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Aired May 13, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. We go live to Phoenix, where police ask for the public`s help locating a man in connection with a
possible kidnap and assault at a local convenience store. Bombshell tonight. It`s all caught on video.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Witnesses say a woman was abducted as she pleaded for help, and it was all caught on tape. The man intercepts the woman as she
pleads for help. He grabs her and seems to forcibly take her back to the car. He tosses her in through the driver`s side door as the car`s rolling
backwards, and then drives off.
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GRACE: And live, Florida, where a well-respected pediatric dentist allegedly makes children scream in pain, Jacksonville dentist Dr. Howard
Schneider under fire amidst claims he performs extremely painful dental procedures on children without anesthetics, that he has been disallowing
parents from coming into the treatment room, that he`s been doing it for decades -- here you see a mom allegedly attacking him over it -- all to
satisfy his, quite, "sadistic appetites," photos showing children with bruises, swollen lips, unnecessarily removing their teeth, even caught on
video. We have the video!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You think I`m bad?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s what you did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now! Now! (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, a mom and baby alone in an upscale San Jose home when they spot home invaders in broad daylight entering the home, the mom
rushing to barricade herself and the baby in a bedroom, and as the home invaders kick at the bedroom door, she retreats into a locked bathroom, and
it`s all on video.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A family hid in an upstairs bedroom all the while two armed robbers were in their house looking for them, the entire thing caught
on camera. They searched the bedrooms upstairs until they found that family that was hiding.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, live to Phoenix where police ask for the public`s help locating a man, this man, in connection with a possible kidnap and assault
at a local convenience store. It`s all caught on video.
We understand that the workers inside the convenience store say he came in. He was in a rush to get out -- there he is -- flipped (ph) through his
money, didn`t say very much, raced to get out. And when he gets out of this convenience store, that`s where the suspected kidnap and assault is
caught on tape.
Keep watching. Let`s put it in full. I want to get to the part where he goes outside and makes contact with the female, grabbing her by the arm,
forcing her back into the car. And according to the people that are working in the 7-Eleven, that were also in there as customers, her face
bruised and bloody. She looked like she had been beaten up.
Now, this was a two-door. There`s just two front seats and the back -- putting her in the back. The car takes off! What`s going on? Then he
puts the pedal to the metal and takes off with the woman inside.
Straight out to Tammy Rose, investigative reporter. What do we know?
TAMMY ROSE, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): Nancy, it`s a very disturbing video. This happened in broad daylight Monday morning at 8:30
at a very busy gas station just off Interstate 10 near 75th Avenue. Surveillance video shows a woman getting out of a silver two-door Nissan
350Z.
Witnesses say she was calling out for help and looked like she may have been beaten up. Her face was swollen. Then a man who was inside the AM-PM
(ph) store paying for his merchandise, comes out, grabs her by the arm and starts pushing her back to the car.
What`s odd is that he shoved her back into the car through the driver`s side door, holding onto her tightly. The car rolled backwards with the
door open, and then the man speeds off.
GRACE: Take a look at this car. It`s a silver two-door Nissan 350Z, unknown Arizona plates. Got a pretty good look at the guy.
But what the people working inside the convenience store, and also customers in there, say her face looked bruised up, like she had been on
the wrong end of a physical fight.
[20:05:00]And when you see him first grab her in the parking lot and lead her around, she clearly -- it`s before that, Liz, if you can back it up --
when they cross in the parking lot, he grabs her up under the arm and literally pulls her. I don`t know if he -- there you go. Right there.
Look. He pulls her. It looks like he`s almost lifting her up off the ground with one arm, never letting go of his drink, and crams her in the
back of this car.
Marc Klaas, president, founder Klaas Kids Foundation, what do you think?
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, there`s obviously -- there`s obvious intimidation and force going on here, and I think that
it`s a very critical -- a critical situation. It`s obvious that he is an angry individual. It`s obvious she`s trying to get away. And the whole
idea, Nancy, is that he gets her in the car, that he`s got the car moving almost before he gets her into the car. He very wants to get away from
there.
However, given the fact we`re in a modern era with surveillance cameras everywhere, it`s only a matter of time before somebody -- before somebody
realizes who this is and turns them in to the police.
GRACE: Take a look at this guy in a Phoenix Arco gas station. It`s near Interstate 10 and 75th Avenue. There`s a rental -- Penske rental next
door, and a vacant lot on the other -- a large -- oh! oh! -- open lot across the street.
