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Rally in Baltimore Peaceful, Prayerful; North Korea Detains U.S. College Student; CNN Interviews 2 Detainees in North Korea; Ethiopian Jews In Violent Clashes With Police; 200 Business Lost In Monday Night Baltimore Riots; Baltimore Citywide Curfew Lifted 6 Days After Riots; Interview With Baltimore Photographer Who Landed Cover of "Time" Magazine. Aired 6-7p ET

Aired May 03, 2015 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:20] POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Six o'clock Eastern, you're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Poppy Harlow, joining you live from City Hall in Baltimore.

This city is very different right now than it was just a couple of days ago. No more fires, no more fighting in the streets. Today is really focused on fixing the damage, healing and moving forward. Changing the status quo moving forward with a new outlook. People praying today in a big rally at City Hall, where a similar sized crowd got heated and tense just a day before. A very different story today. We'll take you live there in just a moment.

Also, though, today for the first time since last week's riots, the shopping mall has re-opened its doors to customers, and the employees that depend on it for their livelihood. This was the mall where those rioters smashed glass and looted stores. Baltimore's mayor says the open mall gives her hope that her city is beginning to heal.

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MAYOR STEPHANIE RAWLINGS-BLAKE, BALTIMORE: This is just a great day for this community to have the mall re-open. It's a wonderful day. I was proud to support the investments that I think it was the Baltimore development corporation made into this mall to do the major renovations and to see it bounce back so quickly just gives me a lot of optimism.

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HARLOW: CNN's Nick Valencia and Sara Sidner are with me both in Baltimore. They've both been talking to people who have spent their day at this rally.

Nick, let me go to you first.

What are people telling you? Because you've been here, you know, marching with people in the street. You were here yesterday at the rally. Today was very different.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Today was such a different tone here, Poppy. It was really about bringing people together from the faith-based community and those that don't necessarily identify with being religious whatsoever. You can see here, if you notice sort of the crowd around me has thinned out largely gone their own way.

But what happened here today was special -- special because it brought together people from all walks of life. People that wouldn't normally spend a Sunday afternoon together. We spoke with families, all walks of life, all socioeconomic classes that felt like it was important to be out here today to continue the conversation about Baltimore. They talked about returning to normal.

And then there was this sort of moment where there was an understanding among those hosting this rally that Baltimore may never be the same after this and that might not be a bad thing. Lots of conversations of healing happening here. Conversations, uncomfortable conversations being had here among those that attended this service.

One of the points of contention here, Poppy, is the presence of the National Guard, that imagery here. And, yes, we did hear the governor announce that the National Guard troops would begin to wind down as he put it in a press conference earlier.

But they didn't give a specific timetable as to when that would happen. He spoke a lot about it more in detail at a press conference earlier today.

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GOV. LARRY HOGAN (R), MARYLAND: Where we've already started to withdraw the Guard. The trucks are pulling out this morning. It's going to take a little bit of a while. You know, we brought in 4,000 people this week to keep the city safe. We brought in 1,000 extra police officers, 3,000 members of the Guard and 3,000 volunteers to help clean things up.

It's not going to happen instantaneously. It's going to take a couple days to get everybody out. We had to build an entire city to save the city.

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VALENCIA: This is the first day that Baltimore has not had a curfew in recent memory, which is very exciting for the residents here. It's a step in the right direction, they say. And they hope those steps continue to go in the right direction -- Poppy.

HARLOW: All right, Nick, thank you so much.

I want to go now to my colleague, Sara Sidner.

Sara, you and I were out on the corner of North and Penn last night as the curfew hit, and some people refused to abide by it. We saw some arrests. We're now learning 46 arrests last night. What's the expectation tonight now that the curfew has been lifted?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Look, the expectation is you won't have as many people out in numbers and if they are out in numbers, that they will be very similar to what they were like during the block party. But nobody really knows until nightfall, right?

I want to show you where we are. This is the same area where we were yesterday, North and Pennsylvania. See the CVS that sustained damage and looting. Since then in this neighborhood, there has been a lot of peaceful protesting, but most of it peaceful. There were arrests last night because when the curfew came, the police warned several times and started taking people in and sometimes forcibly.

