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Elton Simpson on Law Enforcement Radar; Manny Pacquiao is Being Sued for Shoulder Injury; Tornado in Rural Kansas. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired May 06, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: U.S. investigators are now looking into what kind of connections he had. Was it just a twitter relationship, tweets back and forth, retweets, et cetera, or did he inspire them, did he encourage them. That's a real fear because if you have a recruiter inside Syria in ISIS able to connect with and encourage attackers here in the U.S., that's really something you and I have talked about, Brooke. It's something that U.S. officials have been concerned about for some time. How can ISIS project its power across the ocean, really, into the American homeland.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: Online. Elton Simpson, beyond, you know, all of this twitter traffic, he also was under investigation. And a lot of the questions have been, you know, since the (INAUDIBLE) on this guy a long ago, what happened with the monitoring? How did someone not know that this was to happen?

SCIUTTO: Here's the thing. This is the challenge that law enforcement has. So he was on their radar screens. He had a previous prosecution for attempting, it seemed, he was accused of attempting to go to Somalia to fight jihad there. That was never proven in court. So they had something on him. He had a bit of a track record.

Law enforcement officials telling CNN that he was under monitoring but not full-time surveillance. And keep in mind, they will have dozens of folks somewhere in between the category of severe threat and possible threat. And he's somewhere in there. So they have to make a judgment as to who they devote resources to, to put under surveillance all the time. And here was a guy they didn't. And lo and behold, he carries out this attack.

I have to tell you, Brooke. It reminds me of the situation in Paris with the "Charlie Hebdo" attach, remember the Koashi (ph) brothers. They had much more serious, actually, packed (ph) where they have travelled abroad. They have done some training, I believe, it was in Yemen, They were under surveillance by the French then taken off surveillance. And lo and behold, they carry out that horrible attack. And what the French said, listen, we have thousands of guys like this. We can't keep them all under surveillance. That would require tens of thousands of agents.

But this is exactly the problem that U.S. law enforcement and U.S. intelligence has right now. Who do you devote those precious resources to? And sadly, here's a case where you didn't and this attack follows.

BALDWIN: Right. Jim Sciutto, thank you.

SCIUTTO: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Next, a lot of you watched it, many of you put big, big money on it. But have you heard? Manny Pacquiao is being sued, accused of not revealing he had a shoulder injury when he fought Floyd Mayweather.

Coming up next, we're joined by long-time boxing analyst who got a first-hand taste of Mayweather's fire in a ringside interview.

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[15:36:53] BALDWIN: Boxer Manny Pacquiao is being sued for our cool $5 million after losing that epic match over the weekend to Floyd Mayweather. Two fans from Las Vegas claim Pacquiao unfairly kept his shoulder injury a secret in the days waiting up to boxing showdown.

A class-action lawsuit alleges this, the fans were ripped off and defrauded because they believe Pacquiao was healthy. That includes everyone who bought tickets or purchased it on pay-per-view or made a legal bet on the match. A lawyer for Pacquiao tells ESPN the lawsuit is hogwash.

Joining me now, former HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant.

Larry Merchant, a pleasure to have you on, sir.

LARRY MERCHANT, FORMER HBO BOXING ANALYST: Thank you.

BALDWIN: This is a very big deal because Pacquiao could potentially lose his boxing license. I know the investigation is under way, as far as whether or not he hid his injury. My question to you, Larry, is it abnormal for fighters to hide injuries before a big match like this?

MERCHANT: It's not abnormal. Sometimes they want to go ahead with a fight because they're competitive. Sometimes because they need the money. In this case, my semi-educated guess is that it was some combination of hubris and hope and the huge amount of money at stake. But there are many examples of fights of this magnitude being postponed because of injuries.

The famous Ali listed rematch. Ali was injured in training. The fight was put off for a couple of months. The famous Foreman/Ali rumble in the jungle, Foreman was injured in training, the fight was postponed for a month. The right thing was done.

BALDWIN: So in this case, hubris and hope, perhaps, and a lot of money. So depending on the outcome of this investigation, if Pacquiao, if right, if he loses his license, there was a lot of money that was wrapped up in this match. As we mentioned, betting, earnings, TV sales, et cetera. What happens then?

MERCHANT: They will try to repackage this boring con job as a rematch.

BALDWIN: No way. Do you think so?

MERCHANT: I have no idea what will happen -- sure. It's boxing. It's business. Greed is not just good, it's great. My guess is this will pass over, that there will be doctors who will confirm that Manny felt better during training. My question is, how could a fighter who has an injury a month before the fight train properly for the fight? And that's why if it was the so-called fight of the century, it was the bore or con of the century.

[15:40:07] BALDWIN: All right. So we'll wait and see what happens. In the meantime, on the other side, Floyd Mayweather, who you had a healthy conversation with a couple years ago. Take a look.

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FLOYD MAYWEATHER, PROFESSIONAL BOXER: You never give me a fair shake. HBO needs to fire you. You don't know (bleep) about boxing. You isn't (bleep). You're not (bleep).

