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New Leads In Manhunt For Cop Shooter; Massive Storm Kills At Least Six; Can Police Control The Streets?; SAE Wants Due Process; Polls Suggest Netanyahu Trailing Opponent

Aired March 14, 2015 - 12:00   ET

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SERENA WILLIAMS, 19-TIME GRAND SLAM CHAMPION: -- biggest moments and the proudest moments of my career.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Wow, one of the proudest moments so why now. Why did she decide this was the time to end this boycott?

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS: Well, Fred, she was 19 then so she was young and there came a point she can't imagine going back to the place where people were shouting racial insults to her and her father. And for a long time, it was really difficult for her to even imagine going to play there.

But now she's 33 years old and she felt that it was a good time for her and America to step up and say we can be better. We are better. She felt that by stepping out on the court that she would be making a strong statement that no matter what happens to us, or to our families in life, it's not what happens to us, it's how we go through it.

So we can let the whole world know that we're strong, we're not going anywhere, and we're going to continue being the best we can be. So that was her mode of operation. Everything going on with Ferguson and everything we're seeing with Oklahoma, that video --

WHITFIELD: We just had a discussion just 10 minutes ago about, you know, racial chants and the use of derogatory terms, and actions and why it seems that some people kind of are confused about what defines racism.

WIRE: Absolutely, and it was a bold statement and at the right time by the world's number-one female tennis star. It was awesome.

WHITFIELD: That's a nice, complete package, full circle for her journey. Thanks so much, Coy. Appreciate it.

We've got so much more straight ahead in the NEWSROOM, and it all starts right now.

Happening right now in the NEWSROOM, two days after two officers are shot and injured in Ferguson, the suspect is still at large. Police chasing several new leads today as the manhunt continues. Plus -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It looks like an absolute bomb has hit. It is devastating.

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WHITFIELD: And packing winds of 155 miles an hour, Cyclone Pam turning in the South Pacific. So far, at least six people killed and an island nation devastated.

And is it an overblown incident or a cover-up? New questions today about why two Secret Service agents are being investigated after allegations of drunken driving on White House property. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

Hello again, everyone, and thanks so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Police are chasing several new leads in Ferguson, Missouri, for the suspect or suspects who shot two officers. They are also considering increasing the current $10,000 reward.

It's been more than two days since those two officers were shot and wounded at the end of the protests against the Ferguson Police Department. Let's bring in our Stephanie Elam in Ferguson. Stephanie, where does the investigation stand now?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, at this point, Fred, they continue to look for those suspects. They're saying that they don't have anyone in custody, but they're not calling this a cold case. They say the investigators are working around the clock to try to identify who may have been behind the shooting of those two police officers late Wednesday night at the end of that protest.

They also continue to talk to several people within the community, and that $10,000 reward that is out there. They're considering also increasing that to see if they'll get more leads on what exactly transpired and who was behind this heinous activity of targeting these two police officers -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: Now, all of this happening, the police chief has stepped down, the city manager, a judge has resigned, and then there are people calling for the mayor to do the same. How is that influencing the climate there in Ferguson?

ELAM: Right. Well, this all coming on the heels of that Department of Justice report, and looking at some of the racism that they found when investigating the department. Out here last night, even in the driving rain, there were people out here protesting the Ferguson Police Department.

But there was also a small group of people who were out here saying that they were backing not just the police officers but also the mayor. Mayor Knowles here in Ferguson, he spoke to our Sara Sidner, and this is what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Why should they trust you since you were here during all of the madness that has unfolded in the city?

MAYOR JAMES KNOWLES, FERGUSON, MISSOURI: Sure. I can tell you that there are ways to remove me if that's the will of the people. I have stood for office five times over the last decade and won every time. This past time a year ago, less than a year ago now, I was unopposed for office.

SIDNER: So you're not going anywhere is what you're telling us?

KNOWLES: Unless the residents decide to remove me, but right now that's not the indication that I get.

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ELAM: And so right now it sounds like Mayor Knowles is sticking around. He does not plan on going anywhere, as you heard him say, and out here at the police station, everything is calm. But as we know, it's when night falls that we usually see the protesters come out.

But the tone last night, way more calm, way more controlled, a lot more conversations between members of law enforcement and also people out there protesting. It didn't have that anger we have seen in other nights -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right, Stephanie Elam, keep us posted there from Ferguson, Missouri. Appreciate it.

