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[21:00:12] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, public sex, private sex and forbidden sex. A father-daughter relationship is taken to a crazy new
level, the bedroom. A woman battles depression with Twitter with #orgasmquest and a sex part has statues and all, he`s packing in the
crowds.
Let`s get started with our most tweeted story tonight. A teen loses her virginity to her own father and is now planning to marry him and he her.
Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: The teen, who wants to remain anonymous says she grew up with her mother and was estranged from her father.
PINSKY: Shocking story of the night, dominating social media.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: He started contacting her on Facebook when she was 16.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: The first week she went to visit jim, they had sex.
PINSKY: Adults take care of children.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: There`s a reason I lost my virginity to him, because I never felt comfortable with any other man.
PINSKY: She was in trouble and he took advantage of that with his own flesh and blood.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: They are engaged and planning to move to New Jersey where adult incest is legal.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: She claims this relationship is consensual. I`m saying and continue to say and did say absolutely, no way. Take a look at this.
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PINSKY: Forget the psychological principals of it being consensual. By definition, consent from this kid at 16 was impossible.
ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: It is not consensual. It`s statutory rape. That`s what`s going on here. What we have is the worst kind of statutory
rape, because it`s coming from her own father. It`s such a sad story. We don`t know exactly what state they are living in. It won`t change the fact
that she was 16 years old and it is hard to find any state where that`s not going to be a crime. It`s sad to watch this happen. I think that the
problem is, we`re talking about an anonymous - she wants to stay anonymous, right? So it`s hard to go in and actually prosecute these
crimes when you don`t know who it is.
PINSKY: Oh I bet there`s some way you could figure this one out on social media these days. Sam, she actually defends reproducing with this - what
do i call this guy? Animal? This father?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST "POP TRIGGER": Predator. Rapist.
PINSKY: Predator. Rapist. Yes.
And what does she say as to the reason that she defends it?
SCHACHER: OK. So here is what she says. "Everybody thinks that kids born in incestuous relationships will definitely have genetic problems but
that`s not true. That happens when there`s years of inbreeding like with the royal family. Incest has been around as long as humans have.
Everybody just needs to deal with it as long as nobody is getting hurt or getting pressured or forced.
PINSKY: Oh, Vanessa, there we go. Murder has been around as long as incest, too. Let`s just have to deal with it everybody. Good times.
VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: The problem here is that this man is a child predator. He stalked her online. He took her virginity. He groomed
her. He had her in his house. He made her his victim. If he wasn`t her father, these would be charges that this man would have to face. The
simple fact that this is her father, I don`t understand why he`s not in jail.
I think this is the only time where I believe journalists sometimes need to tell who their sources are, sometimes need to tell who they are
interviewing. I`m a journalist. I know that goes completely against what we stand for. But if this journalist knows who he spoke to, he needs to
report it to the police. This is a crime.
PINSKY: Well, AnneElise, Vanessa raises a good point here which is when somebody is in imminently in harm`s way, don`t they have some
obligation? Shouldn`t law enforcement be involved here?
GOETZ: Law enforcement may need to be involved. But it`s going to be difficult to get that journalist to actually give up the name. What I
think is interesting here is she`s chose to remain anonymous. Right? She said that her friends don`t know. Her family - aside from her father, her
family doesn`t know.
And so but I think she`s actually doing a cry for help here. Right? Because she`s talking to a magazine. She hasn`t talked to anyone else.
She has been talking to the echo chamber of her father who of couse is saying, "this isn`t weird. This is fine. Don`t worry about it."
PINSKY: yes.
GOETZ: And she made the choice to actually find a journalist and tell her story to the world. I think she`s crowd sourcing for what to do next.
That is to leave.
PINSKY: Listen, Samantha, so many people these days are looking for validation of their sort of theoretical perspective. I talked to somebody
today who worked in law enforcement and was saying he was talking to prostitutes who were being severely exploited who were defending it
because they got to buy their Prada purses. Because who were you say "man, you got to get used to it." This has been around for a long time, too.
SCHACHER: Right. Yes. Here is the thing with this girl, Dr. Drew. First of all, there are other people that know about this. It`s a shame. Her
grandparents from his side. They should be stepping in. OK. They are adults. Also her best friend. I`m sure she`s around the same age. I
don`t blame her best friend.
[21:04:50] This woman who is his ex-girlfriend, the father`s ex-girlfriend who is living with them, she should step in. But Dr. Drew, this whole GSA
thing too is - I`m sorry, I researched it today. GSA for all of you out there who don`t know what it is, it stands for genetic sexual attraction,
there`s very little research out there that even supports it. I think it`s a crutch for people like him to make it - make him - allow him to do
whatever the hell he wants.
PINSKY: I have someone on the phone who has some experience with this. Her name is Barbara Gonyo. She`s the author of the e-book "I`m his Mother
but he is not My Son." Now Barbara, you had given up your son for adoption when you were just 16. But then you became reunited with him 26
years later. Tell us what happened then.
