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Aired April 25, 2015 - 19:00   ET

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DREW PINSKY, "DR. DREW ON CALL" HOST: Tonight we are closer to knowing how Prince died. An autopsy has been performed. Toxicology testing under way

and the 911 call that alerted authority to his death is under scrutiny. Take a look.

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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: We`re getting the word out that Prince has died.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prince had not been feeling well for weeks. On April 7, anxious fans in Atlanta with tickets to see Prince learned two shows

that night are postponed.

According to the Fox Theater, Prince is ill, battling the flu. But one week later, April 14th, Prince takes the stage in Atlanta. The next day,

April 15th, Prince is flying home to Minneapolis. His private jet makes an unexpected detour, an emergency landing in Moline, Illinois, rushed to the

hospital.

Wednesday, April 28th, Prince is dropped off at his home at 8:00 p.m. He spends the night alone. No one is concerned until the next morning when

employees can`t reach him. They find him collapsed in an elevator.

DIPATCHER: (inaudible) rescue needed for a medical at Paisley Park. Person down, not breathing.

ANTHONY KAPEL "VAN" JONES, AMERICAN POLITICAL ACTIVIST: He is -- was -- it`s not -- it`s so hard to talk about your friend in the past tense.

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PINSKY: Joining me, Anneelise Goetz, attorney, Nina Parker, entertainment journalist and contributor Access Hollywood. Pat O`Brien with the most

experience entertainment journalist in this country and author of "I`ll Be Back Right After This".

I have also have CNN correspondent Ryan Young. He joins us outside Prince`s Estate, Paisley Park. Ryan, what`s the latest there?

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we do know that over the last few days, we`ve seen thousands of people gathered behind us and obviously want

to mark this moment in outside Paisley Park to pay their respects to Prince.

There was a memorial here in Saturday among private friends, about 20 or so who came here. We did find out Prince`s remains were cremated. And after

that service made, there`s been a talk about, maybe a musical tribute that will happen here in the coming days.

But look, everyone`s focused on the investigation. And what we do know is staff members found Prince`s body around 9:00. They made a call to 911.

When the EMS got here, they weren`t able to resuscitate him and now everyone is looking forward to see exactly how the superstar died.

PINSKY: Thanks Ryan. And we will -- tonight we`re going to talk a little bit about that but listen, I`m just going to use my physician brain. Just

the way I think as a doctor to put together the pieces. We don`t have a lot of facts yet. We do have the sheriff`s office releasing a transcript

of the call from Paisley Park, Thursday morning. Listen to -- and this is a recreation but listen.

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DISPATCHER: 911, where is your emergency?

CALLER: Hi there. What`s the address here? Yeah. We need an ambulance right now.

DISPATCHER: Okay, your cell phone is not going to tell me where you`re at, so you need to find me an address.

CALLER: Yeah, we have -- yeah, we have -- so, yeah, the person is dead here.

DISPATCHER: Okay. Get me the address, please.

CALLER: OK, OK. I`m working on it.

DISPATCHER: Concentrate on that.

CALLER: And the people are just distraught.

DISPATCHER: I understand they`re distraught, but...

CALLER: I`m working on it, I`m working on it. Paisley Park, we`re as Paisley Park.

DISPATCHER: You`re at Paisley Park, OK that`s in Chanhassen. Are you with the person who is ...

CALLER: Yes. It`s Prince.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: That is recreation but it is telling because they already knew they had somebody who was expired not -- they could not resuscitate that

individual, meaning he had been down for a long time. Then we`ve got the private flight from Atlanta last week that made an emergency landing in

Moline, Illinois. Listen to this from aircraft and control.

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DISPATCHER: What`s the nature of the emergency?

CALLER: An unresponsive passenger.

DISPATCHER: Was it a male or a female passenger?

CALLER: It`s a male passenger.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Okay. And we don`t know if that was Prince`s flight but the singer was going from Atlanta via private jet. In that very day that

Prince was reported hospitalized in Illinois for a few hours before then returning to Minneapolis.

But Pat, that`s what the sort of -- the camp said was it the flu.

PAT O`BRIEN, WCOBM.COM HOST: Right.

PINSKY: But flu does not called all -- caused altered sensorium like that.

O`BRIEN: No.

PINSKY: No.

O`BRIEN: First of all, what`s wrong with saying it`s Prince?

PINSKY: Yeah.

O`BRIEN: I mean they wasted 25 seconds there thinking, should I say his name?

PINSKY: Yeah, yeah.

O`BRIEN: Right, but no. There`s something going on here. I`m not saying -- it would be hard for me -- first, let me disclose my relationship with

Prince. Walking through a hotel lobby, he walked by me and said, Pat O`Brien. I said, Prince. That`s it.

But when, I loved his music, went to a lot of concerts. But you`re right there was something here. And the guy was so private and the thing is --

and for a guy that`s surrounded by so many people all the time, you`d think that there would be more information. That`s what makes me think that it`s

not something really bad, like.

PINSKY: Now you`re ...

O`BRIEN: No it`s not drugs.

PINSKY: It`s not drugs.

