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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, doctors who have crossed the line. Physicians allegedly drugging patients, having sex with them and disguising
these crimes as some sort of treatment.
Plus cars smashing, acid throwing women who had it with misbehaving men. Let`s get started with WTF. An hour of the most shocking stories of the
night - stories dominating social media.
First up, a gynecologist in Cincinnati is stripped of his medical license for physically - this is what he did. He instructed and showed his female
patients where their G spot is and then had sex with them and then more. Have a look.
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UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Dr. Froenich, an OB/GYN had his license revoked after admitting to inappropriate sexual contact with two different patients.
UNIDENTIFED MALE: They were absolutely lapses in judgement. Yes.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Both patients who were his employees asked him if he could show them how to find their G spot. He initially showed them on a
diagram. Then he went further and physically showed them. These encounters eventually led to sex in the hospital.
UNIDENTIFED MALE: They were a direct insult offense to my wife and family.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: And that`s not all. Back in 2013, he was convicted of assault after groping a female employee.
UNIDENTIFED MALE: I still desperately want to be a doctor.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "You`re Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell," Wendy Walsh, clinical psychologist,
author of "30-Day Love Detox" and Karamo Brown, social worker. So for an OB/Gyn to physically - there`s so many layers to this. I don`t know where
to start.
The fact is, I heard these were employees and patients. That`s already a dual relationship not OK. Then going to their bodies and shows them
something as intimate as this is ridiculous. Loni he says he shouldn`t lose his license. What do you think?
LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, Dr. Drew, I have to tell you I`m a little conflicted on this story.
PINSKY: Loni.
COOMBS: I know. I know.
PINSKY: Put both of us up there. Loni, I got to talk to you.
COOMBS: Go ahead.
PINSKY: How can you be physically conflicted? I mean, let me give you an out. If he`s a sex addict, alcoholic or drug addict behaving badly and he
wants to regain his ability to practice medicine, two years of treatment without practicing, maybe then. What about that?
COOMBS: Well, yes. Here is the thing. They took his license away forever. I mean it`s permanently gone. It wasn`t a year suspension or a
two-year suspension. That`s my concern. I think he definitely needed to be suspended, but the length of time.
I tell you, I think the assault against the girl - the young girl, the sexual assault where he got a criminal conviction, that`s below - that`s
crossing the line clearly. But these two incidents with the G spot, I guess I have a few questions about it, Dr. Drew. I mean if a woman wants
to know where the G spot is, I get shown them on a diagram. But if they want more explanation, who are they supposed to go to?
COOMBS: They go to the gynecologist, they go to their physician. But Wendy, back me up on this, you are not going to stimulate the spot. You
are not going to become explicit with it. You might instruct a patient how to do it on their own at home perhaps. But you are not going do it -
you`re certainly not going to have sex with your patients.
WENDY WALSH, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I mean, he could certainly have used some kind of gentle probe to just sort of point it out and then
not stimulate it. Because once they are stimulated, then they are not making clear decisions, right? They are aroused at this point. Of course,
they want to have sex with him if he initiated.
PINSKY: Now, Wendy, stop it. No, no.
WALSH: Dr. Drew. I have something else to say.
PINSKY: What?
WALSH: One time I had a breast reduction surgery when I was like 25. When I came out, the doctor touched my nipples and said, is there enough
sensitivity there? Because he wanted to make sure the nerves were reattached.
PINSKY: That`s a surgical maneuver.
WALSH: No, he said are there enough - tell me if you got sensitivity. So why wouldn`t - I mean, you go to your doctor for these things. I mean,
yes, he shouldn`t have had sex with them. That`s for sure.
PINSKY: Thank you. Loni, one more comment. Karamo (INAUDIBLE) eventually. Hold on. What`s that, Loni?
COOMBS: I agree, he shouldn`t have had sex with them either. I`m not condoning that in any way. However, it appears - I`m not certain. It
appears that at some point that was somewhat consensual. Because it doesn`t sound like the victims complained about it.
PINSKY: OK, listen. Loni.
COOMBS: I know. I know he`s a doctor. I know he`s a doctor and he`s violating his position of authority. I agree with that. However -
PINSKY: And their employer also (INAUDIBLE).
COOMBS: I agree. I say, go to a female gynecologist if you want to know where your G spot is.
PINSKY: Thank you.
Karamo, how about that. And what about these dual relationships, where there are patients and employers and describing highly intimate sexual
details and the whole thing is without boundary. That`s the problem.
KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: It is without boundary. But immediate I thought, these women have been watching too much "Gray`s anatomy." They
work for this doctor and they want a little steamy moment under the covers and so we`re thinking like, we`re blaming this guy. What about these women
who dealt here and said, you know what? "After you give me the G spot, I want you to have sex with me?" Come on. They have to take some fault for
this as well.
PINSKY: OK. I`m taking my mike off. I`m walking out. I`m officially leaving the show.
[21:05:02] BROWN: No.
