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A New Study Reveals One In Ten Children Believed They Have A Habit They Cannot Control And It Is A Habit That Could Lead To Prison, Which Is Porn Addiction; More Fallout After An NYPD Detective Screamed At An Uber Driver; Bruce Jenner Could Be Sued For His Alleged Role In The Malibu Car Crash

Aired April 02, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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[21:00:08] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW ON CALL" SHOW: Tonight, children addicted to porn. A new study reveals one in ten children believed

they have a habit they cannot control and it is a habit that could lead to prison.

Plus, Bruce Jenner is about to be sued. That is the question. His Malibu car crash may have him in legal trouble.

Let us get to the most tweeted story of the night. More fallout after an NYPD detective screamed at an Uber driver, who had apparently -- we do not

know exactly what he did, but the report is he honked. He gestured. Sanjay Seth, the passenger recorded the incident. Have a look.

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DETECTIVE PATRICK CHERRY, MEMBER OF FBI`S JOINT TERORISM TASK FORCE: So, stop it with your mouth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: Stop with your, "For what, sir?" "For what sir?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: Stop it with that bull (EXPLETIVE WORD).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: And realize the three vehicle and traffic law violations you committed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: OK? You understand me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: Yes, I understand you.

CHERRY: I do not know what (EXPLETIVE WORD) planet you think you are on right now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: I am not planning, sir. I am here.

CHERRY: Planning? It is a planet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: I say I am not going to --

CHERRY: I said planet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: Yes. I am not in any planet.

CHERRY: That is (EXPLETIVE WORD).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: That guy is a tool -- I mean who does that?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CHERRY: I am going to tell you something, the next time you do it again --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: You are going to -- OK, what? Are not you going to let me (EXPLETIVE WORD) finish? Stop interrupting me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: You are witnessing somebody that got called out because he did not have his blinker on and he

lost his cool. And he thinks he is above the law.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CHERRY: No. Every time I open my mouth, you have something to say.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: He is in a terrorism task force, which means that we want him to be aggressive and we want him to be

authoritative.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: There are 40,000 New York City cops, and they are screwed for the next two weeks because of that guy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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PINSKY: Is everybody else perfect? Everyone is perfect out there? Are all you perfect?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CHERRY: The only reason you are not in handcuffs going to jail and getting summons in the precinct is because I have things to do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Joining us, Anahita Sedaghatfar, attorney of legal counsel to the Cochran Firm; Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at Speaktomark.com and Emily

Psychotherapist. Now, that detective was in an unmarked car wearing a suit. He did not produce a badge.

Anahita, my question though, is this -- what are we seeing here? I mean it is out of context. We do not know what the driver did. He did not give the

guy a ticket. Is this really that bad?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, we do not know what he did, Dr. Drew. But, I do not think anything can justify that type of behavior by

that officer. And, you know me, Dr. Drew. You know that I tend to not judge people based on one isolated incident.

But after watching that video, I can guarantee you that, that was not the first time the officer acted like that. Because that type of anger and rage

and discrimination -- let us call it what it is. This was racial discrimination. That did not come out of nowhere just that one particular

day.

I think this was a total abuse of power. I think he needs to be terminated. And, I think even more important, if the department conducts their

investigation and they do not find that this officer violated department policy, then they need to seriously revamp their policies in that

department.

PINSKY: Anahita, come on now. Come on, now. Seriously? The guy loses it and he has to be terminated? He may be an important part of the task force

against terrorism.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. Here is why.

PINSKY: He yelled at a guy for reasons we do not know why. For all we know -- Have you ever had somebody cut you off and just zoom around you on the

freeway here in Los Angeles?

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

PINSKY: Do not you wish somebody would yell at that guy.

SEDAGHATFAR: I do, but --

PINSKY: OK. Well, maybe, that is what this cop did.

SEDAGHATFAR: No. No, Dr. Drew. Stop defending this guy. The difference is he is a public servant. We have to hold those individuals to a higher

standard. There is no excuse in my mind. I can see the anger. He was frustrated. These cops deal with horrible things all day.

PINSKY: Yes.

SEDAGHATFAR: What gets me is the racism. That is never acceptable.

PINSKY: Well, we do not know -- well, they may not have been.

SEDAGHATFAR: He is mocking him.

PINSKY: Now, listen, I agree with you. It is hard to interpret -- I know what you are talking about where he asked, "How long you have been in this

country?" But, is not there a possibility, Mark, that one of the reasons he asked that question is to try to figure out, does this guy understand what

he has done here?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, Mr. Gullible. Really? You have never seen anybody berate another human being. Welcome to the planet.

You know, listen, Mr. Truman show. Listen, I disagree with both of you in part. Anahita, termination is way too harsh a penalty assuming this is the

first time the guy got nabbed.

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: You, Dr. Drew, really? Come on. This guy deserves a desk job. Anger is one letter shy of danger. He absolutely needs help. But, if he

does not think he needs help, the penalty needs to be more severe, so he suffered enough pain that he is willing to change.

PINSKY: Emily was impressed with that. Anger, one letter short of danger. Emily, what do you say?