All right, today in the South Pacific, paradise turned into destruction and a state of emergency was declared after deadly cyclones struck the island chain nation of Vanuatu. Tropical Cyclone Pam took direct aim on the capital city of Port Vila, killing at least six and injuring at least 20 others.

The storm is the fourth most powerful ever to make land fall, equivalent of a Category 5 hurricane. Pam had wind gusts up to 200 miles per hour when it hit, tearing houses apart and knocking down trees.

And today Vanuatu's president is in Japan at the United Nations conference, ironically, focused on natural disaster reduction. He asked the world for help.

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PRESIDENT BALDWIN LONSDALA, VANUATU: I'm speaking with you today with a heart that is so heavy. I do not really know what impact Cyclone Pam has left on Vanuatu. We have experienced a form of disaster at one time or another. Today, we appeal for your assistance.

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WHITFIELD: The Australian Red Cross says shelter, food and water are urgently needed on the island and one emergency worker told CNN it looks like a bomb hit Port Vila. Let's talk more about this storm and where it might be heading next, Ivan Cabrera is with us now. There have been some discrepancies, right, or is it a matter of -- I guess equivalent of a Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane? Does it depend on --

IVAN CABRERA, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, so --

WHITFIELD: -- the region or?

CABRERA: It does. Absolutely so they're all called tropical cyclones everyone in the world. That's the technical name. But depending on where you are, if you are in the Atlantic basin, we call them hurricans, if you're in the west pacific, we call it typhoons.

The name doesn't really matter. This was the equivalent, Fredricka, of a Category 5 hurricane, and I must tell you as we zoom in closer here and show you the latest that the death toll remains in the single digits.

I would be very happy, but I would be shocked. I think this has the potential to go into the hundreds if not more. There are going to be villages here that are probably going to have been obliterated by the storm, just because of the structures that they live in.

They just can barely sustain a tropical storm or Category 1 hurricane. Not this. This was a Category 5 storm that rolled through here, the strongest storm to ever hit Vanuatu, the island chain to the north of New Caledonia here.

A 150-mile-an-hour winds that's still the current wind speed at the core of the storm, but it continues to move south and east and weakening here. So the worst is over.

So at this point, it's a matter of getting the help those people are going to be in desperate need of the next several days especially the smaller islands here. So there is New Zealand. We are monitoring this closely here for Oakland.

This is the north island of New Zealand and the next 48 hours we are expecting the storm to arrive at -- in a weakened fashion here, gusty winds, certainly and some heavy rain. But it is not going to be the formidable storm that it was as it passed through Vanuatu.

Again, a historic storm, this is the second strongest storm to make landfall across any part of the world since back in 2015, with of course, Hyan, which was the typhoon that hit the Philippines.

WHITFIELD: Wow, extraordinary, all right, keep us posted on that, and certainly we're hoping for the people there living in those villages that they might be all right.

All right, in an amazing twist to this story, CNN's Bill Weir, host of "THE WONDER LIST" filmed his premier episode in Vanuatu, if you recall. It focused on the area's beauty and the remoteness. But in what now teams to be a premonition, one resident expressed fears about rising waters on the island nation and how much devastation that would cause.

Bill Weir joining me live from New York. That really was prophetic, wasn't it, that people would express their concern about that, and they're not only dealing with high water, but they had to deal with devastating winds, destructive force winds.

BILL WEIR, CNN HOST, "THE WONDER LIST": Yes. I was actually speaking with the prime minister, and he was raising what many low-islandnation leaders do, the extension threats of rising sea levels. But what's so staggering, you get so seduced by the beauty of this place, when the sun is shining. You forget this is a very real possibility.

It's easy to romanticize the simple life off the grid without, you know, concrete structures until the wind starts blowing at 100 miles an hour. But what worries me about all the new friends we made there, as well.

It's one thing surviving those winds, huddling together in a banyan tree. What now? I mean, there is no refrigeration. These are folks who kind of live hand-to-mouth. It's what they can grow, the fish they can catch on a given day.

Add an injury or two to a village, add a swamped-out boat to that equation, and suddenly it becomes a matter of survival as they wait, what may take days and weeks for first responders to arrive to some of these places.