O`BRIEN: Not drug-drugs. Not like crack and cocaine.

PINSKY: Well, but they know for sure not. Right now, when you say it`s not drug-drugs, there`s an interesting piece to why you say that. Can we

disclose your life?

O`BRIEN: Sure.

PINSKY: You go ahead.

O`BRIEN: He`s a man who treated me when I first walked in. I`m seven and a half years sober.

PINSKY: Congratulations.

O`BRIEN: So I know right there ...

PINSKY: You understand this. And one thing about addicts and folks to have, they have a sense about other people`s disease. They see it, you

know, they kind of sense what`s going on. You don`t get the sense if Prince is an addict-addict either, right?

O`BRIEN: I don`t.

PINSKY: You do not. Right. OK. That`s my sense.

O`BRIEN: It would take a lot to convince me of that.

PINSKY: That`s right. So people want to be -- I don`t care what -- there`s rumors flying around about drug dealers. I say ...

O`BRIEN: No.

PINSKY: ... everybody, put those aside. It`s not what this is.

O`BRIEN: Too spiritual and too calm.

NINA PARKER, ACCESS HOLLYWOOD CONTRIBUTOR: Agreed.

PINSKY: Yeah.

O`BRIEN: Did he smoke or drink?

PINSKY: I`m not saying this isn`t drug assist or drug related demise but not because of the Addiction with a capital A. This is not that. Nina, do

you agree?

PARKER: I totally agree ...

PINSKY: Yeah.

PARKER: ... only because of the way Prince led his life. And I think, you know, we talk about other major stars passing away. There were indications

way before their final passing.

PINSKY: That`s right. That`s right.

PARKER: When we talked about Whitney Houston. Even when we talked about Michael and have the medical emergencies he had before he passed. So there

were some indications where we knew if they passed away. We wouldn`t be totally surprised of drugs or alcohol were involved. With Prince, I don`t

see that.

PINSKY: That`s exactly right. Anneelise do you have any good thing on this? Are you getting us?

O`BRIEN: You don`t have ...

ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: I -- no. I`m getting you, I`m feeling you. I wonder, you know, you kind of pinpointed there`s drugs and then there`s

drugs.

PINSKY: Yeah. If you point ...

GOETZ: I think that you talked about that quite a bit on this show ...

PINSKY: Yeah.

GOETZ: ... and I wonder if there is more layers to it on that side.

PINSKY: Well then, let me throw you. I show you my whole understanding. And then this is -- there is a hint we got today from Prince`s old friend

and his former fiancee Sheila E. She told entertainment tonight that Prince suffered from a hip injury and was "in pain all the time."

To me that`s code for that he got into doctor`s hands and was prescribed pain medication and that`s dangerous. Chronic pain, pain all the time?

Here`s what a doctor calls pain all the time, chronic pain. Chronic pain should not be treated with opiates. There`s no indication that chronic

pain is usefully treated with ongoing opiate pain medication.

There are 50,000 young people are going to die in this country today because of these damn oral pills. When are we going to get out that story?

Pat, it drives me out of my mind.

O`BRIEN: Me too, and you and I talked about this earlier, texting back and forth. You know, the problem has been at every time a celebrity goes down,

all of a sudden there`s this massive panic, "Oh, he`s on drugs." But pain medication and we don`t know but if he had and Sheila E. I would believe

if he was in massive pain from his hip. But it`s called pain medicine not sore medicine. And once you start taking and going down that road, and I`m

not saying he did, but once you go down that road, as you know, as you`ve taught us, there is no going back really because what happens is what helps

you get better is what you get addicted to.

PINSKY: That`s -- well here`s our code, is that that pain -- listen, I -- I`m not saying nobody with chronic pain should ever be on opiates. I`m

saying there is no scientific evidence that it`s a useful way to treat it and many patients on chronic opiates it does. Anneelise, you`re the non

...

GOETZ: Yeah.

PINSKY: Yeah. You`re the non-addict or professional that ...

O`BRIEN: Well ...

PINSKY: I don`t know.

GOETZ: I don`t know. Yeah, I am, I am. I`m a ...

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PINSKY: We need it here. But you`re the one -- you`re the novice to all this.

GOETZ: Yeah.

PINSKY: If I can convince you, I can help other people understand this. And that that they -- there`s something called hyperalgesia which is a

fancy word for pain getting worse. If the pain gets worse from opiates, not better. If it was a good way to treat pain, I`d suggest people take

it. It`s not a good way. And what happens is they take more because they`re getting hyperalgesia then chronic withdrawal and then somebody

because they then stop sleeping, throws in a hypnotic or an anxiety medication and that`s when they die. Not because they`re drug addicts but

my peers routinely perpetrate that. Not intentionally. As prescribed, not intentionally people are dying. My patients die all the time of this, all

the time.

O`BRIEN: You know what happens to is ...

PINSKY: Not by my prescription by the way. It feels like though I`m killing you. Not by but my Peers inadvertently do this to my patients all

the time.

O`BRIEN: Your credentials are fine here.

PINSKY: Thank you.

