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Aired April 14, 2015 - 15:00   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Big picture, how do you see all of this?

LAMORNE MORRIS, "NEW GIRL": It's terrible. It's not a good situation. I felt like I should wear a bulletproof vest when I came here to speak to you. But it's --

BALDWIN: You're kidding, right?

MORRIS: Again, like I said -- I am kidding. I will leave that to 50 Cent.

But I just thought when you walk down the street, you get a little worried. You get a little worried because you don't know if today could be my day, although it's -- it's strange. It's strange to see that we're in 2015 and people still have to march and preach and #blacklivesmatter. Duh.

Why do I have to -- why do I have to tweet this? It's crazy that this is still going on. And it's really upsetting.

BALDWIN: I really appreciate you coming on and talking to me about this. Lamorne Morris, thank you so much from "New Girl."

MORRIS: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Let's continue on. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

And we begin with that volunteer sheriff's deputy who admitted he shot and killed a man by accident, confusing his gun for his Taser. Today, 73-year-old Robert Bates turned himself in, as his attorney spoke out about the second-degree manslaughter charge his client now faces.

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CLARK BREWSTER, ATTORNEY FOR ROBERT BATES: We will deficit this in a court of law. And that's what we're going to do.

And when he has the opportunity to speak at the conclusion of the case, he will do so, OK? Thank you very much.

(CROSSTALK)

QUESTION: -- feel about the charges?

BREWSTER: I feel that they're unwarranted and shouldn't have been brought.

QUESTION: Clark, can you talk about how this -- his benevolence has somehow turned out to be something evil?

BREWSTER: Yes. That's a surprising thing. They have taken fact that this man has been good to the community and has been benevolent to the community and has been a great citizen for our town and made it something bad or sinister.

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BALDWIN: Now, the last part of that statement refers to the donations Robert Bates made in the past to the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office, as well as contributions he made to the sheriff's reelection campaign. He's been a reserve deputy for the county since 2008.

He posted his $25,000 bond. He left the jail. Earlier this month, officials say he was acting as support for this undercover sting operation when 44-year-old Eric Harris up and ran. Other deputies managed to tackle him, and that is when Bates fired his .357, instead of his Taser, as he intended.

I want to play the video for you, the moment it happened. Just a warning, it's disturbing video.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roll on your stomach now.

(GUNSHOT)

ROBERT BATES, DEFENDANT: Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) He shot me. He shot him.

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop fighting.

(CROSSTALK)

ERIC HARRIS, VICTIM: He shot me. He shot me. He shot me.

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BALDWIN: With me now, Dylan Goforth, staff reporter for "The Tulsa World" paper there in Tulsa. And also with me, Evan Wagner, who is a reserve deputy in the Los Angeles area.

So, gentlemen, just I want to welcome both of you.

And, Evan, let me point out you're here speaking just for yourself. You're not in any way representing your department. So I just wanted to get that out there.

But to you first, can you just explain to all of us who aren't as aware, as a reserve deputy sheriff, what's your job, how much training have you received?

EVAN WAGNER, RESERVE DEPUTY SHERIFF: As a reserve deputy sheriff, I have received about 1,000 hours of training here in California. I think in Oklahoma it's probably about 550 or so. Looks like that's what the full-time deputies and officers get.

As a reserve deputy sheriff, I'm a full-time equivalent, meaning I have the same training as any other officer or deputy in California. I should say we do have different levels of reserves. So, there's -- without going into all the weeds, you do have some reserves who have received less training, and they're not allowed to be in the field. Their activities are more limited. I'm not sure what was the case for Mr. Bates.

BALDWIN: He had more than 100 hours training. I know that, having talked to his attorney.

Let me ask you this. And this is the big hypothetical, the if. But if you were in that situation in Tulsa, if you were supposed to play this support role, you know, work inventory after this arrest and have nothing to do with the arrest, you're in your patrol car, you see the suspect running toward you, what would you have done? Would you have jumped out, interceded, helped in the tackle?

