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Deadly Amtrak Accident Near Philadelphia; A College Professor`s Tweets Provoked Debate On Campus And Outrage; Women Are Freezing Their Eggs And It Is Up By 400 Percent This Year. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired May 13, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: All right, everybody. Let us get started with breaking news. A deadly train accident on the busiest rail line in North
America. Philadelphia`s Mayor is blaming engineer. Take a look at this.
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JOAN HELMAN, AMTRAK CRASH SURVIVOR: We were just on the train and all of a sudden, it started to shake.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: An Amtrak train has crashed tonight in Philadelphia.
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JEREMY WLADIS, AMTRAK CRASH SURVIVOR: And, things start flying, phones, laptops, then people.
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR, NEWSROOM: It is train 188. It was headed from Washington, D.C. to New York. It rounded this bend and then just flew off
the tracks.
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JANNA D`AMBRISI, AMTRAK CRASH SURVIVOR: I was thrown against the girl next to me, against the window and people from the other side of the aisle
started falling on top of us.
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR, NEW DAY: Over 200 people on board, derailing, rolling on its side on the tracks outside of Philadelphia.
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MICHAEL NUTTER, PENNSYLVANIA MAYOR: We will now confirm that unfortunately, there are seven individuals who are deceased as a result of
the tragedy.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator, author of a new book, "Messages For Joey: A Few Things You Need To Know About Life,
Friendship, Money, Love, Self." Michael Catherwood, my co-host from "Love Line" and KABC "Midday Life" and Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywood.com.
And, joining us via Skype from Philadelphia. I have Trey Yingst. He is a journalist with News2Share.com. Trey, thank you so much. You were right
there at the train, at the crash site. Can you tell us what you are seeing?
TREY YINGST, NEWS2SHARE JOURNALIST: Sure. There is a number of rescue personnel, Amtrak workers and NTSB workers really trying to figure out
exactly what happened. We are still in the early hours, really following this. I mean it has only been a day.
And, that is really not enough time, these workers are telling me to figure out what happened and to continue with this investigation. And, it is
clear from what I can see that there is an active investigation going on right now.
PINSKY: And, Trey, I know how you are going to get on into things there on the ground and sort of do your own interviewing and your own field work.
Have you spoken to anyone who witnessed anything that gives you any more information than what we are hearing in the main media?
YINGST: Yes, I spoke with a number of people who live just a few feet away from where this crash happened. One woman told me that there was a crash
at this bend in the 1940s and said she expected something like this to happen.
Another woman was explaining the horrific injuries that she saw last night as people were kind of pulled out of this train. She was talking a lot
about head trauma and some people that had broken bones.
PINSKY: It is awful. Is there anything about the people that are in the hospital now, I mean, you said head trauma. Whenever I hear critical care,
I think, you know, after an incident like this, I just think head trauma. And, you know, that is never going to be good. Any new information about
the people in the hospital?
YINGST: Not a whole lot of new information about people in the hospital. I did speak with former Governor Ed Rendell. And, he did told me that this
did not have to happen. He really wanted to focus on the security and the safety precautions that some people on the other side of the aisle are
trying to take.
And, he said that this could have been avoided. And, he really wanted to stress that but he did make sure that he expresses condolences for the
families and the victims of this crash.
PINSKY: Trey, thank you for the report. If you come upon anything of a novel or new nature, we will check you a little bit later. Keep up with
the great work.
YINGST: Sure.
PINSKY: You know, I had seen figure, Danine, where people are saying that the incidents of train misadventures and decreasing federal funding, there
is sort of an inverse relationship there.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: I can see that, because there is not as enough resources being put into transportation. And a lot of times
there is a safety factor that does not get put into play because of the fact that they are cutting corners. They are cutting costs. And, people
are rushing through projects instead of taking time to do what is necessary to make it safe.
PINSKY: It is so weird. Guys, first of all, a couple things. You, guys, ever had a weird feeling riding on a train? I am more fearful.
MANETTE: I have not.
PINSKY: I am more fearful riding on train than I am on an airplane.
VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: No. I feel safer on the train because it is on the ground, so I feel much safer.
PINSKY: Yes. You like being on the ground. But, somehow, that speeding by, and watching the speed you are going. And, if you guys are aware, but
deceleration injuries, you know, when you go from being very fast and being very slow, people think in terms of you hitting things or other things
hitting you.
Of course that is problematic. But, just this part of your body, let us say you were leaning against something, your insides keep moving and you
actually can tear your aorta open. So, deceleration -- You can tear the veins in your head.
BARNETT: That does not sound good.
PINSKY: There are vanes that sit around the skull, all around the brain, they can tear, you can bleed to death, either intracranially or in your
chest, especially in aorta tearing open at the -- it was called the ductus arteriosus. It goes ripped as it keeps moving forward even though your
body is still.
MANETTE: How is that different from a car accident?
PINSKY: Same thing. Same thing. And, somehow, I guess in a plane, I figured it is all going to be over. You do not have to worry about it.
