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Aired April 12, 2015 - 19:00   ET

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[18:59:56] DON RIDDELL, CNN SPORTS: but everybody that's met him, myself included, is just blown away by how mature and calm and composed and thoughtful he is and that certainly translates to his golf game. A lot of that is a credit to himself, of course, but also to his mom and dad and his family situation at home. The future of American golf in so many ways is in good hands -- Poppy.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Wow absolutely. Congratulations to him, Jordan Spieth, as you said there, the future of golf in this country. Appreciate it.

7:00 Eastern and you're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York with you this Sunday evening.

And if you haven't heard yet, Hillary Clinton is running for president. The former first lady, U.S. senator and former secretary of state has ended all the speculation announcing officially her run for the White House via video on social media. The video aimed squarely at the middle class.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm running for president.

Americans have fought their way back from tough economic times, but the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top. Everyday Americans need a champion, and I want to be that champion.

So you can do more than just get by. You can get ahead and stay ahead because when families are strong, America is strong. So I'm hitting the road to earn your vote because it's your time. And I hope you'll join me on this journey.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: Meanwhile, Republican attack ads are coming in fast -- Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina the former CEO of HP who you see right there -- posting videos taking aim at Clinton and her track record.

Let's discuss it all. CNN political commentator Van Jones is with me; also conservative CNN political commentator Buck Sexton. Gentlemen -- thank you both for being here. Let me start with you, Van, what do you make of the way that Hillary made this announcement and how you think it has come off and resonated?

VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, look, I mean so far so good. I thought the video was very, very good. Everybody already knows her. Usually you've got to introduce the candidate. You have to give a bunch of back story. You've got to make sure everybody understands how to spell the person's name.

Hillary Clinton is a global superstar so she was able to really feature ordinary Americans in this. She was able to highlight ordinary people and then she kind of comes on at the end with a lot of energy and enthusiasm and says I want to be your champion. I think that part has gone very, very well.

HARLOW: Buck -- do you -- I mean some are saying they felt like this came off a bit corporate.

BUCK SEXTON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It's very stage managed. I mean it comes in with a whimper instead of a bang. But I think that's as a result of what happened in 2008 and they're trying to fight against the constant narrative of inevitability and the entitlement that people think that Hillary Clinton and those around her feel when it comes to this issue.

But really this is actually an exercise in rebranding. The Hillary that ran against Barack Obama was the sharp-eyed executive who can get it done, who has the background, who has the record. And now we have Hillary as sort of America's grandmother who wants to take care of everybody, sit around the kitchen table and fix their problems.

The issue that I see with that is that Americans have already seen the first Hillary. I'm not so sure they're going to be easily led into buying into this second Hillary. Although she's a grandma now and she wasn't before but other than that --

HARLOW: This is very true -- very proud grandma. Interesting, Paul Begala pointing out, Van, earlier that, you know, in 2008 they were sort of trying to hide the fact that she was a woman and now it's all about -- well not all about -- but very much that is being played because she's saying this is who I am. I am a wife. I am a politician. I am a grandmother now.

Do you think that is resonating so far in the early going?

JONES: Look, I think "I am the grandma-in-chief" line and approach is going to work very, very well. Listen, you know, different people already have different views about her, but you have to remember there's a lot of young people in this country -- they weren't really paying attention. They were watching "Sesame Street" during the 1990s. And so they're going to look at Hillary Clinton and they're going to give her a fair shot.

I'm watching other parts of the party and how they're responding and how they're reacting. You're seeing people like Bill de Blasio saying he's not going to endorse yet. He's holding out for a more populist, economic view. You have people like the "black lives matter" and the people that are protesting around police brutality asking questions -- where is she on criminal justice.

So you have parts of the party who are holding back a little bit. But I think we're not going to leave her at the altar. People just want a good pre-nup in the Democratic Party.

HARLOW: Go ahead -- Buck.

SEXTON: There's one issue of the substance that she discussed in the video because most of it was just the sort of thing you would expect. It was like a focus group.

HARLOW: Well, they're saying the other people's words actually.

Sexton: Right. It's other people's words. And then she actually said a few things towards the end obviously that she's running for president. But one part of that was just, you know, it's tilted towards the people at the top. And you've got that sense that she's obviously going to go towards economic populism, the sort of kitchen table economic issues.

But also she's going to be doing a bit of the (inaudible) class warfare thing. At least it was hinting toward that. I think that's going to be very difficult for Hillary Clinton to pull off. I think it was very successful for President Obama particularly in re- election. But I don't think Hillary who is worth over $100 million and flies everywhere in a private jet is going to have an easy time convincing people that she's not an elitist plutocrat. And I think that's a huge stumbling block for this rebranding of America's grandma.