BARBARA GONYO, WAS ATTRACTED TO SON: Well, I was the head of an organization called True Seekers in Adoption, which was reuniting adoptees
and birth parents. So I was quite familiar with people meeting before I met him. It took me a while to find him. I didn`t even understand that I
would even have feelings like this. I never knew anything about it.
I went to a conference one time for adoptees and reunited people. One of the girls in the - was talking in one of the forums. She said that she had
met her brother and she said, "I can`t get over how I feel about my brother." She says, "I want to hop on a motorcycle behind him" and she
says, "I`m actually attracted to him." She said, "it`s like a genetic sexual attraction."
And that`s where the term came from. Even though I`m always credited with starting it, I didn`t. But I thought, well that`s really strange. But
then as I got to know my son, I found myself having these feelings for him. I thought, why am I feeling that way about him? He`s my son. But he was
never allowed to be my son. He was somebody else`s son. And he looked exactly like his birth father.
It was very confusing feelings for me. I didn`t know what to do with those feelings. I tried to discuss it with him, but he was never
interested in discussing it. He was ashamed to talk about it. So I don`t know if he ever really had the feelings himself or I was carrying them by
myself.
PINSKY: Barbara, what - how did you react when you read this particular article we have been discussing this evening?
GONYO: Well, for one thing, she`s only 18. She`s looking for her daddy. She`s going about it the wrong way. Because she`s got conflicting
feelings because she`s not his little girl but she is his little girl.
PINSKY: And Barbara, don`t you hold him accountable for violating rather than holding boundaries with this girl who has all these conflicted
feelings so she can work through with them on her own?
GONYO: Yes, I certainly do. I certainly think that it`s up to him to stop it.
PINSKY: Yes, exact.
Sam, last question, real quick. (INAUDIBLE).
SCHACHER: A comment quickly. I think there`s a big difference between - I think it`s weird between two siblings but two 30-year-old siblings and then
an adult and a 16-year-old girl.
PINSKY: Yes, I agree. I agree.
And then Barbara, I think she stated it very nicely. She is the one credited -- she said it herself a minute ago with developing this term,
she sort of did, genetic sexual attraction.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Next we will hear from a woman who herself was in a relationship with her father.
And later, a public park designed to get people talking, talking about sex. That`s right. Back after this.
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JULIE, HAD INTIMATE AFFAIR WITH FATHER: My father and I reunited last year. We had a great reunion and it was very emotional. One of the key
things that happened was we realized how much time had gone by. There was a lot of grief. I constantly wanted to talk to him. I wanted to be in his
presence. I wanted to hold his hand.
PINSKY: Is there a sexual component to it now?
JULIE: Oh, there wasn`t at first.
PINSKY: But then there was?
JULIE: Well, exactly.
There`s no way for that relationship to ever be equal. There`s never going to be equality in a partnership. There`s always going to be an imbalance
of power. And the fathers need to be accountable.
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PINSKY: So that tape you`re looking at there was Julie, the early, in- person interview was her four years ago talking openly about having had a sexual relationship with her own father. The phone interview that
followed was more recently after she has had some therapy and she sees this quite differently.
Now a similar story we are talking about tonight, a woman who was only 18 when she lost her virginity to her own father. She was interviewed by "New
York" magazine. She was asked if the daddy-daughter dynamic ever comes up in their sex life. Here is how she responds in this audio re-enactment.
Listen.
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UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Not usually. But it has come up a couple of times when one of us blurts out baby girl or daddy or something. Last time it
happened we both sit up and stopped what we were doing. It caught us off guard.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Now in this same article she described the first night they were together sexually. Another re-enactment follows. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: That night we were play wrestling in the room I was going to sleep in and I bit him. He was wearing a pair of basketball
shorts and a tank top. After I bit him, I could see goose bumped pop up from his toes to his shoulders. Then he punched my inner thigh. And I got
goosebumps.
We stopped and said that we didn`t know what was going on but admitted that we had strong feelings for each other. We have discussed whether it was
wrong and then we kissed. Then we made out. And then we made love for the first time. That was when I lost my virginity.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: And then I vomited. Excuse me. It chokes me up. I`m sorry but it`s just so sick. Now Judy, in the article she says she has guess what?
Abandonment issues and that she has dealt with chronic depression. What do you make of it?
JUDY HO, Ph.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I think that it`s all of the ingredients were ripe for someone to take advantage of her. It`s really
sad that the father knowing that these were some of her issues did what he did. You know, I heard that Julie said when she kind of went to therapy
and decided to talk about this again that there is no equality in a relationship like this. That`s absolutely true.
When somebody has abandonment issues, Dr. Drew - and especially it`s actually very linked to the father abandoning her. Because he was out of
her life for so long.
PINSKY: Right. That`s right.
HO: This is not even a projection on to another object, right. She is trying to fulfill that right through is her father.
PINSKY: Right. He is actually the object of the abandoning fantasy that is now in front of her. What is that child supposed to do with that? She
lives in that intense fantasy that she`s attached to. This predator walks into her life. Leeann, you`re nodding your head.