And Tammy Rose, investigative reporter out of Phoenix, our sources tell us her face was a mess already.
ROSE: Yes, a couple of people actually reported that her face looked swollen. It looked like she was in a fight. And they were also hearing
her call out for help.
If you notice in that video, one of the witnesses was actually opening up the door for the suspect, but he was fixated on the woman because she was
crying out for help. He didn`t even realize that the suspect walked out or rushed out and then grabbed her. And I don`t know if you noticed, again,
he pushed actually her into the side of the building. And then it looked like he almost had her by her hair, when he got -- when she got a little
bit closer to the car, and then pushed her into the car and then they sped off.
GRACE: You know, I didn`t see the part where he pushed her up against the building, Tammy Rose. I`m glad you told me that. We`re going to watch it
again in slow-mo.
For all of you in the Phoenix area and now beyond, look at this video.
And back to you, Marc Klaas, founder, Klaas Kids Foundation. Once a perp gets a victim in the car, it`s almost over right there.
KLAAS: Well, Nancy, and this is something that we tell families and kids all the time. Do whatever you can do to stay at the point of contact
because once you`re taking away form that point, you become even further marginalized. And if there is evil intent, if the guy intends to kill you,
you`re as good as dead.
GRACE: Joining me also, former director of MADD, Georgia, director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, Sheryl McCollum. As each hour
passes, once a kidnap goes down, it`s less likely we`re going to find the victim.
SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST (via telephone): No question. But the good news here is, Nancy, it looks like wasn`t buying gasoline or food or even
drinks for her. So it looks like to me they`re still in the area. But law enforcement must find them to make sure she`s all right.
GRACE: Well, I see that he`s buying a drink. I don`t know what else he`s got in the car. But as each hour passes, Marc Klaas, what does that mean
for the investigation?
KLAAS: What it means for the investigation is they can escape at the rate of an hour -- I`m sorry -- at the rate of a mile a minute. And it`s a vast
area. Phoenix is an absolutely vast area. These people could be absolutely anywhere. So the longer they`re gone, the more difficult it is
to locate and recover.
GRACE: Tammy Rose, investigative reporter joining me out of Phoenix, let`s go through it for those just joining us. The tip line, 602-262-6141.
Repeat, 602-262-6141.
What exactly went down at that Arco, Tammy?
ROSE: Again, this happened around 8:30 Monday morning in broad daylight. And surveillance video shows a woman getting out of a silver two-door car.
Witnesses there on the scene said that she was calling out for help and that she looked distressed, that her face was swollen. It looked like she
was just gotten -- got into a fight.
And the suspect who was inside the store had just paid for some merchandise. It looked like he purchase purchased a soda. He rushes out
after kind of hearing a commotion, it looks like, immediately grabs her by the arm, starts pushing her towards his car. It looks like she got pushed
into the side of the building.
And then he pushes her into the driver`s side of the car. It looks very odd. It almost looks like he didn`t want to put her into the passenger
side because she possibly may get back out of the car again.
GRACE: Reports her face was a bruised mess. Tip line, 602-262-6141.
We`re hearing information the car may have been spotted. Take a look at this suspected abduction in broad daylight.
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[20:10:06]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carly Bruscia`s (ph) abduction was captured on a surveillance camera at a car wash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eleven-year-old girl...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... kidnapped as she walked home from a sleepover at a friend`s house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four days later, her body was found on the grounds of a church.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Haunting images from a convenience store surveillance (INAUDIBLE) of the hours before the little girl and her alleged abductor
were discovered.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shasta Groene, missing for seven weeks, walks past several adults. She says nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The man grabbed her, tried to put his hand over her mouth and steal her away. Walmart`s video captured the suspect.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A man was caught on camera in Philly apparently dragging a 22-year-old nurse into a car as she was struggling to get away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You see a man wrestling Carlisha (ph) to his car as she puts up a fight, struggling for nearly a block.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance video from a grocery store shows the kidnapper running, child in arms, with siblings following.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then this little girl come running around the corner, screaming her head off.
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[20:15:04]GRACE: Live to Florida, where a well respected pediatric dentist allegedly makes children scream in pain, Jacksonville dentist Dr. Howard
Schneider under fire amidst claims he performs extremely painful dental procedures on children without anesthetics, that he has been disallowing
parents from coming back into the treatment room with their children, and claims that he has been doing this for decades, all allegedly to satisfy
his, quote, "sadistic appetites," photos showing little children with bruises, swollen lips, unnecessarily removed teeth, some of it even caught
on video. Is this true? We have the video!