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I like it. I do like it.

PINSKY: I could see it on your face. What do you say?

ROBERTS: But he also is carrying a gun. He is emotionally unstable. It freaks me out that he is on the streets and he is a loose cannon. We live

in -- I live in New York City. That guy doing whatever he did could not have been that bad. I almost got ran over four times today, let us be

honest here, right? The problem here is --

PINSKY: Yes, but do not you wish somebody would stop those people from doing that? That is exactly my point.

[21:05:00] ROBERTS: Yes. Sure.

PINSKY: I have spent a lot of time in the city there, and I cannot believe what people get away with. I wish somebody would grab them by the collar

and say, "Hey, do not you understand you can kill somebody?"

ROBERTS: He could have done it so much more effectively --

EIGLARSH: Drew.

ROBERTS: This would not even have happened. He could just say, "Look, I want to let you know, if you do not know, here is the rules. And, I just

want to let you know this is what I am doing." He could have been nice about it. I mean, my God, everything is filming.

PINSKY: Mark.

ROBERTS: People should know before they say anything to be aware of that.

EIGLARSH: We are talking about professionalism.

ROBERTS: Absolutely.

EIGLARSH: And, let us just make very clear, cops do a very difficult and challenging job. Most people are not thrilled to see them. It is very

challenging. So, when I can cut slack, I will. But, Drew, to suggest somehow that it is justified behavior because someone may have -- and it is

not in this case, but someone may have acted improperly in their driving method that they can berated and treated unprofessionally, I am surprised

at you or I do not believe you.

PINSKY: Well, then, maybe -- maybe I am being polemical. But, the detective uses a lot of profanity.

EIGLARSH: I do not even know what that means? What is that word?

PINSKY: I am being argumentative, counselor.

EIGLARSH: What?

PINSKY: I am being argumentative. Let us look at this tape.

EIGLARSH: I need a thesaurus to keep up with you. What is that, polemical?

(LAUGHING)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHERRY: What (EXPLETIVE WORD) planet you think you are on right now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: I am not in any planet.

CHERRY: Sit in the car and stay there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CHERRY: Who are you (EXPLETIV WORD) with me? You understand me? Pull over.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: OK, what? Are not you going to let me (EXPLETIVE WORD) finish? When you drive up my (EXPLETIVE WORD) when I try to park the car then you have

to do you something with your hands.

(ENDV IDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Mark, you ever been spoken to like that by someone? A police?

EIGLARSH: Yes, I have. One time. And, then here is the problem. He was yelling at me because I -- I made a right turn when I was not supposed to.

And thebn what happened was he had one tooth here, one tooth here and nothing in between and I started laughing. I was like, I cannot control

myself.

PINSKY: That must have gone over great.

EIGLARSH: What can I do? It did not go over well.

PINSKY: Anahita?

EIGLARSH: I was going to say, Dr. Drew, we have to hold these people to a higher standard. Can you imagine, for example, if I walked into court one

day I had a horrible day and I started yelling at the judge, berating the judge, making racial comments towards the judge. I would be handcuffed. I

would be thrown in jail and I would be held in contempt.

PINSKY: I was in a courtroom down in Florida where a judge started yelling at me because I was trying to help a patient and explain that the patient

needed treatment and not jail.

And he started yelling at me. I felt like somebody -- Sam was behind the podium there. It was kind of wild. It is wild when that happens. It does

happen out there. But, I do not really care what any of us think --

EIGLARSH: So, what is --

PINSKY: Hang on, Mark. I do not care what any of us thinks. I want to hear from an NYPD police officer. So, I have a former NYD police officer to tell

us what he thinks.

He will tell me whether this is appropriate, whether the complaints against this guy have been excessive. How does this fit in the spectrum of what is

expected of appear a New Year Police Officer.

And, later, a new study says one in ten young children -- one in ten young children believe themselves that they are addicted to pornography. We are

back after this.

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CHERRY: Who are you (EXPLETIVE WORD) with me? Do you understand me? Pull over.

SETH: No. That is crazy. That is really inappropriate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHERRY: How long you been in this country?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVE : Almost two years.

CHERRY: Almost how long?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: Two years.

CHERRY: Two years. I got news for you and use this lesson. Remember this in the future. Do not ever do that again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: The only reason you are not in handcuffs going to jail and getting summons in the precinct is because I have things to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE UBER DRIVER: OK.

CHERRY: That is the only reason that is not happening. This is not important enough for me. You are not even important enough.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Mark and Emily. This is our most tweeted story of the night. And, people starting to tweet more, mostly attacking me. That

video was recorded by Sanjay Seth, the passenger in the Uber car.

The detective has been stripped of his gun and badge and put on desk duty while NYPD investigates. It is also interesting. I was listening to -- what

is the British -- the broadcasting system? The BBC. And, they could not reconcile Uber. They kept calling it a taxicab. They could not understand

what Uber was.