O`BRIEN: What happens to it and I`m not saying this happen -- do we have to keep saying this? We don`t really know anything but ...

PINSKY: We don`t.

O`BRIEN: What happens is Anna Nicole Smith ...

PINSKY: Yup.

O`BRIEN: ... Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson, all they wanted to do was sleep, right?

PINSKY: Yup.

O`BRIEN: And they just -- they wanted to get some sleep. And they did it through different ways and I think that people -- I know that people get

confused. They`ll take a pill, didn`t work. Take another one, that didn`t work. Now we go to another bottle that didn`t work.

PINSKY: Then they forget what they took.

O`BRIEN: Then they forget what they took.

PINSKY: Yeah.

GOETZ: Then we talk about...

PARKER: Eddie Murphy as well and why should (inaudible) ...

O`BRIEN: Exactly.

PINSKY: How many -- hey you listen we have so many bizarre things we are preoccupied as a culture, things in our food and things in our water.

Listen, this is the thing that`s going to kill you. There, let`s take care of this problem. Everyone, you can put a list out of celebrities and

people you know who`ve died of this. This is a national health emergency, Anneelise.

GOETZ: Well, turning an, and turning a little bit to another issue. I`m wondering -- let`s say that everyone is saying it`s not his M.O. It

doesn`t sound like something that he would be doing.

PINSKY: Right.

GOETZ: When you look at all these facts as a physician, what else is out there that you just you -- you`re unresponsive, maybe in a plane the day

before and then you`re dead in an elevator the next day.

What can you look at that ...

PINSKY: Was there a possibility?

GOETZ: ... and think of like I -- but that sounds like x to me.

PINSKY: Well, it`s it an when the -- just statistically when a young. Otherwise healthy person dies ...

GOETZ: Yeah.

PINSKY: ... you think drugs and alcohol. Then you think, well there could there be some underlying chronic medical problem that we don`t know about

yet? Yes, certainly. There could be something more to be revealed there and then opiates just made that worse.

That that`s kind of what I`m thinking this is but we`ll have to see. Now we -- because we don`t know, we don`t have any facts but we`re going to

keep this conversation going.

Later, a manhunt underway, right now. A horrific story, residents of a town where eight family members were murdered execution style. They`ve all

been urged to arm themselves. Back after this.

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MELISSA KNOWLES, "THE DAILY SHARE"ANCHOR: I`m Melissa Knowles with the T Mobile Daily Share.

At this hour, some dramatic tornado activity across the United States, amazing video was captured on a cell phone showing a twister as it touched

down along the border of Nebraska and Kansas and farther south, more tornadoes. Severe storms near Houston prompted tornado warnings. Chunks

of metal can be seen flying around the parking lot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looked like it could have been a funnel cloud but it wasn`t, doing those swirling motion. Then it just went back up, you know,

after a while but then a little bit later that`s when all this happened. It was pretty wild.

KNOWLES: Wow. Some nearby houses were damaged, but luckily no one was hurt.

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JIM OLSON, CARVER COUNTY SHERIFF: There were no obvious signs of trauma on the body at all. I am not responding to any kind of questions regarding

what may have been taken. We have no reason to believe at this point that this was a suicide.

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PINSKY: The world continues to mourn the death of Prince. He died Thursday at the age of 57. Cause of death has not yet been established.

Back with Anneelise, Nina and Pat.

Pat, again these stories hit close for you. And that we were talking of here about the enabling that goes on so much for celebrities.

O`BRIEN: Right. I`m not sure there was much here but you have to imagine that a guy like Prince is -- first of all, the universe is not going to let

Prince die. You know, OK. That`s my personal theory. But, you know, I was on the old Tom Snyder show one time, and he said, "What killed Elvis?"

I said, "No, it`s not what, it`s who." Colonel Tom Parker killed him.

PINSKY: By enabling everything.

O`BRIEN: By enabling and never saying no. And the one thing you and I are both -- we like to lobby about are doctors who give too much medication.

People who see something and don`t say something about a celebrity and these 911 calls where they go, "Oh, let`s see, it`s a house. Oh, Prince is

dead."

PINSKY: Yeah.

O`BRIEN: You know.

PINSKY: I mean you -- if celebrities get special treatment, they get bad treatment. Standard of care is you attorneys help us establish the

standard of care, right?

GOETZ: Right.

PINSKY: Standard of care is what?

GOETZ: When the reasonable person, reasonable physician would offer in the area.

PINSKY: But if that`s -- but the bright, I mean the best care. Not absolutely -- maybe not some exceptional care but the best care.

GOETZ: Yes.

PINSKY: Anything else is sort of not necessarily going to be the best. So and Prince`s brother-in-law allegedly told a crowd at a private family

service that he had worked 150 hours straight last week.

Now, again, what was that he`s at ...

O`BRIEN: We didn`t ask on that.

PINSKY: Do you think that`s the sleep thing again? I need sleep, I need sleep and then taking something for that?

O`BRIEN: When I heard that, I thought you go without -- and was playing, too, he was in concert. You stay awake 154 hours and then get up and play

the lead part to "Purple Rain."