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had scratches all across his face.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do not strap (ph)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The teeth were not put up under the gum, they were just stuck there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Images of the bruising and the biting of the lip.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) they don`t bite their lip.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Abuse allegations and the possibility of Medicaid fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am very pissed off about it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You`re pissed off? Well, did you see the video? Liz, please show the video where one of these moms or a relative of this child tries to put
the dentist in a chokehold for attacking her children. Look at this! I think this is at the dentist`s office. Yes, somebody`s got to help him in.
Look at this video!
Listen. Play the video, Liz. We almost didn`t play it because it`s so upsetting. The video...
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What? What? What? (INAUDIBLE)
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GRACE: OK, take it down. Take it down. Please take it down, Liz, please, please! Maybe I`ll be able the to watch it in a moment, but I can`t watch
it right now.
Chris Spargo, reporter, Dailymail.com -- you know, Chris, I am beside myself over this. You know, the dentist that we go to, I go back there
with the children. There are no walls. Everybody, all the children are in the open, and you can see what`s going on.
What happened?
CHRIS SPARGO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Yes, this lawsuit -- they`re calling it the most egregious case of sadistic and serial child abuse in
this lawsuit. You have four minors and their parents, three girls and one little boy, who have seen the dentist in the past year who are saying they
were assaulted, battery, false imprisonment, internal (sic) infliction of severe emotional distress.
They`re describing it as a house of horrors, where this man -- they`re calling him a pathological sadist with a deviant appetite -- is getting
pleasure out of the psychological and physical pain and humiliation of these young, defenseless children.
GRACE: And you know, when the children come out and they go, Mommy, it hurt -- well, of course, parents think that, of course, the dentist can
hurt. They have no idea, according to reports, what`s really going on.
But with me right now, two lawyers, Gust Sarris, lawyer for some of these victims, John Phillips, lawyer for other alleged victims of this pediatric
dentist. And with me also is Crystal Perritte, mother of one of the alleged victims.
Oh -- OK. Oh, dear -- OK, please, Liz, I can only take that in very small doses.
I want to go first to the mom of one of these alleged victims, Crystal Perritte. Ms. Perritte, thank you for being with us. What happened?
CRYSTAL PERRITTE, MOTHER OF ALLEGED VICTIM: The beginning was just to take in for a routine checkup. And from there is when it just went down.
GRACE: What happened?
PERRITTE: In August of 2013, he decided to cap every tooth in Hunter`s mouth, except for his bottom tooth.
GRACE: Why? Why?
PERRITTE: He never -- I never got an explanation. I knew he was going to cap a couple of them because he said that they were bad. So instead of
fixing some of the ones that were bad, he just covered them up.
GRACE: OK, now, wait a minute. Why am I seeing a child that looks like he was passed out. Is that Hunter? What happened?
PERRITTE: The picture of him in the hospital?
GRACE: Yes.
PERRITTE: That is from the aftermath. That is when he was getting infections to abscess from his teeth being capped.
GRACE: OK, I think I`m missing part of the story. You go in for a routine dental exam. The next thing you know, this doctor, Dr. Schneider, is going
to cap every tooth in your son`s mouth? And he ends up in the hospital? Ms. Perritte, do you have a lawyer?
[20:20:16]PERRITTE: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Which one is your lawyer, Sarris or Phillips?
PERRITTE: Phillips.
GRACE: Mr. Phillips, let me go to you first, and I`ll come back to Mr. Sarris. Mr. Phillips, John Phillips, joining me out of Florida. What are
the allegations?
JOHN PHILLIPS, ATTORNEY FOR VICTIMS: The allegations are Medicaid fraud, essentially, is what we believe is going on here. Dr. Schneider and other
dentists all across the country get paid for every single procedure per tooth. And it`s amounting to, for Dr. Schneider, $4 million in the last
four years of profit that we the taxpayers are paying for, and he`s taking these children and doing unnecessary procedures and doing it...
GRACE: Well, I`m less concerned, Mr. Phillips -- with me, Crystal Perritte, the mom, John Phillips, the lawyer. I`m less concerned with the
Medicaid fraud, although I know that`s wrong, with the kid being strapped in a seat screaming. I mean, it`s allegations that this doctor, Howard
Schneider, performs unnecessary procedures without anesthesia.