Anahita, I know they have Uber in London, but then somehow -- Maybe they do not. Maybe they have been pushed out because this -- Whatever. Anahita, my

question, you see the cop asking about how long that gentleman has been in the country. That is what you call racist, correct?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, that was part of it and he was mocking his accent. He was mimicking him, Dr. Drew. You know I have been on your show plenty of

times, and I have defended police officers. And, I appreciate the fact that they put their lives on the line for all of us each and every day, but I

cannot find one explanation that could excuse this officer for his conduct.

PINSKY: There we go. Hold on. Hold on. "Dr. Drew, day two of enabling crazy people. Take ownership, is not that what you preach?" Yes, it is what I

preach. I also preach understanding. Emily, why are you nodding at that?

ROBERTS: I am nodding because it is very courageous to be a police officer. And, it is also very courageous to get help. This guy needs to get them

help. All right.

PINSKY: All right.

ROBERTS. He really does. I mean this is an emotionally unstable person.

PINSKY: Maybe.

ROBERTS: And, maybe he had a bad day --

PINSKY: I do not know.

ROBERTS: -- but that was a pretty long --

PINSKY: I do not know.

ROBERTS: Come on.

PINSKY: Why am I so -- I am just not sure. I am not clear what I am looking at here. So, what I want to do, I want to get this straightened out. You

guys all with me on this. Let us bring in a former NYPD police officer. I got John Cardillo. John, help me out. What is your reaction to that video?

JOHN CARDILLO, FORMER NYPD POLICE OFFICER: Well, thanks for the invite on. You know, I am always reluctant to judge a person 20-year career on a few

minutes of video. Here is a detective who made the joint terrorism task force.

We at the Intelligence Division, he does not get that kind of assignment by only being vetted by NYPD. The FBI, department of justice have a say in

that. Here is usual a guy that did everything right his entire career. Did he screw it up this time? Yes, sure he did. Clearly, he let anger get the

best of him. I do not know what the reason was. I do not know --

PINSKY: Let me ask -- John, let me ask you this way, is there any justification? Could that driver have done something so egregious that this

guy was appropriate in this kind of rage? Can you imagine that? Or is it just out of line in all circumstances?

CARDIILLO: Well, no, it is unprofessional. I mean if that was an official -- if he was taking official police action, then it was inappropriate

behavior. And, if he was just a private citizen at that moment parking his vehicle, it certainly was not worth getting that worked up over and

bringing the job and you will be precinct. You will get summons. Nothing the Uber driver did not warranted being threatened with arrest or summoned.

PINSKY: As far as we know -- well, as far as we know, but OK. Then here is what "The Wall Street Journal" is reporting about this particular detective

we see leaning into the window there.

His name is Patrick Cherry. He was, as you said, on the joint terrorism task force. He is 38 years of age, 14 years of duty. Now, 13 complaints.

That is my question to you.

That is about a complaint per year. Is that a lot of complaints or are policemen in New York used to getting complaints? Or is that something that

should have been noticed a long time ago?

CARDILLO: No -- Excuse me. It really depends on the nature of the complaint. I mean I will give you a personal example. I had a complaint

because someone called and said their own son was threatening them with the gun. When we got to the apartment, the son pointed a gun in my face and I

wrestled him and fell through a glass table.

Now, I could have used deadly force, but we did not have to. We were able to cuff him and arrest him. The dad filed a complaint against me for

breaking his glass table. And, so, the 14 years he was probably a busy, active cop to make it onto the (INAUDIBLE). One compliant a year and

thousands of interactions with the public a year really is not a lot.

PINSKY: Well, I am not surprised. That does not surprise me. And, so, when people are making issue of these 13 complaints, they should not be, number

1. but then the question becomes, what should happen to this gentleman? Is just -- Should he be just be educated? Should he get some therapy?

Does he have to be removed? Does he have to lose his badge? I mean what is the appropriate way -- Mark, well, I will let you ring in first before we

let the officer answer. Go ahead.

EIGLARSH: OK. I think that anyone who thinks that this was just a guy having a bad day who is otherwise calm, cool and collected and extremely

professional is either naive or being intellectually dishonest.

PINSKY: Have you ever met anybody either --

EIGLARSH: This guy -- the cancer --

PINSKY: -- naive and intellectual dishonest?

EIGLARSH: I am not judging --

PINSKY: That would be me, I guess.

EIGLARSH: Yes --

PINSKY: Because I think it is possible that, that is the case.

EIGLARSH: Well, let me say -- well, listen, I am not going to say anything about you. I love you. But, this guy -- I am not judging him. What I am

saying is there are deeply rooted issues.

Anger is nothing more than fear turned outward and also it is about ego. When somebody is yelling at someone like this, the way that he is acting,

it is about ego. And I have said it before, I will say it again, your ego is not your amigo.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Officer -- Officer, we have full of aphorisms tonight. We have to write them all down, Mark. Officer Cardillo, let me ask one last thing,

John. What should be done to discipline or treat or help this man or remove him from the force?

CARDILLO: Well, let me say, I agree that ego got the best of him. But, I am not going to -- into this just yet. I think the department is handling it

appropriately. He is on modified assignment. He does not have a gun or shield.

He will probably get him a mild form of departmental punishment, which is called a command discipline where he will lose some vacation days, but he

has been publically shamed.