WAGNER: You know, it's always -- always -- as officers, we're always cautious about trying to judge what other people did when they were situations that we were not in.

BALDWIN: Of course.

WAGNER: Having said, that I think the important thing with reserves, particularly because there are different levels of reserves and different competency levels, you have to do work that is appropriate to what you have been trained and what you're expected to do.

If he was expected to stay in the car, he needed to do that. It sounds like the other officers had it handled. But we're just seeing a small snippet of video here.

BALDWIN: You're right. You're right.

Dylan, to you, your paper is demanding a more thorough vetting of these reserve deputies. Tell me exactly what "Tulsa World" wants.

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DYLAN GOFORTH, "TULSA WORLD": Well, reading the editorial today, they basically just want a review of the program. I mean, I think the sheriff's office said that they review it every year. I think maybe that the editorial writers, they weren't maybe completely satisfied with maybe this yearly review and just sort of let's take a deeper look at it. BALDWIN: Can you just tell me a little bit more about Robert Bates'

past? Because I have talked to his attorney, said, yes, he was actually an officer the Tulsa City Police Department, but then when you dig a little deeper, you learn it was apparently only for one year in the '60s. Do we know why it was just for one year? And what else -- what did he do beyond that?

GOFORTH: No, we don't know why it was a year. I think the records were old enough that we haven't received them yet. It was the year from '64 to '65. He became an insurance salesman. He was an insurance executive in the meantime, a wealthy insurance guy.

BALDWIN: And then flash forward to 2008, joined the Violent Crimes Task Force as this reserve deputy, gave money for the sheriff's election. And here it brings us to today.

Evan, final question to you. He is 73 years old. I understand you are raising some eyebrows about his age.

WAGNER: Yes, you know, I think the first thing to say is reserve programs are a huge asset nationwide. Reserves, they perform, you know, just an enormous service to the community.

At my own agency, they perform something like $7 million in free labor per year. They take a lot of people to jail.

BALDWIN: Wow.

WAGNER: A lot of bad people to jail. They save lots and lots lives.

At the same time, you have to be trained for the situations that you're in. And I think as we talk about professionalism within law enforcement over the past year and going forward, we have to talk about standardization. We have 18,000 police departments across this country. And a lot of them do things their own way.

I think standardization and holding people to account is probably what we should be looking at next. I don't think it's just about reserves. I think it's about law enforcement standardization in general.

BALDWIN: Evan Wagner, Dylan Goforth, thank you both very much.

WAGNER: Thank you.

BALDWIN: The fate of the Iran nuclear deal may hinge on what's happening right now Capitol Hill. You have Republicans, you have Democrats, they have reached this deal, agreeing on this bipartisan bill that would give them power to accept or reject any final nuclear deal with Iran.

We have just heard that if it stays in its current form, the White House will not, will not veto it.

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JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We have moved from a place where the president was looking at a piece of legislation that he was committed to vetoing. And after the Republican chairman working closely with the Democratic ranking member, Ben Cardin, have agreed to address a large number of the concerns that we have raised, and to put in place a substantial number of changes that would address those concerns and provide the kind of clarity we need to give our negotiators the time and space to try to reach an agreement, that that would be the kind of compromise that the president would be willing to sign.

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BALDWIN: What are some of these changes to the bill?

Let me run through some of this. They have resolved key some sticking points, shortening the time in which Congress can review any final nuclear agreement and scrapping language that would have required President Obama certify that Iran is not supporting acts of terrorism. That's something the White House and a number of Democrats considered impractical and unrelated to the nuclear issues.

At the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, now debating it here is Senator -- chair of this committee, Senator Corker, discussing all of this here in Washington. You know, this is a decision on whether it has been approved. It could come down any minute, this committee vote. And then it goes on the bigger vote. We're watching it. We will bring it as soon as it happens.