Now, Patrick Murphy, a former Pennsylvania congressman and Iraq War veteran was aboard the train when it crashed. He spoke to NBC`s Today Show. Take
a look.
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PATRICK MURPHY, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA CONGRESSMAN/IRAQ WAR VETERAN: I checked my body parts, my legs and arms -- that they were there. So, I
kind of popped up and then just wanted to take care of things. You know, it was -- even though -- Amtrak woman, Ms. Bryant, that she was there.
She was standing up to an accident. She was -- I could tell, she was shooken up and not in good shape but even she was getting ice there for the
injured people right there until we saw those fire fighters come through heroically.
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PINSKY: He also tweeted photos from the scene. I believe you guys perhaps have some of those to show -- Just awful stuff. Yes, you know, but I will
tell you what. As awful as this is, this is when the best in humanity comes forward too. I mean these first responders, and people on the scene
who helped out. It is breathtaking sometimes when you see this.
MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S CO-HOST O "LOVE LINE": Yes. Often times I feel like I get a little bit too kind of cutesy and maybe pollyannaish on
my view on humanity. Because, everybody, it is very easy to be cynical about like humanity as a whole. But, I really do think that when the
proverbial poo poo hits the fan, that most of us are really concerned about other people at our core.
PINSKY: You had instant reaction to this, being a mother.
BARNETT: Yes, of course you want to help. If you are hearing someone scream in a train car, your first instinct is to help them. But, as a
mother now, my daughter is almost 2. I think about the fact that I need to go home to her. And, I am not a selfish person.
I would never want to run away from a tragedy like that, but I also know I have her to think of. And, God forbid if she was with me. I would be
worried about getting her so far away from that train, I do not want to sound like I would not help, because of course she want to, but there are
so many factors that are in play.
PINSKY: Mother instinct kicks in. You had an experience, did you not?
MANETTE: Dr. Drew, when was 20 years old, I was sitting at an intersection and I was sitting there at a traffic light. And, across the intersection
was a camper and a woman in the camper got out. The man got out and came around, grabbed the woman, threw her back in the camper and began punching
through the window --
BARNETT: Oh my God!
MANETTE: Punching her over and over and over again. There was a dog in the camper, got out and ran down the street. And, I sat there just
immobilized at that traffic light. The light turned green. And, you know what I did? I went to the light, I got on the freeway and I went about my
business.
And, I have been haunted by that for the rest of my life, because I did nothing. I will never again in life sit by and do nothing. If somebody is
in peril, stand next to me because I am going to help you.
PINSKY: I see you tearing up just at that thought. Today, you could have at least have a cell phone -- you got a cell phone.
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MANETTE: Right. I did not have a cell phone back then right. I could have done something, though and to stand by and absolutely do nothing, it
haunts me.
PINSKY: Yes. But, Danine -- Danine, I think most law enforcement see, you did the right thing. They could have two victims if you got involved on
that.
MANETTE: I could have made a phone call though. I could have dialed 911 from a pay phone. I could have done something besides go about my 20-year-
old life. I could have reached out and helped in some way that kept for myself say, I will never do that again. I will help any chance I ever get
to help somebody.
PINSKY: I believe you.
BARNETT: I want to hug her.
PINSKY: Go hug her. Hug her.
CATHERWOOD: You can probably kiss her, too.
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PINSKY: All right. Next up, we are going to talk about the fears that people may have about getting on trains. Like, I have, even planes, we
will get into that in great detail. Back after this.
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JEREMY WLADIS, AMTRAK CRASH SURVIVOR: I was eating, and the next thing you know the train starts doing funny things and then it just gradually gets
worse and worse. And, things start flying -- phones, laptops, then people.
You did not even know what was going on. And, the next thing I know, I look up and there is two people in the luggage rack above my head. When we
got out, we saw the train and the train, you know, looked like a pretzel.
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PINSKY: We are discussing the breaking news out of Philadelphia tonight. I am back with Danine, Mike, Vanessa. And, joining us is Captain Tom Bunn.
He is the author of "SOAR: The Breakthrough Treatment For Fear Of Flying." And, Danine, you are afraid of flying. Right?
MANETTE: Yes.
PINSKY: You have paralyzing fear of flying.
MANETTE: Yes. I cannot stand flying. And, what I have learned to do is to focus on the flight attendants because if they are not acting nervous,
then I know we are OK.
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PINSKY: But is the train seem a viable alternative?
MANETTE: Yes.
PINSKY: See, my thing is -- my thing is like, "Hey, everyone is getting on trains. Hey, look, everybody. Train got some stuff going on to." I mean
cars are worse than trains.
MANETTE: But, you have a better chance of surviving a car crash or a train wreck --
BARNETT: Exactly.
MANETTE: -- than you do in a plane, as everyone is going down together.
BARNETT: I was scared of flying for a very long time. I was in D.C. during 9/11. And, from my campus -- I was on campus from my room, I could
see the Pentagon, the smoke from the pentagon. And, after that I could not fly home. I took a bus home to Michigan, 17 hours on a bus because I would
not fly.
PINSKY: All right, Tom, what can I do with my panel here?