I want to let you hear from a resident who's from here, who lives just down the street from this very intersection.

[18:05:00] Lisa Mills (ph) is here with me now. And, you know, we were talking a little bit. She wanted to share what she sees going on in her neighborhood.

Can you tell me, Lisa, what you've seen over this past week? What do you think about all that you've seen? Things have changed quite a bit, haven't they?

LISA MILLS, BALTIMORE RESIDENT: Yes, it has. Here's what I want to make clear: a lot of people are misinformed about what this is. This is not about white cops and black people. This is about police officers misusing their badges to violate human beings' rights, in every state. This is not a black and white thing. It's a cop thing. It's an ego thing.

And the people have protested. The mayor, Marilyn Mosby, they have heard our cry and come to.

So, what we have to do now, we have to relax. We've got to let these people work. We've done our part. We brought it up to everybody's national attention. Now, I'm asking Baltimore and all the other states that are supporting this cause to let the people work. Let the state's attorney do her job and let's see what the outcome is going to be.

We've already started. We immediately started to clean up because no one wanted the riots and everything. So, we want to focus on putting our city back to normal and getting things back to normal.

This is going to take time. It's not going to happen overnight. The people have heard our cry. Let them work. Let the legal system do what it needs to do to make this right.

SIDNER: Lisa, thank you so much for speaking to us.

MILLS: You're more than welcome.

SIDNER: And, you know, you're hearing someone who's lived here, how long have you lived here? MILLS: I've lived in Maryland for over 30 years. I'm a real B-

morean.

SIDNER: I know they say Baltimore in this neighborhood.

Yes. I mean, you know, so 30 years here. She knows the city well. She's also asking that people, like she said, let the work get done and let the cleanup get done in the neighborhood.

You know, a lot of folks used to use the CVS pharmacy and some of the businesses have boards on them. They're no longer in use. A lot of folks relied on those, those who don't have transportation. So, people are hoping they can rebuild now and that the protesters will respect that, that they can protest a lot of folks here say you can go out and protest, but please just keep it peaceful -- Poppy.

HARLOW: Yes, absolutely. Sara Sidner, thank you so much for that. Good to hear from her. Appreciate it.

Now, we're hearing a lot today, Baltimore looks and feels like a totally different city than it did a week ago.

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BISHOP ANGEL NUNEZ, SENIOR PASTOR, BILINGUAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF BALTIMORE: This is our city! And hell ain't taking it back! Anger isn't taking it back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right.

NUNEZ: God's people are taking the city back.

CROWD: Yes!

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HARLOW: Well, that was Bishop Angel Nunez at last night's demonstration. Just 30 minutes before the curfew went into effect. He joins me now.

Thank you for being with me, sir. Appreciate it.

NUNEZ: Thanks for having me.

HARLOW: What do you make of what you've seen today?

NUNEZ: I'm excited. I'm excited impartially. I'm excited because attitudes have changed, because people are trusting and are on the system and allowing the system to run its course. I'm happy because there's not going to be any rioting. I'm hoping that people are orderly. You can protest, but keep the peace.

So, that piece of it I'm excited and happy about. Now, the long term is there's a lot of work to be done.

HARLOW: Well, that's the thing, right? The people in the streets here have been for the large part the people who have been protesting peacefully, they've been protesting for a lot more than just a decision to be made about these officers. They've been protesting for opportunity.

NUNEZ: Right.

HARLOW: For communication, for better relationship with the police to police them. Look, that's incumbent on both sides. That's not just up to the police to make change. It's up to both.

NUNEZ: Yes.

HARLOW: How do you as a faith leader help facilitate that?

NUNEZ: Well, I believe we play a very key role in that. You have to understand that these people that are rioting are broken people, are hurting people, are people that have been rejected. And so, they've lost all hope. They've lost -- they don't dream anymore. They don't have any expectation. And so, finally, in frustration, they lash out.

HARLOW: What's interesting is I was in Philadelphia on Thursday night and those protests covering that, and half the people who were there were people who told me this isn't directly impacting me, I'm here for the people that it is impacting, standing side by side with them.