Coming up next, though, my goodness, midair. You have these passengers on this plane begin to hear kicking and screaming through the floor below these floorboards of this plane, this airport luggage worker who had fallen asleep in the cargo hold. Hear what happened next.

And he is only 21 years young, but the man who's got America talking, the winner of the Masters, will join me live on set to talk about life, his sister's inspiring story and that guy Tiger Woods.

And fireworks inside a courtroom over one of America's biggest school cheating scandals, this judge finally sentencing nearly a dozen educators.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sit down or I'm going to put you in jail. If you yell at me, point at me --

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BALDWIN: I have got some breaking news here.

The stakes just got higher in the warming of relations now between the United States and Cuba. President Obama has just made a move to remove Cuba from the terror list. The White House -- just breaking news from the tweet, the White House National Security Press Office tweeting, president submitted to Congress statutorily required and report certifications indicating administration's intent to rescind Cuba's state sponsor of terror designation.

And this is the picture that went all around just from a couple of days ago. This was when Raul Castro and President Barack Obama met. That was down in Panama a couple of days ago. Keep in mind the historic significance of this, the last time leaders in the two nations met. That was 50 years ago, some big news here in taking Cuba off that list.

BALDWIN: Meantime, let's talk about this airport worker, shall we? A Seattle airport worker decided to take a little snooze, a nap on the job. But when he woke up, he found out he was trapped inside the luggage compartment of the plane that was already in the air.

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The jet was an Alaska Air flight headed to Los Angeles. When the worker realized what happened, he started screaming. Apparently, he was banging on the cargo door. In fact, passengers on the other side of the floorboard in the plane heard these cries, heard the banging 14 minutes into the flight. One passenger started recording cell phone video of the air marshal on board trying to talk to the employee through the floorboard.

The plane turned around, made an emergency landing. The baggage handler appeared to be OK after this whole ordeal.

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TROY G., PASSENGER: Just kept banging, just kept banging, kept banging. And then at some point, the marshal kind of made himself known and started banging back and he yelled really loud and said: "We're getting ready to land. Hold on to something."

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BALDWIN: Joining me now from Miami, air security expert Edward Miceli.

Edward, listen, I understand that this worker apparently was on the job in the wee hours of the morning, but, still, come on now. How does this happen?

EDWARD MICELI, AVIATION SAFETY ANALYST: Brooke, good afternoon.

Although many people and myself, when we first heard about it, we believed it was just another isolated case or 15 minutes of fame, I would call it, it is very serious. Obviously, a plane that closes its doors with an unaccounted passenger on board, whether it's on the aircraft cargo hold or in the cabin, is nothing to laugh about.

And it not the first time it happens. Remember , couple years ago, we had the incident with this teenager who flew from California to Hawaii inside an airplane belly. He got out of the compartment, asked for a cell phone and called his relatives to come and pick him up.

I think there's a lot to go back and rethink, especially when it comes to airport security and TSA and local airport authorities, because this is not a joking matter.

BALDWIN: It's not joking. And I don't -- I marvel. I have a hard time wrapping my head around how this can even happen. And the fact that I imagine being one of the passengers hearing the banging through my floorboard and I would be thinking, what?

But at the same time, how -- when you talk about rethinking airport security, I have to go through all these different machines, I'm taking my shoes off, I can't take my water with me. What more needs to be done? How -- again, I go back, how can this happen?

MICELI: Precisely. That is the right question, Brooke.

All the security at the airport is targeted and focused into the main terminal. That's where 80 percent of law enforcement is. And, as you already said, there's a lot going on, passengers being told to take the shoes off, the sterile areas, and all these security procedures are made, as we call it, to make sure the passenger feels safe.

But there's a lot of things happening outside the passenger view, for example, the access to the ramp. Service vehicles which come from outside the airport property, I have yet to see a good checkpoint at these locations to check each vehicle that comes into the airport. It's not being done. And these vehicles have access, direct access to the airplanes.

