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Aired May 20, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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[21:00:08] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, a male physician helps his female patients find their g-spot, that causes women to follow him on

Facebook in record numbers.

Plus, can marijuana candy make someone a murderer? I get attacked about pot on Twitter all the time and you got me wrong. I am going to explain.

But let us get started with the "Most Tweeted Story" of the night.

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KURT FROELICH, OB/GYN WHO HAD INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL CONTACT WITH HIS PATIENTS: They were lapses in judgment.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Both patients who were his employees asked him if he could show them how to find their G spot. He initially showed

them on a diagram. Then he went further and physically showed them. These encounters eventually led to sex in the hospital.

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FROELICH: They were a direct, you know, insult and offense to my wife and my family.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: And, that is not all. Back in 2013, he was convicted of assault after groping a female employee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FROELICH: I still desperately want to be a doctor.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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PINSKY: Joining us, Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist, Professor at Pepperdine University; Mike Catherwood, my "Love Line" host, also Vanessa

Barnett, Hiphollywood.com. Please welcome my guests. All right, Vanessa, tell us what you know about this doctor`s social profile. This suspect of

mine.

(LAUGHING)

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Suspect of yours. Well, you know, he is not stupid. So, he kind of wiped a lot of it clean, but we did find two

that are connected to his company, I guess you could say. And,s you know, the results are actually kind of good.

PINSKY: What?

BARNETT: People love him.

PINSKY: What?

BARNETT: People call him the best doctor ever. The women are saying he is absolutely amazing, and it is not surprising because he can find the G-

spot. I mean --

PINSKY: No. Wait. No, no, no.

BARNETT: It could be a big O here.

PINSKY: He is not their boyfriend. He is their -- he must have written these things, right?

BARNETT: Absolutely not. If you go in and you cannot find your G-spot, who better to ask than your gynecologist?

PINSKY: Oh, my God.

JUDY HO, PH.D. CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Oh my God.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Do not applaud that. Do not applaud that. Vanessa is a sick person. I did not know that until just now. Mike, seriously, I mean even

you. I mean come on! That is not OK, right? For a physician to be groping --

MIKE CATHERWOOD, LOVE LINE CO-HOST: Of course. I mean I would never want my wife to have to go see that OB/GYN. But, I know that if my proctologist

was able to muster something loose, I could be like really, really happy.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: This is insanity. Nothing -- Judy, help me. Help me.

HO: OK. Yes.

PINSKY: Be the same person in the panel.

HO: Yes. Nothing drives me crazier than people misusing their power. Teachers having sex with students. Police officers doing inappropriate

things with suspects. To me, a therapist having sex with their patients, doctors having sex with their patient, it is precisely the person --

I got to say this to people at home -- it is precisely the people who need careful boundaries maintained that these -- I cannot say the word on T.V.

But these are the guys that exploit people that need somebody to maintain a boundary for them, especially when they are a therapist.

HO: That is right. With great power comes great responsibility, right?

PINSKY: Thank you.

HO: Peter Parker from Spider-Man. That is what I always say. And, that is actually the truth. When you are a doctor, when you are a teacher and

you have the up on that power dynamic, these individuals are coming to him; yes, maybe they are the ones who said I want my G-spot to be found. He is

the one who then proceeded to touch them physically.

PINSKY: Right. He should be the guy, Vanessa, sorry to disappoint you. I know you have been watching too much stuff online or something, but he is

the guy that goes, no, no, no. Are you ok? Let me refer you to someone like Judy Ho, let us take care of this. Because that is somebody who is

sick, somebody who is not well.

BARNETT: He did not just jump in fingers first. He tried to show them on a diagram.

(LAUGHING)

HO: He put on a glove first.

CATHERWOOD: But, Drew, Drew, look.

PINSKY: Mike --

CATHERWOOD: You are the doctor here. You are the doctor here. And, we have had that discussion many times where I said, man, tell me, Dr. Drew,

when this girl -- and I will show you whatever Victoria`s Secret model, when she goes into her OB/GYN, the guy has to be thinking -- and you

constantly reminded me like, "No, a doctor has a responsibility to divorce himself from any kind of personal feelings and conduct their business as a

professionals".

PINSKY: Which I know is baffling to you that a guy could do that, but that is --

CATHERWOOD: But, that is what separates me from a doctor.