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BARNETT: Help us. Help us, please.
CATHERWOOD: Do not include me in that.
PINSKY: I am not. I am talking about the two of you, but I am not sure that the train or the bus is the alternative to fear of flying.
CAPT. TOM BUNN, USAF (RET.): No, I do not. We have run into hopeless cases here. No. Actually what happens is if --
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MANETTE: Great.
CAPT. BUNN: When you are in a situation, you are actually in a situation, you are dealing with relatively few things. Getting out of there, for
example. It is when you look back at it and you say, "What if this, what if that, what if the next thing." Then you have many things to come to
mind.
Now, think of each of these as an item. If there is just one thing that comes to mind in the real situation, it gives you one shot of stress. OK,
but the next day when you look back at it, you might think of ten things that could have gone wrong that could have done you in. So, you get ten
times as much stress level. So, a person can --
PINSKY: So, what do you do for people like Danine that needs to go fly somewhere? How can she overcome that and be more rationale with her
choices?
CATHERWOOD: Drugs.
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CAPT. BUNN: Well, the part of the brain that releases stress hormones has already learned as far as she is concerned I am not going to do it. But,
what we would do is show her how she could train her mind to produce Oxytocin when she is on the airplane. Oxytocin, as you know, the hormone
that shuts down the fear system.
PINSKY: So, basically, you need to have sex while you are on the plane? Because that is what releases Oxytocin -- a breast-feed or whatever? I
mean that is what releases Oxytocin --
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CAPT. BUNN: There you go. That is it.
PINSKY: Breast-feeding, sex. Mike stand for this -- Or at least think about intimate things is that right?
CAPT. BUNN: It might not be able to -- all the passengers on the plane probably cannot do that.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Probably not. Probably not. Let me get out to my audience and see if there is more rational questions for us. Go ahead. Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So, my question is actually right on this topic. I had my first ever panic attack last summer.
PINSKY: Welcome to the club.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: But, I am not anxiety stricken whatsoever. I have never experienced panic like this before. It was right before I got
on the plane to go across the Atlantic alone. I have flown all my life, never had a problem. I have always enjoyed flying. I have always been
with people that were stressed about it.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: And, maybe that took it away from me. But, when I was alone, it -- I freaked out.
PINSKY: So, you think it was directly related to a fear of flying. You had a sudden onset panic. Were you able to get on the plane and fly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I did. I still got on the plane. I made the flight safely. It was really turbulent. So, the whole time I was on
the plane --
PINSKY: You are freaking out?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: -- I was really nervous, sitting on my chair, like freaking out. And, I have tried to do everything I could, my
yoga breathing and just mentally taking myself to another place, but I could not control my heartbeat and I did not know what to do because I have
never experienced panic like that.
PINSKY: Was there anything else going on? Could you -- Did you drink a bunch the night before?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No.
PINSKY: Did you smoke some pot or something?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: No, because sometimes -- legitimate question. Sometimes, you know, something else will induce -- not a panic response but a acceleration
of your autonomic nervous system that you interpret as panic because it is a stressful thing you faced with. And, the two together really send you.
No?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, I was about to go work in Spain for a couple months. So, maybe it was a huge change in my life.
PINSKY: So, a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. So, maybe it is about that.
PINSKY: So, Tom, this is my understanding to sort of common of fear of flying that they can be often in people who are -- have no trouble flying
and there is a sudden slow onset of this panic and fear that comes late -- I had that, too and this having panic disorder.
CAPT. BUNN: The average time -- the average age of onset is 27. This when you get mature enough to realize something could get you, which you have
control. But you know, you have Steve Fortson (ph). And, Steve has discovered that when you are with another person, if they are giving you
the right signals, that calms you.
PINSKY: Yes.
CAPT. BUNN: Now, she was by herself as you pointed out. That is an important factor.
PINSKY: Yes.
CAPT. BUNN: And, one of the ways we deal with this is to find a person that is calming to you and build that person inside you.
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PINSKY: No. He is right. And, now, Danine has sort of developed kind of a surrogacy component, that she looks at the flight attendants.
MANETTE: Right.
PINSKY: Sometimes you can look at another person on the plane, you find sort of for some reason you can relate to in appealing way and it can calm
you and release little Oxytocin.
But, listen, this is an opportunity for us to address things like fear of have travelling and anxiety and flying or whatnot. But bottom line is our
hearts and thoughts are with the people in Philadelphia, the people that were in this terrible accident.
And, hats off to the first responders who got there and made this less of a tragedy as always. I mean to me, that is the breathtaking part of these
sorts of incidents. The people that go in selflessly and help others. We have got a lot more to come. We are back after this.
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PINSKY: Time for the segment we call "Sexting." This is your chance to ask myself, my panel, Danine, Mike, Vanessa, all of your relationships
relating to your sexual questions. We are going to go out before the audience, we will go out to Twitter. Let us see. Kelly asks, "Is it true
that too much sex can stretch out your lady parts?"
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: Yes.
PINSKY: No.