NUNEZ: Exactly. You're going to see that all over the country. We are in a situation, a critical situation. I think last night, Seattle exploded with some people protesting and we're looking at Washington, all over the country. This is an epidemic. This is -- we have multitude of young people that are rising up, that have lost all hope in our society.

The job of the church is to go out there and keep loving people in spite of the fact that they may not receive.

[18:10:02] I say this all the time. You can have all the government programs you want, you can have all the money you want, you can try to help me as much as you want to, but I'm hurt. I don't believe you. I don't trust you. It takes a dynamic. It takes time of you loving me in spite of the fact that I hate you. There that barrier is broken then I can receive from you.

HARLOW: Thank you so much. It's nice to have you on the program, sir. Thanks for being with me very much.

NUNEZ: All right. Thank you. You take care of yourself.

HARLOW: Well, coming up, we have new details on how the police task force tried to recreate what happened to Freddie Gray to learn from it and also how that led to the arrest of these six officers. We'll bring you that, next.

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HARLOW: Those six officers arrested in the death of Freddie Gray are out on bail. So, what is the next step legally? Where does this go after these charges have been brought?

Let's turn to my panel, former FBI assistant director, CNN law enforcement analyst, Tom Fuentes, and with me also, criminal defense attorney and HLN legal analyst Joey Jackson and former Maryland State Police Officer Neill Franklin, also formerly with the Baltimore police force. Full disclosure for our viewers, Neill Franklin was fired from the Baltimore police force in 2004.

Thank you all for being here. I appreciate it very much.

Joey, let me begin with you, as the lawyer in this group -- a lot of people heard, OK, the states attorney charged them. They don't know necessarily. This is going to go to a grand jury.

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Right. So, here's the way the process works. Now, clearly, Poppy, the significance of charging can not be overstated. It's an important step in charging because based upon the independent investigation that the state attorney did, she found based upon what she and her people did that there was probable cause.

Now, what does that mean? It really means that from their perspective, there's enough evidence to bring forward charges. Ultimately, that lies in a panel of people. Generally, 23 members, they sit on a grand jury, and those grand jurors make the decision twofold, "A," is there reasonable belief that a crime occurred? And "B," that these officers committed that crime?

And so, what the prosecuting attorney will do, Poppy, is they'll present evidence before that body of grand jurors and they'll either return a true bill, meaning there's an indictment, or they'll return a no true bill, but the district attorney, the county attorney, will give them a series of charges to decide from and once indicted, if indicted, the process will begin.

HARLOW: And only if indicted will the process begin.

Joey, thank you for that.

I also want to bring our viewers this sound because earlier today CNN spoke with "Baltimore Sun" reporter Justin George who got really rare access into this police investigation.

Listen to what he said.

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JUSTIN GEORGE, BALTIMORE SUN: Even though the task force was pretty confident that the injuries to Freddie Gray took place in the van, they wanted to exhaust every sort of possibility that it may have happened at another time, may have happened during the arrest or at some other point during the wagon route.

And in that case, they actually were demonstrating the leg lace maneuver that Freddie Gray was put in right when he was arrested. And what they did was tried to simulate that and then also apply pressure, different points of pressure and had this orthopedic doctor look and see if that could cause some of the injuries that Freddie Gray sustained, and the doctor's prognosis, essentially what he said, was that it was impossible for him to sustain the injuries from that leg lace even if they were standing on him or slamming him or sticking their knees near his back.

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HARLOW: So what's really interesting about this, to give you some context here, is that the Baltimore Police Department allowed this local reporter in to see how they were conducting the investigation.

My colleague, Fredricka Whitfield, asked a reporter, why do you think they let you do that? Frankly, they want to show the public that they're being as transparent as possible.

What do you make of the fact that they say, this reporter says the police force was shocked to see these charges brought because they, themselves, had not finished their own internal investigation?

NEILL FRANKLIN, FORMER MARYLAND STATE POLICE OFFICER: Well, I understand that there were two investigations going on at the same time. The police force was doing their investigation and the states attorney's office was doing their investigation. And the most important investigation here is that being done by the states attorney's office, unfortunately, because she's the one who's placing charges.