PINSKY: From a professional. No. No. It is not a laughing matter. I mean the fact is either he can maintain his professional boundaries or he

cannot. He should not be taking care of the Victoria`s Secret model if he cannot. I am just saying. Listen to these guy`s excuses, though. They

are truly comical. There is the death of his mother-in-law. Nice. Oh, yeah! Well, then, he is OK --

CATHERWOOD: Most guys encourage that.

PINSKY: He had a diet that raised his testosterone levels. That of course is a perfect excuse for him behaving the way he is. And, he was diagnosed

with prostate cancer.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: You know what, Judy. I have prostate cancer.

[21:05:01] I do. I have prostate cancer. So, I will tell you what, I better start feeling up my patients, I guess.

HO: That is right. Because that is the treatment -- You did not know that was a treatment for prostate cancer?

PINSKY: Unfortunately, I had a big surgery that was far worse than what this guy did. I rather would have done what he did. But, Vanessa, come

on, you are kidding, right?

BARNETT: I am not kidding. Look, the Facebook numbers do not lie. The women are clicking. They are liking. They are signing up. Well, they

were until they tried to snatch his license.

And, I want to think it is, is if you do have a serious issue and you cannot find this said G-spot and you are asking for guidance from your

doctor, then it is OK for him to say, "If this is consensual and if you do not mind my hand there, let me show you where it is."

PINSKY: And, these people will show you where is not different than you doing a foreplay --

BARNETT: He tried the diagram.

PINSKY: -- an excuse for an foreplay.

HO: Do not you those thing that happen to --

PINSKY: A model. Pelvis. A model of a pelvis.

HO: Right, a model. He had the model?

BARNETT: He tried that first. It did not work. They wanted more of a hands on hand demonstration.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Vanessa. Vanessa, you are holding the line so well on this, it makes me wonder what your relationship is like with your gynecologist. It

just makes me wonder.

BARNETT: I only choose women gynecologists for this reason.

PINSKY: Because you never know how wild you might get with a males, is that why?

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: Not necessarily me, but the doctors like I --

PINSKY: That is not OK that you have to feel insecure with physicians. What is wrong with our profession, health care providers? What is going

on?

HO: Well, because there are these people who cannot hold a boundary, and then they made news lines. And, now we know that, that is a trend. That

is a trend.

PINSKY: It is a trend that what? That people are becoming perpetrators?

HO: Well, kind of. Only because the people who tend to lose their licenses whether it is medical doctors or psychologists are the ones that

cross boundaries with their patients. That is what I mean.

PINSKY: And, for the ones at home, help them understand the kind of person -- just because that are a doctor or therapist does not mean they are

necessarily healthy. They are supposed to be.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: But they could be narcissists. They could be drug addicts. They could be sociopaths.

HO: That is right.

PINSKY: And, those people feel bigger than life, right?

HO: That is right. And, of course --

PINSKY: I am so glad Judy is sitting next to me. I mean you guys are not even here. You do not exist to me anymore.

CATHERWOOD: Hey! Come on! I tried. I tried. I will tell you, though, I am comforted to know that a lot of women do not know where their pleasure

zones are, not just the women who make love to me. I am very excited to find out.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: 2013 this guy was charged with groping one of his employees, then he fired her when she rejected him. That, Judy, is what led to the

investigation where he found -- they found these Facebook posts that you admire so much, Vanessa. I am just saying.

Next time I look at Yelp, I am going to be very skeptical. All right. But, anyway, here is the deal. We have more on this story. Thank you for

backing me up, Judy, because I do not know what I would have done without you. We have more to talk about on this. We will be right back after

this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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[21:12:04]

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. FROEHLIC: They were absolute lapses in judgment. They were a direct, you know, insult and offense to my wife and my family. I still desperately

want to be a doctor. I mean I think -- I mean you can look online, I have pretty good reviews from my patients. It is not without blame. It is not

without wrong. I just do not feel like it was worthy losing my license.

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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: We have been talking about the most tweeted story of the night. An OB/GYN who lost his license after having physically taken two of his

patients and shown them where their "G" spots are. And, I believe had sex with them.

I am back with Judy, Mike and Vanessa. And, you guys -- here is the deal. When you are hearing that guy talks, it is like a patient who had beaten

their child, going, "Look, a few things I love my child. The rest of the time has been great. It is been great. I have been the best parent in the

world." Really, severe transgressions are not excused by a long record of good behavior.