BARNETT: Yes! That is so true. Look, I know I am not the doctor here, but I know many of girls who have lost their walls because of too much sex.
That is a thing. That is a thing.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Your lady parts are designed to handle baby parts.
BARNETT: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: Baby come out once.
BARNETT: Right. Exactly, Mike.
PINSKY: And it goes back to normal --
BARNETT: Do not be mean.
PINSKY: Yes, do not be mean. How many children do you have?
MANETTE: I have two.
PINSKY: OK. And, then --
MANETTE: I have three, by birth two.
PINSKY: OK.
MANETTE: And, one was really, really big.
PINSKY: And, everything kind of goes back to normal. That is what it is designed to do.
BARNETT: All right.
PINSKY: Something like Mike is not going to harm you at all. What are you worried about? I mean it is fine. Everything is fine.
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: There we go.
PINSKY: This whole notion -- In fact, I get very upset. Boy are we getting into an oblique topic here. I get very upset particularly when the
young males will describe a woman as loose. The whole term loose was designed to mean loose morals, not loose walls, is that what you dropped
it?
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: Yes. It is a real thing.
PINSKY: No. It is not a real. Jen used to drop that. Stop that. It is offensive. Yes, from the audience. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. Hello. So, I need help with something.
PINSKY: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: With my skills. So, I have heard about lots of numbing agents and creams and gels, but I really want to know how can I
make oral sex better?
PINSKY: Mike?
CATHERWOOD: For a man?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: For men?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: I honestly, I think that there is a lot of ideas around women -- women have a pervasive idea that like deep throating or the deeper you
go with the mouth is like a great idea. It is more of a parlor trick. And, the more you coordinate the movement of the hand with your mouth.
PINSKY: You get the idea.
CATHERWOOD: I am very positive.
PINSKY: Let me just say this. Let me just say this.
CATHERWOOD: I am trying not to mime it.
PINSKY: When Corolla -- thank you for that. When Corolla and I used to do "Love Line" MTV, he had a way of saying -- we get this question all the
time. And, he would say, "Look, it is like pizza. It is all good. You can only screw it up by adding more stuff on it. Just pizza. Just think
pizza, you are fine."
Adrienne tweet -- Thank you for that. Adrienne ask, "Can using vibrator desensitize you, making it harder to orgasm with a partner?" And, that
absolutely does happen. Not everyone that happens too, but it certainly can.
CATHERWOOD: But, you have to be really committed to your vibrator, right? I mean you have to be like hard --
PINSKY: Like married to it.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: No. Well, no. You do not -- Women can -- some are sensitive that way, depends on what equipment they are using or whatnot, but they have to
take breaks. Take breaks, so you do not get desensitized to it or else you have to start incorporating that into whatever else you are doing because
you are dependent upon it.
BARNETT: Oh God!
PINSKY: Vanessa, you are looking with great interest.
BARNETT: Well, I do not want to get too persona, but I did not know that. I did not know that information.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: You will be taking a break is what you are saying. OK. Audience, yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. Hi. I am 31. I have never been with a woman for more than a year. I have never lived with a woman and --
CATHERWOOD: Good call.
(LAUGHING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: My current girlfriend just got out of a four- year relationship.
PINSKY: What tends to happen with these relationships, why do they end?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I do not know. Something with me.
PINSKY: Yes. I am wondering what they tell you? -- Danine?
MANETTE: You need to ask your ex-girlfriends why they are ending. Because maybe there is something that you are not aware of that you are doing or
that is making them push away from you.
PINSKY: Or maybe you are pulling away --
MANETTE: And, maybe you need to get in touch with those who have left and find out why.
PINSKY: Or you are pulling away. They sense it. They complete the cycle. Did you grow up without a parent or something? Did somebody abandon you
when you were young?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: No. Both my parents, they divorced when I was in junior high, so --
PINSKY: Did one of them abandoned you after that? One have leave you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: No. I am in contact with both of them.
PINSKY: No contact. Did you continue to live in and around both of them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Just one. My mother.
PINSKY: OK. That is called abandonment. That is what it is. When your parent is not in your life on a regular basis, that is abandonment. And
that can affect kids even in junior high school age profoundly and can affect their ability to be feel comfortable and safe in intimacy.
It does not have to, everybody. I am not saying everybody that had that experience is necessarily will have intimacy stuff, but it sure can. I
would start to look in that area. Because that may be the phenomenon that is sort of coming to bear here, OK? You asked.
All right. Let us go back to Twitter. My boyfriend -- It is from Meredith. "My boyfriend lost his job, our sex life has gone south. Is his
sex drive really tied to his career?"
CATHERWOOD: Hell yes.
PINSKY: Yes. I see Mike nodding vigorously. You cannot overestimate how much men`s place in the world figures into. How they about themselves and
how they function intimately.
MANETTE: I hear that men feel better about themselves when their career is going well and women feel better about themselves when their personal life
is going well. So, I think that, that may have a lot to do with what, you know, the person on Twitter is talking about.