LEEANN TWEEDEN, RADIO HOST: Yes, Dr. Drew. It`s funny. I`m going to do my own re-enactment here. This is what stuck out to me. She goes, "we
discussed it before we had sex. I told him I was saving myself for someone who I would be committed to for the rest of my life. It was important to
make it clear that if I made love to him, he was in a relationship with me." It`s like she was latching on. It`s like if I`m going to give up my
virginity to you, you have to be mine. I mean, come one, there`s all kinds of craziness going on in that.
[21:15:02] PINSKY: Her intensity, Erica, is something already - it`s adolescent. Let`s face it. It`s adolescent, Erica and it`s adolescent
that had childhood abandonment issue. A lot of people have that, the intensity is out of control. But then to have an adult co-sign that and
take advantage of it and have that person to have been her father, it`s sort of biblically - I mean, it`s some sort of, you know, on the scale of
myth that somebody does something like that.
AMERICA: Well, Dr. Drew, that`s exactly what I was going to say. This is all signs of dysfunction, so choreographically perfect that I find this
story story perhaps to not be true, Dr. Drew. Did that cross your mind at all?
PINSKY: Never.
AMERICA: Really?
PINSKY: There`s too many horrible people I come in contact with in my life. When I hear something like this and by the way, we talked to Julie
and I talked to Barbara, they have all had experiences like this. I know it happens.
AMERICA: OK. All right. No, no. I mean I think it`s horrible. I think she might have had abuse to begin with. Her mother was ill. She had her
abandoned father. And then this father comes along and takes advantage of her. I think they definitely need to scrutinize, when did this happen?
When did the first sexual activity happen? So that they can make it a legal issue. Because this can`t just go on and they can live happily ever
after.
PINSKY: But Erica, you did - you raise this point at a time in which articles are coming out in "Rolling Stones" - you know, "Rolling Stones"
magazine of questionable veracity. And so an appropriate thing to question, is this for real, are we getting sucked into something? After
all there`s no confirmation of who these people are and whatnot. But I think the point is, Erica, these things do happen.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Dr. Drew -
AMERICA: I think they happen. What I`m saying is she`s so positive right now. But it`s interesting, because you mentioned that earlier with the
other girl. In the beginning, you said she was very, "oh, it was great and we hold hands." And then you said a couple of years later she was very
upset. We haven`t seen that yet with her. So that`s what I`m scared for.
PINSKY: Trust me, of course that "House of Cards" Judy said is coming and it always come. There`s always a "House of Cards" that fall -
TWEEDEN: Is there any way that law enforcement can go to whoever this guy that did the interview was and then demand to know who this girl was so
they can go arrest the father?
PINSKY: I asked that of AnneElise and Vanessa and everyone sort of unclear that they could ever extract this information. But I will tell you what,
Judy. We as clinicians, when somebody is imminently going to harm themselves or somebody else, there are procedures for us to go through to
alert the potential victims. Why doesn`t journalism have something like that?
HO: That`s right. I really wish they did. Because for us, we can actually take an active step right away. Now we have a nation who knows
about this story, wants to track this couple down. We can`t do anything about it. That`s really, really stressful.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: All right. Here is my thought. I just got a couple of quick thoughts which is these things happen. People are remarkably defensive.
People that are even the victims are remarkably defensive about the situation they`re in. It`s when they change their perspective by coming
outside of these - moving away from these boundaries of situations that they realize how problematic they are.
I`m not saying that it`s only because of moving out of it that they become problematic, it is exploitive, it is boundaryless, it has a profound
effect on emotional development. As I have said over and over again, big people take care of little people.
Adults, people in authority, doctors, teachers, we are there to hold boundaries. If somebody needs to act out against those boundaries, our job
is to hold those boundaries and to get them the help they need to heel and feel whole and regulate as an autonomous adult. Otherwise, we are deeming
them - dooming them to disregulation and stunted development their entire life.
We have lots of people out there who have been through various kinds of trauma, when they hit adulthood, they minimize the trauma, they move away
from the trauma and it`s the gift that keeps on giving. It keeps operating there but outside of their consciousness and causing tremendous chaos in
their life and relationships.
PINSKY: Next, how one woman is dealing with depression. She`s masturbating. She`s here to tell us about it with #orgasmquest.
And later, a Cannabis face spray that women are supposed to love because it claims to enhance their sex lives. Back, after this.
[21:20:01]
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: This woman says antidepressant medications are killing her solo sex life. So she`s documenting her mission to get her
orgasm back with #orgasmquest. Is she over sharing or revealing the real struggles of living with depression?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: It is time for TMI. Are we sharing too much about our private lives on twitter and other social media outlets? That woman had coined the
#orgasmquest. She`s fighting her depression by masturbating. She joined us. Pretty interesting. Take a look.
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CRISTA ANNE: I`m not using this in the place of medication. I`m using this to supplement the medication I`m on. The antidepressant I`m on right
now (INAUDIBLE) is working wonderfully for me in every other respect. I just can`t come. I enjoy life for the first time in my 32 years.