HO: Right. And, unfortunately, people who end up in these situations with the powerful others like doctors, they do make excuses for them.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: Because that has been the dynamic of their relationship. So, they actually protect these doctors.

PINSKY: So, do you, guys, get what -- do you understand what Judy is saying? Which is the fact is that the kind of person, again, that this guy

is going to seek out is precisely the kind of person who is going to identify with the perpetrator and potentially protect the perpetrator. But

Mike, I mean he said he is irresistible. You cannot help him. You cannot help these -- These women could not --

CATHERWOOD: I mean he blamed those ladies.

PINSKY: He is like you. They just cannot -- yes --

CATHERWOOD: He is on a special diet to increase his testosterone. Dr. Drew. That is why he is 75 pounds overweight with man boobs. I do not

understand. What is his diet doing?

PINSKY: I know. Exactly. All right, we have a question from the audience. Here we go. Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: So, hey! I have been going out with my girlfriend for about a month now and we are getting intimate. And, I got

to know, where is the "G" spot?

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: You know what is crazy? What is absolutely crazy? During the commercial break, somebody from the audience, I know I see you, he yelled

out, "What is the gynecologist`s phone number?"

(LAUGHING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: So, "G" spot is -- I will pretend that did not happen. "G" spot some people do not really have a significant "G" spot. But, think of it as

a nerve bundle sort of inside the vagina, just behind the pubic bone. And, for some women that is where their primary source of arousal comes from.

For others, it is very limited source. Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So, do you think it is fair that the doctor lost his license --

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: -- Even though he essentially did what he was asked to do.

PINSKY: Yes. I might be punked if people do not understand what is going on here? Is everybody a victim of perpetrators out there, right? I mean -

(LAUGHING)

HO: Yes. I am amazed.

PINSKY: I am amazed.

BARNETT: You are being Dr. Killjoy again.

PINSKY: No. No. That is not me. I am not Dr. Killjoy. I am Dr. Sane. I am Dr. Sane. Because when people violated -- Listen, that is how

boundariless our family systems are and how boundariles our relationships are. Mike, I am telling you.

CATHERWOOD: Well, she brings up the point that he was just doing what was asked of him. How many times have I asked Judy to take her top off?

[21:15:00] You know what I am saying? Like those boundaries that you do not want to cross. This guy is a doctor that investigates female bodies.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: Like female body parts.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: He should have known better regardless of how many times he was hit on.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: No. That is exactly right.

CATHERWOOD: Thanks.

PINSKY: This is a -- It is a really, really serious, serious issue. And, again, I think there are people at home thinking what is the big deal?

You, A. Would not let that happen if it is not a big deal. You have boundaries and it is precisely the people, I cannot say this strongly

enough, that need the boundaries maintained for whom this is a major deal. We got another question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So -- Hi! How do we look for doctors or professionals who do not act this way? Like I do not want to go to a

doctor like this. It kind of freaks me out, no offense, Vanessa. I do not really want to.

HO: Good for you.

PINSKY: Yes. Well, you know, there is no absolute -- listen, first board certification. So, there are professional societies that are going to help

that person maintain a certain standard and be policing those people. Trust your instincts. I mean that is true in all relationships.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: Listen, there is nothing -- what I think is, that there is nothing more important than your instincts in relationships. If you have a history

of trauma, if you have a history of having been violated, having been exploited or taken advantage of, you are someone that may be able to

anticipate that people like that are going to come around you.

And what you need is to get people who understand what that is and can help you build and maintain boundaries. If you freeze, which a freeze response

is very common in people that have been transgressed against or if you feel threatened, do not be around these people.

Be around people that can understand, can talk about it in real ways, who make you understand and mentalize what it is that is happened to you.

Respect it, build the boundaries and make you be whole. We are back with more after this.

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[21:20:45] PINSKY: All right. Mike and I have been taking your sexual relationship questions on the radio for years. Our fans tweet us. They

Facebook us all the time with their sex and relationship questions.

So, let us do it in this segment we call, "Sexting" where I answer the most provocative questions from you in our studio audience and at home. So, let

us get somebody, who is brave enough to start us off the top. Here is someone. Let us go right ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew and Mike.