[19:05:06] HARLOW: So guys, Dana Bash -- my colleague sat down with Rand Paul, another candidate. Fascinating interview -- she asked him about Hillary's foreign policy. Listen to this.

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SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think really that the issue in Benghazi is an enormous issue because it's whether or not as commander in chief she'll be there for the 3:00 a.m. phone call. I think Benghazi was the 3:00 a.m. phone call that she never pick up. She didn't provide the security not just that day -- for nine months.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: Van, is that going to be a problem for her?

JONES: Listen, they're going to try to chip away and chip away, and chip away at her foreign policy record. And I think that they're going to be some -- I think Benghazi is overplayed and people have already made up their mind about that.

A challenge she will have is that the world is -- feels like it's on fire right now. You have Americans getting their heads chopped off on television. You've got the sense of ISIS is spreading around the world and there's going to be more of a discomfort with where are we in the world in a year and a half. And she's got to be able to thread that needle.

I think Benghazi is something that is red meat for Republicans, but I do think how she handles the foreign policy question is going to be more important than perhaps she thought it might be a couple of years ago.

HARLOW: Buck.

SEXTON: I still say she's more vulnerable than just Benghazi when it comes to foreign policy. There are more vulnerabilities and she didn't really have any accomplishments during her time as secretary of state. And this is something that media -- this is something that media had caught on to and they would ask people that are associated with her -- what essentially did she do other than fly around the world on taxpayer-funded jets.

HARLOW: They'd say teeing up negotiations ins Iran --

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SEXTON: And with Benghazi, I would have to say that the buck does stop with her. I mean she is the one who is responsible as the head of the state department for what happened there. It was a failure of security and it was a failure of handling those hours. And to this day the one person that it seems they was very quick to hold accountable for this was somebody who made a video.

And that's just -- that's not going to go away and there are real reasons why people point at that and say this is somebody who, one, can't be trusted and, two, didn't seem that she was paying very close attention to what was happening in one of the highest threat posts in the world for the State Department.

HARLOW: Let me get you both on this as well. "Slate" -- writing in a column on "Slate", "Clinton's camp let slip" -- we know on Friday -- "its aim to raise $2.5 billion. Maybe that's not the best way to say hello to a struggling middle class."

Van -- to you first on that.

JONES: Well, let me say something about that as well as the other point that she's going to be seen as plutocrat. It really just depends on who she's running against. If you put her against a Jeb Bush which is a likely outcome then I think that issue is not a problem for her.

If somehow somebody else slips past and that person positions himself as a more recent member of the middle class, maybe that becomes an issue that becomes a problem. But the reality is both parties are going to have to raise a tremendous amount of money. And if you want to criticize her for saying she's going to raise $2 billion -- both sides are going to raise $2 billion -- there's probably going to be another two to three billion of independent. This is a problem for the democracy, not just for Hillary Clinton.

SEXTON: I would agree, by the way, in the point about it being Bush v Clinton. I don't think that will be the best dynamic, the best narrative going into all of this. But if you get, for example, a Marco Rubio and the first Latino president --

HARLOW: Right or if Elizabeth Warren comes in --

SEXTON: -- and geographically speaking, Florida being a play for him although for Bush, as well. And also, of course, the story that Marco Rubio comes with. Along with some of the other Republican field I think he's --

HARLOW: A big announcement coming from Marco Rubio tomorrow -- let's not forget.

SEXTON: I think he lines up well against Hillary.

HARLOW: Still coming -- still ahead. Thank you, gentlemen, both. I appreciate it.

Still ahead, Hillary Clinton and the social media movement -- we will take a closer look at how she's using social media to try to show voters a different, softer, more personal side of the Hillary we all think we know.

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[19:11:16] HARLOW: Call it Hillary Clinton 2.0, if you want or call it whatever you want, but today is a big day in the Hillary Clinton campaign -- the former secretary of state rolling out her second bid for the White House on social media in a video. She actually used a video to announce in 2008, as well, but this one was very different -- very different this time. Instead of the inevitable Hillary with big rallies, it is Hillary up close and personal.

Let's talk about it, how effective it is in the early going. CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter is with me and also CNN media director Samantha Barry. Guys -- thank you for being here.

Let me start with you, Samantha. What do you make of this video and the rollout so far?

SAMANTHA BARRY, CNN MEDIA DIRECTOR: I think it's actually been great success. It's very different to what happened in 2007 -- to put in context the social media landscape is completely different. At the time Twitter had just started, Facebook was in its infancy -- we hadn't even seen an iPhone being sold in the stores. So it's completely different.

HARLOW: Incredible.

BARRY: At the time they went for YouTube centric. Now today they went across three platforms. They used it as an opportunity to launch her on Facebook, which is key. They did YouTube and they did Twitter and they traveled fast not just here in the U.S. but it's a global trend at the moment -- Hillary Clinton.