WHITFIELD: My goodness, and so is this -- are these islands flat, are these mountainous islands? Because you -- you know, you think of so many stories of particularly coastal areas or mountainous regions where people talk about knowing the weather, knowing the climate when they live off the land like the people that you met, and they would go to higher ground, stand a better chance of withstanding certain storm systems, but is that the case here?

WEIR: Yes, I mean, every island is different. There are about 83. Some folks live on 60 or so. Some are mountainous. You know, typical volcanic South Pacific islands, and there is high ground for those folks, but what do you do when the wind blows.

Others are on these low atolls just inches above sea level, so they have no high ground to flee to as well. Just imagine. It's one thing riding out a storm using New York as an example, you know, find shelter. Imagine riding out Superstorm Sandy in a tree. That's the amazing reality people like these kids here.

WHITFIELD: Gosh, all right, well, thanks so much for bringing their story and their point of view in your journey. "THE WONDER LIST" airs Sunday nights at 10:00 Eastern Time. And this weekend, tomorrow night, Bill is going to be taking you to Greece.

Still ahead, two officers in Ferguson, Missouri, shot. A manhunt now underway, and calls for the mayor to resign. How can this deeply torn city recover? I'll ask one of the nation's top cops.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: Welcome back. As the search continues in Ferguson for the person or persons who shot and injured two police officers, questions continue to swirl around Ferguson's police force, and how it moves forward.

Missouri State Highway Patrol and St. Louis County Police have now taken over protest security there. So could this be a first sign that an even bigger overhaul is coming to that department in Ferguson? And that Ferguson police are unable to perhaps control the streets around them? CNN's Brian Todd has more.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The police call it an ambush. Two officers shot, almost killed. It followed a night of street fights between protesters following the resignation of Ferguson's police chief from an exasperated St. Louis County police chief, a window no how tough it's been to maintain control.

CHIEF JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY, MISSOURI POLICE: I want everybody here to understand how difficult this is to do it the exact perfect way.

TODD: Last summer, there were many complaints that police were overly militarized, showing too much force during protests. Then they were they were criticized for not doing enough, allowing looting and other violence. Have the police lost the streets of Ferguson?

RON HOSKO, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: The police are trying to find their way. They're trying to find their footing. They're going to be criticized harshly one way or another.

TODD: A Ferguson police official tells CNN they have not lost control of the streets. But some law enforcement experts say their loss of credibility is what got us to this moment.

MALIK AZIZ, NATIONAL BLACK POLICE ASSOCIATION: A failure to engage with the community has cost them the trust that is needed to be productive.

TODD: And that may have come back to haunt the police in the moments after the officers were shot. An official with the St. Louis County Police tells us, at least initially, many potential witnesses were reluctant to give information to investigators.

Ron Hosko is a former FBI assistant director, who has worked with several police departments. He says the mindset for an average police officer on the streets of Ferguson from this moment on is one of survival.

TODD (on camera): How nervous are they and what are they thinking going in?

HOSKO: Policemen are human beings first. So the first thing you're thinking about is how do I come out of this situation tonight intact? You're thinking about the person that the police officers next to you. TODD (voice-over): Is there is a strong trusted figure among police who could bring calm? Captain Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol was a visible presence in Ferguson last summer, walking the streets, trying to tamp down tensions. Will he be called upon again? Officials across the state are silent on that.

(on camera): The challenge for police going forward if there are protests, just how are they going to keep the peace? Some protesters have said in Ferguson and elsewhere, police with Kevlar vests and shields have been too provocative and have come on too strong. Ron Hosko says now more than ever officers have to protect themselves. Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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WHITFIELD: All right, let's talk more about this. Here with me now, Cedric Alexander, the president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. He is also a member of the White House Task Force on 21st Century Policing, which is aimed at strengthening the trust among law enforcement officers and the communities they serve. All right, good to see you.

CEDRIC ALEXANDER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLACK LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVES: Good seeing you again.

WHITFIELD: OK, so we're now at the situation in Ferguson. We've got two police officers, who were shot and injured. What does this say about the climate between some people in the community and the police? This happened during a peaceful protest. Is there more to this?

ALEXANDER: Our hearts and prayers go out to the officers injured. We're glad to know they're released and in the care of their families and we wish for their speedy recovery. It was sad and unfortunate, uncalled for, unjust, and certainly did not help in any regard, particularly those that were there that night who were exercising their first amendment right in a peaceful way. But we cannot allow for that incident to take away from those who are trying to make a statement that is positive.