CATHERWOOD: Hi!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi! I have been dating my boyfriend for a while now. And, we always have sex in the same position. And, I am trying

to figure out how to get him to switch it up a little bit. Sorry.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: No, no. There is nothing to sorry. Men get women to where they want them. Men have sort of this idea like an idea like --

CATHERWOOD: Like a zone.

PINSKY: It is a zone. And, once they get into that zone they are not letting you out. And, they are not emerging from it for anything other

than you telling them they have to. Really. It is like, here is the sundae. Here is the hot fudge. Here is the cherry on top. That is it.

CATHERWOOD: And, also, guys create their pleasure zone through the prism of what they see.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: Which is different than women who just enjoy pleaure, how it feels. And, so, you want to try things that maybe feel differently. Guys

have to see what they like and then it passes through them into their prime time. And so --

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: No fooling -- And, women like change. You have to literally educate -- throughout human history females have tamed males. Humans.

Yes. This is part of that process because we do not know. We are like a hamster on the wheel. We are not bad, but we aim to please but you got to

really bring us on board.

CATHERWOOD: If you have been dating him long enough, most likely he is very attuned to what you want. Let him know that you are -- would be

happier this way. You know probably do it.

PINSKY: The craziest to us is the idea that you are like, "Oh my God! I am so bored." He could be hurt to know that. He wants to make you happy.

So, you just tell him about it. Do not worry about it.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: We got a tweet. "How do I tell my girlfriend that she is trying too hard during sex?" In other words, you know what this is, right?

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: That is a wide variety of things it could possibly be.

PINSKY: I know. But you kind of get the sense she is a little too expressive to the point where it seems disingenuine.

CATHERWOOD: Gotcha! Gotcha!

PINSKY: You get what I mean. Any way --

CATHERWOOD: Yes. I mean I guess you just have to tell her.

PINSKY: No.

CATHERWOOD: What do you mean?

PINSKY: No, no. If we are a man, you would tell them. But, if you are a woman, they are very touchy, right? They feel very vulnerable.

CATHERWOOD: OK. What if they live in an apartment complex. He can say, "I am going to get evicted because you are so loud."

PINSKY: There you go. There you go. You are so smart. Hey there, what is up?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: What are your thoughts on low sex drive for women? Is testosterone therapy something that is helpful? What are your

thoughts about it?

PINSKY: Yes. Yes, it is very helpful. Mike, let me tell you something, alright? Because this actually raise a serious question and you cannot

imagine how many times relationships -- I have been dealing with this for a long time. And, I see relationships that are destroyed by medication that

drop libido, by birth control pills that affect the way your body responds to testosterone and other hormones.

And, as women age during menopause, they do not -- my profession is not as maybe attuned to testosterone replacement as they should be. And, all of

these things are exquisitely important for women. You are very much affected by your biology. And, when stuff shuts down, there is nothing you

can do about it. I mean you had to shut down when you got sober.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. Be careful.

PINSKY: And, so, you can appreciate what that feels like. You know, you just feel sexless. Sex seems not even --

CATHERWOOD: You are actually turned off by the idea of anything romantic or intimate.

PINSKY: Yes, this guy that is hypersexual was in that condition. People in recovery have that experience, too. But, let me talk to people at home.

If you particularly are if you are menopausal, it can really maintain your intimacy although throughout the life span beyond testosterone placement,

hormone replacement.

Obviously, it is controversial. There may be some risks associated with it. If you are on medication, again antidepressant medication, libido has

shut down or birth control pills. This high progesterone birth control pills. People do not appreciate.

That is one of the most common reasons that women experience dryness and pain and low libido. And it can go on either even after you can get off

the pill. So, please take care of that, talk to your gynecologist. Talk to your doctor about that issue. Got a Facebook post. Here go Mike, are

you ready?

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: Jori R. on Facebook. "Size does matter. My boyfriend`s penis is too big for me to enjoy sex. What in the world do I do?" Mike, I know you

have had that problem many times.

(LAUGHING)

[21:25:00] CATHERWOOD: I have had that problem many times in the opposite direction.

PINSKY: I see. I understand. And, you know, this is one -- it can be a deal breaker. It is really kind of sad.

CATHERWOOD: Yes, yes, yes, but listen. I mean that is really once in a blue moon we get that too small complaint.

PINSKY: That is right.

CATHERWOOD: But, too big is a pretty common thing.

PINSKY: When Vanessa gets back out here, though, she will complain.

CATHERWOOD: She will like she will take all comers right now.