PINSKY: No. Thank you. Yeah, no, thanks.

O`BRIEN: Not going to happen.

PINSKY: It is such a sad story. You know, the other thing I learned about Prince is that this is a guy that really brought people together and

supported people, so many people.

You saw Van Jones in one of the little video pieces we had crying about his friend because he was sort of -- he really connect on an intimate level and

then brought people together in ways. Even in his demise, I saw him bring people together.

PARKER: Well, and especially with Prince, I felt like everyone that I talked to -- I literally was in traffic the other day and should both

people on either side had Prince music playing. It just -- and he united all races, everyone. But in addition to that he made a real conscious

effort to make personal connections with his fans, handwritten letters to fans. These are that people he may not remember but they would remember

for the rest of their life.

So to lose someone like that, it really does make a huge impact and I really am curious to see what the autopsy results will say because I really

want to make sure that we figure out what was going on so this can be prevented because I agree with you in the sense that something has to be

done. This is becoming catastrophic.

PINSKY: There`s that that I`m also concerned, Pat, that if they find drugs that`s it`s going to become, "Oh, a drug death." This is not him. This is

sort of like you said, who. Not if not, this ...

O`BRIEN: Exactly, right.

PINSKY: This didn`t have to happen.

O`BRIEN: Right.

PINSKY: We were -- I`m angry with his death for the reasons I`ve already gone over tonight but also I feel like we`ve been gypped. We lost this guy

and he lost something too. He lose it (inaudible) his life ...

O`BRIEN: Like losing John Lennon or Beethoven or Mozart. I mean, this was a guy, the last of the guys who did everything, you know? And I`m -- I was

going to say pissed off but you can`t say that.

PINSKY: You can say that.

O`BRIEN: And we`ve said it. It was like.

PINSKY: We have no delay here. So, Anneelise, what it is?

GOETZ: You know, I was -- you had your show on Thursday and I thought one of the great things about your show was you really learned a lot about

Prince as the philanthropist.

PINSKY: First, yeah.

GOETZ: And everything he gave to his communities, this nation and the world. And what I wonder about now is, now knowing that that was his

soul. That`s where he was coming from. I`ve heard a lot of discussions about there may not be a will.

And I`m -- and I look at it and I think, this is the kind of guy that probably wanted to give more. That has this huge estate ...

O`BRIEN: You`re right.

GOETZ: ... and I think if he really did die without a will, what a tragedy because that money will end up going to siblings. Not that they shouldn`t

have it but he was a philanthropic guy and you know he could have made a really big difference and would have wanted to make that difference.

PINSKY: You`re so right. I didn`t even think about that. Now, the philanthropy that he did do, the reason we didn`t know about it during his

life. Apparently he as a Jehovah`s Witness he`s encouraged to be a philanthropist but also not to speak. He`s supposed to be like kings ...

O`BRIEN: Right.

PINSKY: ... and not really make a big deal about his contributions and apparently there were tremendous contributions.

PARKER: And we know, I know he donated to Trayvon Martin`s family, which was huge, obviously with a lot of people saw with social media and Black

Lives Matter. And he was a huge activist within the black community which is important especially for someone of his stature.

He did a lot of things internally. I would hear about things that he did within the communities or donations or things -- let`s say -- we think this

came from him for years that people couldn`t even confirm it. So hearing Van Jones talk about it and say this is something he actually did that

confirmed that. Really just shows that impacted his fan.

PINSKY: His brother and also said Paisley Park will become a museum much like ...

O`BRIEN: Graceland.

PINSKY: ... like Graceland. Maybe it could be a philanthropic center or something?

GOETZ: Let`s hope so. But that`s a pretty big state for him to make without -- he doesn`t get to make it museum unless he has been -- unless he

has the house himself.

The person has to be in control before they can say, give it to someone else. If that`s going to, let`s say, a sister or stepsister, then ...

PINSKY: These are pictures of the house. I think they are amazing.

PARKER: The reports are ...

PINSKY: Is that his house?

PARKER: I don`t think that`s a house.

O`BRIEN: It`s 5,000 square (inaudible).

PINSKY: Wow.

GOETZ: And so that if it`s going to that sister then you can have somebody else give it away and say it`s going to be a museum. You have to figure

out who is entitled to that asset before anyone can say anything.

PINSKY: Wow.

GOETZ: That`s like me saying, I think it`s going to be a museum.

PINSKY: And I`ve also heard that in addition there being no will or some chaos in his financial management because of him switching advisers or

something. That, that`s as -- I think it`s going to be the same Michael Jackson now.

GOETZ: Yeah.

PINSKY: Things are going to start to swell and hopefully someone can get behind this ...

O`BRIEN: Yeah.

PINSKY: ... pot and use it for the way Prince would have wanted it.

GOETZ: And that, I mean I think money can do horrible things to people and this is going to be one of those estates that`s probably be litigated for

years and years and years. And I help -- I hope whoever ends up with it keeps his spirit alive by continuing that giving.

O`BRIEN: And Oscar Wilde said, "Nobody wants to die with music still in him." And there was nobody that had more music in him than Prince.