Gust Sarris, attorney for some of the other alleged victims, what can you tell me? What is this about?
GUST SARRIS, ATTORNEY FOR VICTIMS (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy. It`s about the fact that every person who`s a victim, has been at this office,
they`ve been separated from their parent. They`ve been told that you cannot go back. (INAUDIBLE) insist (ph) that they`ve been told they`re bad
parent. And then what he did is he would do any procedure he possibly could to maximize his reimbursement, including procedures without any
anesthesia whatsoever
GRACE: Oh, dear Lord in heaven! It`s like a worst nightmare! You know, people have horrible fears of going to the dentist, and this is exactly
why.
You have filed a complaint, Mr. Sarris, and Mr. Phillips, you`re about to file a complaint, you tell us. Mr. Sarris, what is alleged in your
complaint, your legal complaint?
SARRIS: My legal complaints are for the -- the counts are for the intentional tort, the assault, which was the fear of a touch, the touch,
which was the battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Many of these children are terrified of all health care providers. And
then many of them were tied, held down, choked. We have pictures of hands on their throat. And that would be false imprisonment.
GRACE: Did you say tied? Did you say tied, Mr. Sarris?
SARRIS: Absolutely. They were -- some not only were tied, we have allegations of being sat on by adults, literally, and being choked by
either putting the doctor`s hand over their mouth and nose, or holding their carotid artery, as you would -- as a UFC (ph) fighter would choke out
another fighter.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:27:04]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You think I`m bad?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s what you did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now! Now! Now! (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I mean, any time a dentist tells you you can`t go back there with your children, that should wave a red flag in front of every parent`s face,
right under your nose!
We`re talking about a doctor out of Jacksonville, Florida, Dr. Howard Schneider, and he apparently, according to claims, has been performing
pediatric dentistry on children with no anesthesia. Motivation, apparently to just make money off them.
But I think -- I don`t understand. I`m reading through this very lengthy complaint filed by attorney Gust Sarris -- S-A-R-R-I-S -- attorney for some
of these children. And I was especially intrigued, is one way to put it, by the claims about a child named B-Brother-F-Frank, B.F. You don`t have
the children`s names in here.
And you say she, the little girl, went in and her teeth were fine, and she ended up being strapped to something you call a papoose board and had
multiple teeth pulled? What?
SARRIS: Yes. It`s a board that basically looks like -- if you`ve ever seen Hannibal Lecter, what they would put him in so that they can cross and
tie the arms down or keep them tied at the sides. And it binds their legs, feet, head, chest and torso itself.
GRACE: Oh, dear Lord in heaven! Now, of course, the dentist is saying none of this happened. If it did happen as you claim in this and as John
Phillips is claiming, Mr. Sarris, why? Why would this dentist do this to these children.
SARRIS: It`s a sick concept. I hear these children. I`ve talked to almost a hundred people who have brought their stories in to me. It`s
terrifying to hear, and I just believe he`s sick. That`s why I used the term "sadist." I have never...
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Patrick McDonough and Andel Brown (ph). All right, to you, McDonough. What`s your defense of this guy?
PATRICK MCDONOUGH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I mean, first, you know, anybody can file a lawsuit. You`ve got four different people that said
this. But you`ve got a doctor or a dentist that`s been board certified for 40 years. You got to imagine there`s been probably 100 different employees
through there, thousands of patients through there, and now in his late 70s, this is the first time you hear of some of these types of claims?
It`s suspect for sure.
GRACE: It`s suspect. I`m not really sure why you`re saying that, but...
MCDONOUGH: What I`m saying is because why wouldn`t this have come out earlier, if he was doing this? And let me just say this. I know it is
upsetting hearing a child scream like that. But I`ve heard just as bad on the playground when some kid doesn`t get their way. I...
GRACE: I haven`t.
MCDONOUGH: Well, let me tell you this. I had a child one time who could not even keep down a sip of water. I took him to the doctor. All
(INAUDIBLE) get a shot. He was 6 or 7 at the time, screaming like bloody murder. I mean, kids scream! Who likes going to the dentist?
GRACE: Oh, really, really? Really - was he strapped down to a papoose board at the time and had four teeth extracted with no anesthesia?
MCDONOUGH: I`m not saying no anesthesia, and I`m not sure that`s the case. Let me just say.
GRACE: You are not sure.