There was no rush to judgment here. We're hearing this all the time. There was no judgment. That comes in the court of law when they have their day in court.

This happens during any normal criminal investigation where charges with placed once there's probable cause for an arrest. She thought she had the probable cause, she had the charges placed. So, there's no rush to judgment.

But, yes, I mean, sometimes you have this happen. You have two separate investigations running concurrently.

HARLOW: And one investigation is at the point she says they have probable cause, where the other one, the police force is saying, look, ours wasn't even done yet.

FRANKLIN: Well, there's something else. There was this leak from the police department, apparently, alleged leak that went to "The Washington Post" regarding the interview of the police of the other passenger in the van. I mean, this is very problematic for me. When you have something like that coming out of an investigation, how can you trust the investigation? How can the people trust the investigation?

HARLOW: Tom Fuentes, give us some perspective here. As a former police officer, former assistant director of the FBI, you know, I just had Sheriff Clarke of Milwaukee on the program last hour who told me this is a rush to judgment, these police officers are being thrown under the bus because of what he called, you know, these angry protesters and rioters and he's saying it is not right and it is too fast.

Is bringing charges in, what, about a week and a half, is that too fast?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I think it's about as fast as I've ever seen in 40-plus years, so it is fast. Whether it's too fast now is going to be something that, you know, is going to be determined during the prosecutive phase of this case. But on the other hand, I've never seen this many resources. I guess going back to the Kennedy assassination.

HARLOW: Right.

FUENTES: This is almost like a Warren Mission. Hundreds of officers, dozens of attorneys, medical personnel assigned, orthopedic surgeons assigned during the investigation, along with your reporter who was embedded in there because the police know everything they say is not going to be believed.

HARLOW: Right.

FUENTES: So, this is a very unusual investigation. Just by sheer resources, it's unusual.

HARLOW: Joey wanted to jump in.

FUENTES: Just to put things in perspective. Customarily, as a former prosecutor, we would indict people within six days if they were in custody from their arrest and then we would build from there. From a civilian perspective, people arrested every day, they get indicted rather readily and rather quickly.

[18:20:02] Now, the reason I don't -- I wouldn't suggest this is a rush to judgment because you have countervailing forces. What are those? There's a grand jury to decide whether the charges are warranted. In the event there's an indictment, Poppy, you have a trial jury that will be empanelled by the prosecutor and defense attorney. They'll select them. And then, of course, due process.

All this is, charges, is notice. Now, there's an opportunity to be heard and these officers will have their day in court and the public will get to see transparency, the evidence going in and out every day. If they're not guilty, a jury will say so.

HARLOW: Joey Jackson, Tom Fuentes, Neill Franklin, thank you guys very much.

And coming up, of course, much more of our special coverage from Baltimore. But also this news as it develops. An NYU student detained in North Korea. What happened? We'll take you there live for the details, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HARLOW: We'll take you back to our continuing live coverage from here in Baltimore in just a moment. First, though, I do want to take you to this developing story out of North Korea. North Korea has detained a U.S. college student, a 21-year-old who's reportedly a native of South Korea. Recently took classes in New York at NYU.

Let's bring in Will Ripley. He joins me from Pyongyang right now.

[18:25:00] And, Will, first of all, tell our viewers sort of how you got to be in Pyongyang. They invited you to come there?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. Ever since our last trip here eight months ago, Poppy, we kept in touch with the North Korean government and have invited us back into the country but we didn't know until we arrived essentially why the government was inviting us back in.

Shortly after we landed here in Pyongyang, we were told about this 21- year-old permanent citizen of the United States, a permanent resident of the United States, a South Korean citizen. Twenty-one-year-old Won Moon Joo who had been detained on April 22nd. The North Korean government claims he was trying to cross illegally from China into North Korea. South Koreans can't come into this country without special permission.

State media here is reporting that this 21-year-old does acknowledge the severity of the crime he committed. NYU says that it's been in touch with his family in the South Korean embassy. But we do not believe at this point that Won Moon Joo, the student has been able to speak with his family or parents as of yet.