WHITFIELD: Is that in your view in any way undermine whatever progress may have -- may have occurred there in Ferguson? There are some people who thought they were encouraged by the DOJ report, encouraged by the removal or the stepping down of the police chief there, and does this shooting undermine I guess some momentum of moving forward?

ALEXANDER: Well, I think what the shooting does, quite frankly, is just clearly states that those who were involved, and we hope they're caught very soon. But those who were out there that night, marching peacefully in regards to whatever they believed in, in terms of response of the chief resigning or scathing report that came out, we have no way to validate that in any way.

And I'm in the going to attempt to do that. Here is the most important thing, I think, Fredricka, in all of this. This community has to move forward now. It has to move forward. And I would hope, in light of that incident, that that police department, all the police departments there locally and the community are beginning to talk.

So as they move forward and as the change that we are continuing to see takes place in that community every day, you have to take this as an opportunity to begin to forge and build relationships now.

WHITFIELD: Does this in any way -- is it an indicator that policing is more dangerous for police? I've heard a lot of dialogue from various people who represent law enforcement in various and recent days, many say it's much more dangerous today to police. Is it really? Is there any difference?

ALEXANDER: It is a challenge. It certainly is a challenge today. Policing certainly comes with dangers.

WHITFIELD: Does a danger already exist?

ALEXANDER: It already exists.

WHITFIELD: Police officers are wearing vests. They have guns. They aren't usually the ones who we think are most vulnerable.

ALEXANDER: Well, the point is this. It is a dangerous profession. In light of everything going on in the country today, all of this gets magnified. And the important piece is that we have to take the opportunity now to support our police because the job that they're doing oftentimes and the calls they go to are very unpredictable.

And things can happen very, very quickly, but now is the time to be having those conversations, building those relationships because the mere nature of being in law enforcement, the mere nature of the job itself, you're going to come upon people who are going to be dangerous.

But we have to do more as a police department across this country in making sure we connect with our communities, large and small, and keep that going, because when something does happen, Fredricka, we're in a much better place to have conversation and move through whatever that challenge is together.

WHITFIELD: And quickly, yes or no, should the ferguson Police Department be dismantled, start from anew?

ALEXANDER: What the Ferguson Police Department should be is that community has to make that decision and that community has to look at experience, it has to look at its leadership.

WHITFIELD: Meaning when the community elects its mayor or city manager. Those are the people who actually end up helping to pick and select a police chief --

ALEXANDER: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: Because ordinary citizens don't get the opportunity to do that.

ALEXANDER: They don't but what has to happen is that community has to look at all the evidence that's been placed in front of them, and that community has to make a decision as to who they want for elected officials, appointed officials.

That's not for any of us out here to decide, people who live in that community does because the next whoever is in charge of that community or the city manager, whomever, they're going to be the ones who set the tone for what they hope their police department looked like, what they hope their court system looked like.

They have to -- so that community has an opportunity now to engage itself fully into a process where they have an opportunity to make some choice.

WHITFIELD: All right. Cedric Alexander, thank you so much. I know you're in town for a conference of law enforcement around the region. All the best --

ALEXANDER: Around the country, yes, great conference.

WHITFIELD: Right, around the country. That's what I really meant to say. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. All right, we'll get more on Cyclone Pam right after this.

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WHITFIELD: Tropical Cyclone Pam is the fourth-most powerful ever to make landfall, equivalent to a Category 5 hurricane. Pam had wind gusts up to 200 miles per hour when it hit, tearing down houses and knocking down trees.

Joining me now is storm-chaser, James Reynolds, from Hong Kong. So, boy, this is quite the hit there in Vanuatu. How does this compare to what you have seen hit that region?

JAMES REYNOLDS, STORM CHASER: Well, Fredricka, this was really at the worst-case scenario for Vanuatu. Really what made this storm so bad is not only the fact it was a Category 5, right at the top of the scale of intensity, but the fact that the track it took just passed over one island after another, the most populated islands in this island chain. So really, they couldn't have caught more bad luck in this instance, Fredricka, really very, very devastating situation.

WHITFIELD: My goodness, so our Bill Weir had been to the region and described that folks don't have a lot of options when it means trying to get out of harm's way. What do you envision people did when this storm started hitting landfall?