PINSKY: And Crista, let me just slow you down a little bit. Amitryptyline is actually an old fashion - what we used to call tricyclic antidepressant.
So obviously, you are on - you are working with a physician and you`re trying lots of things. I heard you say you came out of the womb
depressed. One of the things again, I think you want to raise awareness about mental illness and reduce stigma.
So let me just sort of break this down a little bit. When somebody is chronically sad, like you say, out of the womb depressed and sad. Not just
can`t eat, can`t sleep, feel worthless and can`t function but sad, we call that dysthymia. It`s a little different than major depression or chronic
depression. Have you ever received that label, dysthymia?
CRISTA ANNE: I have not.
PINSKY: OK. So you think you have like chronic recurrent depression, is that right?
CRISTA ANNE: Yes.
PINSKY: These are different things. In terms of how you figure the sexuality piece of your story figures into this, what is the point you are
trying to make?
[21:25:03] CRISTA ANNE: The point I`m trying to make is that I am - life -- masturbation is my life pack. It alleviates some of my depressive
episodes. It reconnects me with the pleasurable, positive aspects of life. It`s a tool in dealing with my stress, dealing with my panic. Before I
went on this medication, I could orgasm in two or three minutes. It`s not like I was disappearing for 25 or 30 minutes to take care of business. It
was something where I could go in the bathroom, nobody knew.
I have reconnected with a pleasurable centerpiece. I was able to go on with my day without having to take rescue medications. I take my regular
antidepressant every day. I`m also prescribed rescue Klonopin for panic attacks.
PINSKY: OK.
CRISTA ANNE: Those make me groggy and those make me a less effective parent.
PINSKY: Right.
CRISTA ANNE: I want my orgasm back. I want my life pack back. Beyond that, I want to start conversations about the loss of orgasms with
antidepressants or with any - with plenty of other medications.
HO: I totally support the woman`s right to give herself an orgasm. This is not a knock on that. What I`m saying is there`s a lot of misinformation
about what that kind of thing actually does. There`s not a lasting affect of oxytocin. You are not actually changing your brain chemistry for the
better, in the long-run. There are actually other effective ways of treating depression like cognitive behavioral therapy if you don`t want to
go the route of medication, you don`t like its side effects.
PINSKY: OK. Leeann.
TWEEDEN: You know, Dr. Drew, I`m all for people doing whatever in their relationships and whatever to themselves. I think what I have a problem is
that she has young children in her household. She`s doing this in public. There are just some things, Dr. Drew, that don`t need to be public.
PINSKY: You mean talking about it publicly?
TWEEDEN: Yes.
PINSKY: I see.
TWEEDEN: Talking about it publicly. Why do we need to consume this part of her personal life? I mean I know she was in - she was in the sex trade
or whatever before. This is a personal thing she`s going through. When I heard her in the last segment she said, I take medication now. It`s the
greatest thing. I feel alive. I like living for the first time and that she has orgasms to make herself feel better when she has depressive
episodes or whatever. But if you`re on medication that makes you feel good, why are you depressed if you have the medication to combat that?
PINSKY: OK. Hold on, I will get her back in a minute. I want to hear from Erica first.
AMERICA: Yes, I mean I think it`s good she`s bringing to light this issue all together, because yes, with antidepressants and other mental health
drugs as well as other drugs that all together there are sexual side effects that I think a lot of times people are too shy to talk to their
doctor about. This needs to become an open thing, an open dialogue, absolutely.
With her - like Judy was saying her tactic of using the masturbation as this tool, what`s coming up in my mind, Dr. Drew, is could this be an
obsessive thing? Could this be a way of kind of getting around, dealing with what`s really - checking out, exactly.
PINSKY: OK. So there`s lots of different things raised for those of us that work in this field. So Crista Anne, let`s bring you back in here.
A couple things. Let me - I have three or four myself. One is, good job addressing taboos and empowering female sexuality, that kind of thing. You
are clearly making some progress there. My question is, are you working with a physician? Are you following doctor`s orders? Or are you treating
yourself?
CRISTA ANNE: No, I`m following doctor`s orders to the letter.
PINSKY: OK. And Judy brought up the issue of cognitive behavioral therapy or other psychotherapeutic interventions. Are you getting anything beside
the self stimulation and pills?
CRISTA ANNE: No, I also see a therapist.
PINSKY: OK. So Judy, she`s got a team around her, which we would all again applaud that. And then - gosh, this brings up so many issues. Why
don`t you comment on what my team has said so far, Crista Anne.
CRISTA ANNE: As far as over sharing, the conversations that have come out of this are beautiful. If you don`t want to read this, then don`t read it.
I`m not forcing it upon anyone. You might - my site is there. The hash tag is there. If you don`t like it, don`t read it. That`s fine. It`s not
for everybody. I`m not for everybody. That`s OK.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Do you think about your children?
PINSKY: Right. How about Leeann`s concerns about your children reading this later?
