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Family Experiences ISIS' Brutality First-Hand And Lived To Tell About It; Jodi Arias Sentenced; 73-Year-Old Reserve Deputy Shot And Killed Suspect; Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired April 13, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: So you mention casing on the street, but to your point, here they're apparently -- like, they disabled the elevator on the second floor, dropped down the shaft, have some kind of device where they're able to go through six feet of concrete. They knew what they were doing. How much prep work does that require?

LARRY LAWTON, FORMER JEWEL THEFT: A lot. I mean, I would do a robbery myself and it would take weeks just to plan it out, and nothing as elaborate as what they did. But again, if they didn't have inside information, Brooke, it would really be impossible to do -- I'm waiting to see when they really take this puzzle apart and where it leads to and who it leads to, whether it's an employee there or maybe somebody who works in a store close by who can say who's coming and going with bags of jewelry, owners of jewelry stores or big stuff like that.

So there has to be a connection there. They didn't just pick a jewelry place and say, hey, let's rob this place and plan it out that much. There has to be an inside connection.

BALDWIN: So not only, though, not only -- and I think the word was audacious that British police used, the fact they did this once, they then returned for a second night to steal even more jewels.

LAWTON: You know, that doesn't shock me, Brooke, because once you secure the place and you know your time frames and you know when cops are coming and if they got you or not, yes, you might be on edge, but a professional is not going to. They already have it timed out. They know when somebody was notified. So I don't see them being that scared. I once was in a store for over 40 minutes while police were out front. So it didn't scare me. That didn't scare me.

BALDWIN: That didn't scare you? Come on. Forty minutes with cops outside.

LAWTON: Well, it didn't because I knew they weren't there for me. They were there for another situation. They were actually parked in front looking at a crosswalk for traffic people. But I couldn't leave the store. So it didn't scare me because I had it all planned out, how I was going to get out, what my route was.

They had this thing timed, planned. And it doesn't shock me. They probably figured it would take a few days to get to the boxes they need. Maybe they didn't get to the ones they thought they were going to get to in the beginning and had to come back and get those boxes, which might have been the big money.

Remember, Brooke, in diamonds or jewels, you could put a small amount of jewels in a bag that are worth, like you said, $100 million. So it's not a cash thing. They had to know what was in some of those boxes.

BALDWIN: They had to know. They had to know exactly where it was. If they were this good, what's the likelihood they're going to get caught?

LAWTON: Well, you know, whenever you have this amount of people, Brooke, and you have at minimum, they say six, I would say has to be eight to be ten people, people on the outside monitoring maybe police waves, that's just the ones they named with their nicknames.

With that amount of people, anything can happen. You know, there's an old saying. Two can keep a secret -- three can keep a secret if two are dead. Now, I don't know what's going to happen in this situation, but I'll tell you, with that many people knowing, something can always go wrong. That's what the police are waiting for.

BALDWIN: That's a lot of money. Larry Lawton, thank you --

LAWTON: You know --

BALDWIN: Go ahead.

LAWTON: You know, Brooke, you say the money. Now they have to get rid of the money. If it's diamonds, which they're assuming it is, they have to get rid of that. They have to have a fence or there's a whole other aspect to this crime that they had to have planned out. You wouldn't do this robbery unless you had all of that planned out. And there's more people that are involved and more people that can get caught or get you caught. So I think they're going to come up with something.

BALDWIN: But it is like you think about, you know, you hear about museum heists and people stealing precious paintings. I mean, you can't just roll up with a money and expect to get money for it because somebody has to know there's something fishy there if I roll up with a really huge piece of diamond, how would they even get money for that?

LAWTON: Well, you know, Brooke, getting rid of diamonds in the diamond business is pretty easy. Let's say it's not the most upstanding business there is. They're all trying to -- you know, there's a big markup on diamonds. If the guys who did this robbery, if they get 30 percent, so they get $30 million out of $100 million score of retail. Let's look at that. And then it goes down the chain. So you can get rid of diamonds. If I had a bag of diamonds, I could get rid of a bag of diamonds easy today.

BALDWIN: I'll take your word for it. Larry Lawton, appreciate your expertise. Thank you.

LAWTON: Have a good day, Brooke.

BALDWIN: You too.

Coming up next here on CNN, he said he meant to use his taser, but instead he fired his gun. The 73-year-old reserve deputy sex planning his actions that left this man dead. There on the sidewalk. The incident partly captured by this police body camera. We'll play it for you.

Plus a woman who escaped ISIS captivity with her three children is now sharing her story with our Arwa Damon here. How she found a cell phone and secretly called her husband and escaped in the middle of the night. She describes the fear she felt.