REYNOLDS: Well, you know, the outer islands of Vanuatu are incredibly basic. The people live in really nothing more than thatched huts, don't have metal roofs. It's like pond fronds so extremely fragile infrastructure.

And really, it's a case of just learning what the information and the safety practices that have been passed down over the generations when cyclones affect these areas. These local communities have to call on that knowledge and experience to really keep themselves safe. So, you know, they can't really rely on outside help from the capital city because these islands are so remote and the infrastructure is so basic.

WHITFIELD: And only in recent years do they even get cell towers. Have you tried to contact anyone there?

REYNOLDS: I -- absolutely. I personally haven't got in touch myself with anyone there. But from what I've seen on social media I've been monitoring Twitter very, very carefully the last 24 hours. I have seen reports coming out of the capital city, Port Vila, but no news out of the outer islands and this is of great concern.

WHITFIELD: It is indeed. All right, James Reynolds, thank you so much from Hong Kong. Appreciate it.

All right, back in this country, is the fraternity that was kicked off the Oklahoma University campus for singing a racist chant about to take legal action. The local chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon has hired big-name attorney who says not now. So what is that attorney going to be asking for? We'll take up this case with our legal guys, right after this.

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WHITFIELD: The letters S-A-E are spelling trouble for at least a second time. That's the national fraternity, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, the fraternity that got itself kicked off campus at Oklahoma University, and two of its members expelled for singing ugly, racist songs.

Now things are getting worse at another campus. The University of Washington-Seattle, a black student group says they were insulted by racial slurs by members of S-A-E.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's when they started shouting and then flipping us off and saying you apes, why are you here? Get out of here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's absolutely unacceptable and something we would never just let slide by.

MICHAEL HICKEY, SAE CHAPTER PRESIDENT: We are ultimately trying to find out the truth of the matter. Every member of my organization is as offended and frustrated by the situation, in my opinion.

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WHITFIELD: All right, let's bring in our legal guys, Avery Friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor in Cleveland, good to see you and Richard Herman, a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joining us from Las Vegas. Good to see you as well.

All right so these two allegations that we're talking about OU and University of Washington, Seattle plaguing this frat. And now S-A-E has hired a big-name attorney. Let's listen.

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STEPHEN JONES, ATTORNEY FOR SAE FRATERNITY: As I said at the beginning, this matter is not one that seeks a legal solution. We seek to invite the university and its leadership, president borne and his designated representatives. And where appropriate, we consider it a good idea to invite representatives of the American Civil Liberties Union in Oklahoma and the Oklahoma City chapters of the NAACP.

We believe that working together, in a positive manner, we can find a solution that is acceptable to everyone to make this a teachable moment and educational moment for what is seriously a flawed incident.

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WHITFIELD: All right, so that's Attorney Stephen Jones, he represented Timothy McVeigh in the Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal Murrah Building and so now he is representing SAE. So what is the objective here? Attorney Jones says this may be an issue of due process denied, particularly in the case of Oklahoma University, Richard, that expulsion happening before due process. Is this a valid direction?

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, Fred, Mr. Jones is a sophisticated, very bright attorney and he knows, like we have talked about before, for about $250, anybody can sue anybody. And here, technically, are there due process violations? Yes, there probably are. Could there be a due process hearing? Yes, there could be.

Do we know the result of that? We know the result of that. Here is the situation, Fred. This timing could not be worse for Sigma Alpha Epsilon with the country reeling from Selma, the anniversary of Selma, from Ferguson, from Garner in New York. Racism is number one on the list these days.

And to have an incident like this at the University of Oklahoma and get magnified to the extent it is, is unbelievable. Now, this is not a local fraternity. It's a national fraternity and I read in the paper today, the national fraternity has disbanded the fraternity at the University of Oklahoma.

So they don't exist anymore. Whether the university does it or not, they're gone. So I looked at their mission statement. I picked out their mission statement. And the mission statement -- the creed this fraternity goes by is we like to be deemed true gentlemen. That's their mission statement. They have utterly failed.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: It doesn't matter what their mission statement is.

HERMAN: It's over. They're going to be ostracized.

WHITFIELD: What about the students though? Because the parents of the students might want to say, wait a minute, should my kids have been expelled on these grounds, and so Avery, if we're talking about due process and this attorney saying they had the right to at least give their side of the story before being expelled.