And, here is a guy who had a stellar 14-year career. He is going to be departmentally reprimanded and you can publicly shamed in global media. So,

I think the punishment fits the crime at this point.

PINSKY: OK. So, I think -- listen, I defer to Officer Cardillo. Mark, you and Anahita and Emily, you are all very convincing. I have been

argumentative for just -- to try to just have a different point of view on this. Because it is so easy to look at that and go, "Oh, my God! What an

awful experience that would be to be the object of that kind of rage."

But, we do not know the circumstances. As Officer Cardillo said, this gentleman has had a stellar career. You do not want to lose people that are

good on a -- just because they have had a bad day or have some issues that are percolating up. Emily, you got to agree with be on this. I am not going

to go to you right now.

But, the fact is, that we want to give people a chance to get better. If they are good, get better. Not to shun them, eliminate them, make them

unable to make their -- you know, have a way to make their living. Stop it, everybody. Just because it is social media, does not mean we have a mob act

out every time we do not like something we see.

Next up, if you believe a new study, one in ten children -- one in ten young children believe they are addicted to pornography.

And, later, Bruce Jenner could be sued for his alleged role in the Malibu car crash. We will tell you that story after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[21:23:41] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Four teens in Joliet, Illinois were arrested after making a pornographic video and posting it to Twitter.

Police say the sex among the three boys, 14, 15 and 16, and one 15-year-old girl, was consensual. What got them in trouble was distributing it. But,

the teens seem old compared to Lewis, who says that his addiction to porn began at age 8.

He confesses that by the time he was 13, he was searching for bondage domination, big beautiful women and teens. Since porn was how Lewis learned

about sex, he says he did not understand the ideas of consent and what made something criminal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Mark, Emily and "WTF." It is the most shocking story making the rounds on Twitter and Facebook. Now, Mark, you apparently

-- you got an update for us on those four teens.

EIGLARSH: I have an update?

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: That is what I heard.

EIGLARSH: I do not -- really? Well, let me fake an update.

PINSKY: No update. That is good.

EIGLARSH: The four teens are still under the age of 19.

PINSKY: Well, let me tell you something --

EIGLARSH: Drew, I know they are in serious trouble.

PINSKY: Let me tell you something, what bothers me in that story is that they called the sex amongst these young teenagers consensual. And, that is

not consensual. They are not of age to be able to render consent. Emily, you agree?

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

[21:25:06] ROBERTS: Yes. Of course. You know, he also said that he started watching it at age 8. That is a kid who still believes in Santa Claus. His

brain is certainly not developed enough to understand concepts.

This is really, really problematic for the developing mind and for these kids, even if they are teenagers because it is not real. It became real,

but it is not real. The porn is not real.

PINSKY: Now, we heard about that individual Lewis, so-called, who said he was 8 when he discovered pornography. Then he became addicted by the time

he was in high school. He was going online several times a day. This is sort of the way addiction evolves. It is not all that uncommon.

And, we are hearing that 14 -- I have an update. I have the update, Mark. Here it is. Four teens in Joliet, Illinois were arrested after making a

pornographic video, posting it to Twitter. Police say the sex among the three boys, 14, 15 and 16 and a 15-year-old girl was consensual.

I cannot even say that, like I choke on those words. But, what got them in trouble -- Well, that is the same thing we just heard in the -- we just

heard that in the piece of tape we just heard. The teens seem old compared to Lewis who says his addiction began at age 8. He confesses by the time he

was 13. Again, this is what we just heard in that particular video. What is up, Anahita?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I can explain something I guess that people might want to know. Child pornography is what these kids are being charged with. And,

originally, those laws were there to protect children from adult predators. But, sadly now when we have all this social media, Twitter, Instagram,

Facebook, we are seeing more and more instances like this from teens and even pre-teens, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes, and people got to understand. Emily alluded to this, but your brain -- I guess why I keep my brain handy, when it is developing, its

regulatory system can be easily shattered.

You can exceed its ability to manage what is coming in and pornography is a great way to do that. It also wires in a motivational arousal system -- we

are going to talk about in a few minutes that have these kids going back.

According to a child advocacy organization, this is a new study, 700 kids ages 12 and 13, one-tenth worried they are addicted to porn. More than one

in ten have made or been part of a sexually explicit video. I am just -- I am mortified by this data. It is -- yes, Emily, you are surprised -- I am

even surprised by it. And, because --

ROBERTS: You are surprised? Did you say surprised?

PINSKY: I am just surprised that 12 and 13-year-olds are -- one in ten have been in something like this? That is surprising me.

SEDAGHATFAR: That shocks you, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Well, it shocked me.

ROBERTS: I am not surprise .

PINSKY: One in five - Emily -- you not are surprised? You are surprised, Emily?

ROBERTS: I am disgusted. I will tell you why I am not surprised, because parents give their kids their iPads, they iPhones, everything. They sleep

with them at night. These little girls are going and these little boys are going to bed with these devices next to them. They can search anything.

If you put sex in here, what do you find? Even if it is 5, 6, 7-year olds, who are curious by nature, they are going to see that. They are going to

notice it. And, like you said, it is going to rewire their brain.