PINSKY: I`m being punked. That`s what`s happened. I`m being punked by my guests.
COOMBS: No.
PINSKY: It`s official. Or you guys smoked crack before you got here. Something happened.
WALSH: I agree he committed some crime. Also the G spot thing, it makes sense. If I wanted to know where my G spot is, I would ask my doctor. And
I`d say, no, no, touch it, I want to make sure it`s there.
BROWN: Yes.
PINSKY: I`m being punked. It`s official.
Let`s review some of - Loni stay with me on the facts here. Here is some of - he says, he was mourning the death of his mother-in-law, that he was
on a new diet, losing weight. That raises his testosterone levels. He was just diagnosed with prostate cancer. I don`t know, Loni, you know, maybe I
can get a dual relationship going with Wendy. I have prostate cancer. I (INAUDIBLE) exercise a little more. She said she needs a doctor - she
loses her mind if somebody touches her apparently. I mean, this is not OK for this - this is our job to maintain the boundaries.
COOMBS: That`s right. I agree it`s not OK. In fact, all of the excuses I don`t like any of those excuses. I wouldn`t care about any of those when
you come to judging this behavior. But I think what you said about the boundaries is key here. Because it starts with that these were friends.
He says "look, we had a very friendly relationship. I worked with these women for years before they became my patients."
Right there, you are getting into a situation where then it`s so much easier to slip beyond the doctor-patient relationship.
PINSKY: That`s right. That`s why you don`t when you are a physician. You really go to great lengths not to maintain what`s called dual
relationships. We do it - physicians do it. We might write somebody, a friend a prescription once in a while. But to really say that`s my patient
and my employee. That`s a problem.
In 2013 - hold on. One of his employees accused him of groping her. When she resisted, he fired her. Karamo, does that get you at least?
BROWN: Well, that does get me. Obviously.
PINSKY: Thank you.
BROWN: That`s sexual harassment. But I`m going with the two women that we are talking about that did he have sex with. I`m not letting these women
off the hook. Come on, you said, let`s show me my G spot and let`s have sex. You have to take some fault in this. I do not think his license
should be gone forever, maybe two years suspension and therapy.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Again, these are employees and friends of his. It`s not like they are just patients.
BROWN: Exactly.
COOMBS: They asked for him to be their doctor. I mean that right there shows you they were - they were like, you are going to look at me down
there. I don`t have a problem with that. We will work with each other.
WALSH: And Dr. Drew, do you think this is the first time a doctor slept with his receptionist?
PINSKY: No, I don`t. But you know, it`s an interesting point. Wendy, the real reason he got himself into trouble was this issue of them having dual
relationship. With them being the employer and the patient - once a patient, always a patient. That takes precedent over everything else.
The fact that an employee says "I want to be your patient suggests to the doctor - a well-trained doctor that that person, my employee, has a bad
boundary." I have to maintain that boundary and refer her to somebody else. We have just scratched the surface. This doctor did even more,
maybe my guests, whose brains have been invaded by something, I can bring them around with all that. We will talk more about.
And later, an angry girlfriend pours acid on her boyfriend`s lap so-called, because he posted a sex tape of both of them. He doesn`t know how it got
there, online. Back after this.
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DR. KURST FROEHLICH: They were lapses in judgment. They were a direct and offense to my wife and my family. I still desperately want to be a doctor.
I think - you can look online. I have pretty good reviews from my patients. It`s not without blame and it`s not without wrong. I just don`t
feel like it was worth losing my license.
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PINSKY: Back with Loni, Wendy and Karamo. We are talking about a OB/Gyn whose license was removed permanently after physically showing two of his
patients/employees where their G spot was and then having sex with them. So Wendy, he is having sex in the hospital. He is sexually assaulting
staff and then firing them when they don`t respond. Married, two kids. What do we call this guy?
WALSH: A cheater.
PINSKY: Yes, this is little more than a cheater, right? I mean, this is somebody who has such severe consequences -
WALSH: He has lack of impulse control. He is unable to sort of think about the consequences.
PINSKY: Right.
WALSH: Of his actions. He obviously puts himself - he has different morals and ethics in different compartmentalizes his behavior.
PINSKY: Right. Yes.
WALSH: But more than anything, I think he just used really, really bad judgement. What happened is it`s a slippery slope. As soon as you start
to loosen those boundaries with employees who are also friends.
PINSKY: Yes.
WALSH: then it`s like, what`s the difference? Could it be just an affair with the other carpool mom down the street? I know her about the same,
right?
PINSKY: That`s right.
WALSH: This is different because it`s in a professional environment.
PINSKY: Loni, should jump all over this. Wendy and I agree, it`s a slippery slope.
COOMBS: Well, absolutely. And I think he really showed a huge step down that slope when he assaulted this girl who was a temporary employee, a
young woman. There was no consent here. She wasn`t asking for anything. She wasn`t asking for a G spot. He called her into the office. They`re
having a conversation. He starts groping her breast and shoves his hands down her pants. She immediately goes to the police.