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Yes. That is what I am saying. We have other audience questions?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. So, I have been with my boyfriend for most of a year. And, is it --

CATHERWOOD: Most of a year? Was there some gray area there? Where you were like, "I do not know about this guy."

(LAUGHING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: It is still hazy.

CATHERWOOD: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Is it normal for him to always need oral sex? Like every time to get going in the bedroom.

PINSKY: Get going? Not the whole -- that is not the whole menu.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Just to get going. At first it was great, but now it is like that --

PINSKY: A lot of guys are really wedded to that act. I mean that is --

CATHERWOOD: Wedded.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I mean I am going to choose my words carefully, trust me. Really, again, the whole idea of hot fudge sundae with a cherry on top, for a lot

of men, that is the zone. There are equally -- not as equally as many, but we hear a lot from guys that actually cannot get much out of that. And,

they feel weird --

CATHERWOOD: Yes. And, their girlfriend or wife assumes that some oral sex is like number one thing. And, they just do not know why they do not enjoy

it. I do think, especially with a lot of young guys, not that I am so worldly, but you just -- when you are in this -- you are so charged up

about sex as a whole, you kind of find what really works for you and that is your very narrow menu regardless of who your partner is. And, I think,

you know, you just got to let him know that there are other ways that you can skin a cat, you know?

PINSKY: He is all right.

CATHERWOOD: Like that is the thing. Honestly, that is the best advice you can give to any girls like --

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: -- Guys are different. They do not care. As long as you let them know that is what you want, you are not offending them. As long as we

can have sex, somehow.

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING AND APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: They are so simple. Do not assume their brain works like yours because it does not. It is just the way it is. Twitter, Maiah, "If you

are dating multiple people and having safe sex, do you have to tell both partners about each other?"

That is kind of a packed question. I mean it is kind of depends on the circumstance and what people`s expectations. You and I were talking about

this on Tinder the other day.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: So weird. I mean the whole landscape is shifting under people.

CATHERWOOD: Yes, because you are essentially meeting a stranger and then there is this strange expectation. And, maybe the other party`s

expectations are vastly different than yours.

PINSKY: And, how do you navigate that? And, who do you have to tell? We did discover this one thing the other night on the radio, which is that

fundamentally, the bottom line is people are still people and the rules really have not changed even though the this sort of context has.

So, it is about, yes, you need to be honest. You need to tell people. You need to clarify once expectations. It is the old fashion. Let us talk

about it. Who else we got in the audience? One last question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi. My question is I have never had comfortable sex or even had an orgasm with a partner.

PINSKY: Oh.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I am just curious what could be the cause of that or what I could do to change that.

PINSKY: OK. Now, the way she said that it means she had it by herself because she said she has not had it with her partner.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I have had it by myself but not through penetration.

PINSKY: Yes. Right. That would not going to happen. No, no. I am not kidding. Some women they can do that and most women cannot. And, there is

weird misconception --

CATHERWOOD: Well, I am always blown away by how little women know about their own body. And, I am not saying that like women are not as developed

as men. It is just that we are so simple biologically, it is pretty much friction here and then success.

But, so many women do not know when they call into "Love Line" that a lot of women only have stimulation orgasms, very few women have canal orgasms.

A lot of women do not have orgasms at all until they are in their 20s, late 20s and stuff.

PINSKY: So, you really want to have some sort of direct stimulation, oral sex, that kind of thing and give up the idea that it is going to happen

during intercourse, because most women just do not experience that. And, that is normal. It is OK. Yes. There you go.

CATHERWOOD: And, comfortable sex, I am telling you. Get one of those barker loungers. It is great. Maybe a little cup holder.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: And, I will tell you what? The other thing, your birth control sometimes, again, talk to your doctor about that. Sometimes, again, these

progesterone agents cause irritation, and problems, and dryness and you got to get to it. We have a lot more show coming up. We are back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Did pot candy cause this Colorado man to murder his wife?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Need an ambulance code central. Party down. We are going to need homicide.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Richard Kirk ate edible marijuana and was hallucinating. That is when his wife, Kristine, called 911.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: Reporting party versus her husband who has been smoking marijuana.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He allegedly grabbed the gun from the safe and shot her in the head while she was on the phone.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: The wife on an open line saying that a male had a gun.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Richard pleaded not guilty to murdering the mother of their three young children.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: All we have is the screaming in the background.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: But will a Colorado jury buy a marijuana- made me do it defense.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PINSKY: It is time for "WTF." The most shocking story dominating Twitter and Facebook. Investigators found a piece of partially eaten cannabis

candy, like a gummy bear or something, and unsmoked joint, an empty bottle of hydrocodone in the home. I am back with Judy, Mike and Vanessa. And

Vanessa, tell me what else we know about Kristine Kirk`s social profile.