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[15:39:46] BALDWIN: A new ISIS propaganda video appears to confirm what Iraqi and U.N. officials warned the world about last month. It purportedly shows ISIS militants hammering, bulldozing, and blowing up parts of an ancient Syrian city of (INAUDIBLE). The archeological site more than 3,000 years old is about 20 miles from Mosul, ISIS' main stronghold in Iraq The U.N. has called this type of attack on ancient relics, quote," a war crime.

ISIS has vowed to destroy these artifacts and idols that were worshipped instead of God. But the same group has also been looting archaeological sites to support its thriving illegal trade in antiques. A family that's experienced ISIS' brutality first hand and lived to tell about it is now speaking out to us here at CNN. They were taken from their home and forced to work in a massive is prison.

CNN's senior international correspondent Arwa Damon tells us how they managed to make it out alive.

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ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A suffocating fear has chased most of these yazidi refugees into Iraqi Kurdistan. Fear not just for themselves but for their loved ones still captive with ISIS. Those we spoke to asked we conceal their identities. Mahmoud was not home when ISIS arrived in Sinjar last August. The fighters took his wife, Aslam, three children, the youngest just a month old at the time, and his parents.

They forced us at gunpoint into big trailer trucks, (INAUDIBLE) recalls. They wrote everyone's name down and asked who wants to work as a farmer, cleaner, or herder. The family chose to herd goats. They were taken to a village whose residents had fled and put to work.

At the start, there were a lot of tears and fear, but then we got used to it, (INAUDIBLE) says. Two men who tried to escape were beaten and dragged to death behind a car. The village was their prison.

For two months, Mahmoud did not know if his family was dead or arrive. Then (INAUDIBLE) found a cell phone left in the house and called him. She said, we are alive, but we are prisoners. One day ISIS fighters appeared and took her in-laws. We didn't know

where they were taking them, she tells us. We thought we would be next, so we decided, this is it. We survive or we don't.

She fled with her children, part of a group of 31 under cover of darkness. Walking, they could only hope, towards freedom. When the sun started to come up, I thought, that's it, we are going to get caught, and what am I going to do with the kids, she remembers asking herself. I can't carry all three of them and run. Luckily, she never had to. The couple can't find the words to describe the moment they were reunited. But the fate of Mahmoud's parents remained unknown.

Two days later, that question was answered. ISIS released 217 yazidis, many of them elderly. Exactly why, they don't know. ISIS moved them around for six terrifying days before setting them free. Among them were Mahmoud's parents.

We didn't know if they were going to slaughter us or what they were going to do with us, his father says.

Of course, I was so happy, I couldn't believe that I was in the home of the enemy facing death and then got away, his mother adds.

(INAUDIBLE) own parents are still held by ISIS. She cannot escape the haunting memories of all she witnessed and went through. (INAUDIBLE) was saying that the hardest moment for her in all of this was when the ISIS fighters began taking away the little girls, the young women, to be used as sex slaves, and they would at times tear these girls away from their mothers, dragging them off by their hair as they were screaming and shouting.

She was spared. I would hide or I would stay dirty, and I was breast- feeding, she says. That is what ultimately saved her. We're told that ISIS slavery rules prohibit the use of women who are breast- feeding for sex. The thought of those that are is what torments her most.

Arwa Damon, CNN, Saudi refugee camp, Iraq.

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BALDWIN: Arwa Damon, thank you.

Next here on CNN, another deadly police-involved shooting. A reserve deputy says he meant to use his taser but instead fired his gun. That story and the video next.

Plus, Jodi Arias now knows her fate. She has been waiting nearly two years to be sentenced. Two juries couldn't decide, but today a judge made the call. That moment straight ahead here on CNN.

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[15:48:53] BALDWIN: A 73-year-old reserve deputy shot and killed a suspect after he says he confused his gun for his taser, and it's all on tape. It happened earlier this month during a sting operation in Tulsa County, Oklahoma. The suspect, Eric Harris, was about to be arrested for allegedly selling an illegal weapon when Harris tried to get away. You see him on this tape, you see him running. We're going to play this for you. But just a warning, I mean, you'll see the final moments of this man's life, which is obviously disturbing in and of itself. The faces of the officers in the video have been blocked because they work undercover. Here you go.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop right there! (Bleep)! Roll on your stomach, now!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, (bleep)! Oh, (bleep)! He shot me! He shot him, he shot him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop fighting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot me! He shot me!