At the same time, isn't there a code of conduct and expectation of students' behavior on campus? And does the Oklahoma University president, David Borne, have this discretion to say this is -- this violates the code of conduct, and so you're out of here?

FRIEDMAN: Well --

WHITFIELD: Without legal challenge.

FRIEDMAN: Doing legal analysis, not talking about gentlemen. What the legal analysis is here is as an organization, SAE has absolutely no due process rights. They are gone. They are there as a privilege. The individuals, however, Fredricka, and this is very important -- it is a public university.

They are entitled to notice. They are entitled to a hearing. David Borne, who frankly is wonderful, but should know better, should have suspended these students, given them notice about what they did wrong, and had a hearing.

And based on that evidence, he has the right to do the appropriate remedy there. But the violation of rights is not even in question here. These students have a right to a hearing notice, and the summary expulsion was absolutely unconstitutional.

WHITFIELD: Really? OK, so on that note then, Richard. We are talking about a public university and that means that all students should feel comfortable being able to attend, go to this school, but if you have racist chants, that certainly creates, you know, an unsavory atmosphere, uncomfortable atmosphere.

And thereby, the president would have discretion to say this behavior is unacceptable, or on the grounds of first amendment rights, will he be challenged?

HERMAN: You know, Fred, the university is partially federally funded and state funded. There are constitutional protections afforded to the students of this fraternity, but we know the result of that investigation. We have looked at the video.

It's not any great shakes uncovered in this investigation. That's why the attorney is very sophisticated. He's trying everything in his power to try to keep the fraternity alive by entering into some sort of rehabilitative, some sort of approach.

FRIEDMAN: That's not the issue.

WHITFIELD: Who does this benefit -- ultimately?

HERMAN: They will lose.

WHITFIELD: And who would it benefit, ultimately? Because one of the -- the two parents of the other young man, Levi Petit, who also expelled, said he's going to have to live with this the rest of his life. So the damage is done. So how could the reputation of the kids be resurrected or even SAE from an incident like this?

FRIEDMAN: SAE is gone, Fredricka. The reputation of the children is gone. The issue here is due process. Those kids have a right to a hearing. They're supposed to be using a surgical scalpel. If not, you throw away the constitution. The behavior is reprehensible, but we have a process, Fredricka, and when we throw that away, the constitution is nullified.

WHITFIELD: So quickly, does this mean that the parents or even the students will be able to sue the school?

FRIEDMAN: The students -- yes.

HERMAN: They could sue the school, but the attorney is telling us he's not going to sue the school.

FRIEDMAN: He's trying to sell it.

WHITFIELD: It sounds like nothing is definitive. He said he's not really sure which direction we're going to take.

HERMAN: Right. There is still an investigation going on.

FRIEDMAN: It's going to get settled. That's what's going to happen.

WHITFIELD: OK, Richard, Avery, thank you so much. Always appreciate you gentlemen. Even more fun when we're all talking at the same time. But somehow I still understand everything. All right, good to see you guys. Thank you so much. See you next weekend. Much more in the NEWSROOM right after this.

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WHITFIELD: Incredible. All right, Tuesday's election in Israel could be incredible. It could provide a stunning setback for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu even after his controversial trip to Washington. Netanyahu and his party continue to fall behind his main rival.

CNN global affairs correspondent, Elise Labott, has more on his little known opponent.

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ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Just days before the election, Benjamin Netanyahu is on the ropes. The latest poll shows the prime minister running behind a little known mild-mannered politician. Now, the prospect of a major upset at the hands of Isaac Herzog known as "Boojy."

ISAAC HERZOG, CHAIRMAN, ISRAELI LABOR PARTY: There's fatigue. There's a lot of disappointment by -- from Benjamin Netanyahu. I think his era is over.

LABOTT: Focused more on his current job, Netanyahu has been slow to get on the campaign trail but has been quick to blame, pointing to a quote, "worldwide effort to unseat him." Campaign officials say money from around the world, much of it from the U.S., is funding a grass roots get out the vote drive called B15 with one goal, get rid of Bibi.

After six years, Netanyahu's relentless focus on security seems to be falling flat among many Israelis, who want a leader to not only keep them safe, but deal with rising food and housing prices, health care and welfare reform.

DAVID HOROVITZ, TIMES OF ISRAEL: Increasing inequalities, the widening of the gulf between the haves and the have-nots. There he's vulnerable in this election.