The video itself on Facebook as we've seen a million times natively within the platform --

HARLOW: And we're talking about like three, four hours.

BARRY: Exactly. On Twitter in one hour alone, three million people looked at the announcement tweets so it spread and, you know, using that multi-social platform campaign has been important.

HARLOW: That's what we're showing. This is a so-called heat map of how many people are --

BARRY: And this --

HARLOW: -- and you can see a lot of it on the coasts.

BARRY: The peak of that was 3:28 EST where there was 7,000 tweets a minute.

HARLOW: So my executive producer and I were just thinking the same thing at the same time. You're not seeing as much in Middle America and Iowa where, by the way, Brian she's getting on a plane on Tuesday to go to Iowa. How does Hillary Clinton resonate and win in Iowa in a way she didn't her first time around.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Through offline as well as through online campaigning. This is the announcement that everyone has expected for months and she was able to control it entirely by having it come out in this video. And it was really a video for (inaudible). And to your point about the iPhone -- it's a very iPhone friendly video or very cell phone friendly video. It's a very intimate sort of relationship when you're watching something on the small screen like that.

The video is -- most people see the announcement here on TV. But when you can share it the way so many hundreds of others who are sharing it --

HARLOW: Right.

STELTER: -- it creates that intimacy that this campaign wants.

HARLOW: Well, let's talk about the reaction. I don't know if my team in the control room has this. If we did, we'll pull it up but Carly Fiorina coming out like an hour after Hillary Clinton posting her own video on Facebook.

By the way, it looked like it was shot with an iPhone, very casual.

STELTER: Yes. Actually it was a bit.

HARLOW: Look at that.

STELTER: They were going for that same style -- that same kind of web video style. And Jeb Bush the same way; Jeb Bush with the video overnight so he was coming out ahead of the time -- ahead of Hillary Clinton on this. All of this was supposed to be shareable so that you can, you know, pick your tribe and stick with it. HARLOW: Part of what so many people -- people that are pro-Hillary

and against Hillary say she needs to be authentic throughout this campaign. Samantha, you know, better than anyone that it is very clear on Twitter if you're being authentic or if you're having a million people vet what you tweet out before you do. So how does she do that effectively?

BARRY: Social media audiences are so cynical. They're cynical to people using it as a megaphone. They're cynical for just self- promotion and they have to get the voice right on each platform. You saw her Hillary Clinton dipping her toe in the Snap Chat water for the International Women's Day. She did a very kind of off topic Snap Chat for that for the Clinton Foundation.

So I think her and her team understand you need to be really authentic because you want to use social media for three things. They want to convert people to be donors and voters. You can see that already. In the last hour, they have a tweet going out saying for $5 you can be part of the campaign from the start. So they're already starting that conversion part of her.

[19:15:03] Her team also would likely be digging into the data that they can get from this. And the data and the analytics and the insights they can get from social media now --

HARLOW: Priceless.

BARRY: -- it will really drive where they go, what voice is resonating, what language is working. I looked -- I delved a little bit into the Facebook data for the last week of what the topics were that people were discussing about Hillary Clinton. And they were government ethics and foreign policy for the last week. I would be really interested to see what they will be for next week.

HARLOW: It is -- isn't it, Brian, priceless what information you can get from all of the analytics and all of the data --

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STELTER: The data, you can even retarget advertisement so even if I go to CNN.com I might still see a Hillary ad. So they'll be able to do that once you've engaged on one of her social networking sites. Of course, it is just the beginning for them and what we might see and what I hope we'll see is a two-way engagement and not just one way.

HARLOW: Yes.

STELTER: We saw Rand Paul right after his announcement on Monday get online, do an online chat. Even if that's symbolic and he only replies to a fraction of what comes in it's still said, they're using these sites to be social and not just talk at us.

HARLOW: So she'll also step back at points because you don't have any direct challenger to her right now in her own party and some people have said there's fear of her getting, no, she's already been painted as inevitable. You can get Hillary fatigue. So what's the best way, Samantha, for her to manage her social media presence and how out front she'll be?

BARRY: She's already taken a little bit of a step back from today. There was a tweet that went out again in the last 90 minutes where it said it's the campaign staff that will be tweeting from this account from now on. If you see H at the end of the tweet, that's from Hillary herself.

And I think there needs to be, as we said, she needs to be authentic on these sites and if you dig into the Facebook page there's a lot of work that's gone behind it. They have timelined it back to when she was born and all of her -- they put some personal photos in there. There's a lot of information. They're creating that social presence.

STELTER: And of course, there is a celebrity quotient always that isn't there. You know, Rand Paul when he announced earlier in the week, I mentioned that. On Twitter, you'll get up to a few thousand re-tweets for his comments. Hillary so far, 80,000 on that initial "I'm running for president" tweet. That kind of celebrity power -- no other candidate Democrat or Republican has and that can be very well exploited online.