(Bleep)!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot me! He shot me, man! Oh, my God. I'm losing --

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[15:50:15] BALDWIN: All right. I gave got Ed Lavandera with me on the phone. He's there. And Ed, I am saying, just talked to the PIO, the public information office, for the sheriff's office. What did he say? How did he explain this?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Hey Brooke, as you were playing the videotape we just got breaking news now. We gotten word from the Tulsa County district attorney office that the reserve deputy, man by the name of Robert Bates, 73 years old, will be charged with second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death that occurred during his undercover operation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, back on April 2nd.

So this just information that we've got over, received from the Tulsa County district attorney's office. And as I'm speaking also trying to read the email that came along with it. But that is the main headline, that this deputy has been charged with second-degree manslaughter in this case.

Obviously, the sheriff's department, who we just finished speaking with a little while ago, had recommended to the district attorney that they not -- that no charges be filed against him, that this was an excusable offense in a situation that occurred given the dynamic of the dangerous situation that these deputies found themselves in. But this is -- this is just the breaking news we're getting now, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Alright, I mean, you could hear on the tape. We are showing pictures of this reserve officer. You know, you hear him say, I'm sorry, this is a mistake. And that was sort of the line from the investigator. And so this is huge that you are now telling me from the D.A.'s office that he will be charged with second-degree manslaughter.

Were you able to get any more information as far how this could have happened? How an officer who presumably would be trained, used an actual gun instead of a taser?

LAVANDERA: Well, first people need to understand the different terminologies here. Mr. Bates was a reserve deputy with the Tulsa County sheriff's department. This is different from a full-fledged deputy, but sheriff officials that we spoke with say that Mr. Bates had gone through extensive training more than 300 hours' worth of training, that he was a certified reserve deputy in the state of Oklahoma and essentially he could operate with any other law enforcement official. So he had the ability to make arrests, make traffic stops, work in any kind of capacity just like a regular deputy with the sheriff's department.

Now the amount of training he had, and we haven't seen the full documents. We requested those. We have not received those yet. But Mr. Bates did not -- would not have gotten the exact amount of training that a full-fledged deputy would have had, but authorities here say that he had received extensive training and was working fully with his rights in this capacity to work in a situation like that.

BALDWIN: All right. Well, you said it. Over 300 hours of training, Ed Lavandera with breaking news this reserve deputy with the Tulsa sheriff's department now being charged with second-degree manslaughter. I'm sure we will have much more on this as the story develops through the afternoon into the evening.

Ed Lavandera, thank you so much for that reporting.

Next, Jodi Arias back in court to finally learn her fate two years after being convicted. We will tell you what a judge has now decided, next.

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[15:57:33] BALDWIN: What happens when marijuana meets capitalism? States like Colorado are finding out now. You have these two young entrepreneurs having their site set on being marijuana moguls. Here is another look at new original series called "High Profits."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're parasites.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have got no contribution to this society.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are playing on our community and our kids. This is going to end badly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have got exactly $100,000 in cash back in his car, I bet there's guys in prison right there for doing just what we're going to do?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want the (INAUDIBLE)-. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a big boy operation now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are going after every resort town in Colorado.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a big wave operation now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're not Amsterdam. We're Breckenridge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is absolutely unbelievable to us this happens so quickly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's when the town erupted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think we have an image to protect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The powerful elite has definitely put the pressure on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone is playing everyone. They're going to have a target on their back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is a real threat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's $2 billion to be had next year. I plan to get my father share.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: High profits series premieres Sunday night April 19th at 10:00.

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BALDWIN: Convicted murderer Jodi Arias will spend the rest of her life in prison and never, ever, be eligible for parole. An Arizona judge handed down the census for the 34-year-old. Arias had been waiting for the ruling since the jury found her guilty of 2008 murder of her boyfriend, Travis Alexander. That same jury could not agree on if Arias should get the death penalty.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court finds that mitigation preventive if not sufficiently substantial to call for leniency and a natural life sentence is appropriate. It is ordered the defendant shall be incarcerated in the department of corrections for the rest of her natural life with no possibility of parole.

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BALDWIN: Before the judge's ruling Travis Alexander's family tearfully addressed the court then Arias said she was prepared to accept the worst possible outcome.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know you have seen the pain that she put my brother through and how she smeared his name falsely. And I want the pain that she put our family through -- and I hope that you can give her the maximum that you possibly can give her because she deserves nothing more.

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BALDWIN: Arias also says she was truly disgusted and repulse (ph) by what she did.

I'm Brooke Baldwin here in New York. Thank you so much for watching. I will be back tonight, 10:00 eastern for Don Lemon on "CNN TONIGHT."

In the meantime, "THE LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts now.