CRISTA ANNE: My children will be age appropriately aware of what I do as they grow up.
[21:30:18] I was raised in what I would call sex positive way. I was age appropriately aware that my parents had sex. My children are going to be
age appropriately aware of sex as it comes up.
PINSKY: You don`t think - but you don`t think there`s going to be a little cringe factor for these - your kids? I mean, you just worry that they`re
going to be a little - but then again, my kids have to deal with the fact that I discuss this stuff on television, Judy. So--.
JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. Exactly.
CRISTA ANNE: No, there definitely may be a cringe factor and the -- we will deal with that as it comes up. Like we will have an open dialogue and
we`ll find out.
PINSKY: Next, a new body spray claims to enhance a woman`s sex life. It has cannabis in it. That`s right. It`s a weed spray.
And later, a sex park with larger than life statues in suggestive poses, so suggestive we can`t even show them to you. Back, after this.
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PINSKY: More TMI and a warning. This is an adult topic. We are dealing with graphic, sexual details. A new cannabis - a new pot-infused sex spray
for women is being touted by its creator as so-called "female Viagra." Take a look.
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SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST "POP TRIGGER": Maybe you can - you can prescribe me some of this sex spray. Why not? So let me tell you about it.
PINSKY: So there`s a Green Cross across the street here - I`m sure it`d be easy to get.
SCHACHER: OK. It is called Phoria and according to the creator`s web site, the product is made of pharmaceutical-grade cannabis and coconut oil.
It should be sprayed on to the clitoris, inner and outer labia, and inside the vagina. It reportedly does not get a woman high. There`s no
psychoactive elements here, but rather promise a more -
PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. Stop, stop. What do you mean no psychoactive elements?
SCHACHER: That`s exactly what it says. It doesn`t get you high. There`s no psychoactive elements. So perhaps it`s just the CBD, OK? It`s not -
it`s not the THC.
PINSKY: You can`t get pure CBD yet. Now, but the website for this sex spray has a PG commercial. It - you guys, maybe you want to play it so we
can look at it. A small bottle sells for $44. Large one is $88. This is the commercial for this thing that`s going to give you special effects.
SCHACHER: Well, it`s just saying, Dr. Drew, that it`s going to heighten your orgasm. OK? So it`s saying that it`s just going to make it more
powerful and according to their studies, 100 percent of the participants said that they had a better orgasm.
PINSKY: OK. Spirit, you buying it?
SPIRIT: And rather than people trying to get their female genitalia high because - I`m just not buying some of this. It`s not THC. It`s this, it`s
that. Take that money. Get a good - use that towards a co-pay and go deal with the psychological issues that are preventing you from having the kind
of sexual activities and the sexual excitement that you - that you want to have. Stop using sprays and pills and just go deal with the issue
(INAUDIBLE).
PINSKY: Emily, what do you think? I--. Well, hang on, Sam.
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I agree. I think that you`re--. I totally agree. You`re overlooking something that actually could be a
medical issue here, right? There could be something actually wrong with you and spraying something that you don`t know what the side effects are -
there could be side effects you can absorb through your vagina. It`s true, right, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Well, yes. Absolutely. That`s what I figured this was something that was just getting you high through absorption through the vagina, much
like people absorb alcohol through - believe it or not, people do enemas and all kinds of crazy stuff with alcohol. And--.
SCHACHER: Soak tampons with alcohol, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Right. That - well, this is that same kind of phenomenon, I assumed, and my fear was one of the big problems with the legalization that
Colorado`s had to deal with - and they have dealt with it - was the edibles having too high a concentration of Cannabis and people were having
psychotic episodes and jumping out of buildings--.
SCHACHER: OK. You guys are reading way too into this. First of all, there is no psychoactive element, according to their claims. OK?
PINSKY: But how could that be?
SCHACHER: It is CBD.
PINSKY: How could that be? No, no, no.
SCHACHER: From what I`ve read, it is CBD and it`s not THC.
PINSKY: It`s - but, Sam, I know for sure you can`t get pure CBD. So it`s mostly CBD, is that true?
SCHACHER: Mostly CBD. Second of all, OK. So that`s the case. It`s mostly CBD. Second of all, I agree with the fact that if they`re - if
you`re somehow using a - using it as a crutch to fix your relationship or if you have some medical issues, then yes, you should perhaps book an
appointment with you, Dr. Drew, or with you, Spirit. However, there are a lot of--
PINSKY: Don`t leave Emily out.
SCHACHER: --of women out there - and Emily. However, there are a lot of women out there who are satisfied with their sex life but they`re also
looking to spice it up, maybe they`ve been in a long-term relationship--
PINSKY: No, no. That`s right.
SCHACHER: --maybe they`re--
SPIRIT: Be careful. Be careful.
SCHACHER: --partner has a higher sex drive. Just saying. Come on, you guys.
PINSKY: No, no. Sam, I get what you`re saying--.
SPIRIT: (INAUDIBLE) marijuana and fertility and all of the problems that go along with it.
SCHACHER: Of course, be careful.