LABOTT: Tens of thousands of people filled the square in Tel-Aviv this weekend to drive home that message in an anti-Netanyahu rally. In his final push before Election Day, the prime minister has doubled down on his security platform.

With a major speech to Congress on the threat Israel faces from Iran now featured in a new campaign ad and hedging on his commitment to a peace deal with the Palestinians, leading to a two-state solution. Herzog says Netanyahu has a growing brand warning about growing tensions with the U.S., Israel's closest ally under his leadership.

HERZOG: I think he failed and I'm trying to call his bluff. (END VIDEOTAPE)

LABOTT: While Netanyahu is slipping in the polls, Herzog has remained pretty much consistent. So voters haven't exactly settled on him yet, there are plenty other parties that could do very well on election night and who they support will be the key factor in whether Netanyahu holds on to his job. Elise Labott, CNN, Jerusalem.

WHITFIELD: Also straight ahead, police body cameras have been in the news a lot lately to help with crime fighting. But those cameras can also capture something pretty amazing like this rescue of an 18-month- old girl. The dramatic images, next.

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WHITFIELD: The story of an 18-month-old girl rescued after hanging upside down in a car seat for some 14 hours in a submerged car made national headlines. And now we can see the actual rescue take place, thanks to a police officer's body camera. CNN's Shasta Darlington shows us the dramatic effort to save Baby Lily.

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SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): New body cam video from one of the Spanish Fork officers as he rushes to the overturned car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have you got?

DARLINGTON: You can hear their desperation as they try to flip the car, they soon discovered 25-year-old Lynn Jennifer Grossbeck, dead in the driver seat, but they do find a survivor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello!

DARLINGTON: They pull a tiny body from the wreckage and run up the hill.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She's definitely hypothermic. She is freezing.

DARLINGTON: Patting her back and willing her to live.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, sweetie.

DARLINGTON: They perform baby CPR and rush her to the hospital. The 18-month-old Lily was submerged in the car in the frigid Spanish Fork River in Utah for about 14 hours. She survived hanging upside down in freezing temperatures in the upper 20s with no food or water.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If anything had been different, she might not have made it.

DARLINGTON: Brock Royal was the emergency room are doctor who saw Lily when she was rushed in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course, you can see how pale she is, and how cold and stiff her arm is.

DARLINGTON: Four days later, Baby Lily playing along as her father sings "Old MacDonald" in the hospital, the best reward possible for those who fought so hard to save her.

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DARLINGTON: It gives me goose bumps to hear the urgency in the voices of those rescue workers. It's no wonder she was called the miracle baby. And we have heard from the Spanish Fork Police Department since, and they told us Lily's left the hospital.

They had an opportunity to visit with her with the family and they say she is happy and healthy, and for the time being living with her aunt and uncle. It's an incredible story -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: It is an incredible story, and what a testament to those rescue workers who worked feverishly and tirelessly to get that baby. All right, thanks so much for bringing that update on Baby Lily. Shasta Darlington, appreciate it.

We've got much more in the NEWSROOM right after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A sculptor is someone who with a spark of an idea and the set of materials draws something in space.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The challenge for me is, how to you do you say you'll of that power in the best way to make something in reality?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the best-known sculptors working today shares his thoughts on the state of the art and we have enlisted two prominent voices, an eminent art critic and the director of London's Tate Modern Museum, to select their ones to watch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My first reaction to the need for scale as an artist was to go absolutely nano.

ABRAHAM CRUZVILLEGAS, SCULPTOR: When I work, I try to be playful and not to have prejudices about what is ugly or nice.

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WHITFIELD: Tonight, you get a rare inside look at Britain's royal family. CNN has an exclusive interview with Prince Charles and he talks candidly about his love for his wife, Camilla, and what it's like to live a very public life.

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PRINCE CHARLES: It's a peculiar thing sometimes the camera. But also inevitably, you could be perhaps a bit more relaxed when it's slightly more private or when you're meeting people without being totally surrounded all of the time by the dreaded camera.

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WHITFIELD: The dreaded cameras. Tonight those dreaded cameras go inside to let you see the rest of this rare sit-down interview conducted by our own Max Foster. Don't miss "SPOTLIGHT: CHARLES AND CAMILLA" tonight at 7:30 p.m. Eastern Time.