Before that, she tries to stop him. He goes "I don`t think you should work here anymore." She goes to the police. She goes to the hospital. It`s
clearly no consent there whatsoever. He crossed a line. There`s no way for him to even justify this in any way that there was something going on
here. I think that`s more than just a lapse in judgment. That`s clearly a sign of something much more serious.
PINSKY: Right. That`s a sexual assault. Karamo, he also seems to have difficulty being empathetic. I mean he says these patients/employees
wanted him to do this. He interpreted it as some sort of foreplay. I think it really - if he`s not addicted to something else, it`s sex.
BROWN: You are right about that. He was thinking with the little head and not the big head. This was causing all of his actions to be perverted and
to do things that he knew better than not to do. I mean, before, in the last segment I think what we were just saying is not to take the women off
the hook for this. But you are right, he does have a responsibility. He took an oath to be ethically responsible and not to cross the boundaries.
So there`s a lot wrong with how he is reacting and what he did.
[21:15:06] PINSKY: Wendy, there`s more evidence here. Back in 2011, he was sued after he put one of his patient on a diet consisting of 500
calories a day and giving this patient - I don`t know if it`s man or woman, HCG. And listen -
WALSH: A post-partum patient?
PINSKY: No. This was a diet that was around a couple of years ago where they were injecting HCG which is a placenta hormone and putting people on
dramatic calorie-restricted diet. It was a fad. He wasn`t the only guy doing it. But it does suggest his judgment is not that great. There`s the
HCG on the screen.
Now this particular patient ended up dying 18 days later. I don`t know of what. He has been on that diet himself and says this is part of what`s
increasing his sex drive. HCG can do that. It certainly can. This is not an approved therapy at this point.
WALSH: OK. HCG aside, I got a medical question for you. I need a guy doctor to answer this. So we know that men are really visually wired,
right? We know that they have an automatic sexual response, that`s called an erection, sometimes to visual stimuli. Is it hard for male
gynecologists to look at you know what all day long?
PINSKY: No. Like breast surgeons or anything else, they`re doing their job. There`s a certain amount of professional detachment that you must
have in order do your job properly. If he were actually or if anyone were actually getting aroused, that now is stepping down that slippery slope you
mentioned and boundaries are getting violated at that point. That`s no longer a patient, that is an object for sexual stimulation and trust me,
that goes away almost immediately in training.
All right. Guys, next up, a doctor - another doctor accused of getting his patients addicted so, once again, sex gets involved. He can exchange
drugs for sex.
And later, a wife is in trouble. Cops says she mashed up her husband`s car after he cheated on her. Who is right? Which side are you on? We`re back
after this.
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UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: He should be put away, definitely, for a while and reflect on what he`s done to everybody.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: This Pennsylvania physician is accused of getting a dozen of his female patients hooked on prescription pain killers then
sexually assaulting them. Police call it leverage, sex in exchange for refills. Dr, Jay Cho, dubbed the "Candy Doctor" by authorities was
allegedly doling out the meds from his office for as long as five years. Among the charges, rape and indecent assault.
Meantime, according to this young woman, females weren`t his only prey. She says the Dr. Cho gave her father opiates for years until one day he
overdosed and died.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: When he would get too doped up, he would start screaming in the house. We would have to take him to the hospital because
they would have to pump his stomach.
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PINSKY: Welcome back. We`re doing an entire hour on WTF, the most shocking stories of the night dominating social media. That man, Dr. Jay
Cho, 71 years old, he is listed on several websites as a rehabilitation physician. He then calls himself - or patients call him a pain management
doctor, caveat (INAUDIBLE) everybody.
Joining us, Samantha Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com, Kelvin Washington, radio host and Emily Roberts, psychotherapist.
Sam, what is it precisely he became charged with?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST "POP TRIGGER": First of all, he`s a disgusting doctor. OK. He`s not a rehabilitating doctor. OK. let`s just call him
that, let`s call him what he is. He is currently being held on $375,000 bond, Dr. Drew. The charges include rape, aggravated indecent assault,
drug delivery by a practitioner, possession of a controlled substance, harassment and police are strongly urging anybody out there that has any
information or have experienced something similar to please come forward.
PINSKY: Apparently, Kelvin, he also - the employees around this guy complained that he slapped them on the butt, used unwanted sexual language.
One of them alleged - a patient now - that he went - she went to his home where he drugged her, caused her to pass out for five hours. She says it
took her three days to recover. When she went to the hospital - this is awesome - she`s out for several hours, takes her days to recover. She goes
to the hospital because she`s so out of it. Three broken ribs, head injury and genital herpes.
KELVIN WASHINGTON, RADIO HOST: Yes. You know, I`m having flashbacks. I`m concerned - is this Bill Cosby`s friend? What is going on here?
PINSKY: Too soon. Too soon.