SPIRIT: There are so many things that you don`t know about this. And so you have people going, "Ooh, I want to have a stronger orgasm. Sure. I`ll
pay $80 for a spray." Give me a break. The only person that`s getting high is the people that are getting rich off of this thing. No way.
PINSKY: And according to the website, in California, you need a - you need a physician`s - a statement and recommendation to purchase the spray. So,
Sam, we can talk about that later.
SCHACHER: That`s why I said, "Write me a prescription". But Dr. Drew, I just want to point something out `cause men have over two dozen FDA-
approved drugs to help them in this department. Women have--
PINSKY: No, no. Not this department.
SCHACHER: --women (INAUDIBLE) not FDA-approved.
PINSKY: This is not - not only that--.
SCHACHER: I`m not saying this is. My point is what do women have though, Dr. Drew, out there?
PINSKY: They have - they have testosterone. You can testosterone replacement. You can get estrogen and progesterone replacements when your
levels are off. This is very much - Sam, you`re asking a question, I think, that`s very much to the point. We don`t pay enough attention to the
subtle changes that occur across time, across the lifespan in a woman`s hormonal - or hormonal biological environment. And I`m telling you, it`s
vitally important for people to maintain exactly the kinds of connection we`re talking about here with their intimate partner. Do talk to your
doctor. But (INAUDIBLE), I get your point. I get it. Maybe someone is healthy and young and they just want to experiment. I mean, people do
abuse things. They do experiment with things if they want to try it. But, like Emily and Spirit are saying, "Don`t treat yourself." You don`t treat
yourself for something if you`re actually having problems.
The fact is for men, we have one thing. We have something that suppresses the breakdown of nitric oxide. That`s what all these medicines do that
treat men. They suppress the breakdown of nitric oxide when it`s released from a nerve and that thereby increases the nitric oxide concentration so
there`s an increased blood supply into the male genitalia and you get a reaction as a result. But it doesn`t affect libido. It doesn`t affect all
these other - it doesn`t affect arousal and orgasms and all this other things.
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I`m concerned that this - like Emily was saying - may be getting absorbed and that`s something that we`ll see with time. We`ll keep an eye on this
one. I - again, I`m (INAUDIBLE) on it. I just say, my biggest concern is people treating themselves without really knowing what they`re treating.
Next, sex in the park. Well, some countries are not afraid to address a very private matter in public.
And check us out on our Facebook for links to these stories and others.
We`re right back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you visit a theme park all about sex? Taiwan wants to lure tourists with a garden full of erotic sculptures. Leaders
think 100,000 square feet of sexy statues will make money and make talking about sex less taboo.
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PINSKY: Welcome back to our special on sex and sexuality.
A sexually-based theme park is being proposed in Taiwan. It is tonight`s WTF segment - the most shocking story of the night dominating Twitter and
Facebook.
Take a look.
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PINSKY: I believe there are at least two more parks already in existence, right?
SCHACHER: Yes. Ok. So this one is just an idea. But you`re right. There is a similar themed sex park in South Korea as well as in Norway.
And as far as this Taiwan sex park, Dr. Drew, it`ll be just one part of a much bigger, larger attraction that also includes a "dating paradise",
whatever that is, and vendors to help plan your wedding. Now, as we just heard, the park will include erotic art and statues to help educate young
couples as well as try to create conversation with more experienced couples.
PINSKY: Sam, there`s a tweet next to your head there. It says, "Isn`t that just Vegas?" In the U.S., we have one of those. It`s Las Vegas.
Heather, what do you think about this?
HEATHER MCDONALD, COMIC: I think it`s kind of fun. I mean, providing kids can`t wander into it after their middle school classes, I think it`s kind
of great. Like, how fun? You look in and kind of walk in nature and see all this stuff and then there`s a hotel and--. As long as it`s strictly
for adults, I think it`s kind of cool and good for them.
MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: I don`t know. Really? We need a statue park with a bunch of body parts (INAUDIBLE)?
MCDONALD: I think as long as it`s like private and you have to be of a certain age to enter and you really can`t get into it. Otherwise--
PINSKY: What do you mean "into it"? What do you mean "into it"? What are you referring to?
MCDONALD: --I think it would be - like "enter it". Like I don`t think - I wouldn`t want--.
PINSKY: It shouldn`t be - it shouldn`t be in a - it shouldn`t be an anatomy lesson as we were saying/
MCDONALD: Yes. I don`t think that kids should be able to go and climb on top of it and see it. But if it`s all strictly for adults and it`s off by
itself like any other - like sexual resort like a hedonism weekend or something, then I think it`s fine. Like, it can be--.
PINSKY: All right. So, Mark, I get it. Heather goes down to Jamaica for a couple of - once a year for those hedonism conferences.
SCHACHER: Yes.
MCDONALD: No, I have - I don`t. I don`t want to go.
EIGLARSH: Good for her. Good for her.
MCDONALD: But I think why not for other people.
PINSKY: Mark?