We requested to interview this young man, Poppy. We were told our request is being considered right now but as of yet, we have not been given access to him and as you know here on the ground, we often don't know what will happen until shortly before it begins.

HARLOW: Exactly. Like when you were there eight months ago and all of a sudden you were allowed to interview Kenneth Bae and others and didn't know that was going to be the case. I understand, Will, that you had an exclusive interview with two other detainees in North Korea? What can you tell me about that?

RIPLEY: Yes. The government, Poppy, was very keen to put these South Korean men before our cameras. They accused these men of being spies for the South Korean government. A claim that South Korea strongly denies.

But what these two men said was very interesting, Poppy. Both of them, a businessman and missionary, claim they were working in northern China. This is an area where north and South Koreans live in the same area, often occasionally do business together. These men say they were recruited by South Korea to cross into the northern part of the peninsula and try to steal secrets and information and materials from the DPRK.

Now, again, we can't verify these claims. We simply don't know if they're accurate, but it is certainly was a fascinating insight into the real propaganda war and the espionage war that goes on between the North and the South.

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RIPLEY: Will Ripley with CNN.

(voice-over): Tension fills the room in this North Korean hotel.

(on camera): How are you?

(voice-over): Kim Kuk-gi's faith could hang on every word he says.

"I wasn't tortured or interrogated", he says describing his arrest on charges of spying for South Korea. "I had to gather information", he says, "because I was told to do so."

The former missionary made a full confession claiming he made half a million dollars working for South Korea's NIS, the National Intelligence Service.

(on camera): The South Korean government denies that you're even a spy.

(voice-over): "The only way I can prove it is by speaking to you now", he says. "And North Korea never takes innocent people and accuses them of being spies."

The North Korean government is giving CNN exclusive access to Kim and another accused South Korean spy Choe Chun-gil.

"I worked as a spy for the South Korean government for three years", he says.

The stories of these South Korean citizens are strikingly similar. Accounts CNN cannot verify. They say they were recruited in northern China, close to the border, one of the rare places where North and South Koreans live and sometimes do business together.

"There are so many people just like me recruited by the South Korean NIS, most of them are working in a third country", he says, meaning China.

Both men insist they're being treated humanely. Nothing like the United Nations' recent report on human rights, claiming North Korean prisoners are often beaten, tortured, executed.

"The outside world speaks negatively about the human rights issues here, but I'm a living witness to the reality", he says.

(on camera): To be clear, this is all coming from you. You're not being told to say this?

(voice-over): "No one told me to say this."

(on camera): Has anybody told you what to say? (voice-over): "That's a very absurd question", he says. "I'm simply

expressing myself."

Choe's eyes swelling with tears reveal fear and uncertainty. Both men await trial and sentencing. Convicted South Korean spies face a life of hard labor or worse.

(on camera): How are you feeling right now? Are you afraid?

(voice-over): "I am", he says. "But I'm determined to accept my punishment. My last message is for my daughter. I love you."

Spies or not, both men must face the hard truth: they may never go home again.

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[18:30:09] RIPLEY: Now, these men are not being held in prison right now. They're being held in small housing units. They can watch television, read newspapers. We are asking about the conditions that this permanent resident, the United States student, the conditions that he's being held in, Poppy. We haven't gotten an answer yet but we'll continue working our sources on the ground here to try to find out as much as we can.

I know you will, Will. Hopefully they will give you a chance to speak with that 21-year-old NYU student who apparently has been detained there in North Korea.

Will Ripley, excellent reporting. Thank you so much.

HARLOW: We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, violent clashes between police and protesters in Tel Aviv. What sparked this? What's the situation now on the ground? We'll take you there live, next.

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HARLOW: Alright. We'll get back to our continuing live coverage from here in Baltimore in just a moment. First, though, we want to get you to these images, very disturbing images out of Tel Aviv today. Clashes there and a number of injuries as well between Israeli police and Ethiopian Jews. These tensions spiked after video surfaced of an Israeli police officer striking an Israeli soldier who is of Ethiopian descent.