In this case, a baggage handler falls asleep inside an airplane's cargo hold. It is hard to believe. I think there's something else there, and we need to definitely go back and try to prevent these incidents from happening again, sure.

BALDWIN: Checking those trucks, it's kind of like a no duh. Right?

Edward Miceli, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Just ahead here, former teachers and administrators sentenced to prison all over this massive cheating scandal, and the judge crystal- clear. He's tough.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody in the education system and APS knew that cheating was going on, and your client promoted it.

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BALDWIN: Lots of heated exchange in this Atlanta courtroom. We will play more of that for you. Do not miss this.

Plus, the man who won the Masters at 21 years young, he joins me live, Jordan Spieth, talking about what that moment was like and the family member who inspires him -- I see him out of the corner of my eye rocking the Green Jacket. We will chat coming up live here on CNN.

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BALDWIN: His name, Jordan Spieth. You don't know him? You are about to.

The 21-year-old may have just become the most famous player in golf. Not only did he just win the sport's most prestigious event; he did it in record-breaking style. Nice job. He was the wire-to-wire tournament leader, the second youngest player ever to win the Masters and the first player to reach an unbelievable 19 under par at Augusta.

Here is the moment after he sunk the final putt. He finished the weekend 18 under, four shots ahead of his closest competitors, Phil Mickelson, Justin Rose.

Winner of the 2015 Masters golf tournament, Jordan Spieth, is here with me, rocking the green in New York.

JORDAN SPIETH, 2015 MASTERS TOURNAMENT CHAMPION: Rocking the jacket.

BALDWIN: Rocking the jacket. I asked him in commercial break if he is sleeping in. He's like, no, Brooke, I'm not sleeping in it.

Congratulations.

SPIETH: Thank you. Thank you very much.

BALDWIN: OK. Be honest with me. At what point on the back nine were you like, I have got this?

SPIETH: Probably 17, 17 or 18. It wasn't until the last couple of holes. Just anything could happen there. I was playing against major champions, guys who have more experience than I do. And they were being patient. You just never know when they can do something crazy. So I had to really stay focused, keep my head down, stay on our certain goal for the day.

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BALDWIN: There was a moment I had read about you that you had skipped school. Sorry, former teachers. The cat's out of the bag. You had skipped classes or skipped school just be able to watch Tiger play.

Here you are playing with the man himself. There was a moment caught on TV where you're walking up to him after he's about to tee off, and you can hear the commentator saying, if only to be a fly on that wall.

SPIETH: Yes.

BALDWIN: Bring me in, as the fly on the wall. What were you all -- what did you say?

SPIETH: Well, he's a friend of mine. And I have enjoyed my time with Tiger over the last few years. And it's great to see him back. I had already played with him that week. So, I kind of just walked up and we were just kind of talking about a couple of holes and how he was feeling and stuff. It wasn't anything -- anything -- wasn't anything really interesting.

BALDWIN: You're buddies now. It was no big secrets?

SPIETH: Yes. There really wasn't any big secrets.

BALDWIN: You weren't trying to throw him off the course.

SPIETH: Not at all. It was cool to hear the roars and have him back at Augusta National.

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BALDWIN: Let's talk about your little sister Ellie and her story and how she couldn't be there.

SPIETH: Sure.

BALDWIN: How did you -- tell me about your relationship and tell me about how you broke the news.

SPIETH: Yes. My little sister, she's 14. She has special needs. She's on the autistic spectrum.

And it's very special for our family. She brings humility to our family, allows us to put things in perspective. She's awesome. I broke the news to her. It wouldn't have mattered if I had won, if I had lost. She doesn't really know the difference. She just wants me to take her shopping now, and take her out to dinner. I'm excited to get home and share it with her.

BALDWIN: Maybe let her try on the Green Jacket.

SPIETH: Yes.