EIGLARSH: Drew, Drew, if they built one here in Miami, I would help promote it pro bono.
SCHACHER: What?
EIGLARSH: I think sex is wonderful. And for those prudes out there who are so concerned that going to a place like this may make people tingly and
that it will increase their sexual appetite, that`s wonderful. Studies show it decreases people`s risks of heart attacks. It makes them sleep
better. Tension and stress goes down. It helps people`s immune system. Oh, and by the way, it feels so good.
SCHACHER: Oh, wow. Thanks, Mark.
PINSKY: I`m getting creeped out by so much tonight, I can`t even tell you. But the - but I certainly prefer the statues to the hedonism meetings that
Heather advocates because--
MCDONALD: I`m not (INAUDIBLE). I`m just--.
PINSKY: --because you`re not going to get STDs from these statues. Right? Maybe we could educate about that.
MCDONALD: No, exactly. But I`m saying - I`m just saying - I`m just saying, as long as it`s adults only then I think - I think it`s kind of a
cool, different thing.
PINSKY: Wait `til your kid - wait `til your sons are 18. You may feel differently about it.
MCDONALD: Well, I`m just saying you can get a nice walk and some fresh air while getting a little horny.
SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh.
PINSKY: Samantha?
SCHACHER: I don`t know--.
MCDONALD: At least, (INAUDIBLE) dark closed room.
SCHACHER: OK. I like the idea that it`s sex positive. I do and that they`ll provide education to people who may--
PINSKY: And they offer childcare and a play area - areas for minors.
SCHACHER: What?
MCDONALD: No, they don`t.
SCHACHER: That`s weird, if they offer childcare. Leave your kids at home. Please.
EIGLARSH: Oh, stop it.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, I don`t know. When I was reading the reports on this, apparently, they want to have a bunch of penis statues. I don`t need
to see any more penises. I`d rather go to Disneyland. I mean, there`s enough sexual innuendos at Disney anyways.
PINSKY: I - again, I found - I found my--.
MCDONALD: Well, you don`t want to get measles though. Here you might just get--
SCHACHER: That`s true.
MCDONALD: --here you might just get crabs but there, you could get measles.
PINSKY: I have found myself speechless more than a couple of times tonight. It`s all I`m saying.
Mark, please help me take this home. I understand it`s sex positive. You`re good for it. I understand. But--
SCHACHER: Good for it (INAUDIBLE).
PINSKY: I`m just saying, in the day of pornography and all this stuff raining down on us, we really need statue parks for this?
EIGLARSH: Yes. If somehow, people will go to it, it`ll help support jobs and it makes people tingly and in love, it`s all good.
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PINSKY: Next, sex sent them to the slammer. See how passion put some people in prison. Back after this.
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STEPHANIE PELZNER: It was the weirdest display of affection.
NIKOLAS HARBAR: --threatening her. I`m yelling at her, brandishing the assault pistol at her.
NARRATOR: As this Valentine`s Day role-play rolls on, Nick has no idea that Portland police now believe there`s a real kidnapping in progress.
HARBAR: I decided to take her around to all the little roadside stands to buy her a special Valentine`s Day gifts.
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HARBAR: Happy Valentine`s Day.
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PELZNER: I felt terrified that somebody was going to see me.
NARRATOR: Sure enough, a witness calls in the crime.
SGT. WILLIE HALLIBURTON: The eyewitnesses saw a naked lady in the back of a car, bound, (INAUDIBLE).
PELZNER: I was overwhelmed with the amount of adrenaline that was pumping through me. And I was so taken by how sweet and romantic this all was.
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PINSKY: Oh, sweet indeed. We`re talking sex in public, sex in private, forbidden sex. Some couples now are getting caught having sex where they
certainly shouldn`t be. That`s the premise of a new show called, "Sex Sent Me to the Slammer", and it has got us saying, "Seriously?"
Take a look.
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SIAN-PIERRE REGIS, HLN CORRESPONDENT: What is happening, Dr. Drew, here?
PINSKY: You tell me.
REGIS: This is the most ridiculous show I have ever seen in my life. And the fact that that woman thought anything was sexy about being dragged
around in the back of a car tied up and having somebody throw chocolates on her, I just don`t even understand. Like, where do these people live?
PINSKY: I think it`s a good YouTube video maybe? Maybe, Sian-Pierre, no, no? Maybe not?
REGIS: It`s not on my channel.
PINSKY: Judy, I think people want to understand if people that don`t engage in these behaviors, what - why this high adrenaline surge is so
enhancing to her. In my experience, there are two conditions where people need a lot of stimulation. One is a history of opiate addiction. I`m not
saying this is an opiate act. I don`t know. And two is history of trauma. These - both these things affect the brain`s arousal system.
HO: Absolutely. And the arousal system is key here, Dr. Drew. So in the idea about addiction, this is a type of addiction. What these people do
when they get sexually excited, what we all do, really, is that the pleasure systems are stimulated. Your motivation, your reward systems are
stimulated. And the more you do it, the more it kind of builds up that tolerance. You need more and more intense things to get that same kind of
high in your brain and to activate that dopamine that makes you feel so good.