BARNETT: That is why lame guys are bad in bed because they do not have that confidence -- No, I am serious. They do not have that confidence.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: OK. Yes, young lady in the audience.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: A lot of my female friends have never had an orgasm.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: And, a lot of them say that it is actually something that is physically impossible for them.
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: Are these my ex-girlfriends?
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I was just wondering if this is something that is actually physically impossible for certain people?
PINSKY: No, no. It is not impossible for anybody. But, it is sort of -- For some women -- and again, women are a spectrum in their responsiveness
and how they function. So, do not assume that whomever you are talking to functions the way you do.
But, for some women it does not sort of come online until their early 20s. It is very difficult until then. Some of that is the hormonal environment.
Some of it is their familiarity with how they function.
CATHERWOOD: That is a big deal, too. You know, guys kind of workings -- are equipment. It is like a Toyota Camry.
PINSKY: No.
CATHERWOOD: I mean it is really reliable and it is almost all the same whereas a woman -- a woman, the vegine is like a vintage Ferrari and that
it is very beautiful and very different and unique and it is handmade. And it does not necessarily work the same way for each owner --
BARNETT: Can we calm him down.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Right. Right. Now, that is exactly right. And, the way I said it, the operation of the male just an on/off switch.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: Females is the flight deck of a 747. Every plane is different. Every plane is completely different.
(LAUGHING)
Leila on Twitter asked "Should you have sex with your spouse even if you are not in the mood?" Ladies, what do you think about that?
MANETTE: Well, sometimes actions follow feelings. Sometimes feelings follow actions.
PINSKY: Might you get resentful, though if you force it.
MANETTE: Yes. I mean, no one should feel like they have to do something that they do not want to do.
BARNETT: Exactly.
MANETTE: If you are not, you know, feeling like you want to do something - -
PINSKY: But, should you kind of step -- Mike is saying please step it up.
BARNETT: I feel like, you should be open to it. Maybe a little bit of kissing might get you there. But, if you are really like not there, and if
something going on mentally. Maybe you had a bad day or maybe you just cannot get yourself there, I think because this is your life partner, you
can say, "You know what? Not tonight, babe."
MANETTE: Just because you are married that does not mean you are not in charge of your own body anymore.
PINSKY: OK. One more quick audience question. Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi. I am just curious whether or not a cup or IUD would affect a woman`s ability to have an organism --
PINSKY: Copper? Not the progesterone impregnated --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.
PINSKY: Should not. Do you notice some change? Yes.
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: Way to put her on the spot.
PINSKY: I would go back and talk to whoever put the IUD in. Are you sure you did not get something with progesterone because that can?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I have PeriGuard.
PINSKY: So --
CATHERWOOD: LET me check it out. Come on.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: I think it should not, but something have happened, so I would have to -- Did you come off hormones? Maybe that affected it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No.
PINSKY: OK. All right. Thank you. Next up, a college professor`s tweets provoked debate on campus and outrage. We are back after this.
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SAIDA GRUNDY, BOSTON UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR (audio re-enactment): Why is white American so reluctant to identify white college males as a problem
population?
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GRUNDY: Every MLK week, I commit myself to not spending a dime in white owned business and every year I find it nearly impossible.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: That was tweeted by Boston University Saida Grundy, professor of sociology and African-American studies.
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GRUNDY (audio re-enactment): "Dear white people, you are all Ben Affleck. Those euphemisms for your ancestors like `farmers` and `pioneers` means
owned humans and killed natives."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The university president defended Grundy`s right to express her opinions but also expressed concern and
disappointment.
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PINSKY: Time for something we call "What The?" And, I am sure somebody will ask me that very question right now. Danine, Mike, Vanessa are back
along with Larry Elder, radio commentator. He is here via Skype.
That Boston University Professor is set to begin work in July. And, so far the university is standing directly behind her. She is also now changed
her Twitter settings to private. So, Vanessa, do you stand behind her as well? Should she be fired? Should she be sanctioned or should she be just
left alone to speak her mind?
BARNETT: I do not think she should be fired. She is an African-American studies professor. I do not find her comments that surprising to me. I
think what she is attempting, although, it maybe came off offensive is balance the conversation.
I think so many times in the media -- white media, sometimes comments on the black community and tells us what our problem is. I think what she is
doing is the opposite. She is doing and saying these are issues that are in the white community that are sometimes overlooked.
PINSKY: You know, I have seen those kinds of statements from African- American study professors, not necessarily on social media but the idea that we, you know, give people a pass if they were, you know, if they were
owners or killers of natives, which she calls them. I understand that.
We call them farmers or with homesteaders. We have different ways of looking at them. I understand. I think she is just trying to be polemic
and just trying to get us to think maybe.
BARNETT: Absolutely. Like she is pushing the boundary. Maybe some people are not happy with her word choice, but these are issues that do need to be
talked about.
PINSKY: Now, Danine, if a white professor tweeting out racist comments, I am not so sure the University -- No? Mike, you are saying no.
CATHERWOOD: Do not even get me started with what would happen if a nonblack professor said, "Why is it so hard for white America to -- or
black America to admit that black males are a problem?" -- black collegiate males are a problem?