MCDONOUGH: Let me tell you this. No, I`m not. I`m not sure. It`s just been a complaint. That hasn`t been discovered then. But as far as those
boards go, what I understand is, that at times when a procedure has to be done, you need to make sure the child doesn`t move their arms and legs for
his own protection and his own safety.
GRACE: And never in my life heard, hold on, I know that you two have your J.D.. Let`s talk to somebody that has an M.D. or better yet, a DDS. Dr.
Grace Young, pediatric dentist. Dr. Young, thank you for being with us out of Chicago. You know what? I`ve never had a dentist in my life try to
shut me or my children down and it would be a cold day in H-E-Double L before they did. I mean that`s why we have anesthesia.
DR. GRACE YOUNG, PEDIATRIC DENTIST: Well, you know, papoose board as you guys were all talking about, sometimes, can be needed. I personally don`t
have one. In my own office.
GRACE: Why?
YOUGRACE: But because I would rather have the parents hold their children. It`s more comforting. But there are some instances in which some dentists
do need to use them. Children may be with special needs.
GRACE: Can I ask you something, Dr. Young?
YOUGRACE: Sure.
GRACE: How would you feel if you went to the dentist and your dentist strapped you down by your head, your arms, your feet and your legs and
said, oh, yeah, we`re not using anesthesia? How would that feel to you?
YOUGRACE: Absolutely not. That would not fly, but just to go back to what a papoose board is, it is like a surf board with wraps for the wrists and
legs and the chest, but there is no head component. There are no buckles or shackles or things like that.
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(CHILD CRYING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You think I`m bad?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s what you get.
(CHILD CRYING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, now. Now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You gonna choke another kid.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: There you see this dentist Dr. Harris Schneider out of Jacksonville physically attacked by female relatives, I think it was a mom, of one of
his patients. Now, according to the defense attorneys, we don`t know what really happened. And just because several children claimed they were
tortured, he says that doesn`t make it so. Up to you, John Phillips. I know you and Sarris are going forward with these legal documents. How many
children are you representing, John?
JOHN PHILLIPS, ATTORNEY FOR DENTIST`S ALLEGED VICTIMS: We represent 30.
GRACE: Good gravy. Whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, McDonough and Dell Brown, I`m coming back to you. I`m coming back to you, Mr. Phillips.
Patrick McDonough, you just said three or four children. Hello. And Dell Brown, can you hear me? Can you hear me Andell?
ANDELL BROWN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I can hear you, Nancy. I can hear you, Nancy.
GRACE: He alone is representing 30 alleged victims. I haven`t even - that to ask, does Sarris) have any he`s representing. It`s not just four
children. It`s 30 plus children. But all of them are lying?
MCDONOUGH: I`m sure all them are saying that .
GRACE: You are not .
(CROSSTALK)
MCDONOUGH: That it`s painful --
GRACE: You are not Andell Brown, number one. You are. Go ahead.
BROWN: Nancy, when there`s money on the line, I`m sure we can get a line that stretches from here to Montana and back.
GRACE: Are you talking about the money the dentist has made?
BROWN: Now everybody else is trying to get .
GRACE: Alleged Medicare fraud?
BROWN: What everybody else is trying to get a piece of this lawsuit. Look, it is it about Medicare fraud or they are saying he`s some sick
sadist? They can`t even get their story straight as to why .
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Put him up.
BROWN: He`s doing that to these children, much less what their lawsuit is all about.
GRACE: Why just either one, why are they mutually exclusive? Why can`t it be the same? Out to John Phillips, who says he`s representing 30 children.
Gust Sarris, who`s already filed his complaint. How many children are you representing, Gust?
SARRIS: Well, there`s four children that are part of the initial lawsuit which we`re trying to become a class action. Apparently, we have at least
30 others people that we feel will fit into that class and we probably talked another 45 other ones that would be outliers. People who had dental
malpractice. People who have had other issues, just mistreated in general. So .
GRACE: Gust, I`m just telling you - I`m just telling you, you know who you two, you and John Phillips need to add to this? The mothers. Because
Crystal Perritte (ph), let me go to Crystal. If I think that I have done anything that has ended up in my children being upset or hurt or anything,
everything that happens to them, I feel like it`s my fault, all right? John David cut his leg the other day on a rusty bicycle. I felt that that
was my fault. OK? We were flying up the interstate to try to on the phone trying to find out about a tetanus shot, which he already had, but I mean,
I felt awful. And I had nothing to do with it. How are you living with the fact that your son went through so much pain and mommy wasn`t there?