PINSKY: And, again, that`s activating the reward system or the medial forebrain bundle. My brain is not too good in showing that area but it`s a
- it`s a part of the brain that sets the motivation for everything else. It`s a part of the brain that says, "Do that again."
So Vanessa, have you ever had to do that again out in public?
VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: Oh, oh. So you`re just going to go there.
PINSKY: What are we talking about?
BARNETT: I am all up for a little kink, a little fun, a little enjoyment and I don`t agree with you, Dr. Drew. I don`t think this is opiate, I
don`t think this is a trauma. I think all people can relate to the fact that when it`s a little bit dangerous or adventurous, it`s a little more
exciting. Now, what I don`t like is that they`ve involved other people in the community and now I`ve got to call the cops because you look like
you`re being abducted, but I applaud the effort.
PINSKY: But Vanessa, that`s because it`s not just - but, Vanessa, it`s because it`s not just a little bit more arousing, a little bit more
naughty. It`s because they`re going to extremes.
BARNETT: Look, what they do in their bedroom is none of my business. But (INAUDIBLE).
HO: Vanessa, it was in their car.
BARNETT: Now, they`ve taken it outside of the room and now, I`m involved, which I don`t want to be.
HO: Yes. Vanessa, I know that a little stimulation is good for everyone. But enough to go to jail? Is that what you`re willing to put on the line?
BARNETT: How long do I have to stay in jail?
REGIS: I have never - I have - I - for me, sex has just has never been good enough to want to go to jail. Maybe I`m just not having the right
kind of sex--
BARNETT: You`re not having the right sex.
HO: Not even for an hour.
REGIS: --but I`m not trying to go to jail for it.
PINSKY: I think Vanessa is contemplating what might happen in jail.
BARNETT: I`m just saying, if I only have to spend a few hours in jail, maybe it`s worth it. A day, I can`t do.
PINSKY: Sian-Pierre, your opinion? Do you think all this pornography that`s pouring down on young people these days contributes to this sort of
thing?
REGIS: Absolutely. I was thinking about this earlier. I mean, there are only so many categories to go through on porn hub and I think once you`ve
gone through all of them, then you try and figure out how to make it even more extreme. I mean, some of these people are having sex jumping out of a
plane, Dr. Drew. Jumping out of a plane. Like who has that fantasy? That is far beyond anything I`ve ever seen online.
HO: A lot of people, apparently. And people--. I`m sorry. Go ahead.
PINSKY: Yes. Well, I`ll tell you what, Sian-Pierre. I want to introduce you to one Vanessa Barnett, if you`d like to meet her. She seems to have
these standards and--. But at least in the air, they`re in the privacy of their own airspace. I`m just saying.
Let me - let me--. I`ll put a (INAUDIBLE). Oh, this is a re-enactment of a situation where they were spotted by people nearby. This is that same
television program and they thought this guy was raping her and the - those guys ended up going to jail.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How can we top this experience? We`re on this rooftop with all these hundreds of windows around us.
NARRATOR: Witnesses in other buildings are horrified at the sight of what they think is a woman being assaulted.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think something terrible`s happening.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re on this rooftop and it`s just electric up there. And--.
POLICE OFFICER: Police! Stand up!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa, whoa! Whoa! Slow down, man. Come on, man.
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REGIS: Those people who were having sex on a rooftop? They might as well go on to YouTube five minutes later and tag themselves in the video that
has been uploaded millions of times.
PINSKY: Well, Sian-Pierre, I hear you`re adding another layer to this. It`s not just the arousal about the sexual satisfaction. It`s also the
fame-seeking behaviors, right?
REGIS: It`s absolute exhibitionism to me. I mean, to go--.
PINSKY: Erica, I get the - what about that, Erica?
ERICA: I don`t agree. No, absolutely. I hear that too. There`s absolutely that sex tape, YouTube, the YouTube stars. I mean, there is
just - I mean, just on my radio station the other day, we were talking about there`s these YouTube stars that have millions and millions of fans
and they`re just normal people. They don`t even have talent. They`re not singers or anything.
PINSKY: Sian-Pierre, that`s an attack. That`s an attack on you. I hear it. She`s attacking you.
ERICA: Oh, sorry.
BARNETT: Not everybody that has sex outside wants to be caught and wants to be Kim Kardashian and wants to be famous on Instagram. Not everybody
does it for the Gram. Some people do it because of their personal pleasure-seeking level and this is fun for them. And not everybody that
does it is trying to show everybody. They just kind of want it to be a mysterious maybe someone will see. Not everyone`s looking to get into the
slammer.
REGIS: But, Vanessa, girl, Vanessa, when you go on to a rooftop and there are offices all around and you are getting down and dirty, trust me, girl.
All of these people want to get seen.
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PINSKY: And there we are.
Please DVR us then you can watch us anytime. Thanks for joining us. We`ll see you next time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the midst of a promising dance career, Tracy Jo Shine suddenly
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