HARLOW: She was also better known the last time around and that's not always what makes it happen.

By the way, big announcement tomorrow coming from Marco Rubio being a little bit overshadowed by this but we'll continue to talk about that.

STELTER: Yes. But as one of their folks said to me earlier, literally, Hillary will be yesterday's news by the time he speaks at 6:00 p.m. Monday.

HARLOW: There you go. There you go. Guys -- thank you very much. Great to have you on -- I appreciate it. We'll continue to follow this.

Also other news I want to get to: the Turkish government accusing Pope Francis of stirring up hate after he spoke out this morning about the Armenian massacre. What does this mean for the country's relationship with the Vatican? Our experts weigh in.

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[19:20:58] HARLOW: Pope Francis used the word "genocide" today during mass to describe the killing of Armenians more than a century ago. Officials in Turkey are furious.

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POPE FRANCIS, ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH (through translator): In the past century our human family has lived through three massive and unprecedented tragedies. The first which is widely considered the first genocide of the 20th century struck your own Armenian people.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARLOW: That service was commemorating 100 years since the Armenian massacres under the Ottoman Empire. Turkey has always denied it was genocide blaming the war, World War I specifically for deaths on both sides.

Almost immediately Turkey's foreign minister took to Twitter accusing the Pope of inciting hatred. The country has summoned its ambassador from the Vatican back to Turkey for consultation. Turkey's foreign ambassador -- former ambassador rather -- says that does not mean that diplomatic ties between the two are over.

Earlier I spoke with CNN senior Vatican analyst John Allen. And he says the Pope does not want to harm relations with Turkey at all.

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JOHN ALLEN, CNN SENIOR VATICAN ANALYST: This is a very important relationship with the Vatican. I mean one of Pope Francis's big picture, social and political objectives is to try to encourage moderates in the Islamic world to stand up and be counted in the struggle against violent extremism.

And he sees Turkey as a potential partner in that effort when he visited Turkey last November that the Vatican emphasized how important the outreach to that country and how important a potential partnership between Pope Francis and President Recep Erdogan might be. Erdogan basically offered the Pope a deal saying that if you fight Islamophobia in the West I will fight anti-Christian persecution in the Middle East. The Vatican wants to pursue that.

That said, I think everyone on the Vatican side knew that if the Pope used the G word, that is, if he invoked "genocide" today there would be blow back from the Turks. And I think he felt that on this occasion when you had the leadership of both the Catholic and Orthodox churches from Armenia in attendance in the ceremony in the Vatican, when you have the country's entire political class there, and at a time when anti-Christian persecution is a source of growing concern around the world and let's not forget the vast majority of Armenians who died a century ago were Christians. I think on this occasion, frankly, the Pope felt he simply couldn't blink. I expect he's going to find ways in the coming days to try to make it clear to Turkey that he sees them as a friend and not an enemy.

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HARLOW: John Allen there for us. Thank you, John. Appreciate it.

Coming up next: another deadly police shooting intensifying calls for all police officers to wear body cameras. We'll take a look at the benefits, the challenges and the big boon it would bring to some businesses. That's next.

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HARLOW: A sheriff deputy's mistake as he grabs for his Taser ends with a man dead. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On your stomach now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You hit him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I'm sorry.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: -- this video of an officer-involved shooting earlier this month. Authorities were recording a sting operation when a felon who -- on a felon rather when a reserve deputy shouted that he had a Taser, but instead of firing his Taser, investigators say the deputy mistakenly pulled the trigger on his gun.

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SGT. JIM CLARK, TULSA CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT: You can train someone as much as you can, and you train in every area that you can, but in times of crisis, sometimes training is not going to take you through the scenario.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: The reserve deputy involved in the shooting Robert Bates has been placed on administrative leave while this case is investigated.

Meantime prosecutors in North Charleston, South Carolina will be piecing together their case this week against Michael Slager, the police officer who shot and killed an unarmed man one week ago.

(VIDEO CLIP OF OFFICER SLAGER SHOOTING WALTER SCOTT IN THE BACK)

HARLOW: That was a total of eight shots fired at 50-year-old Walter Scott -- five of them hit him. The officer, Michael Slager had pulled Scott over for a broken taillight. Scott fled the car, the vehicle, he was shot. Initially Slager said he used a Taser gun on Scott and that Scott grabbed that Taser.

The Walter Scott shooting is reigniting some calls among many for law enforcement to be mandated to wear body cameras at all times while they're on duty. What do we know about the companies that manufacture these body cameras? Here's CNN Money correspondent Cristina Alesci.

CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Poppy.

We've all seen the video. The shooting in North Charleston was caught on a cell phone. But if the witness wasn't there or didn't hit "record" the headlines could have been drastically different.