Our CNN correspondent Oren Liebermann joins us from Tel Aviv. Oren, we saw this rally in Rabin Square and it had been peaceful for hours and then it turned very violent. Why?

OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: At some point during this afternoon and this evening -- and remember, this is nine or ten hours of protesting -- at some point right in the middle, there was some sort of spark that launched this from what was, for hours, a peaceful protest. Protesters shut down some of the main streets in Tel Aviv, but police let it happen and there was restraint on both sides there. [18:35:06] Something sparked the violence. We're not sure what it is.

We're not sure what that tipping point was, but this then became a violent rally in the middle of central Tel Aviv, a city very much not used to seeing this sort of tension, this sort of anger bubbling over in the middle of the streets. We saw windows smashed, we saw cars damaged. Police used dispersal methods, crowd dispersal methods including tear gas, officers on horses, water dispersal, a strong water cannon to try to break up the crowd. Even then it wasn't that simple.

There were hundreds of people protesting here in Rabin Square. This quiet that you see behind me, a few police officers you see behind me, this is a far cry from what it was just a few short hours ago when this was full of violent clashes between police and demonstrators here.

This all started about a week ago with a video that went viral. That video that you mentioned shows one Israeli police officer, then another, beating up an Ethiopian-Israeli soldier in uniform and that "in uniform" part is part of what this anger is all about. Ethiopians here say they've been discriminated against for years and this video was the tipping point. The boiling point. There were protests on Thursday in Jerusalem, about 1,000 people there, that ended in some smaller clashes as the crowd got smaller. And that all led up to today's protests.

Again, as you mentioned, it started peaceful. It started quietly on the streets of Tel Aviv as protesters blocked off many of the streets during rush hour. But police were happy to say, look, as long as this stays peaceful, it's okay with us. And then it came to Rabin Square and that's when it became the shocking video that has stunned people here in Tel Aviv with the level of violence that we saw on the streets of Tel Aviv here in Rabin Square on this evening. The last numbers we have, 23 police officers injured, 26 people arrested.

HARLOW: So Oren, do we know what happens tomorrow on this front? What is planned for tomorrow?

LIEBERMANN: So we have some meetings that we know are scheduled. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will meet with the victim in that viral video, the soldier, the young soldier, Damas Pakada. They will sit down together, along with leaders of the Israeli-Ethiopian community here and also some of the authorities, some of the security leaders here in Israel to begin to sort of understand how to keep this from boiling over again.

But it's not just that. This is about solving some of the bigger inequalities in Israeli society here. What Ethiopians see as discrimination against them, as racism against them. I mentioned it was a soldier in uniform. The army here is the great equalizer. You serve in the army, you become part of society. The Ethiopians don't see it that way. They serve in the army and they say they are still discriminated against as they try to sort of rejoin society or join society on an equal footing. They say that doesn't happen. This will take much more than tomorrow's meetings with the prime minister to address some of the bigger issues that the Ethiopians see in their path, to what they call for as justice.

HARLOW: Absolutely. Oren Liebermann on the ground for us there. It's the middle of the night in Tel Aviv as these protests continue. We'll keep an eye, monitor them for you, bring you the latest as we have it , Oren. Thank you, I appreciate it.

Coming up next, we'll return to our top story here in Baltimore. We're going to talk about the impact all of these riots and protests have had on businesses here. We're not just talking about large corporations. We're talking about small, many minority-owned businesses without insurance. What do they do now? How do they move forward? That's next.

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[18:42:19] HARLOW: Alright. You're taking a look at what is happening in Baltimore right now by City Hall. These are, I'm told, the marching band from high schools across Baltimore's West Side. Marching here from the West Side, downtown and throughout, throughout the city of Baltimore. Again, a lot of high school kids in the marching bands. It's going to get pretty loud here as they walk by us.

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Well, also police say 113 officers were injured since the violence erupted on the streets of Baltimore more than a week ago. 486 arrests, we are told, have been made since April 23rd. 46 arrests were made last night. But the citywide curfew has been lifted. That was announced just earlier today. That means that people will not be arrested for being on the streets of Baltimore after 10:00 p.m.