PINSKY: Yeah.

O`BRIEN: So that made me believe this was some accident and something.

PINSKY: Yeah. No. This is a misadventure, as we say in medicine. This was a misadventure. I`m angry about it. I`m -- that I`ve been yelling

about this particular problem for as long as I`ve been on this program and it`s not getting better, it`s getting worse.

It is getting better in one extent. Doctors are realizing they`ve been overprescribing. So they are cutting patients off rather than getting them

treated and guess what now we have a heroin epidemic on our hands.

This could be dealt with differently. That people don`t have to die at this. It`s ridiculous. 90 percent of the opiates prescribed in the world

are prescribed in this country. Do we have more pain than other places on earth? No, I don`t think so.

Next up, a mass murder in a small Ohio town. Who would kill eight people from one family execution style and why? We`re back after this.

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PINSKY: A massive manhunt under way right now in Pike County, Ohio. Eight members of the same family found dead, shot in the head execution style

while they slept. Watch this.

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RICHARD MICHAEL "MIKE" DEWINE, OHIO ATTORNEY GENERAL: This was a preplanned execution of eight individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ruthless killings, apparently calculated attacks in four separate homes, the seven adults and one 16-year-old apparent targets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family was targeted. Most of them targeted while they were sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s blood all over the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The dead include a mother, killed in bed with her four- day-old child beside her. That child along with a six-month-old and a three-year-old survived the massacre.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now there are suspects, no known motive.

DEWINE: We did find marijuana in three locations.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Near the crime scene or at the crime scene?

DEWINE: At the crime scene.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like bags of marijuana?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Grow operation?

DEWINE: It`s grow operations.

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PINSKY: Back with Anneelise and joining us are Areva Martin, attorney and legal analyst, Steve Moore, Retired FBI agent and Pat Lalama, managing at

our "Crime Watch" daily from the "Crime Watch" newsroom. Pat, have you got the latest for us?

PAT LALAMA, MANAGING EDITOR: Yes, I do, but you know what? This hits home for me. I was born one hour north in Columbus, Ohio. I still have many

family members there. They tell me that state of Ohio completely rattled by this.

Here is the latest. The autopsies have been done. We should have results very, very soon. And the latest clue, Dr. Drew, is that there was

apparently a Facebook threat aimed at that 16-year-old ...

PINSKY: We`ve lost Pat. Oh, my goodness, I`m dying to know what that Facebook threat was. That is breaking news. Anneelise, you`re also from

Ohio.

GOETZ: I am. Similar to Pat, I was about an hour -- I grew up about an hour south -- an hour north of there as well.

PINSKY: Is your family still back there?

GOETZ: There`s was family back there.

PINSKY: Are they got psych down?

GOETZ: I was talking to my mom. I was talking with my mom on the way over, actually, because I`m reading these articles and they`re saying that

the sheriff is telling everyone to arm themselves. And so that you know that you have ...

PINSKY: Everyone or just the family?

GOETZ: No, everyone in the community.

PINSKY: Everyone.

GOETZ: As they have a community ...

PINSKY: Why?

GOETZ: ... that`s in a panic and everyone is running around with firearms. I said, "Mom, stay away from Pike County right now."

PINSKY: Pat, I -- we got you back. We were hanging on every word you`re every word. You`re about to tell us about a Facebook threat. Tell us

about that.

LALAMA: The very latest thing that came out just in the last couple of hours is that they are identifying a Facebook threat and it appears to have

been targeted against the youngest Rhoden who was murdered, the 16-year- old, Christopher Jr.

I know nothing more about what was said in that threat but authorities did confirm. And you know what, all those techno geniuses need to start

tracing that back where will that lead them. Maybe that will tell them something.

PINSKY: Steve, is it appropriate that we`re arming up?

STEVE MOORE, SPECIAL AGENT, FBI, (RET.): I don`t think I would necessarily advise the community to.

PINSKY: Any sense of what this is? A 16-year-old is threatened on Facebook. There`s pot, maybe it`s pot distribution. What`s going on here?

MOORE: You know what, what`s going to tell us is the autopsies and it`s not just they were shot in the head. Where in the head? Were they all

shot in the same way? What caliber was used? You`re trying to ...

PINSKY: Respectfully, I don`t care. You know that to me it seems like why was that going to matter? I mean I`m ...

MOORE: Sure it matters to the police because they want to know if this was a professional hit or whether this was some kid who was mad at another guy

and decided to take his entire family down. And frankly, those are the kind kids are the ones who would do this.

PINSKY: Anneelise, what would you say?

GOETZ: No. I mean this is a rural town. That there`s -- if there is a crazy mass murderer, everyone knows in that town. It`s that you don`t have

someone walking around that`s a psychopath if they`re a kid or what have you. There is no way. This is an outside job.

PINSKY: And I hear the other Ohioan saying the same thing, the other buckeye. Go ahead.

LALAMA: Well, the other buckeye is, I`m a little dubious about this being some angry kid who maybe didn`t like its pot. All right, this was so

calculated. And think about it, four different locations, albeit three were very close to each other, but in the still of the night. I`m not

convinced it was even just one person. This was, to me, it seems, feels, smells, sounds like a professional hit.