Now those facts have renewed calls for police body cameras. The mayor of North Charleston says the city is ordering an additional 150 body cameras on top of the hundred the city already ordered. Now we've seen this move before following Ferguson, Rialto and right here in New York City. Here's the numbers for you: about 20 percent of the 18,000 police departments in the U.S. now have or will have the cameras. That is a boon for companies that make these high-quality devices. Namely, Taser and Digital Ally, shares of Taser jumped 7 percent on Thursday and the stock is up more than 50 percent over the last 12 months.

Now here's the thing, investors aren't just looking at current orders for body cameras, but they're seeing the number of controversial shootings on the rise so that's what's stoking the view that police departments are going to have to go down this road.

Now, Digital Ally also got a big boost from the news. Its shares rose 10 percent and it's up a whopping 170 percent over the past year. Now, this is a very difficult decision for city officials to make.

There are a lot of considerations such as privacy and costs and most importantly, what will the response from the police unions be? Remember, the models require officers to turn on the camera in order to record what's actually happening and as for the price, Taser's model goes from -

[19:30:11] Now storage plans for the devices are also expensive and they can cost up to $100, per officer, per month. Now there are cheaper models out there but this may be the case that you get what you pay for and that's why we're seeing such a big rise in the company's stock prices.

Some police departments are getting state and federal funding to help with that cost, but regardless it's still taxpayer money and with the social conversation growing louder, some departments are convinced the money is well spent and the companies that make these cameras are ready to supply them. Poppy?

HARLOW: Christina, thanks so much for that. Let's talk about it with Casey Jordan and she's here with me in New York, a criminologist and an attorney, also, former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes is in Washington.

Casey, to you first. People increasingly are pointing at these body cameras saying this makes sense. Why not mandate them? It's not as simple as that. Is it practical?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: It's practical for a number of reasons. And the biggest one that we're not talking about is the liability to the taxpayers who end up paying millions of dollars to people who are shot and there are no witnesses and they end up winning these lawsuits for millions and millions of dollars and we're going to see these continue to go on.

I think if you're talking about an $800 investment even if it's $1,000 to store the data, it's not only is a good perspective from liability reasons but I think officers will buy into it because it protects them from liability, as well.

HARLOW: Do you, Tom Fuentes, believe that they change behavior? TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRESPONDENT: I think, Poppy, they probably do and some of the departments have reported that they see, you know, a decrease in violence involving police in many situations. I, you know, this could work both ways, though because the individuals on camera as well, and I think that once these things are really out there and deployed on a larger basis, I think there's going to be a backlash from the people right now who are asking for them, wait a minute, you're violating my privacy. People are going to see that police run into individuals that behave so badly that in many cases people aren't going to like what they see.

HARLOW: But there are dash cameras, I mean there are dash cameras.

FUENTES: That's exactly right and the dash cameras have showed several instances of officers being gunned down the second they step out of their squad car when they make a traffic stop or a passenger and a driver simultaneously jumping out and opening fire killing the officers. You're right. The dash cams have shown some terrible things that people have done and I think the body cams will even show worse.

HARLOW: Ultimately, Casey, it's up to the officer -- I mean, there have been incidents where things have happened and officers have turned them off and then turned them back on and it's up to them to turn them on and there's also is the question should they have to wear them for the entire eight, 10, 12-hour shift that they're in a patrol car having casual conversations with their partner.

JORDAN: I think it's going to take a while for officers to adapt to this but I do think it's the wave of the future just like we've adapted to the idea that all police cars have dash cams or should have dash cams and the key is what you point out. They are subject to technical problems. They are subject to and human operation and human error.

They're not a magic bullet. They are going to be fuzzy videos, videos that are out of focus or pointed in the wrong direction and it doesn't solve our problem, but the idea for both the officer and the person that he or she is dealing with and they know that it's being recorded and I think you will gain respect on both ends of the spectrum and that your law enforcement process, just knowing that you could be being recorded could actually dissuade a lot of disrespect for officers and aggression and increased violence on behalf of officers.

HARLOW: Tom Fuentes, to you, if you're in the camp that wants these, should these be federally mandated and should this be state by state, a county by county, city by city decision?

FUENTES: I think Poppy the problem is that there are so many police departments across the country even in larger cities that are having tremendous budget problems. I think if you go with this Tulsa incident with the reserve officer involved in the arrest of a violent, gun-running criminal and they have a reservist out there, 73 years old that tells me they don't have as many police out there as they need and so to spend more money like this, you're right, it's going to be an initial, huge investment, but I agree that in the long run that it's going to save on claims against the police and pay for itself.

HARLOW: Guys, appreciate the discussion and it's an important one to have. We'll keep having it here. Absolutely. Thank you both. Appreciate it.