We also have learned the National Guard, those 4,000 men and women from the National Guard who have been here, will withdraw over the next 72 hours. A large rally took place outside of City Hall this afternoon. The purpose was to promote healing and to try to bring a sense of closure and moving forward during -- after days of unrest.

Also, remember, those riots on Monday night resulted in 200 small businesses being completely destroyed. Those businesses now must face the daunting task of rebuilding and re-opening. Governor Larry Hogan today talked about the damage.

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GOV. LARRY HOGAN, MARYLAND: On Monday night we lost 200 businesses. Most of them were minority-owned businesses. Many of them didn't have insurance. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been lost. People had their homes burned down, businesses burned down and looted. And then the folks that even didn't get hit on Monday night lost business for an entire week. And I talked to a lot of them over the past few days. So a lot of people were impacted in communities throughout the city. We're going to do everything we can to help them.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARLOW: Well, those businesses now face the daunting task of rebuilding. So how do you do that and how do you encourage more businesses to come to this city?

Ron Busby Sr. joins me now, he's the president and CEO of the U.S. Black Chambers. Thanks for being with me again, sir. Good to have you on the program.

RON BUSBY SR., PRESIDENT/CEO, U.S. BLACK CHAMBERS: Thanks for allowing me to be here.

HARLOW: I was pretty stunned when I heard the number from the governor this morning, 200 of these businesses completely destroyed because of what happened Monday night. A lot of these, he said, are minority- owned businesses and they're businesses without insurance. What's your reaction?

BUSBY: Unfortunately, that is true. If you look at a city like Baltimore, where it is primarily an African-American city, most of the business owners, especially the small ones, are going to be many of those that are black owned.

[18:45:08] But it's going to take an entire city, both private sector as well as public sector, to fix this community. That's why we're so excited to be here as a U.S. Black Chamber because we feel like it's going to be the mom and pop businesses that need to come back as well as large firms.

HARLOW: What are you doing? It is your job, it is incumbent upon you to bring those companies here, especially big corporations like the CVS that we saw burned down on Monday. How do you convince them, yes, this is where you want to be after they've seen what's happened?

BUSBY: The great thing about this experience here is that people from the outside have been able to see Baltimore for its true colors. And this is a beautiful city. It's a vibrant city with beautiful people that love their community.

HARLOW: Do you think that's what most people have seen this week?

BUSBY: I think the folks that are here are seeing that.

HARLOW: But on television?

BUSBY: What we need to do is make sure that Baltimore is taken care of by Baltimoreans and Marylandeans, and right down the street from us is Washington, D.C. where the White House resides.

This city needs both private sector, so we do need the CVS, we need some of those large firms that are overseas to reinvest in cities like Baltimore so they can bring manufacturing, they can bring unemployment --

HARLOW: Right.

BUSBY: -- to a close as well as we need to make sure the community is supporting the community. As we've stated before, there are 1.9 million African-American-owned businesses and there's 1.9 million unemployed African-Americans. If each one of those businesses were able to hire one additional African-American, we wouldn't have this problem in our country across the country.

HARLOW: So the curfew has been lifted. That was announced earlier today. And a lot of -- I was just at a local Starbucks and one of the baristas said to me, I'm so glad that it's lifted, not that it directly impacted them, right, because their business isn't after 10:00 p.m., but talked about all her friends who were impacted, their livelihoods, their ability to get a paycheck. Was it the right call to lift the curfew at this point?

BUSBY: Most definitely. I think that this community now is about rebuilding. I think that they've gone through so much of the pain. The dollars that were lost yesterday, they'll never be recapped, but we can will definitely focus on what's going to happen tomorrow, what's going to happen in the future. The future starts tonight. The future starts with the curfew being ended.

HARLOW: I think respecting the businesses, right - I mean, when you take away those businesses, you harm people in ways that you're not thinking about right at that point in time.

BUSBY: Especially for African-American-owned businesses because we know that black firms hire black people. 40 percent of African- Americans that are in business have hired someone from their own community or from their family or from someone that looks like them or in similar circumstances. So the small business community is very important to Baltimore.