PINSKY: And, if you ask them, 20 percent of them when they are surveyed, say they have seen images that shocked or upset them, which suggests --

again, this is traumatizing. I want to bring in somebody who has had firsthand understanding of all of this.

I got Breanne Saldivar. She became addicted to pornography as a teen. Breanne, help us understand this. Does this surprise you? Was this what you

were seeing back when things got going for you?

BREANNE SALDIVAR, WAS ADDICTED TO PORN: Well, I mean I am not surprised with it at all and I am very saddened by it, but I lived that like I know

that reality. And, it is not shocking to know that these kids -- I mean they are children are doing these things. I got into this ten years ago. I

am not surprised at all.

PINSKY: How old were you? How old were you when you first got exposed?

SALDIVAR: Those ages you were saying. I mean I think the first time I ever watched pornography, I was 11 as a female ten years ago. So, keep that in

mind.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: And, Breanna did you know at that point -- did you experience curiosity or did you feel like it was uncomfortable or upsetting to you?

SALDIVAR: Well, but it started as curiosity. The unfortunate thing is pornography is unlimited and it is free and it is easily accessible. So,

maybe it started as curiosity. But, it quickly turned into something much greater than just let me Google sex.

PINSKY: And, how did it develop? Explain to people how this sort of evolves.

SALDIVAR: Well, it is like any addiction. It is very progressive. And, I felt like it snuck up on me, just because at first I thought it is

curiosity. This is natural. I should look into these things. But then before I knew it, it was no longer enough. Watching pornography was not

enough. I had to get involved. I had to do more. It became more of a physical thing. The e-high was no longer good enough.

PINSKY: The e-high, that is new term for me. When you were getting the E to e-high, so to speak, how much were you watching? How bad was it?

SALDIVAR: Right. So, I mean was watching pornography several times a day and we are talking hours for a day. So, maybe five, six times. Probably, at

its worst, maybe ten times a day. And, eventually, that disconnect of the virtual high was no longer enough. So, I needed to participate in it. I

needed to be a part of that. And, make videos myself at some point.

[21:30:08] PINSKY: Mark, do you have a question?

EIGLARSH: Well, more of a comment. You know, there is no way around it. Kids, whether they are going to look at their own phones or iPads or go to

their friend`s house, they are going to look at it. I do not like blaming the parents because there is a lot of that --

ROBERTS: No, Mark, you know --

EIGLARSH: -- that they can get somewhere else. Let me finish. Let me make my point. Can I make my point? So, the point is that there is no

substitution for the parents having that uncomfortable dialogue, which we have had with our kids discussing what porn is and what it is not, and

having a dialogue so the kids can get it out and discuss it.

And, if they have seen images, discuss what it meant to them, how it felt. And, that, that is not natural, that it is acting, just like on television.

And, that what needs to be done.

PINSKY: Yes, Mark, I wish that were enough. That has not been my experience. Emily is having --

EIGLARSH: I did not say that is the panacea.

PINSKY: No. I know and Emily has the same reaction.

EIGLARSH: I am just saying, that is one of things that need to happen.

PINSKY: I have the same reaction. I think there is a lot -- let me ask Breanne. What did you need to -- first of all, I would say, parents got to

clamp down on the -- whatever electronic nanny --

EIGLARSH: You are not going to stop it, Drew.

PINSKY: I understand that.

EIGLARSH: You are not going to stop it. You are not --

PINSKY: Well, but you can really clamp down on it.

EIGLARSH: They borrow their friend`s phones. They go to other people`s homes. Not realistic.

PINSKY: All right. Fair enough.

EIGLARSH: Ask Breanne.

PINSKY: That is what I want to do. I want to ask Breanne. What could have been done to lessen your exposure or to help you once you were exposed?

SALDIVAR: Obviously, filters are a great help. A lot of parents, though, do not realize that things like an Xbox or Play Station, even Smart TVs have

internet access.

They forget about those things. Filters certainly help, but education I think would have been a big thing for me to know that one I was playing

with fire in that I could one day become severely addicted to it. I had no clue.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes. I think that is a great point. I got to take a break. But, Mark, let me reframe a little bit -- I think maybe you will agree with

this. Is rather than just talking about it, which I do not disagree with, of course, but is to say, this is a dangerous thing. This can affect how

your brain develops. Be very careful with this.

As Breanne says, you are playing with fire as opposed to what our culture says, which is, "Hey, man, you got to explore this." What message does she

got? That is why she explored her curiosity was, "All right, I should know about this. I should explore this." This is just a natural thing I should

be into. As opposed to, this is dangerous for your brain development.

Next up, you will hear from a boy who says he was watching what he called aggressive porn.

And, later, is there any basis for a lawsuit against Bruce Jenner following his unfortunate car accident in Malibu? Back after this.

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[21:31:55] UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: They believe they are addicted to porn.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE ANNOUNCER: What is one in ten kids age 12 to 14 admit to it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: They have taken part in or had made a sexually explicit video.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE ANNOUNCER: What is 12 percent of those young teens?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: They have already seen porn images that have shocked or upset them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE ANNOUNCER: What is 18 percent of those young teens?