BARNETT: She is really active on Facebook, posting all the time. Pictures her husband and kids. How much she loves them. Happy Valentine`s Day.

She was always on there just talking about her family; really seemed engaged.

PINSKY: So, she seemed like a happy, stable family system. But, Mike many times there can be addiction flowing underneath.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: You know, under the surface and people do not realize it and then it gets worse and worse and worse and bad things happen.

CATHERWOOD: Right. And, then it blows over all in this horrible incident. And, people are going to blame marijuana.

PINSKY: I know.

CATHERWOOD: It is insanity.

PINSKY: Insanity, everybody. That makes me crazy how screwed up people`s ideas are about not just cannabis but substances generally here. The story

here is pills. That is the story. I had this fight with Nancy Grace the other day. The story is pills.

Empty bottle of hydrocodone. This dude was getting prescription opiates. He stopped them for whatever reason, probably got cut off.

[21:35:02] This is the horrible thing about what is going on today with opiates. What happens when you cut off an opiate addict?

CATHERWOOD: It turned to heroin.

PINSKY: It turned to heroin. Heroin.

HO: Yes. The opposite happen. So, if you are on something like hydrocodone that tends to sedate you, when you are without it, you go into

withdrawal, which is the opposite physiological effect.

PINSKY: You will get agitated. If anything, the cannabis might have helped the withdrawal. If anything, I am telling you -- Vanessa, you are

shaking your head no.

BARNETT: I just cannot believe, as a doctor you are completely disregarding the fact that he is taking a drug, any drug. And, I have

learned this from you. Any drug can change the way you act, can alter your mood, can alter what you do.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: So, I am not saying, "OK, not guilty because you smoke them. You ate some cannabis Gummy Bears," but you cannot discount the fact that he

has taken a drug that is altered his system.

PINSKY: There is no doubt that when people take a drug and then do something horrible, they are held accountable in the eyes of the law. But

this is something worse. This is something more insidious.

He was giving -- probably taking medication nearly as prescribed by a doctor. People take massive amounts of opiates these days. He was cut off

for whatever reason. Maybe he got agitated. He got angry. They realized they had an opioid on their hands.

So, as opposed to doctor going, "Hey, man! We did not intend to this, but it appears we have made you addicted to these pharmaceutical drugs. We got

to get you treatment." They cut him off. He gets agitated and irritable and maybe even psychotic in withdrawal. So, it is the drugs. Do not get

me wrong. It is the drugs. It is just not cannabis.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: Audience question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Hello panel.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: This question is for you, all. What will you do if you are on the jury for that case.

PINSKY: If I am in the jury for that case, I would -- well, I was just thinking I want to indict whoever is prescribing the opiates really for

that poor guy.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: I would not buy the cannabis defense. But the problem is, the real problem Judy with this, is that he in the eyes of the law, I am sure

they will give instructions to/the jury that his using substances if it is materially related to the murder, it is on him. And, that is sad. Oh,

Vanessa, that is your point of view.

BARNETT: Absolutely, if you are going to do drugs you are going to do something bad. Like no one said, "Oh, I am going to take these drugs and I

am going to save the world." If you do drugs, you might kill your wife.

PINSKY: Judy. Judy, how do we get people to understand, that this is what we call iatrogenic. This is like -- I suspect. We do not know. Maybe the

drug addicts and start the pills out as possible. But in all likelihood, me and my peers are really what is responsible here.

HO: That is right, because as a doctor you are supposed to be monitoring all of the progress of your patients, how they are responding to the

medication.

PINSKY: Or be able to identify addiction as it occurs.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: They just do not even know when it is there.