BALDWIN: So shout-out to my colleague Ed Lavandera, because he and -- you two went to the same, Jesuit High School in Dallas. And I so he snapped this -- I think he's the one who snapped the picture.

But they're actually flying -- I don't know if you have seen this, but they're flying the Masters flag under the stars and stripes.

SPIETH: How cool is that?

BALDWIN: And if I may out of my back secret pocket pull out -- and we have a full screen of this letter you wrote I think to some folks at the school September 8, 2009.

Here we go, highlighting the line: "Hi. I'm a junior golfer, ranked number one junior golfer in the country. My dream is to play professionally and win the Masters."

Do you remember writing that? SPIETH: I don't. I know I have probably written it quite a few

times. I have definitely said it before. And it just proves that it was my dream.

BALDWIN: I'm looking at the date. You wrote 2009. Really, really, really then, did you think you had it in you?

SPIETH: I thought I may have the opportunity. I knew at that point if I stuck to it and I loved it and I continued to work hard at it, I would at least play in some Masters to give myself a chance.

BALDWIN: Gosh.

SPIETH: As far as actually accomplishing it, that -- not necessarily then. No. It was just a dream. But it's a reality now. It was so much fun.

BALDWIN: It's awesome. It's awesome.

I know after Tiger's destroyed it, that was back in '97, he won by 12 shots, they Tiger-proofed the course. If they were to Jordan-proof the course, what would you want them to do?

SPIETH: Yes. I think it's a little early for that.

But they Tiger-proofed it because he was the longest and the straightest. And so they added trees and they added length.

BALDWIN: They did.

SPIETH: I'm not the longest or straightest.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: Shrink them a little bit?

SPIETH: Yes, I don't know. I just kind of weaseled my way around, happened to get it in faster than anybody else. I don't know how. I don't know how they would necessarily -- I don't have any crazy strengths in my game. I just --

BALDWIN: OK.

SPIETH: -- found a way to stay consistent last week.

BALDWIN: We will be watching for the holes maybe and see if that will change the next go-round.

I know you get to pick the menu for next year's champions dinner. Tiger served cheeseburgers and milkshakes. Veejay served Thai food. Mike served wild game from Canada. I know it's a year away, but you're a Texas boy. What are you thinking?

SPIETH: Yes. Most likely some barbecue, I'm thinking, yes.

BALDWIN: Barbecue. What kind of sauce? SPIETH: Some -- definitely some barbecue sauce. I have got a couple

restaurants in mind that are out of Austin, Texas, that might like to serve and give them a little taste of, you know, our home state.

BALDWIN: OK. OK.

SPIETH: We will see.

BALDWIN: In the final few moments I have with you, sometimes, we like to play a little game, word association. Are you in?

SPIETH: Oh, boy.

BALDWIN: OK.

Jordan Spieth, favorite golfer.

SPIETH: Adam Scott.

BALDWIN: Favorite course?

SPIETH: Augusta National.

BALDWIN: Duh.

(LAUGHTER)

BALDWIN: Now that you're 21, favorite alcoholic beverage?

SPIETH: A good cold beer.

BALDWIN: If you were not playing golf, what would you be doing?

SPIETH: I would still be in college. I would be at the University of Texas.

BALDWIN: Hook 'em, Horns.

SPIETH: Hook 'em, Horns.

BALDWIN: Your love life

SPIETH: Yes, I have a girlfriend.

BALDWIN: OK. Texas?

SPIETH: University of Texas. You talking about the state or the college or -- word association.

BALDWIN: I'm just throwing it out there for you, wherever you want to take it. And, finally, the color green.

SPIETH: The Masters.

BALDWIN: Jordan Spieth, a pleasure, my friend.

SPIETH: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Congratulations.

SPIETH: Enjoyed it, Brooke. Thank you.

BALDWIN: Congratulations.

SPIETH: Nice to meet you.

BALDWIN: Let's continue on.