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PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Mark and Emily. Those stats are staggering. We are talking about a new study that shows an unbelievable number of young

teens believed they are addicted to porn.

According to a non-profit called Childwise, pornhub was amongst the top 5 favorite sites named by boys age 11 to 16. Mark, let us imagine we were 12,

14-year-olds boys. As a male, we can be emphatic of all that. We can understand the preoccupation that can develop, but imagine the young brain

trying to manage what he is looking at. It is unbelievable.

EIGLARSH: It is. And, again, I cannot believe that the panel and you did not embrace the very softball that I threw out that conversation with

parents and kids on the subject matter is critical.

PINSKY: I do not disagree.

EIGLARSH: I am not saying it could stop anyone else`s abuse, but --

PINSKY: It is so much more though.

EIGLARSH: -- it has to happen.

ROBERTS: I grabbed the softball. I got it. I got the ball.

SEDAGHATFAR: I agree with you, Mark.

EIGLARSH: I do not disagree with you.

PINSKY: All right, Emily, go.

EIGLARSH: It is a place to start.

ROBERTS: But, wait a second. It is not just a conversation.

PINSKY: Yes.

ROBERTS: You are absolutely right. There needs to be a conversation. Here is the other thing. The accessibility needs to be very, very important.

Because exactly what our guest said, she got them from where? You can get them anywhere. You can get online anywhere, but if you educate your kids

early on about it and explain to them how this is not real, OK? This is dangerous stuff and this is traumatizing.

PINSKY: Right.

ROBERTS: Dr. Drew said it very well. This is going to upset your brain. And, it really does upset your brain.

PINSKY: It changes --

ROBERTS: It makes it very traumatizing.

PINSKY: It changes the trajectory of brain development.

ROBERTS: Right.

PINSKY: Breanne Saldovar is still here with us. And, Breanne in addition to that part, you wanted to make some other points. Go ahead.

SALDIVAR: Well, just the fact that this is a drug. It really is.

PINSKY: Yes.

SALDIVAR: But, for people to dismiss and say, "Oh, well, it is curiosity. They are just kids experimenting," that is like saying, "I am going to do

experimental drugs and shoot up heroin."

PINSKY: Yes!

SALDIVAR: OK. We are talking about a serious sort of experiment that you are taking and rewiring your brain and its development and you are very

right in that fact.

PINSKY: It is a great -- Mark, I may be tossing it back to you. Think of this the way you talk to kids about drugs and alcohol, which is "No, we are

not going to allow this and here is why. And, there will be consequences if you do." See, we have to just talking is not enough is my point. That is

what I was trying to emphasize.

EIGLARSH: Well, of course talking is just not enough. This is an addiction. And, whether it be alcohol, drugs or porn, the person is powerless over

looking at the porn --

PINSKY: When it becomes an addiction --

EIGLARSH: So, they need help.

[21:40:00] PINSKY: When it becomes an addiction, but even when it does not become an addiction, just like binge alcohol use in high school or college.

There can be horrible consequences and we could start listing.

EIGLARSH: Of course.

PINSKY: There is all kinds of stuff. Breanne, let me talk to you about, A. -- well, let us go right to what the differences are between the young

males and the young females in terms of how the pornography affects them.

SALDIVAR: Well, as a female, I was affected really negatively. And, even in my future like relationships. It was like because I had seen so much porn

in the back of my head, I was constantly second guessing myself and who I was.

I was constantly wondering, "Is this what he likes? Is this what he has seen on videos? Is this good enough for him?" And, I became the most

insecure, unstable person that I think I could possibly be at that point.

PINSKY: Do you think -- in addition to its affect on your interpersonal life, the fact when you first got going with it, do you think a young

female -- it is more shattering or less or does it just depend on the individual child?

SALDIVAR: There is a level of shame that as a female who struggles with porn that I cannot even articulate to you. Most people when they hear a boy

struggling with porn, they dismiss it. "OK, he is a young boy, whatever."

But, when they hear that a young female is struggling with it, you get the worst sort of looks, which makes seeking help even harder. Which meant that

I sought that acceptance from the very men online that were objectifying me.

PINSKY: There you go. Mark, that for me encapsulates so much of this. It is why -- you know, again, talking -- if you are so deeply ashamed, it becomes

impossible to talk about something.

EIGLARSH: I am curious what Breanne would tell my kids, like if I had her sit down with them, what --

PINSKY: Great question.

EIGLARSH: -- based upon what she learned --

PINSKY: And your boys are how old?

EIGLARSH: -- what would she tell my children?

PINSKY: Your boys are how old? Your boys are?

EIGLARSH: 13, 11 and 8. Boy, girl, boy. So, what would you tell them?

SALDIVAR: Well, I would tell them to definitely stay away from it, to steer clear from it. But, just that there is a greater picture that they cannot

see. There is something much greater that is beneath the surface.

What they are doing is they are messing with not only their minds, but their potential future relationships. Because once you train your mind to

objectify someone on a screen, it makes it much easier to do it in real life.