PINSKY: Yeah, it doesn`t sound like a nut. You don`t hear me, hmm, what kind of mental health issues make people kill? No, this seems like a

systematic.

LALAMA: It was a job. Someone came in and shot these people as their job.

PINSKY: Let me play the 911 call made by a relative who discovered the gruesome reality.

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DISPATCHER: Ma`am, Ma`am. You`ve got to tell me what`s going on.

CALLER: There`s blood all over the house.

DISPATCHER: OK.

CALLER: My brother-in-law is in the bedroom. It looks like someone has beat the hell out of him.

DISPATCHER: OK.

CALLER: There`s blood all over.

DISPATCHER: Ma`am can you tell me what county that`s in?

CALLER: Pike County.

DISPATCHER: It`s Pike County?

CALLER: Yes, and they dragged him in the back room.

DISPATCHER: OK. I need you to get out of the house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: So he was beaten and they dragged him. It sounds like more than one person, maybe.

STEVE MOORE, SPECIAL AGENT, FBI, (RET.): Well it has to be more than one person. When the sheriff says it`s one or more persons, they`re just

saying they have no idea how many. And I`m not saying it`s necessarily some crazy guy, I mean, I`ve never even been to Ohio, but I am saying that

you have to look at all the clues. You can`t just say out of hand it can`t be somebody around here. But yeah, for them to get into four houses and

not be overwhelmed by somebody coming out after them, I suspect at least three.

PINSKY: Three people.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY, LEGAL ANALYST: Yeah, I`m just concerned that the way the story is being told, I think they want us to believe that it has

some connection to these marijuana operations, because they said the amount of marijuana being grown in some of these houses wasn`t just for personal

consumption. It clearly was some large-scale operation, and when you see deaths like this or murders like this, and you see an illegal drug

operation, I don`t think we can conclude anything but, that there has to be some connection.

PINSKY: Do we really think that that`s a large part of the story?

LALAMA: Well, let me give you a couple other caveats and you can draw your own conclusions. In 2012, authorities did find another major pot operation

that they say, that they claim felt was linked to the Mexican cartel. Now, could this be cartel related? Could it be a competition? The competition

was mad that maybe these people were doing better. Of course we`re all jumping and I`m jumping to a conclusion here, we don`t know. But it very

well could be something far more sophisticated than we could ever imagine.

PINSKY: And in fact if there`s even a hint of something like that, I assume the police would be all over that very, very quickly.

MARTIN: And you should note that the police also told other family members that they should take precautionary measures, suggesting they may be

targeted too because this wasn`t a random killing, this particular family was targeted.

PINSKY: No gun control?

MARTIN: That makes me nervous, all these people in this little county running around with guns.

ELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: That`s what I`m saying about my mom, is that the idea that everyone is scared in this town and everybody`s got a gun and

they`re running around, where is the killer, where is the killer?

MOORE: If you`re growing a lot of marijuana and you`re living in the outback there, you got guns already. Guns didn`t help these people.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, I have a man who offered a huge reward for finding the killer. He is here with me. Will money help lead to this

arrest? Back after this.

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CALLER: The doors were locked when I got here, but I know where the key was at. And I went in and they were lying on the floor.

DISPATCHER: OK. I need you to get out of the house and wait, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a family that lost eight members. The family was targeted, most of them targeted while they were sleeping.

DISPATCHER: OK. Stay out of the house. Don`t let anybody go in there, OK?

CALLER: Yeah.

DISPATCHER: All right, we`ve got deputies on the way, OK?

CALLER: Thank you.

DISPATCHER: You`re welcome.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: That`s terrible. Eight family members murdered, shot in the head execution style. Tonight a massive manhunt is underway in that rural Ohio

town. So far police have no motive and no suspects. I`m here with Annelise, Areva, Steve, Pat. On the phone I have Jeff Ruby. He has

offered a $25,000 reward for anyone with information about these killings. Jeff, A, thank you for joining us, and B, thank you for that offering.

What I want to know is what motivated you? What`s behind this?

JEFF RUBY, OFFERING $25K FOR INFO ON SHOOTING: Well, if this reward translates into the capture and conviction of these mass murders, it will

be the best money I`ve ever spent. I`ve done this before, offering rewards, especially to people that maybe are less fortunate or less

affluent or less important. I just came back from this town a few minutes ago. I visited for the first time. I went into the diner there, I talked

to people that live there, I walked around the neighborhood, I met with the police and the bureau of investigation. But I got a sense that this is

such -- this is Mayberry, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yeah.

RUBY: And it`s so sad because when you have -- you know, if these were rich, famous celebrities or doctors or bankers, you know, there would be a

priority out in the boondocks out there. There wasn`t any way -- there wasn`t cameras, there wasn`t traffic, there wasn`t stores, there wasn`t

video. It`s a very easy place to get away with murder.

PINSKY: Jeff, we`re posting the number that people can call if they have any information that could lead to their arrest. And AnneElise, you made

the point that in a small town, if there was someone that was on the fringe behaviorally, everyone would know about who that person might be.

ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: Right. I mean, I believe in my heart of hearts whoever did this wasn`t from Pike County and they are long gone. And I am

sure that every officer from Pike County would say the exact same thing that I am but they`ve got to make sure before they -- as you were saying,

before they actually rule it out, they have to go through the process.

PINSKY: Again, I have to get my second buckeye opinion. Go ahead, Pat.

LALAMA: Well, I think she`s absolutely right. It just doesn`t seem like someone from that town. Again, let me restate. I can`t imagine some young

doper going, "Gee, I don`t like this brand of pot, it`s not good." I mean there`s something definitely more specific going on.

PINSKY: Well, I would even go further. Let`s say there was a kid out there who really had some serious mental health liabilities, he gets

involved with a 16-year-old girl, she blows him off, he says, I`m going to kill your family. It doesn`t happen that way, right? They don`t

systematically kill everyone that can speak.

GOETZ: And I think it`s so interesting who they kill too, they left the three children. They couldn`t participate in the drug operations. That`s

really what it is.

PINSKY: But also couldn`t be a witness.

GOETZ: They couldn`t be a witnessed, and they couldn`t be involved. A 16- year-old could be involved in that drug operation.

PINSKY: Can talk, could speak about what happened. Jeff, you just met with the families, you mentioned to us you were out on this town, I believe

you actually meet with some big family, you met with some of the family members. Did they have any theory about what happened?

RUBY: No, I didn`t actually get a chance to meet with the family members, but I met with people in the community, and boy they came up and hugged me

for how much it meant to them that I came to town to see what I could do and gave a reward. These are just real people. These are just -- it`s

just a country bumpkin town. I`ve been watching Pat for years on HLN and Nancy, and I think you`re right. There is no kid that did this because

he`s mad at the other kid.

This was a hit. This was a very, very well thought out, well planned. I got to think there was more than one person because it was four different

scenes. Three of the locations were just right across the street, right next door to each other. It`s not really a street. I mean this place was

just so rural. You know, I researched this, and you probably know better than me, but I have looked at this, and this is the largest mass murder

rampage of a family ever in this country that was not committed by another family member.

And, you know, in cold blood, you know, the Clutter family in Kansas back then, that was the same type of thing out in the country and nobody around

there, and they were slaughtered and it was terrible. That was four people and that was not a family member. But there was a murder on Easter Sunday,

1975 of a guy named James Rupert here in Hamilton, Ohio killed 11 members of his family. But again it was a family member. This never happens like

this where it`s not a family member that`s the perpetrator. This is the largest one I could find in my research that`s ever happened in this

country where it was -- assuming it wasn`t a family member, now -- that came and took the entire family of this many people at one time. Eight.

PINSKY: Pat, any thoughts here?

LALAMA: Well, I just want to say when you think about this tiny rural area, I have to believe because it is a tight-knit community, everybody

knows everybody, it seems to me that somebody in that community will recognize somebody coming into town that seemed suspicious or seem like

they didn`t really belong there.

PINSKY: Unless this was really professionally done.

LALAMA: That`s true. And the other thing is, I think you`re going to find in the next couple of days that other family members will be able to give

information to law enforcement that`s going to lead them where they need to go.

PINSKY: All right, Thank you Jeff, thank you, Pat.

Next up, a female firefighter tormented to death. Is that what led to an apparent suicide? A note was left with her dead body. We`ll get into it,

after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was a beloved young firefighter tormented to death? Nicole Mittendorf, a firefighter in Fairfax County, Virginia vanished on

April 13th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sweetheart I love you. I`m praying for you. I`m not sure where you are.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A week later, her car and her body were found. Tonight there are clues but no answers about what may have happened to her.

A possible suicide note was found, and a series of explicit and insulting on-line posts add to the mystery. Who`s behind the vicious messages and

did they cause Nicole to kill herself?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Medical examiner has ruled this is a suicide by hanging. The fire chief has vowed to investigate. I`m back with AnneElise, Areva, Steve, and Pat.

Pat, what do you know about these posts on this so-called -- I looked at this site. It`s called Fairfaxunderground.com. Fairfax, Virginia. It`s

sort of a blog site or chat site. A lot of nonsense on there, what do you know about it?

LALAMA: Well yeah. And don`t you just love how people live behind this anonymity that they can say such cruel things. But they called her ugly,

they called her a slut. There were even posts that there were nude photos. People were threatening that perhaps these nude photos would come forward.

PINSKY: Was it one person? Do we know if it was multiple person doing it? It could have been one troll causing all this trouble?

LALAMA: Absolutely. And not only that, on this site there`s evidence that these person or people were taunting other female firefighters. So, Dr.

Drew, I just got get this out. Something is odd here to me.

PINSKY: Yeah.

LALAMA: If this was happening to her, she could go to her husband, to her authorities, she could go to police and say, somebody`s got to do something

about this. I just find it odd that we`re connecting it -- it may be true but I feel like there`s something we don`t know.