Coming up next, a new development for the race to the White House in 2016. Yes, we know Hillary Clinton has made it official and she's running but there is now new news in about what she's doing. A new move as part of her candidacy. The details are next.

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HARLOW: Some new developments in Hillary Clinton's newly announced White House bid. We just learned that shortly after declaring candidacy earlier today, she resigned from the Clinton Foundation Board of Directors.

That foundation, as you know, has come under scrutiny recently especially for some of the donations it has received from foreign countries. Right now the main focus for Clinton's camp is getting voters to know Hillary, the person. Here's CNN's Gloria Borger.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Poppy, for the past month I've been talking to some of the people who know Hillary Clinton best, and I've asked them what she's like off stage away from the cameras and why after three decades in the public eye she's choosing to run the presidential gauntlet for a second time.

Here's what they told me.

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BORGER (voice-over): Unless you've been living on another planet for the last few decades, there's one political star that's been unavoidably present.

GOV. TERRY MCAULIFFE (D), VIRGINIA: Not too many people with the one name, Hillary, a few others, Madonna and a few others, but everybody knows Hillary.

BORGER: Maybe not as well as close friend, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, but well enough to be on a first-name basis as in Hillary, the young Watergate committee lawyer. Hillary, first lady of Arkansas and first lady of the United States. Hillary, senator from New York, and presidential candidate, Hillary, secretary of state and presidential candidate.

HILLARY CLINTON: I'm running for president.

BORGER: It was a decision that surprised absolutely no one. Least of all, old family friend and adviser Paul Begala.

PAUL BEGALA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: It's not just I have to do this, I have to make history and I have to be the big shot and they have to play "hail to the chief" when I walk in the room.

SEN. DIANE FEINSTEIN (D), CALIFORNIA: She doesn't need it. But she wants it and she's put a lifetime into herself in a way in preparation for it.

BORGER: It was clear, even back at Yale Law School in the '70s when she met this fellow.

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BILL CLINTON, FMR. U.S. PRESIDENT: I actually tried to talk Hillary into leaving me when we were in law school. It's the god's truth.

You have more talent for public service than anybody in my generation that I have met and I should not stand in your way, you should do this. And she looked at me and laugh and she said "Oh Bill, I'll never run for office."

BORGER: She was the original good wife, writing her own role.

HILLARY CLINTON: This health security card will represent a right of every citizen --

BORGER: And public defender in chief.

HILLARY CLINTON: Is this vast right wing conspiracy.

BORGER: Despite a brutal personal struggle.

(on camera): What did you learn about Hillary Clinton when you went through some of the tougher times?

MCAULIFFE: It was tough. This was about their family and she wanted to keep it about their family. You know, when tough times come, she's able to deal with it and deal with it herself and is able to continue to move on.

BORGER (voice-over): An essential skill, says Democrat Bill Daley who has managed both the presidential candidate and a White House.

BILL DALEY, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Well, I don't know what they could say about her that hasn't been said about her in the past, in a negative sense, so, you know, she's got a pretty strong shield around her.

BORGER: It's a shield that can keep the voters at arm's elect. So that after all these years in the public eye there's still something elusive about Hillary Clinton. BEGALA: People who have never met either of them, very clear sense of

who Bill Clinton is. They call him Bill. Do you think he'd like to have a barbecue with us?

With Hillary, there is a distance.

BORGER: The plan is to have the voters meet the real Hillary, the warm one. Virtually one-on-one.

BEGALA: Nobody -- nobody I've ever seen better at that. So they can finally see the woman her friends describe.

MCAULIFFE: A lot of fun. Tremendous amount of fun and she's got a great belly laugh. She and I will sit out on vacation talking policy, might have a cocktail or two, you know? I mean she's a load of fun to be with.

FEINSTEIN: I think she's a very complete person, but I think the most important thing is that what her experience has given her, you know? We have men who come here for one or two years and get a few puff pieces and they go out and run for president.

BORGER: That's a far cry from Hillary Clinton's long and sometimes controversial story.

HILLARY CLINTON: I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had tea.

BORGER (on camera): You know, she comes with baggage and there are negative perceptions about the Clintons as paranoid, too protected and even arrogant that came up during the whole e-mail controversy.

Will that matter?

DALEY: I think the misconceptions, there are certain people that are -- that are fixing those, with those beliefs and they've been for 25 years. You're not going to change them. What you've got to do is basically talk to the future about what you want to do with the country.

HILLARY CLINTON: Thank you!

BORGER (voice-over): In 2008, Clinton ran on her resume.

HILLARY CLINTON: I will bring a lifetime of experience.

BORGER: And the campaign let the woman thing take a backseat.

BEGALA: I do think the last time she ran they tried very hard to keep it a secret, but she is a girl.