WASHINGTON: I`m just tired of hearing about men, drugs, women. This is getting too common. It`s really disturbing. I don`t know at what point -
not revictimizing the victims but however, we can`t continue to go back to someone who has done you wrong, continue drugging you. You know
something`s wrong with this. Why are we returning to this doctor?
PINSKY: Help me.
WASHINGTON: Help me understand this.
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOANALYST: If he was your primary care physician, right, or he was the one giving you the pills that you were addicted to and
you need it, there`s no - of course, there`s a reason they`re going back. They need them. They don`t have really anything else to do here and a lot
- no one else - no other physician would actually prescribe this stuff. They`re addicted.
WASHINGTON: Right. But at some point, I`m looking out for the victims and the fact that you have to at some point take control of your own life.
SCHACHER: But Kelvin, this doctor was specifically targeting these very vulnerable patients who already had a history of opiate addiction or
alcoholics. He was looking for that so he could use his own ability of being a drug dealer and he could use it as leverage for sex. This guy is a
pig.
[21:25:06] PINSKY: Let me challenge Emily with something. I`m going to do - just play devil`s advocate for a second. What if these were severely
traumatized patients who had severe ritualized sexual abuse, they are opiate addicted and they misinterpreted what this poor caring doctor was
trying to do for them?
ROBERTS: I have a feeling most of them were what you just described, actually. They probably were misconstruing all these information, which is
why they continued to go back. A lot of the women were probably - if you were able to tolerate that amount of medication, there`s got to be
something going on the back end, number one and number two -
PINSKY: Emily, I want to explain. But, Sam -
SCHACHER: What do you mean by misinterpreting? Please clarify.
PINSKY: Right. I was making the case that maybe this didn`t happen to them. Emily is saying that it`s precisely that person that gets stuck with
these kinds of victimizers.
SCHACHER: Got it.
ROBERTS: They`re the good victim. That`s what sucks is they`re trusting this guy who is supposed to be a doctor when he`s really a predator over
here. They are trusting him. Then they`re getting rape and they`re getting taken advantage of. Oh my gosh, they are taking way, way, way too
much of this medication.
Terrible. It`s absolutely terrible.
WASHINGTON: I don`t disagree --
ROBERTS: Allegedly.
WASHINGTON: So what allegedly was done is terrible. Let`s put a period, exclamation point next to that. That`s a fact this doctor has done some
horrendous things. I`m just saying, when you realize, I woke up with broken ribs, I woke up, maybe things have gone on in my woman region,
something isn`t right, why do we keep going back? We have to get help.
PINSKY: Two things. That`s the case Emily is making, which is I`m an opiate addict and I will do what I can do to get opiates perhaps. That`s
one of the reasons. And the other is the more sophisticated thing, is that when somebody has been severely traumatize traumatized in childhood, they
do something called a traumatic re-enactment. They are attracted to and by people and circumstances that end up doing the same thing over and over
again to them. They go through it. They are traumatized and I`ll never do it again. They do it again.
It`s a weird quirk of the human brain that when we are traumatized as children, it`s like a living memory. Like the memories in our body. We`re
acting the memory all the time, even though we have no explicit memory or screen memory of it, our very presence - our experience in the moment is a
memory of what had happened. It`s re-enacted over again. This guy`s first victim said he sexually assaulted her in his office, then harassed her over
the phone. So there`s a lot going on here.
Police say when she left the examination room, he gave her a prescription for Adderall, oxycodone and venlafaxine - the Adderall and oxydocone is,
you know, that`s a m massively - those are two heavy duty medications. This man allegedly then told police that his behavior with the first
victim was, in fact - get this, Emily, -- unethical and unprofessional but certainly not criminal.
ROBERTS: Gosh.
It`s psychological rape. He is literally raping these victims physically and emotionally. He is taking these women who are so victimized at some
capacity and using leverage because he can write the script to make them do whatever he want. It`s so disgusting. It`s not just unethical. It`s
against the law.
PINSKY: Maybe they got it wrong, everybody. And the website -
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: He is listed as a top 10 doctor based on patient reviews at that site.
SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh. Dr. Drew, he probably hired a company to write those reviews.
PINSKY: Are you - does that happen? I don`t understand. How is that possible?
SCHACHER: Yes and Dr. Drew, let me clarify, the police report, they did investigate, none of these patients knew each other. So what? They all
somehow telephathically told the same experience? No, I`m sorry, this guy is allegedly a rapist. The allegedly part doesn`t seem very valid.
PINSKY: There`s a lot of evidence sort of percolating around, isn`t there? Listen, you got to be very careful with pain management. It`s a nefarious
world. I don`t know if you saw that reviewer, that came up on that site. The one person said his staff are very immature, they`re not helpful.
All he is interested in is prescribing pills. This is not true pain management. Stay away. Emily, you and I know that is exactly the point,
that real pain management is multi-disciplinary, it`s about getting people off the meds. It`s about staying engaged with people, maintaining
boundaries like we were talking about in the first part of this show. This is hard work as opposed to pulling out a prescription pad and sexually
harassing is not on the list of appropriate treatments.