PINSKY: I completely agree. People do not kill themselves because of nasty posts. Otherwise I would have been dead a long time ago. You were

shaking your head no, too.

MOORE: this type of abuse happens every day somewhere in America. I`ve seen it this day in a fire department around here.

PINSKY: Wait, this kind of abuse of women being targeted with misogynistic slurs.

MOORE: It can be a man, it can be a woman. It can be somebody they don`t like. Hazing is one thing. But then there`s this trying to get the person

to quit, to get out the intimidation. And that is what`s going on. I mean think about it, she couldn`t go away at the end of eight hours and get away

from this. She slept with the enemy. She was in the firehouse.

MARTIN: But I think what`s so important about this is, this isn`t going to be or have to be so anonymous. With the technology that`s available to the

fire department, to the FBI, to law enforcement, they can find out who is behind these comments. They can find out ...

PINSKY: This is the dark web. This was out in the open ...

MARTIN: No, this is very public and we can get to the bottom of who these individuals are.

PINSKY: What I wonder AnnaElise, is if she was -- maybe something was going on in her life. She upset somebody. Pat, you`re saying yes, and

then this person got angry and started acting out online. Does that make sense?

LALAMA: I mean it makes sense. And you`re thinking that maybe it`s someone that -- that she went with one of her colleagues.

PINSKY: Something just wasn`t going right.

LALAMA: I don`t think it was -- if it`s the level we are hearing, it probably wasn`t just an online forum. I feel like it was probably going on

at work.

PINSKY: Oh.

LALAMA: And maybe, you know how you said -- well, the audience said, but you said, I think that the husband might know something. You kind of said

that. Maybe he does.

PINSKY: Here`s what he would know. Is my wife depressed? Does she have a mood disturbance? People kill themselves because that`s a symptom of

depression. Bullying does not help that. It can make things worse. A teenager could act out because of bullying because they have a way of

thinking about the bullying as something they`ll get back at because of killing themselves. Adults don`t really do that. But if a lot of

harassment is going on in all areas of her life including this online stuff, you have to wonder, did somebody knows something?

I`m going to bring in an expert familiar with harassment, particularly of women and male firefighters back with me after this.

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PINSKY: A young female firefighter commits suicide by hanging herself. This in the wake of vicious online comments made about her. I`m back with

AnneElise, Areva, Steve, and Pat. On the phone I have Jeff Dill, founder of the Firefighters Behavior Alliance. Jeff, I wonder if you have any

theories about what happened here?

JEFF DILL, FIRE CAPTAIN (RET.) COUNSELOR: Well thanks. First off, thank you, Dr. Drew, for having me on. This is an important issue that`s going

through the fire service and Nicole`s death, it`s just another tragic loss of a firefighter. And you have to understand that firefighters, male or

female -- and I was just going through my staff of the 803 that we have validated in the past years, 45 being females, it starts with a cultural

brain washing in the fire service, male or female. And we are trained to be strong, brave, courageous, not ask for help. So, if the alleged

accusations are true that she was being harassed or bullied, she might not have said anything to anyone.

PINSKY: And Jeff, is this often on the heels of even some post-traumatic stress perhaps? First responders have to see and get involved in things

that are overwhelming, shattering, awful, and then again they`re not supposed to react to that.

DILL: Right. And that`s true, doctor. These things that we`re seeing nowadays -- I was watching your story about the family slaughter in Ohio.

These are more and more, you start talking to firefighters going through these issues and we`re supposed to bury our feelings and be strong and not

to be the weak link. So if Nicole was, allegedly being accused or having harassed and/or being bullied, she might keep it within herself so she

doesn`t show or portray any type of weakness.

PINSKY: Pat I hear you react to this. Go ahead.

LALAMA: Yeah, with all due respect to your guest who makes some really obviously poignant points, it`s something about this case seems odd to me.

I agree that we`re tough men and women, we don`t need to go cry to anybody. Yes, that`s true. But I feel for certain she would have gone home to her

husband.

PINSKY: But Pat, I think if that husband knows something ...

LALAMA: Yes.

PINSKY: ... he`s obviously not on the record yet, but he`s going to know if his wife was depressed, if she was struggling to something, if they had

marital difficulties, whatever it might be. I can just see it on this poor guy that he knows a little bit that we`re going to learn about as time goes

on. Steve, do you agree with that too?

MOORE: Yeah, I think there`s too much that we don`t know right now, and we have to go down every path and one of them is the internet and find out

where this was coming from and whether it had a material effect.

GOETZ: I just hope it wasn`t her colleagues. She`s doing this amazing thing for her community, and the thought of dealing with that -- I don`t

want to call it bullying, it`s sexual harassment in the workplace. And dealing with that hostile environment, it makes me feel so badly for her.

Pat in ten seconds, solutions?

LALAMA: That would take several shows, Dr. Drew.

GOETZ: People like Jeff are out there on the job. We`ll try to post on our website any resources that are available if someone knows someone that

is struggling. And please do DVR this program and you can watch us at any time. We thank you for watching. Thank you, Jeff, thank you to the panel,

thank you Pat. We`ll see you next time. And guess what? Nancy Grace is next.

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