BORGER (on camera): That she's a woman.

BEGALA: Right. That she is a woman.

BORGER: Do you think that tug of history is very strong?

FEINSTEIN: I think she knows she carries the cause, and if a very qualified woman can hold that job and perform well, that's a big thing.

BORGER: Do you think it will be harder for a woman to run for president even in 2016? FEINSTEIN: Oh, I think it is harder, and I think she knows it's harder, and women are tested in ways that men are not, and that's another discussion.

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BORGER: It certainly is, and I'm sure we'll be having that discussion at length as Hillary Clinton hits the campaign trail, Poppy?

HARLOW: Fascinating piece, Gloria. Thank you so much for that.

Well, coming up next, I am pleased to be joined by legendary journalist Carl Bernstein who talked to hundreds of Hillary Clinton friends and colleagues for his book, "A Woman in Charge," Carl Bernstein joins me next.

Also, Warren Buffett, he told me he is a huge Hillary fan but even though he can afford to write a big check for her campaign he's not going to do it. Next, how Buffett said he would help her raise plenty of money, though.

[19:45:00] HARLOW: An editor at "New York" magazine once described Hillary Clinton as a building without a door. No matter how many times you walk around it there seems no way to know what exactly is inside.

Legendary journalist and CNN political commentator Carl Bernstein is with me and he accepted that challenge when he wrote his book in 2008 "A Woman in Charge." He joins me now. Thanks for being here.

CARL BERNSTEIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good to be here.

HARLOW: A pleasure to have you on.

When you think about Hillary Clinton from back then and you think about Hillary Clinton now, obviously her camp is putting forward a very different image of her. Has the woman changed? Has the candidate changed?

BERNSTEIN: I don't think they're putting a different image. I think she's fairly consistent through most of her life. She's very able. She's very funny, she's warm, personable, fun to be with and she can get mad as hell and she's got a serious politics. She's not wrong about the nature of her enemies. She's not been particularly wise in terms of how she has engaged and dealt with her enemies, perhaps. She's not wrong about the press altogether.

The press will probably be her real opponent in this campaign. They're going to give her more trouble, perhaps, than the Republicans are and she's also really knows the issues in this country and she was part of a co-presidency and if there is going to be another Clinton White House it will be a co-presidency to some extent and we've never had anything quite like this.

HARLOW: You wrote in your book quote "Hillary Rodham Clinton has always had a difficult relationship with the truth. She has often chosen to obfuscate, omit and avoid. It is an understatement by now that she has been known to apprehend truths about herself and the events of her life that others do not exactly share."

How does she move beyond that? How does she convince the electorate that she is an open book. She is transparent?

BERNSTEIN: I don't think she is going to convince the electorate.

HARLOW: Doesn't she need to?

BERNSTEIN: She is an open book and transparent. I don't know of any politicians really who are open books and transparent, but she does have this problem and she does have this baggage. Look, Hillary Clinton is sui (ph) generous, one of kind, she's the most famous woman in the world. She's been around now for 35 years in our public consciousness.

[19:50:01] She's looked at as a superstar on the level of Madonna, on the level of nobody else in the world, really. And she's judged differently. She's going to go after the Republicans.

She's going to make the Republicans the real issue in this campaign and how she can relate better to the American people, to people who need help. Those in the middle class. Those in the working class. And she's got a real record to run on on this.

The question is how will people take to her with some of this baggage? How will she explain some of this baggage? If you read "A Woman in Charge, The Life of Hillary Clinton" you begin to understand the whole arc of her life, having a father who was abusive to her mother. A misenthrope. You begin to understand the marriage better. It's a great tale.

And if she opens herself up to telling the tale as it really happened, if she says, "yes, that's the story of my life," I think she's going to be able to move on a lot better than if she continues trying to conceal, fight, et cetera.

But the real question is how are the Republicans going to deal with her? And right now they're already over the top, it sounds like, in many of the things we've heard today. And that could backfire.

HARLOW: Let me ask you this. You're about as good a political journalist as you get. So we know Hillary Clinton hasn't agreed to do any interviews right now. But Carl, if you were to sit down with her today, tonight, what you ask her? What would be the number one question?

BERNSTEIN: Tell me the most important things in your life. I'd sit there and listen. I'd like to know how she'd respond, how quick she'd respond. I'd like to see how she goes. I'm a great believer in letting people tell their stories and then we hear what it is they really want to say. That would be my questioning. And what she emphasizes.

HARLOW: Does she like to campaign? BERNSTEIN: No. She's never liked campaigning. One of the things

about today's announcement, you know, the real job today is like the medical profession. Do no harm. She did it. She did no harm. She got out there. And she did it in a very interesting way. I was kind of surprised.

HARLOW: They didn't show the video till the very end.