ROBERTS: Not at all. You have a treatment team, you have other people in the area that are going to be helping you with pain management. It`s not
just up to this doctor. It`s up to a couple other people in this profession to make it worth. So if the doctor doesn`t do that for you, get
out of the office.
PINSKY: OK. Yes. So, let me just say, please, people, one thing we know for sure is opiates long term are problematic. They make pain worse
typically. So most legitimate pain specialists are working to get you off opiates and to find the multiplicity of other interventions that are
available to help you with your pain.
There`s a part of the brain called insula cortex, down in here, that`s responsible for the misery associated with pain.
[21:30:04] The part of your brain you where you experience pain, up in here, the somatic piece, up here. That part may not be as active as the
misery piece. The misery part of pain is what is going -
[21:30:00] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: --cortex, down in here, that`s responsible for the misery associated with pain. The part of your brain
where you experience pain up in here, the somatic piece up here, that part may not be as active as the misery piece. The misery part of pain is what
is going off like a - like a roman candle when people have chronic pain. That is the piece that needs to be able - that true, true specialists in
this area learn and it requires a multiplist interventionist to calm that region of the brain down. Sometimes, it`s a medication, minimally.
Sometimes, it`s a neurobiofeedback, neuromodulation, interpersonal therapies, group therapies. Again, not just pulling out a prescription pad
and refilling large amounts of dangerous combinations of medication.
Next up, an angry wife arrested after -- and allegedly smashing up her husband`s car. He`s suspected of cheating on her so there she goes. She
goes off, allegedly.
And later, a furious girlfriend makes sure her boyfriend can never ever have sex again after their sex video - that`s again, of the two of them, he
posted it online or we don`t know if he posted it but it ended up online and she wasn`t very happy about it.
Back after this.
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[21:35:18](BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
NARRATOR: Convinced that her husband was cheating, this woman grabbed a pistol from his car, held it over her head, and pulled the trigger. When
the unloaded gun wouldn`t fire, she turned her fury on his car, knocking out the windows and both taillights. After broken glass cut her hand, she
switched to a hammer and bashed the car into police arrived.
Officers still don`t know whether her suspicions about a mistress are true.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Back with Sam, Kelvin, and Emily.
This allegedly scorned woman seeks revenge, bashing her car, allegedly her husband`s car, until her hands bled. And we don`t know for sure if she was
cheating but if she was psychotic and just becoming aggressive.
But if he was cheating, Sam, I don`t want to think - oh, that`s why Mark doesn`t have a car, Sam, right? Because if you (INAUDIBLE) shooting--.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST, "POP TRIGGER": First of all, my husband has a car, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: I`m sorry. I`m sorry.
SCHACHER: He`s not riding around L.A. on a bicycle. Second of all, listen, if my husband were to ever cheat on me, I would hope to God that I
would act composed and classy and--.
PINSKY: Oh, please. Oh, come on. Come on!
SCHACHER: But I - hold on. But - you didn`t let me finish. But I actually don`t think that in the moment, that I would be able to be
composed. I think that I would go ballistic. I think that I might attack his car. Is it wrong? Yes. Is it illegal? Of course. Should you
destroy someone`s property? No. Should you have a gun? Absolutely not. Don`t have a gun near me. Please.
PINSKY: Right.
SCHACHER: But I feel - I kind of feel like this lady should have a free pass if she does not have a history of, let`s say, domestic violence or any
other things that were deemed against the law.
PINSKY: Kelvin, I don`t know. I - my thing is if Sam`s husband were caught cheating, I wouldn`t want to be around Sam--
KELVIN WASHINGTON, RADIO HOST: No.
SCHACHER: Well, thanks.
PINSKY: --with or without a weapon. I certainly wouldn`t want him around it. And I love the way women act out on the car too, Kelvin. I mean, they
say the car is some sort of surrogate for the man`s (INAUDIBLE). I don`t know what that is.
WASHINGTON: That is the body. They want to take it out on him but they know that they can`t. This is a gangster relationship. Why did he have a
- why was there a gun in the car already, from the beginning? So clearly, this relationship - this couple, they do a lot of gangster things that she
took it out on that car. Thankfully, it wasn`t him. Thankfully, we`ve heard a lot of stories about the man region being taken advantage of from
women when their men have cheated. So this has been--. She was a little crazy but to Sam`s point, maybe a little crazy is granted to a woman who
thought her man was cheating, right? Just so - like, I mean, this much.
PINSKY: And it`s funny that we`re all sort of willing to sort of - not forgive her so much as excuse this and understand it. But Emily, I`m
looking at the kind of random violence that she`s acting here and just so much drama in what she was doing. I wonder if she wasn`t psychotic or
manic or so - oh, my God, there`s a gun too she was using. Do you have any suspicion? It just seems like - I don`t know. The usual cheating - the
cheated-upon wife`s punishment to a car doesn`t look like that.
EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: It`s revenge. I mean, it`s revenge.
PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE) look like that. I don`t know what it`s supposed to look like but that seems a little more than average.
ROBERTS: Yet, at the same time, I don`t know what she was going through. If she was having some very intense emotions here, I`ve got to be honest
with you - he`s very lucky that she didn`t walk into that house and use that gun in another way. I`ve got to give it - her a little bit of credit
for keeping her composure a little bit in that regard. Think about it.
PINSKY: Kelvin. Hang on a second. Emily, just hang on a second.
WASHINGTON: That was not - that was not keeping her composure.
PINSKY: And Kelvin, I don`t know about you, but there`s something called a Cremasteric response - and look that up if you want to know what I`m
talking about. I`m having that experience right now. Both the female panelists on this panel are just excusing murderer - murder, murder and
rage if you were caught cheating.
SCHACHER: No.
ROBERTS: Well--.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew--. Doctor--.
PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE). Good thing she didn`t show up when he had a gun. (INAUDIBLE). She would`ve used it. What are you going to do?
WASHINGTON: That`s what--
SCHACHER: Excuse me.
WASHINGTON: --that`s what it sounded like, Emily.
SCHACHER: OK. First of all, can I--.
ROBERTS: But, wait, wait. But what is it - what happens when a guy does this? Right? What happens when a guy or when a girl--
WASHINGTON: We talk about it every day.
ROBERTS: --excuse me - a male finds out? Right?
SCHACHER: OK. I would excuse a man too if a man found out that his chick was cheating and--.
WASHINGTON: No, you wouldn`t.
SCHACHER: Yes, I - excuse me, Kelvin. Yes, I would. I would totally give him a free pass. If he walked in and saw his woman cheating on him and
then she ran out and started - or he ran out and started, I don`t know, taking a baseball bat to her convertible beetle, I totally.
WASHINGTON: No, he would be crazy, Sam.
PINSKY: He wouldn`t do that.
ROBERTS: I (INAUDIBLE) so it`s not right. It`s not right. It`s not right.
WASHINGTON: Violent. He`s crazy.
ROBERTS: But it`s - it`s not right.
PINSKY: Hold on. One at a time.
SCHACHER: Can I just finish my thought?
PINSKY: Please.
SCHACHER: It is not right. I don`t want people to think that Sam Schacher is this crazy chick that`s going to go beat up on people`s vehicles if they
cheat on her. That`s not my point. Of course, it`s wrong. I would hope I wouldn`t do that, but I understand that this woman may have had a moment,
maybe temporary insanity. Could that work for her? If she doesn`t have a history, Dr. Drew, we give her a free pass.
PINSKY: There is such a thing. Emily, there is such a thing and that`s why - that`s why the courts--
ROBERTS: There is.
PINSKY: --sort of allow crimes of passion. But still, this was a continued assault on his poor car.
[21:40:05] WASHINGTON: She went from the gun to the - to the - to the hammer.
PINSKY: Yes, yes. Emily?
ROBERTS: And at the same time, she had a bunch of intense emotions happen at that time. We don`t know exactly what was going on in her brain. I
mean, you find out that your husband - and we don`t know how long they were together - but they were together. You found out that your whole life has
been crushed and it`s really difficult to make your emotions work with you in that moment. Oftentimes, they take over. So it`s not to say that she
was having a manic episode or anything of that nature, she might have just been really pissed off.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, what would you do? Would you be composed like, "Oh, happiness is the best revenge", boopberoo? Come on.
WASHINGTON: Doopadoop?
PINSKY: I`ll tell you where I was - you were - you were convincing me which is the "walking in" phenomenon. If you see something sort of so
shocking, that`s when I understand that people could lose their heads.
WASHINGTON: She didn`t see that though.
PINSKY: I understand. But, just the sake of conversation.
SCHACHER: You don`t know what she saw.
WASHINGTON: Well, I`m only going with the story. We don`t know, at least, what you saw.
SCHACHER: Exactly, you don`t know.
PINSKY: The husband did - told police--
WASHINGTON: Look, Sam--.
PINSKY: --he did not want to press charges. They charged her with criminal domestic violence anyway. I think, Kelvin, this guy was feeling
kind of guilty that`s why he didn`t want her to be charged.
WASHINGTON: Well, of course. I mean, you can`t - not to mention, all of his friends would laugh at him. Typically, men can`t press charges or cry
about these things because it`s not the "manly" thing. But he has to sleep with one eye open. Like this is him going to bed at night, like he has to
sleep with one eye open.
ROBERTS: But they can - wait a second. But the thing is if he was doing this - if he was doing this and this was something that he was being abused
or he was being hurt by his wife, he should absolutely make the call. She should absolutely have to have that because it goes both ways whether it`s
male-female, female-male.