CATHERWOOD: That is the thing, Drew. And, also people do not understand really the effects of the disease of addiction. He is responsible -- of

course, he is responsible for anything he does. He is a grown adult. But, the disease of addiction will force you to do a lot of thing. It will make

you steal to support your habit.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: It will make you lie and cheat. It will not make you kill people unless there is some underlying psychosis --

PINSKY: That is right.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: I absolutely agree with that. But, again, just because somebody is lying does not make them a bad patient. It may be difficult, but there

is something we need to figure out. If my patients did not lie, they should not be seeing me. My patient lie to me all to me as part of this

syndrome of addiction.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: We have an audience question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: If pot was the sole reason he killed would not we be seeing stories like this all the time?

PINSKY: 100 percent. 100 percent.

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HO: Yes.

PINSKY: And, look, here is what I think ultimately is that this is not about the pot. This is about pills. And, I am not the no pot guy. I

think every state needs to decide what they need to do. I am not a legislator. You guys decide what you want to do. There has been some

interesting things happening in Colorado because of the laws they put in place.

We will take care of that. We will deal with that. It may not be good for your health but at least we can have rational conversations about these

things once you legalize them or decide what you want to do in a particular state. But I will tell you what, the big problem in this country is pills.

Pills. Look out for that. We are back after this.

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PINSKY: Time for our "Click Fix," where you tell me what is trending on your Facebook, Twitter or Instagram feeds. We are back with Judy, Mike and

Vanessa. And, vanessa, you are up first. What do you gut?

BARNETT: Penises all over my Facebook page. Everywhere, there is penis, penis, penis, penis. Seriously. Researchers, they measured over 15,000

penises to come up with the average size. Every guy wants to know, what is the average size of my pee-pee.

PINSKY: Yes?

BARNETT: And, I have stats. I have real stats here. Average length when it is sad, when it is all flaccid, 3.6 inches. Fully erect, 5.2 inches.

My face hit the floor, like this cannot be right. This cannot be the average.

PINSKY: This was in a British study, right?

BARNETT: It was a British study and on top of that, they did not do many black men. If we are keeping this --

CATHERWOOD: Obviously. Obviously.

BARNETT: Obviously, the numbers do not lie, right?

PINSKY: And, Vanessa, you were offended by this study.

BARNETT: I was -- I gasped. I clutched my pearls. I threw my head back.

HO: Oh, my word.

BARNETT: Exactly. I was really dumbfounded that it just sounded so little.

PINSKY: Oh, my word.

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: I am kind of concerned.

PINSKY: Vanessa. OK. Mike, you are next. Enough penis.

CATHERWOOD: Now my ego is fully destroy because I am below average still.

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Wait. You are not. Even at the 5.2?

CATHERWOOD: I am pretty sure I am.

PINSKY: Wow!

CATHERWOOD: Unless I use my patented measuring system, where I go 3 inches behind the butt hole, 2 1/2 inches beyond the tip, you know?

PINSKY: This is 6 inches, right, Vanessa? 6 inches?

BARNETT: Yes. That is 6 inches. I think. Yes. We talked about the 6 inches. And, so it is a little bit smaller than that, fully erect.

[21:45:00] PINSKY: Sorry, Vanessa. It violates your sensibility.

BARNETT: Yes. I am upset.

PINSKY: OK. Mike.

CATHERWOOD: #StupidStarbucks. I get this all over my Twitter feed. I am wondering what is going on. It turns out the guy who runs Starbucks, the

CEO is insane and he had this grandiose hubris to believe that because he is a white Trillionaire, he can solve race relations by making baristas

put, and I quote, "Race together on our coffee cups."

And, if it is going to inspire conversation and everything is going to be erased. Like, listen, listen, closely, Hispanics, blacks, Asians, your 400

or 500 years of disenfranchisement, let me take care of that with a couple words on your Mochaccino. We are all good, right? We are all good.

Rightfully, so, he is being called up saying that it is patronizing. It is cringing.

PINSKY: People are fighting in line at the Starbucks.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: I heard somebody asked question today. "What have we left behind in the 20th century? Racism. Oh, no wait. Yes, not so much."

CATHERWOOD: of course. I mean I like the idea of creating an environment that race relations are improved, but you are not going to do it by writing

on my stupid Venti.

HO: Yes.

CATHERWOODL I mean like that is insanity.

PINSKY: What would your cousin Rudy think?

CATHERWOOD: Well, I mean, if you really want to know, I actually talked to him earlier today.

PINSKY: What did he say?

CATHERWOOD: And, he was like, "Damn bar! That is stupid."

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: That is what I thought. All right, Judy, what is your Click Fix?