PINSKY: Emily, you want to give a thought there? I know you are nodding your head?

ROBERTS: Yes. And, many women -- she spoke really well to this. Many women will find and seek out relationships that are very, very unhealthy when

they used to see this on the screen, because it does imprint in their minds.

And, it is excitatory and it is exciting until the next day or in that moment, they are being abused. So, often times, the cycle of abuse comes

from it as well for boys and girls.

PINSKY: Anahita, I want to give you a chance to give some thought. You have been kind of quiet here. And, I know this is sort of our area of expertise,

but I wonder if you have thoughts based on what you have heard.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right. Well, I mean I think we have to kind of also look at the other aspect of this. I think those statistics, actually, will just

continue to increase, because a lot of this is -- these kids think it is cool to make sex tapes. And, we have created sort of a culture that rewards

bad behavior. We make celebrities out of individuals that make sex tapes. They become millionaires.

EIGLARSH: Good point.

SEDAGHATFAR: And, then we are surprised that these kids want to emulate them?

PINSKY: Yes. Yes. Very good. Very good. All right, guys. Breanne, thank you so much for being so honest and open. You will help so many people. I hope

you do not still carry that shame with you. You did not ask for this. It is a brain mechanism. It got kicked in. And, now, you are here to help others.

SALDIVAR: Thank you.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, Bruce Jenner`s Malibu car accident. Is there a lawsuit in his future. And a reminder, we are on Instagram. Check us out

for our behind the scene photos of our program and show. And, I guess, me and the whole staff, there we are, Jason Ellis. We post new pictures every

night. Back after this.

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[21:47:55] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: A fire department just pulled up. Yes, one car is destroyed.

SHERIFF PHILIP BROOKS, TRAFFIC SERGEANT AT THE MALIBU LOST HILLS SHERIFF STATION: It appears Bruce Jenner was involved in a rear-end of a vehicle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The part of the Malibu highway where it occurred is narrow and twisting.

SHERIFF BROOKS: When it struck the Lexus, the Lexus went into oncoming traffic, which struck the southbound H2 Hummer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The woman driving that car was 69-year-old Kim Howe.

SHRIFF BROOKS: The driver of the white Lexus was pronounced dead at the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: "It is a devastating tragedy. And, I cannot pretend to imagine what this family is going through at this time. I am

praying for them. I will continue to cooperate in every way possible."

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PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Mark, Emily and a segment we call, "Celebrity Behavior." According to TMZ, the dead woman`s step children have quote,

"lawyered up and could file a wrongful death lawsuit." And, Anahita, you predicted this.

SEDAGHATFAR: I did, Dr. Drew. I do not think it took a brain scientist to predict he was going to be sued for wrongful death and that is regardless

if he got charged in the criminal case. And, the burden of proof is much lower in a civil case. You only have to prove it by a preponderance of the

evidence.

PINSKY: Will they settle? Will they settle this?

SEDAGHATFAR: I, obviously, think that he will settle if he gets sued. He is not going to want to sit through depositions, litigate this case, go

through discovery and interrogatories, because all of that will be made public. It will be splashed all over the internet. It will be all over the

news. And, he has a $250,000 insurance policy.

PINSKY: What?

SEDAGHATFAR: He has a car insurance policy of $250,000.

PINSKY: But, wait a minute.

SEDAGHATFAR: The case is not worth merely that much, Dr. Drew.

EIGLARSH: Not enough.

PINSKY: I do not know.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, here is why. Let me explain. Not to sound unsympathetic. But, OK, one of the elements of this case, the stepsons have to prove

damages. And, what are damages?

They have to show that they lost the love, the attention, the nurturing of this stepmother. And, if it turns out if these reports are true that they

had no relationship with the stepmother, they did not see her for years and years and years, the damages will be negligible.

PINSKY: And, so, Mark, we are saying a life -- we are putting a dollar amount on a life, on somebody`s stepmom? And, by the way, my understanding

is, according to media reports, Bruce Jenner shares an estimated $125 million nest egg, whatever you want to call it with Kris Jenner, his ex-

wife.

[21:50:00] Now, Mark, $250,000, just the insurance, seems like -- I do not know. It seems inadequate for somebody`s death.

EIGLARSH: I would agree, but Anahita does make a very solid point. The issue is compensating someone as cold as it sounds in a civil arena for the

loss. It is all about money. It is not about hugs and apologies. It is about how much money do we need to shell out?

And, on issue is how old someone is, how many more years they are going to live. In this case, the relationship between those, who are suing and what

that loss means to them is extremely relevant, but I do not disagree with you. $250,000 is very low for a guy with that kind of exposure.

PINSKY: And, the accident happened -- what is that, Emily? Go ahead.

ROBERTS: Well, if this was somebody else, would they be suing for the same amount of money? I mean this is ridiculous. Just because he is famous does

not mean -- if someone else would have hit this woman and killed her, would they be suing him for that much money? I think this is ridiculous. Just

because he is famous, they got to make that?

EIGLARSH: Yes -- No, no, no, no. Someone died here. Someone died.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

ROBERTS: I understand that.