Like how is that -- What a glimmering generalization. It is a nonsensical statement. To say that there is obvious, you know, disadvantages to
everyone else in this country that is not white, it is a very true statement. I get that. But, her choice of wording is beyond offensive and
nonsensical, practically.
PINSKY: All right. Danine.
MANETTE: See, the problem is that we are so quick to silence people. I am not into firing people and silencing people. I do not think Paula Deen
should have been fired or silenced. I do not think that Donald Sterling should have been fired. I think that we are so busy trying to close down
the dialogue when we could learn from other people.
Instead of trying to silence someone and put them in the closet and tell them to be quiet. If you are feeling that way, I want to know why. I want
to open up the dialogue. This is a collegiate environment. Let me find out why you had them?
PINSKY: Larry Elder. Larry Elder. I like where Danine is coming from. What do you say?
LARRY ELDER, RADIO COMMENTATOR: If this were a white professor we be talking about former Professor Grundy. She would have been fired
yesterday. You saw what happened to those students at Oklahoma that were singing that racist song on that bus?
You saw what happened to Donald Sterling, the NFL -- the NBA made him divest himself of his own privately owned team because the NBA is a
privately owned organization. Boston University is a private university. They could fire her,.
They could fire here. They could figure out some sort of way of arguing that she misrepresented herself if they want to. If this were a white
professor, we would not be having this conversation. She will be fired.
PINSKY: Danine.
MANETTE: No one should be fired. That is my whole point. I think we are too quick to silence people when they have a valid point of view and we
need to hear what it is. That is reality.
PINSKY: And, Larry, I get what -- Larry, your free speech --
ELDER: What valid point of view?
MANETTE: We do not know, because if she is silenced we will never find out. But, let us talk.
PINSKY: But, Larry, you think that free speech is under attack. I mean you are sympathetic to what Danine is saying that we are so busy being PC.
We attack free speech. And, so, even this woman has a right to speak out and say offensive things.
ELDER: It is now free speech -- of course, she has a right of speaking but she does not work for a public university. She works for a private
university just like Donald Sterling worked for a private organization.
MANETTE: And he should have kept his job.
ELDER: She got to lose her job. This is ridiculous.
CATHERWOOD: I think we are arguing two separate points, you know?
BARNETT: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: I mean Mr. Elder is right and Danine is right. You know, Boston University certainly has the right to fire whoever they want, but
this young lady has the right to say whatever she wants. There is a gray area in the middle of that we are, you know, debating that we should kind
of be focusing on.
ELDER: No. There is no gray area in the middle. Boston University has speech codes. If she were a resident in a dorm, she would be accused of
offending people by using hate speech. She should be fired. This is not about the first amendment. It is about whether or not I as an employer
have the right to have somebody on my staff who I think offends people. He offends people --
MANETTE: What do you think she said that is hateful?
ELDER: -- and she teaches white students --
BARNETT: Give me the hateful part of what she said. Maybe you do not agree with what she said, but she did not say I hate all white people. She
just made points that some things need to be talked about in the white community.
ELDER: "Whites on college are a problem population." If somebody said young blacks get a disproportionately high percentage of crimes. They are
a problem population, what would you say? You want that person fired.
BARNETT: I was saying that maybe she needs to talk about what actually the subset is. You know what I am saying? She did not mean -- I do not
believe she meant to the say all white males, but we do know that there are some instances of issues on college campuses that need to be addressed that
are with while males.
ELDER: White males are a problem population. If some white guy said black males are a problem population, what the hell do you think would happen to
him?
BARNETT: Yes. You could repeat it all day long, but what does not change is that she was not being hateful. And, you cannot fire someone who is not
being racist.
MANETTE: I think that shutting down the conversation is not helpful.
PINSKY: OK. We are losing Larry. You are breaking up. We ask our viewers -- Larry, hold on one second. We asked our viewers if they agree
with the university`s position to stand by the professor.
62 percent said yes, 38 percent, no. Put the tweet back up. There it is. There is the poll. But, if you guys can put the tweak back up that these
guys are fighting about. Why is white America so reluctant to identify white college males as a problem population. That is not saying they are
problem population.
MANETTE: See. I understand that, that particular statement can be very inflammatory. I understand. I get that. There is a lot of inflammatory
statements that take place. But, just telling people to be quiet and let us not talk about it is not the solution to the problem.
CATHERWOOD: But, Danine, I agree --
MANETTE: I think regardless of what side you are on, people need to talk about --
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PINSKY: Hold on. One at a time, Larry. Larry?
ELDER: Every MLK day I try not to buy anything from a white person. And, it is becoming increasingly difficult. What if somebody say, I tried not
to buy something from a black-owned business. What do you think happen?
MANETTE: I want to know why they are saying that? I want to know what their reality and why they are saying it.
BARNETT: But, finding a multitude of black-owned businesses when there are weeks supporting black-owned businesses is difficult for her. She is not
saying that that -- she bringing a point up that it is difficult not be able to buy from non-black-own institutions. I do not think that is a
problem. She is just pointing out something.