HARLOW: Ron Busby, good to have you on the program. Thank you, sir. Thanks also for talking to me during all the noise. Maybe we can show our viewers, again, what you're looking at. This is a big gathering of marching bands from local high schools on the West Side of Baltimore that have marched from there here to City Hall. Really a very positive celebratory performance that we're seeing here on the streets of downtown Baltimore and as we said, the curfew has been lifted. The National Guard will soon go home. Will the streets of Baltimore finally return to normal? Albeit probably a new normal. We'll talk about that next.

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[18:52:15] HARLOW: Back to the streets of Baltimore. This is the -- welcome back to the streets of Baltimore. This is a scene that you have not seen in awhile in this city. It is a scene of jubilation. It is a scene of high school marching band students marching from West Baltimore here to City Hall. Let's take a moment to listen in.

BAND: (Chanting) "We don't want no problems, we come in peace."

HARLOW: They are chanting, "We don't want problems, we come in peace." They're gathering here on the lawn right in front of City Hall. And we're going to keep an eye on this for you and go straight to Nick Valencia who is out with them. Hey, Nick.

VALENCIA (voice-over): Hey, Poppy. We understand this is a combination of about seven bands locally. I was talking to some of those that were expecting this to happen. We just found out about it a little while ago. It sort of plays along with the theme, doesn't it? About this celebratory mood, this very festive atmosphere.

Yesterday we saw on the streets there on North and Pennsylvania Avenue sort of -- something that resembled a block party. Here today on the steps of City Hall, a lot of smiling faces. You mentioned they were coming saying, "We don't want any problems, we come in peace," and they are putting on a show for all those who have stuck around after the interfaith rally that happened earlier this afternoon. Poppy?

HARLOW: Quite a change from what we've seen on the streets of Baltimore over the last few weeks. Nick Valencia, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Coming up next, we're going to introduce you to someone who took an extraordinary photograph this week that has now been seen by the world. Baltimore resident and photographer, a man named Devin Allen, whose photo landed on the cover of "Time" magazine. That's next.

[18:54:38] BAND: (Chanting) We don't want no problems, we come in peace. We don't want no problems, we come in peace.

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HARLOW: One of the most powerful images from the protests in Baltimore this week came from an aspiring 26-year-old photographer who grew up right here in Baltimore. His name Devin Allen. His photo of a young black man running away from the police went viral moments after he posted it online. By Thursday, it was on the cover of "Time" magazine.

Devin Allen joins me now. Thank you for being here. This must be surreal for you. What has this week been like? What story were you trying to tell with this image and others?

DEVIN ALLEN, PHOTOGRAPHER: That image means a lot to me. You know, I just was trying to tell every aspect of the story. You know, something that the outsiders might not notice about my city. I was trying to tell the story as a native, take it from the inside out, you know?

HARLOW: What does this picture tell you?

ALLEN: It tells me -- it shows me the struggle. It tells me the struggle. You know, as a young black man. You know, they're calling us thugs right now. That's not what we are. We're just people they forgot about. That's how we feel.

HARLOW: You took a lot of beautiful pictures this week. Did you take some pictures that gave you hope?

ALLEN: A lot of pictures. A lot of pictures gave -- all the pictures gave me hope.

HARLOW: Really?

ALLEN: I've seen -- I know they call them thugs because they rioting, but those young guys stood up on their own. You know, I respect that. You know? They're just misunderstood. It's pictures of kids with their parents, you know, black men with their sons holding up their hands. You know, it shows the foundation of the black community.

HARLOW: We've also seen some photographs by others, one very striking photograph I saw of a young little boy, African-American boy, giving a police officer a bottle of water. So that also shows the connectedness and, you know --

[18:59:49] ALLEN: You know, yes, I definitely understand that. Everyone is being profiled now. You know, we have been racially profiled. But the police also are being racially profiled because all of them are not bad. I just took some pictures with some officers. They're like, you were on "Time," you're that guy, you know, come take a picture with me. They're not all bad. Everyone is being profiled right now and that's the sad part about it. You can't tell the good from the bad.