PINSKY: And this is the bottom line, everybody - hang on, Kelvin - which is that you don`t want to wait `til things get to this point. Reach for
help way sooner. If your relationship is unraveling, if your contemplating cheating, that`s a symptom that something is wrong. If you`re a serial
cheater and have sex addiction, that`s something wrong. If you`re using substances and finding out you`re cheating or you`re destroying your
relationships or there is even the beginning of something that you could think of as something that might go to domestic violence, you get help
then.
Later, as we always say, later is when the legal system gets involved and then it`s - then it`s on the system. Then it`s - then you`ve lost your
opportunity. It`s much harder to get things back when they unravel to this point.
We do a lot of romanticizing in our culture. A lot of movies are about extreme behaviors. We don`t want things to get to that point.
Next up, retaliation over online sex video leads to another attack, this time with acid directly to a man`s genitalia.
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[21:45:01](BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
NARRATOR: A 25-year-old man says he`ll never be able to use his penis again after his 17-year-old girlfriend allegedly threw battery acid on it.
She reportedly became irate after learning he had secretly videotaped the couple having se then allegedly posted the x-rated video online.
While he admits he recorded their sex romp, he insists he has no idea how the video landed online.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Back with Sam, Karamo, and Ashlan Gorse Cousteau, journalist and activist.
We`ve got a bunch of WTF stories we`re covering tonight. Our next one has generated more than 400 comments on our Facebook page.
According to the South African Press Association, the young man was attacked by his 17-year-old girlfriend in a tavern. She reportedly learned
of the sex video when a classmate showed it to her and she admits, "I lost my mind."
Karamo, so, she loses her mind. She doesn`t beat up the car. She takes battery acid - and I`ll tell you how that - she got her hands on that - and
then just throws it on the guy`s penis.
KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: Good for her. That`s what I say. This guy is a disgusting pedophile. He is 25-years-old. She`s 17-years-old. Of
course, she doesn`t have the mental capacity to - first of all - have sex with this man. Then to process that he videotaped her. Good for her! I
mean, of course, it`s wrong to throw acid on anyone`s private area but--.
PINSKY: Slow down, Karamo. We want to make sure we got that. It is not OK to throw acid on people`s--
BROWN: It`s not.
PINSKY: --face or genitalia? You don`t recommend that?
BROWN: No. I don`t recommend that. My - when I say, "Good for her", it`s because I think it`s just disgusting to see that this man had sex with her.
To hear that she found out in school that she was videotaped by her 25- year-old boyfriend, it just disgusts me.
PINSKY: Karamo, Karamo. Stay with me here. You - we don`t know the age of - I agree with you. See, a 17-year-old should not be having sex with a
25-year-old - but we don`t know the age of consent down there. I don`t know that. Maybe control room can tell me what that is while we`re going
here, number one. Number two, we don`t know that this guy put the video up online, right? I mean, it`s one of his screwball friends might have done
it. Who knows? Secretly taping somebody, yes. Inexcusable if indeed that`s what happened. She claims that. But there - we`re condemning this
guy to a life of really urinating out of a plastic catheter. Does he deserve that? I don`t know. Did he?
BROWN: You do the crime. (INAUDIBLE).
PINSKY: Ashlan, what do you think?
ASHLAN GORSE COUSTEAU, JOURNALIST: Well, we do talk about castration here when we talk about pedophiles. And you`re right - we don`t know the age of
underage sex there. But keep this in mind. At 17-year-old, this girl - if she was here in the States - would be in high school. At 25, he would`ve
already graduated college.
PINSKY: Oh, listen. I don`t think it`s OK. It happens a lot but it makes me sick but it`s not OK. Yes.
COUSTEAU: It`s so gross. And I don`t - I`m not saying that she should have done this but she - he deserved something. Maybe it`s just a swift
kick in the balls. I don`t know. But--.
PINSKY: Or just - Sam, get back to his car. Sam maybe would be his car up.
SCHACHER: OK. Yes. That`s what I draw the line. Fine. Destroying his car, maybe a nice kick in the balls. But pouring acid on--.
[21:50:03]
PINSKY: A nice kick in the balls.
SCHACHER: A good kick in the balls. But pouring acid on his penis? You guys, really? What he did was egregious, obviously, and he should be - get
in trouble for that. He ruined her life. That will be on the web for her children to see one day. But this guy won`t even have the chance to have
children. I think it is so - I think it`s one thing to think, "God, I would love throw acid on this jerk`s penis" and it`s another thing to
actually carry it out. OK?
BROWN: But--.
COUSTEAU: But do you think this (INAUDIBLE)?
SCHACHER: So there`s some crazy there.
PINSKY: Ashlan?
COUSTEAU: Do you think at 17, she actually understood that? I mean--.
SCHACHER: Yes, I did at 17.
PINSKY: No.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, I would never have thrown - I have a lot of crappy things done to me at 17. I would never throw freaking acid on someone`s
balls.
PINSKY: Let`s talk about - let`s talk about--
SCHACHER: God.