MERCHANT: I wish I was 50 years younger and I'd kick your ass.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Woo! That's the drop of mic moment in the show, Larry. Have you had words with him since? Would you take him on?

MERCHANT: Well, you know, to me, Floyd Mayweather is like this super perfume salesman who's going to change your life and then you put it on and it's soap and water. He's a virtue owe sew technical fighter for whom this kind of boring, dull fight is normal.

BALDWIN: Well, the perfume may not smell good, but seems to be doing pretty well in the nickel nickels, pennies department.

Larry, Larry Merchant, a pleasure. Thank you so much.

MERCHANT: Sure is.

BALDWIN: Thank you, sir.

MERCHANT: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, an interview you don't want to miss. A woman who used to work at Baltimore's worst jail. She gives a heart- wrenching glimpse into what the city is coping with right now. She calls it a no-win situation. Our conversation live next.

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[15:45:46] BALDWIN: There are a number of people who live life going without lights or running water. If you walk down the wrong street, you could get shot. A lot of children finish school without knowing how to read. The school where the steps have dried blood on them. I'm talking about parts of Baltimore, a city that erupted into

demonstrations and riots following last month's death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray while many custody of police. And now a city told through the eyes of Summer Robinson, a former correctional officer at what she calls Baltimore's worst jail. She documents the struggles in an opinion piece in "The Baltimore Sun," entitled "a no-win situation in Baltimore." She works in the welfare department at the department of welfare in social services and joins me now.

Summer, great to have you on.

SUMMER ROBINSON, A FORMER CORRECTIONAL OFFICER, BALTIMORE: Hi, Brooke. Nice to talk to you.

BALDWIN: So we'll be crystal clear, you know. What you're about to share doesn't represent the views of the state agency, but you know, in your personal experience as a former prison guard, tell me about it. Why do you call it the worst jail?

ROBINSON: You know, Baltimore city is like a place like no other. And our jails are very overcrowded. That's not the fault of our state, of course. It's just a product of the environment that a lot of people here have to grow up in and be raised in. And when you're dealing with that level of overcrowding or you're dealing with -- we have a lot of gang issues. Things like that, that's what's making the jails as bad as they are here.

BALDWIN: You mentioned a lot of details in your piece actually came from your husband, who grew up not too far from that CVS that was looted and burned down right there at Penn, North Avenues. Can you tell me what it was like for him growing up?

ROBINSON: You know, since we've been together, we've been together a long time, and I've heard stories from when him and his brothers grew up. And you know, they've really affected the way I've seen things because I did not grow up that way. But to hear the stories that he's told, it really gives you an insight into what these people go through.

BALDWIN: Tell me one of the stories.

ROBINSON: They went two years without electricity. They didn't have running water. They had -- their parents were using generators to keep them warm. We had a situation recently here where a family died from carbon monoxide poisoning from using a generator because they didn't have lights. His mother told me a story where she woke up in the middle of the night and, you know, her body was numb and she had to hurry up and get the kids out of the house because the generator had been producing carbon monoxide. Things like that are what families in Baltimore are struggling with every day.

BALDWIN: And what they're struggling with, that's not news. It's part of what we've been shining, you know, a light on since we've been in Baltimore. I was walking around Santown (ph) a couple mornings last week talking to the young people because to me, that's the most important story. And so, you know, I talked to members of Congress, and there are big, sort of lofty, you know, ideas of change, but you live it. Give me a specific example of something that you think could change today.

ROBINSON: You know, I think that we need to start focusing on the children here in Baltimore. We need to start with them. If we want to improve things. We need to start funding programs for them. We need to start funding rec centers, after-school programs, you know, big brother big sister programs, things like that. We need to set up things where children can actually be involved in after-school sports, you know, stay busy, stay out of trouble and feel like there's somebody that actually cares about them so they don't turn to these gangs and these lives of crime because they feel like they have nowhere else to turn.

BALDWIN: Summer Robinson, thank you so much.

Let's turn now to a little bit of breaking news we are getting.

This large tornado reported in rural Kansas. We're told it's in the northeast section of the town of Lincoln. Tornado warning right now in effect for that county. We will take you there. Back in a moment.

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[15:53:22] BALDWIN: Breaking now, a large tornado reported in rural Kansas. We are told this is northeast of Lincoln. The tornado warning in effect right now for this entire county.

Jennifer Gray is all over this.

Jennifer, what are you seeing?

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, Brooke. We have a tornado warning for Lincoln County. And that's until 3:15 central time. Impacting the city of Bernard. And this is moving to the north- northeast just as you said. We have had multiple reports of a tornado on the ground. So if you are in this area, make sure you seek shelter immediately. Get into a small interior room. If you have a storm shelter, that's where you are going to be the safest. So try to put as many walls as you can between yourself and the outside. That's where you're going to be the safest.

This is all part of a broader system that stretches everywhere from Kansas all the way down into Oklahoma, even as far south as Texas. In fact, we have a tornado watch in effect until 9:00 central time for portions of Kansas and also portions of Oklahoma and even Texas.