CATHERWOOD: I think whether or not we can sit here and kind be the arbiters of what is racist and what is not racist, matter at hand is that,
you know, Dr. Drew and I on any different radio show, us right now on this television show hold up a certain standard of what we have to do when we
speak out loud when people can hear us.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, A private employer who pays you money to do things has every right to say, "You cannot really say that and represent my company."
MANETTE: Right.
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CATHERWOOD: I mean I think that a college professor to identify or to question the idea that all white students at college levels might be a
problem is a bit inflammatory.
BARNETT: -- black males all the time on social media every single day. Those people do not always lose their jobs.
PINSKY: You are going to have to yell at him and fight with one other during the commercial break. It is a live television show. I have to go
to break. But, let me tell you what. It is almost like it is almost difficult to disagree with each one of you. You are right. We are arguing
different points.
But, I will tell you what. Look at what she wrote very carefully. She wrote, she chose her words very, very carefully to be intentionally
inflammatory, to get us to think. So, let us use what she said and begin to think.
And, for God sakes, everybody, stop preventing people from expressing themselves because you do not agree -- you do not agree with them. Put
away the pitch forks and torches and listen and look and let us have real discourse. Back after this.
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PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix." This is where our panel discusses what is happening on their Facebook, Twitter, Instagram feeds. Back with Danine,
Mike and Vanessa. And, Danine you are up first.
MANETTE: Mine is coming from Twitter. And, apparently, according to whatclinic.com , women are freezing their eggs and it is up by 400 percent
this year. And, a lot of that has to be --
PINSKY: Good. Yay!
MANETTE: Yes --
PINSKY: Women being in control of their fertility. That is a good thing.
MANETTE: Exactly. And, even fertility testing is up by like 240 percent.
PINSKY: Think about it. If you want to focus on your career and delay having kids there is a way to do it. Your eggs are healthier earlier. Why
not freeze them? Why not?
MANETTE: Definitely. Therefore, you have to make a choice.
PINSKY: That is right.
MANETTE: You can pursue your education and career and not have to worry about running out of time to have kids. I think it is great.
PINSKY: There you go. It is expensive. Vanessa.
BARNETT: Very expensive. So, mine is from Facebook. Man, crazy story, he sneeze and a dart came out of his nose.
PINSKY: What?
BARNETT: I swear. This is like a little piece of rubber dart comes flying out of his nose.
PINSKY: Wait. I heard that he had chronic sinusitis. He had been treated for sinusitis for 40 years.
BARNETT: No --
PINSKY: Yes.
BARNETT: What he said that he thought he had hay fever and --
PINSKY: Yes for 40 years. Something shoved up there when he was 3.
BARNETT: Well, yes. He was 7, his mom took him to the doctor. They thought there was something in there. They did not see anything. It was
in there for 44 years. And, he thought he just had -- but no permanent damage. He is fine.
PINSKY: So, next time you get some nasal congestion, make sure you have not shoved a marble or dart up your nose. That is all I am saying. And,
you could be surprised, kids put foreign objects up their noses, especially the males. I know what it is with young boys.
MANETTE: Batteries.
PINSKY: Speaking of your thing, you go.
CATHERWOOD: #RealMenSupportWomen. A 15-year-old evil genius in Miami. This is from Instagram. He is 15 years old and he started bringing pads
and tampons to school to show that he supports women. And that all men of all ages should not be scared of women and their periods.
And, let me tell you something. This kid is the best. Because one of these days one of his schoolmates is going to come to school and she is
going to be in her cycle and she is going to need a tampon. This boy is going to have one. And, he is going to have sex with her.
PINSKY: No, no, he is not going to have sex. Not only is he going to be able to help her, but he will be able to put his arm out, console her.
What is the matter, Danine?
MANETTE: Nothing. He just comes out of nowhere with this stuff. I mean we are on a positive vibe and he throws --
PINSKY: Just ignore it, Danine.
MANETTE: What is positive about that is.
PINSKY: Move past it. Move past it.
CATHERWOOD: Come on, you are on your cycle, no problem, I have got you covered. Let me get my backpack open right here. I got all the tampons
you want.
PINSKY: Danine.
MANETTE: I am listening to you.
PINSKY: Good.
MANETTE: And to his story --
PINSKY: I say it is very positive. Because young males, they should be very tuned into this. Women should not feel bad or ashamed. This young
male is going to lead the way and young males do have --
CATHERWOOD: And, periods rip, man.
MANETTE: And, on a side note, Dr. Drew, I hear that homeless shelters are wishing that people would donate more feminine protection. Because if you
are a homeless woman on your cycle and there is no feminine protection available, that is somebody people should remember to do when they are
giving to the homeless, when they are giving clothes.
PINSKY: Well, there you go. All right. We are taking a break. Be right back after this.
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PINSKY: Back with something we call "Dr. Drew`s Qs. It is your chance to ask me any question on any topic. I literally do not know what is coming.
They just cult it together from our audience and I will try to answer the questions. Please do send them in on Facebook and Twitter as well. I will
try to get them. I will try to answer them.