PINSKY: --let`s talk--. And this is a destructive acid. This isn`t just a burn. This is really - cause (INAUDIBLE) to slough off the--. Let me
tell you how she got the acid. The girlfriend reportedly stumbled upon the acid while looking through her father`s tools for a wrench. Here`s what
she told reporters. We actually have an audio recreation.
(BEGIN AUDIO RECREATION)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While I was searching, I came across an old acid bottle. I took it and went straight to his regular drinking place and when
I got there, I became angrier. I didn`t hesitate to pour the acid on him. I never intended to kill his penis. I was just angry and all I wanted was
to make him feel the pain I was feeling. I had to do something to show him that I was angry and wanted to hurt him so that he could see that he messed
with the wrong girl.
(END AUDIO RECREATION)
PINSKY: Here`s a couple of things I get from that - from that reenactment. Number one, 17-year-olds` front lobes aren`t fully engaged yet. She didn`t
really understand the full impact of what she was doing there. We just found out as well that the age of consent in South Africa is 16 so this was
not illegal. It doesn`t mean it`s OK.
We`re back right after this.
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[21:55:01](BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We agreed to have sex but she was not aware that I was filming the sex using my laptop computer. I did not intend to show anyone
the video and I still don`t know it got on to social media.
NARRATOR: That`s the explanation reportedly given by a 25-year-old man whose girlfriend allegedly threw battery acid on his penis after learning
he secretly videotaped the couple having sex then posted it online.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Back with Sam, Karamo, and Ashlan.
A 25-year-old man says he will never be able to "use his penis again" after the 17-year-old girlfriend threw battery acid on it. He told reporters
that his injuries now require him to urinate through a catheter, through a tube, and that he needs much more surgery ahead.
And let`s be - let`s be very clear, guys. I mean, this is destructive acid. You can destroy the tissue. This is not something - it`s not
something to mess around with. I mean, this man could lose the phallus, could lose - I mean, the whole thing could be just a terrible, terrible
mess the rest of his life.
The man reportedly is not pressing charges, saying, "It won`t bring back my manhood." He alleges that the teenage attacker told reporters she was
considering press charges relating to his "creation of pornography". That`s interesting.
Ashlan, should she choose - should she press charges?
COUSTEAU: When someone says, "I don`t know how it got from my computer magically onto the internet", come on. That is 100 percent lies.
PINSKY: And Ashlan, you never had any screwball male friends?
COUSTEAU: No.
PINSKY: I mean--.
COUSTEAU: I have but I`ve never done anything like that with them and I don`t think I`ve ever been secretly taped but I would`ve probably would`ve
figured that out by now. But I just - I think this is - he obviously is super, super messed up. Like Sam said earlier, this girl is completely
messed up for the rest of her life. It`s always going to live online. As is he. So I`m not saying she had the right to do it. I think what she did
was taking it way too far. But they are both going to have scars, literally and figuratively, for the rest of their lives.
PINSKY: And I`m worried about her, Sam, the fact that she could be so pre- meditated. "Oh, here`s (INAUDIBLE) battery acid. I`d better go find him and then when I get there, I`m going to show you you messed with the wrong
girl." I mean, that`s a kind of a primitive thinking that being for a 17- year-old seems a little primitive (INAUDIBLE).
SCHACHER: I agree. That`s what I was saying earlier. You were saying, "OK, her whatever frontal lobe isn`t developed." But then, just a year
later, here in America, you can go fight for your country. So I do think as a 17-year-old, almost young adult, you do know the difference between
right and wrong. I`m sorry. I`m not a doctor. But you would know to not go find out, seek out your ex-boyfriend and after rummaging through your
dad`s garage, go find what you can use to do something horrendous to him, and--.
PINSKY: Yes. Maybe (INAUDIBLE), for all we know, she was looking for a saw or a clipper or something. You know what I mean?
SCHACHER: Thank you.
PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE) sure you were looking for worse? Karamo, you were - you were shaking your head, "No", though.
BROWN: Yes. Because Sam, I have to disagree with you on this. I mean, I understand that what she did is wrong. But she`s not developed yet. And
we also don`t know what type of trauma she dealt with before where she was acting erratically. I guess it`s because I work with children who have
been preyed on. I know in South Africa, this is the legal age, but I`ve even worked with children who are preyed on and this happens to them and
they do not recover. I mean, they are so messed up. And so when I say that I`m happy that his penis got off, of course, I`m just - I`m going over
the board with this. But I`m - it`s because a lot of these men get off and they go scot-free and this girl is living with the scars of having sex with
a man who is older than her, who is living with the scars of having this video out there. And then this man would`ve went free. So I`m not--.
PINSKY: And you guys, the entire WTF hour, we`ve been talking about - is about circumstances that spiral out of control because people don`t take -
maintain boundaries with other people. You don`t know what the other person`s experiencing and you`ve got to learn to maintain boundaries and be
empathic of others.
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[22:01:00] Forensic Files begins now.
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