This is also a tornado watch until 9:00. In fact, you're looking at some live pictures now of Cato county in Oklahoma. And you can see some ominous skies out there. So do stay updated. We do have some pretty nasty weather headed your way throughout the rest of the evening into the overnight. This is a fluid situation. Of course, we are going to stay on top of it for the rest of the evening, Brooke. So we'll bring you the very latest.

BALDWIN: Ominous, indeed. Jennifer Gray, thank you so much. We'll be in contact.

Meantime, we end with our series on Revenge Porn. It has destroyed so many lives. Victims are absolutely devastated when ex-lovers or friends or maybe even total strangers post their naked photos online.

I want to tell you this incredible story about a person who is helping lead the fight against revenge porn.

Laurie Segall is back. She interviews a mother who went undercover to help put revenge porn criminals in jail.

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[15:55:07] LAURIE SEGALL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): 24-years- old, she took a selfie. She didn't send it to anyone but herself but somehow it ended up all over the web.

CHARLOTTE LAWS, MOTHER OF REVENGE PORN VICTIM: My daughter's topless picture ended up on the most notorious revenge porn Web site. She had taken photos in the mirror with her cell phone. She sent them through her email. And she had no intention of ever showing that topless picture to anyone.

SEGALL: Until a hacker named Charlie Evans broke into her inbox. He sold her photo to Hunter Moore, a man dobbed (ph) as king of Revenge Porn. Revenge Porn is a growing form of harassment. Your most personal photos posted online for anyone to see.

Moore built a career targeting women and posting their nudes on his site. It is anyone up. And when he needed more picture, he hired Evans to hack into women's private accounts. But those days would end when they took on Charlotte's daughter.

When you got the call as a mom, how did you react?

LAWS: Just to see my daughter in tears over this and I felt so helpless.

SEGALL: You take this to a new level as a mother. I mean, you became this private investigator.

LAWS: I had a huge box of information. I had found victims all over the country who had been hacked by the same hacker. And so, I was able to give this information to the FBI.

The first time I went undercover, I was helping victims who wanted to serve him papers. So in addition to running the site, he would periodically host parties. So I'm locking the door and -- my car door and I have this crazy get-up on. I have this white pasty stuff on my face, sunglasses, and you know, . And I turned around in the parking lot and the person who's standing there in my face is Hunter Moore.

SEGALL: Taking on Hunter Moore means taking on his cult-like following.

LAWS: I've gotten death threats. I had a stalker at my house on two separate evenings. So it was very scary.

SEGALL: For weeks, I tried over and over again to try to get in touch with Charlie Evans. The man who hacked Charlotte's daughter and so many other women. I tried him one last time after leaving Charlotte's home, he answered.

When it comes down to it, just why?

CHARLIE EVANS, HACKER (via phone): He offered me money. I was in a bad place.

SEGALL: What was it like the first time you hacked into a woman's facebook or twitter account?

EVANS: That's a loaded question. I'll seem like a sociopath if I say it gave me a rush. But it doesn't feel real when I'm in my room, lights off, doors locked, I don't feel the consequences. If I had to look at somebody in the face and do that, you know, it would be a different story. I did it for money. Again, that makes me sound like a monster.

SEGALL: How much money? Was the money that glad?

EVANS: It's scary how quickly I would drop my morals for so little. How much those women were worth. It was like $500 a week. $1,000 a week. You have to do all these mental gymnastics to be able to live with yourself.

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BALDWIN: That is crazy. He agreed to talk to you, Laurie Segall. And that people, perfect stranger, hacked into innocent people's phones, take their photos, put them all over the internet. Makes me cringe.

SEGALL: You know, and he was remorseful. Well, we will save that. But it almost felt like, you know, a lot of people have been trying to contact this guy and he hasn't had said one. And it almost like he had this confessional where he wants to talk about it a little bit. He is going away to prison, by the way, in the next couple of months. But it really is, you know, what I think he said was, behind a computer, it just doesn't feel real. He said that, you know, I think we're losing a little bit of the sense of empathy. And that's driving this form of cyber harassment. People behind a computer, you know, clicking on this content, it doesn't feel real.

BALDWIN: But it is so real. And it is so disgusting. How are certain online communities even encouraging this behavior?

SEGALL: We're at this really interesting time where -- let's say that you might have had it in you to do this, God forbid. But now there are all these online communities where these pictures are bought and sold, where the links to these websites are posted. You know, Hunter Moore, who is the guy who actually had this notorious Web site, he had a following. And they used the hashtag, the family. And any women who tried to fight him, he went up against and his followers went up against them. So it is really interesting point where we have this online community urging this kind of behavior and hopefully companies will begin to crack down. Twitter has started cracking down and so has read it.

BALDWIN: Good. Twenty seconds, what's tomorrow?

SEGALL: Tomorrow is a very, very interesting one. We're going to hear how a woman had to copyright her naked images, send them to the government to protect herself. You can understand how illegal (INAUDIBLE) are very scary here.

BALDWIN: Copyright her own nude images. We will see you tomorrow and also Laurie's special Saturday night 7:30 p.m. Eastern.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thanks for being with me. "The LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts right now.