BERNSTEIN: It was very skillful. And again, it set the chattering classes off. It made the Republicans a little crazy already today. But, look. It's one day. We've got 19 months to go in this. And we're going to get to know her, or she's not going to let us. And that has been a real problem up till now is that she hasn't let us know her in full.

HARLOW: You I -- it sounds like you think that is her number one challenge, even more than foreign policy issues, Benghazi, et cetera.

BERNSTEIN: Look, I don't think Benghazi is going to be a problem with independent voters. I think so far we know what happened at Benghazi. There has been great reporting on it. We've seen the reports. I don't think that's going to be -- that's not going to appeal to most voters.

HARLOW: So it's Hillary, here's my story.

BERNSTEIN: Well, I think it's Hillary, here's my story. Here's what I want to do as president of the United States. Here's why I can do a better job than the Republicans. And that's where she can go to town. You know, she voted for the war in Iraq.

HARLOW: Yes.

BERNSTEIN: And that's not helpful. And at the same time, she has some explanations for it. That might sound good. I'm not sure how good they are. The most disastrous war in our history. But look at what -- you know, she was a terrific secretary of state in many, many ways. A great ambassador for the country. She was also shut out by President Obama from real policy-making. So there's a lot to learn. And we're going to get to see who she is, and the Republicans are going to try and convince us that she's somebody of their picture.

HARLOW: Well, we have 575 more days to figure out more about who she is.

BERNSTEIN: Is that how many it is?

HARLOW: It is. "A Woman in Charge." Carl Bernstein, if you haven't read it yet, you're going to want to read it. Real pressure. Thank you, sir.

BERNSTEIN: Good to be here. Thank you.

HARLOW: Thank you for coming on.

Well in modern politics, the name of the game in many ways is who can raise the most cash. Texas Republican Ted Cruz announced his candidacy just a few weeks ago. "The New York Times" reports he has already raked in at least $31 million in his Super Pac. Who could match that for Hillary Clinton?

Warren Buffett, for one. I asked him about money in politics and Clinton.

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HARLOW (on camera): You've been a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton.

WARREN BUFFETT: I still am.

HARLOW: You still are. You've told me multiple times you want her to be the next president.

BUFFETT: I hope so.

HARLOW: Of the United States. She's faced headwinds recently, particularly over her e-mails while at the State Department. Has it changed your view at all?

BUFFETT: No, no. I'd like to see her e-mails, too, Poppy. There's a curiosity factor. But no. What I care about is what she believes in and her ability to get what she believes and turned it into law.

HARLOW: Do you think she's going to be the next president?

BUFFETT: I think so.

[19:55:00] HARLOW: Last year you donated $25,000 to a group supporting Hillary Clinton. Is that right?

BUFFETT: Right.

HARLOW: And you have told me before that you really don't like Super Pacs.

BUFFETT: Yes. Yes. I -- that's -- it's a good one because I did not know it was a Super Pac. I asked -- they had a maximum. Which was $25,000. I didn't -- you know, I think of Super Pacs as these things with hundreds or thousands or millions. I did not know it was a Super Pac.

I am not for super pacs, but it's absolutely true that I contributed $25,000, which I later found out was a super pac. That is not yet into the millions of dollars that I associate it with.

HARLOW: But, I mean, it's an indication of how much you are a supporter of hers.

BUFFETT: I support her. But I would not -- I would not write a huge check.

HARLOW: You wouldn't. BUFFETT: I would go out and raise money for her. I mean, I'd be

delighted to do that. And I would hope to do it. I did some of that in 2008. But I just don't believe that the election should be decided by the super rich.

HARLOW: By the super rich like you.

BUFFETT: Yes.

HARLOW: What does money and politics do to this democracy, the super rich? What does it do if everyone in your income bracket did write checks as big as they wanted? A lot of them do.

BUFFETT: You'd have a lot of people in Congress who would be listening to them, that's for sure. No, you can't blame anybody. If you pour your heart and soul into running for election and your opponent's outspending you, obviously it's very tempting to take a very big check for somebody who has a special interest. But I think it is counter to our ideas of democracy to allow unlimited campaign contributions.

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HARLOW: That is Warren Buffett's take.

Finally tonight, big news from the Masters. 21-year-old Jordan Spieth becomes the second youngest player to ever don the elusive green jacket. Listen to the crowd erupt. He is just a few months older than Tiger Woods when he won it the first time around.

Spieth also finished 18 under par, tying Tiger Woods for the lowest score ever at Augusta National. Woods was, by the way, finished 17th this time all around.

Coming up tonight on CNN, "FINDING JESUS: MARY MAGDALENE." That is next. And don't miss back-to-back episodes of the fascinating series "Bill Weir's The Wonder List."

Thanks so much for being with me, everyone. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Have a great night and a good week.

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