Not to say it`s your fault because it`s not your fault. But it just must be excruciating.
CRYSTAL PERRITTE, THE MOTHER OF ALLEGED VICTIM: It`s heartbreaking.
GRACE: When did you find out what had happened to your son?
PERRITTE: When he came, when he came into the recovery room. At the hospital.
GRACE: What happened?
PERRITTE: And that`s - that`s when his entire face was swollen. Lips were swollen. His lips were cut and every tooth was capped.
GRACE: Oh, my stars. What did you say to the dentist? Did you realize something horrible happened to your baby?
PERRITTE: I never seen him there. I only dealt with the hospital people that worked there. I never seen him in there.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Go ahead, ma`am.
PERRITTE: And when it got down, I didn`t, I didn`t know that maybe his mouth was sensitive. Maybe he had a reaction to the anesthesia, maybe
this, maybe that.
GRACE: I`m with you. I`m with you. And this is why. We trust doctors and dentists, we think they understand. I mean, you know, if a child has a
cavity, of course the child doesn`t want the cavity filled, but it`s got to be filled and it`s our job as parents to do the right thing. You had no
idea. And, you know, Gust Sarris and John Phillips, let me go back to you, Phillips. This is pain for the mothers and fathers as well. They`re the
ones who bring the child and hand them over to this doctor if all of this is true. And you know, how much are you going to sue for? Have you
decided? Because this thing, this document here by Mr. Sarris says 15,000. Is that all? I mean, did I misread that?
PHILLIPS: That`s the statutory minimum deplete. We`re proceeding with the medical malpractice action, and we are going to wipe him out of business.
That`s - that is our plan, and then to proceed to other doctors. This is an epidemic that people don`t know about. There`s one child that Gust,
that Dr. Shneider apparently said if you keep acting up, you`re never going to see your mommy again and he uses force on these kids. It`s
reprehensible and he straps them down just so that he can treat more kids instead of being honest and treating them with compassion by reading to
them or putting a warm blanket or letting mama sit there.
GRACE: You know, that`s what I was going to ask you, Gust Sarris who is also representing several of these victims, when I saw the 15,000, I`m
like, you know, if this had happened to my child, I would be hell bent on stopping his practice and never letting this happen to another child. I
will say in his defense, he`s saying this did not happen. That he did not torture children. That all of his procedures were necessary. But that`s
not what these children say and that`s not what these lawyers say, so, Gust Sarris, what do you think his motivation is and why do you believe, Gust
Sarris, that these accusations are true?
SARRIS: I believe two things. Number one, he`s a sadist. Most of my victims are, all of them are on Medicaid, so they have limited means. Many
of the mothers have issues before and many of them, I have one client who the mother and father both are deaf. And so, all the victims that or at
least a good portion of them are handicapped. Many of the children are handicapped, have learning disorders and he`s making money at this and I
believe just enjoying a sick perversion as far as I`m concerned because there`s no reason, even if he was just ripping off Medicaid, you could at
least understand he`s ripping off the system, and that`s not right, but to torture children, he could have at least sedated them. It`s insane, it`s
meant as a torture.
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GRACE: A mom and baby alone in their upscale San Jose home when they spot home invaders in broad daylight entering the home. The mom rushing to
barricade herself and the baby in a bedroom and as the home invaders kick at that bedroom door, she retreats into a locked bathroom. It`s all caught
on video.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A family hid in an upstairs bedroom all the while two armed robbers were in their house looking for them. The entire thing
caught on camera. They searched the bedrooms upstairs until they found that family. That was hiding.
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GRACE: So, James Gimmel, news director at WGRW, James, I understand it`s a mom, a baby and then like a sister-in-law. How did they see these guys
coming in? Hey, Lis, can you show me where they`re coming across the front porch? They just walk in in a broad daylight. How did they get in, James?
JAMES GIMMEL: Well, they`re looking through the sliding glass door. They`re on the patio. And they simply open that unlocked door. Enter
through the house and then eventually make their way into the kitchen, grab a couple of knives and head upstairs.
GRACE: Look at them. They just come right across. Hey, this is some house. Check out all that in the back. There`s an outdoor barbecue. I
think I even saw an outdoor fridge, stainless steel, back there on the patio. Look at this, it`s in an upscale area of San Jose, California, it`s
the Evergreen neighborhood. James Gimmel, WJRW joining us. They walk up in broad daylight. They are suspect one and suspect two, look at their
faces. We want to catch these guys. I want them in jail. I don`t want them busting in somebody else`s house. So, James, the case is .