EIGLARSH: There is a certain value to a death.

SEDAGHATFAR: That is how it works in the civil system you guys. You have to place some monetary value. As cold as it sounds, that is what the jurors

will be instructed. How much lost do these kids suffer?

And, at the end of the day, I heard the plaintiffs` lawyer actually is searching for photos of the step kids with their stepmother, videos. They

are going to try to prove, "No, they did have a great relationship with her. This is a huge loss for them." And, again, in the civil arena --

PINSKY: Well, Anahita, let us say it was -- it is somebody they lived with, they loved, she was 40 years old and they were with her, what is that

worth?

SEDAGHATFAR: That is a much more valuable case.

PINSKY: Well, what is that worth?

SEDAGHATFAR: That is up to the jury. That is up to the jury.

PINSKY: Give me an estimate. What will you be looking for if you are the prosecutor?

SEDAGHATFAR: I have seen it -- well, it would be a prosecutor. It would be a civil case. But, I have seen these cases go in the millions. And, I have

seen them settle in hundreds of thousands as well. So, it really just depends on what those jurors believed.

The sympathy is going to play a huge factor in this case. And, I think that those jurors might be offended because if they see that these kids never

had a relationship with her, they are going to see that they are trying to profit off of this woman is death.

EIGLARSH: Here is the X factor.

PINSKY: What?

EIGLARSH: In this case, there is two things that are the X factor, which make the value of the settlement double. Number one, he has deep pockets.

So, if they can hit him in front of a jury for more than $250,000, he then starts to reach into his deep pocket.

The second thing is, he does want to avoid going through depositions, that could be lengthy and embarrassing, and a very public trial. I think they

are going to look to settle this and both sides get a guaranteed result.

SEDAGHATFAR: I agree.

PINSKY: We are back after this.

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[21:56:59] BRUCE JENNER, KRIS JENNER`S EX-HUSBAND: I feel probably safer in the airplane than I do in the car. Cars are not going the other direction.

You know, it hit 50 to 60 miles an hour.

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SHERIFF BROOKS: It appears Bruce Jenner was involved in a rear end of a vehicle.

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PINSKY: We hear allegedly that he is going through the transition.

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SHERIFF BROOKS: When it struck the Lexus, the Lexus went into oncoming traffic, which struck the South bound H2 Hummer.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I know that Bruce is feeling really bad.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: He was toeing a dune buggy. And, there were paparazzi following him.

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PINSKY: I feel really bad for Bruce.

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PINSKY: Back with Anahita, Mark and Emily. Yes, that was a spooky quote for our clip from the Larry King Show a years ago. TMZ says that Bruce Jenner

could be sued for wrongful death, following that fatal car crash.

The victims only living relatives are two adult stepchildren who have lawyered up. And, this seems to be as you guys were explaining to me, just

about money. And, it is kind of unsavory to hear. But, an insurance policy and whether he has a deep pocket or not, it is crazy.

SEDAGHATFAR: That is what happens in civil cases. It is not really like criminal cases where you are looking for guilt or someone to be exonerated.

It boils down to money and sympathy plays a big factor like I said. And, if this goes to trial and goes before a jury, they are not going to find these

stepsons sympathetic.

PINSKY: Will it? Because is what Mark was talking about where he does not deposed or anything, will there just be a settlement and that will be that?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, if Mark is valuing the case at more than $250,000 and the sons do not want to settle for that and they want more money, it is

possible that it could go to trial. I think it is unlikely. I think it will settle in about $100,000 to $250,000 range.

PINSKY: Mark.

EIGLARSH: I think it is going to be higher. I think closer to half a million. I think that Bruce Jenner wants to avoid this going to a trial. I

think that liability is obvious.

He is going to be probably ticketed for following too closely. And, it resulted in a death. The only question is, how strong of a relationship

these people had, what kind of loss they had. And, that is very abstract. And, I think that they resolve this.

PINSKY: And, then finally, Emily, you know, we hear this Bruce Jenner may be going through this transition, breast implant surgery has been alleged,

rhinoplasty, all sorts of, you know, surgeries.

And, they postponed his taping of his reality series, which was going to chronicle his transition. But, this guys has been going through a lot. I

keep wondering what the hormonal manipulations might have done to his awareness or focus. Who knows, right?

ROBERTS: I feel sorry for him right now.

PINSKY: Yes, me too.

ROBERTS: I mean he is going through a lot in his personal life. And, this is just another huge stressor that he does not need. It happened and that

really is a terrible tragedy. But he also has to live with this death for the rest of his life. Not to mention while he is going through this

transition, you know?

PINSKY: Yes, I mean we have done so much -- people have done so much talking about how difficult it is to go through a transition like this and

of course, it is. It is one of the most stressful things anyone could imagine. And, now you have somebody you feel responsible -- directly or

indirectly for having killed.

It just must be awful what he is going through right now. All right, guys, thank you so much. You can DVR us. Then you can watch us any time.

"Forensic Files," that is the show that follows this program and it is up next. Begins in just a few seconds. I will see you tomorrow.

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