And, I am going to start with a Facebook question. This is from Abraham. He asked, "Can you ever be cured of mental illness or is it only possible
to regulate with medication?" Like with any illness, it depends on what illness it is you are talking about. There is some illnesses that are
chronic like bipolar disorder or addiction. There are things that are like diabetes, chronic lifelong illnesses.
There are other mental health disorders like some abnormal grief reaction or something like that that tends to be self-limited. Even depression
often times is a single episode. If you have had a major depressive episode, you are at risk for a reoccurrence though you can anticipate it
getting better and going away at least in the short term. Let us go to the audience. Yes, ma`am. What do you got?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: What would be a good way for celebrities to enjoy the glam of parties and fame with avoiding the dangers of drug and
alcohol abuse?
PINSKY: I am not sure I understand what is behind -- you mean why do celebrities get to be addicts so often is really what is behind that
question, is not it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.
PINSKY: Yes. So, I have published research on this. I deal with lots of -- meet lots of -- I actually did personality inventories within narcissism
inventories on hundreds of them. One of them happened to be Robin Quivers who still hates me to this day because I covered something about it. Sorry
Robin. Peace and love. Peace and love.
We gave her, her results live on the radio and then I published and wrote about what had happened on the radio. She took great offense to the fact
that I wrote about it, not that Robin looked perplex by this. I was little perplex too, but I feel very bad about it.
Any event, I did this research and we discovered was that the people that seek celebrity tend to have lots of childhood trauma and high incidence of
the biology and genetics of alcoholism and addiction. So, they are set up for it. It is part of what is going on in them.
They sort of sees becoming a celebrity is a bid to feel better, just the way drugs and alcohol are bid to feel better. Becoming a celebrity for
some people is in fact that. So they are sort of set up for this.
If they are aware of it, and if they are tendency of mental health, maybe then getting treatment, maybe then they could be at a lower risk. If they
go on about their business, their risk is much higher than average. So, Scott on Twitter. "Can nutrition play a role in treating things like
treating depression, anxiety, bipolar, et cetera?"
PINSKY: Look, I was asked this question, I think a couple days ago. And, I was caught off guard by it. And, I have been thinking about it ever
since. All I could say when I was asked this question a few days ago was, well, certainly balancing your diet and the exercise and structure in your
day, and you know, having a rather rhythm.
I mean these are all very important things for your overall mental health. But, there are people who are researching and looking at specific kinds of
dietary interventions for mental health issues like depression, like anxiety. And, there is some -- I am not an expert in this area. I am not
up on that literature.
But, I know that people are looking carefully at that. I know myself, I use MCT oil as a sort of dietary supplement. I did notice it does affect
my mood a little bit. So, there is definitely a stuff out there. The problem is -- here is one thing I warn you, though.
If you have a mood disturbance do not treat yourself anymore than I would treat myself with medication or anything else if I thought I have any
medical problems. You need to get properly assessed, properly diagnosed and then with that doctor make a plan that may include some dietary
interventions and some lifestyle change and what not.
Hopefully not necessarily medication. But, that is what you and the doctor will decide together, not by yourself. Do not ever treat yourself. Do not
ever diagnose yourself. I would never do that. I have got a little bit of training. Back to the audience. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Hi. One of my friends is borderline bipolar. And, she is --
PINSKY: Borderline bipolar.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. She has gotten some treatments but never gone fully through any treatment.
PINSKY: She has been diagnose as bipolar?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. OK. She has a young boy.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: And, my question is, with young boys as impressionable as they are, raised in that environment, do they tend to
take after their parents and after a lifetime of watching that behavior or at some point do they say, "Ok, I understand that she is in a high and a
low and separate themselves from that?"
PINSKY: There is sort of many layers to answering that question. One is that if she truly has a bonafide bipolar disorder he is at risk for that.
It is a genetically familial kind of a pattern to it independent of where he is raise. So, independent of being around a parent that is
traumatizing, he is at risk.
Being around a parent that is scary to be around or maybe unreliable or maybe has chaos in their relationships or maybe does crazy things once in a
while, that can be highly traumatic. And, you know, kids respond one of two ways to that. They either, you know, dig in deeper and sort of try to
help themselves and find ways not to be like that and find other resources from other adults.
Or they become victims of that trauma and become unregulated themselves and have to have further risk for other kinds of -- even not just bipolar
disorder but personality disorders, behavioral disorders. So, yes, it is something to pay attention to. She needs to, on behalf of her child, take
care of herself. OK? All right.
Carol on Twitter, What is your favorite -- where do we get these questions? "What is your favorite tourist attraction in Los Angeles?"
PINSKY: I am pretty bland. I mean Disneyland pretty much does it for me. That is about it. I have many great experiences. I have triplets, and
they are now all graduating college this week. I will be making the tour around the country.
I have always had great family experiences there. Continues, they have been very kind to us. Please do -- Thank you audience for joining us.
Thank you all out there for watching. You can DVR this show. It never changes. It is not Dr. Drew On Call. It is "Dr. Drew" now. We will see
you tomorrow.
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