GIMMEL: That`s amazing they didn`t even cover their faces there as you can see.
GRACE: And the thing is, they case it and they find this sliding glass door cracked in the back. Is that how they get in?
GIMMEL: That`s it. They come right through that sliding glass door. And what`s interesting is the couple had been ripped off before and they
actually, Bikram Singh and Bonnie Carr (ph), actually purchased six surveillance cameras and had them in the home. But they were not home at
the time. Instead, the burglars, as you said, came into the home.
GRACE: Hold on, James, James Gimmel, WJRW, hold on. Just calling in is Bikram Singh, victim of the home invasion. Sir, thank you so much for us.
What went through your mind the first time you see this video?
BIKRAM SINGH: Well, I was very, very upset. It`s not acceptable at all, someone that I don`t even know them and I don`t even know their intention,
that they`re walking in my house, grabbing my knife from the kitchen and I don`t know what they were up to. They were there to kidnap my little one
or they were there to rob the house or hurt someone. This is not good feeling.
GRACE: Oh, my stars, I`m looking at that. And I saw one of them go up to the mantle and stare at some of the family photos. They go right into the
kitchen. Look, he`s got the kitchen knife in his hand, all the while the mom and the little baby girl upstairs hiding, hiding. Who are these guys?
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GRACE: I want these guys behind bars. This is in the Evergreen neighborhood of San Jose. These two guys come into this home. A mom with
a baby is there and the sister-in-law. They see them coming. They race to the bedroom. They barricade themselves in the bedroom. First thing they
do, it`s a daytime robbery, typically they will go straight to the master, steal all the jewelry, everything of value and leave. Then why, why, why
do they get a knife? Why do they get a knife and isn`t it true, joining me, the owner of the home, Bikram Singh, isn`t it true they cut the phone
lines with the baby and the mommy and the sister-in-law hiding upstairs? Isn`t that true?
SINGH: Yes. That`s the first thing they did. They pulled the plug for cordless phone system in the living room area. So once the base is
disconnected, they know that all the phone lines will be disabled. But that`s what they did.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Patrick McDonough and Andell Brown. All right, Patrick McDonough, why if they`re just coming in to steal, why do
they cut the phone lines, maybe to disarm an alarm? But then go straight to the bedroom and not only that, they hear the women in there. All right?
And they kick down the bedroom door armed with knives. What about that, McDonough?
MCDONOUGH: There`s no question, if they make the identity correctly, these guys are in for a world of hurt. There`s no question there`s a crime here.
It`s all going to come down to how clear that videotape is. And it looked pretty clear.
GRACE: It`s pretty clear.
MCDONOUGH: If they can make the right identification.
GRACE: Andell Brown, are you still claiming they were just coming in to, what, steal the DVD player?
BROWN: Well, Nancy, part of the issue I have here is that there`s more to the story, obviously. This is the second time --
GRACE: I don`t even know what you`re saying.
BROWN: This is the second time the same house has been burglarized. They go look at a picture, as you said, of the family and they arm themselves
and they go straight after these people.
GRACE: What`s your point?
BROWN: They`re not looking for valuables. There`s a door that`s left open. It all seems a little too convenient for me. I have a lot of
questions about what`s going on here.
GRACE: You`re actually saying that this is a setup because the door was left open? You know what, Mr. Bikram Singh is disagreeing with you. Tip
line, show their pictures again, please, Liz. 408-277-4166. These guys are going to be sticking their foot in your kitchen window next.
Let`s remember, American heroes, Mississippi officers, 34-year-old Benjamin Deen and 25-year-old Cori Tate. The officers killed in the line of duty
Saturday evening. Tate, recent police academy grad, received top marksman award. Remembered for a beautiful smile, restoring cars. Leaves behind
parents Ronald and Youlander, two brothers, one sister. Deen, canine officer, 2012 officer of the year, also firefighter. Family meant
everything. Leaves behind parents Mary and Dan, one brother, one sister, widow, Robin, two children. Officers Benjamin Deen and Liquori Tate,
American heroes.
And tonight, a special good night to country superstar Justin Moore and his roadie crew, Aaron, Brian and Arthur, who tell me they watch our show every
night from the tour bus. Guys, you`re awesome. Awesome.
Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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