HO: My goodness. I was going to say, what a horrible idea because if it is hot coffee and you are upset, hot coffee all over everybody.

CATHERWOOD: It is all in your dome.

HO: Anyway, my "Click Fix" is from Instagram. And, it is about Bruce Jenner and of course the process of his transgender process. So, lots of

pictures, a lot of them are doctored. And, he has a nose job. Look, he already had gender assignment surgery.

PINSKY: He did?

HO: No. That is what people are saying.

PINSKY: Oh! Just because of his nose --

HO: And they are posting fake photos.

PINSKY: I see.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: I see.

HO: And he has largely kind of ignored the media for a while. He has not had any interviews.

PINSKY: Good for him, right?

HO: Yes. I think so.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: I think so.

PINSKY: Absolutely.

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HO: As a psychologist I am obviously concerned about this, because he needs to go through his own process. It is very traumatizing already to

have to think about going through that. There might be medical treatments if he decides to actually go through the surgery.

PINSKY: You know, Judy, I hope that the transgender community embraces him and allows him to be a spokesperson, because he is so high profile. It is

such a startling story going from an Olympic champion through this process. I mean -- And for them to sort of not embrace him, not making him an ally

would be such a huge mistake it seems to me. So, what if he does not perfectly represent. He can educate about so much.

HO: Absolutely.

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CATHERWOOD: As a mental health professional -- as someone who understands mental health, I am concerned that a guy who is at the center of media

scrutiny might want to back off on going through something that is going to be already very traumatic.

HO: Exactly.

PINSKY: Well, he has backed off a little bit.

HO: Yes, and I think that is a good idea.

BARNETT: But to document, he is doing this full documentary. That does not seem like a back off to me. I feel like this is such a private matter

and I know he can help people. But, could he be asking for the attack as opposed to helping these thousands of people?

PINSKY: I do not know. It is a good question. But, I will tell you what, it has the potential to help people, to move this process along for people

that are struggling with this.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: And, so, he may have some good, some bad. But, let us embrace what is good about it and optimize that. Got to take a quick break. We

are back after this.

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[21:52:42] PINSKY: Welcome back. It is time for what we call "Dr. Drew`s Qs," where you ask me anything, and I will do my best to answer it. And,

we have audience questions and social media tweets, Facebook questions. Start with a tweet.

Kyle Lau, "Is sex addiction a real problem? #DrDrewsQs." Yes, it is a real problem if you have it. It is a terrible problem, in fact. It is not a

real diagnosis in the sense that it is in the DSM-V. But, it is a construct.

It is the way of understanding certain kinds of behaviors where people use sex like a drug. They lose control over something that is supposed to be

enjoyable. They start having consequences like all addictions.

And, the treatment is complicated, frankly. You need to be sure you are dealing with somebody who understands sex addiction, who has treated it

regularly. There is a website, the center for healthy sex.com. If you would like to check out more about that. Alright, let us hit back to the

audience question. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. So, my boyfriend and I, we have a lot of sex.

PINSKY: Good times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So, how much is too much sex, though?

PINSKY: Well, hm-mm? That requires a little thought, if you are hurting yourself physically, if one or the other is unhappy with the amount, if you

are affecting other abilities to be productive, it sort of falls into similar categories of other addictions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: OK.

PINSKY: But, if you are cool and not hurting each other, and you still enjoy it. I mean -- I guess it is like anything else, if you ate too much

of something you really like, eventually you might spoil a little bit. So, you might want to keep some on hand for years down the road. All right?

But hats off to you. Congratulations. Well done.

Let us see another -- This is a tweet. It is from Jeff Frank. "He asked brain chemistry and sex at a young age, does this have an effect on the

future? #DrDrewHLN #DrDrewsQs." I think what we are talking about here is a little vague in his question, but I think what he is talking about is

early sexual exposure, early sexualization.

And, absolutely, it has an effect on the development and the chemistry of the brain. Would you be surprised if we had other primates like we had a

pot of chimpanzees and we showed highly evocative images and it changed their brain during development. We could expect that to happen. The same

thing happens with humans.

[21:55:00] And, so exposure to pornography is not good for kids. Anything that shatters their regulatory limit can really affect how they are able to

regulate their emotions. And it also, strangely, because it is kind of traumatizing makes them attracted to these extreme images and behaviors

that they may have seen in childhood.

It is funny. The one of the crazy things about humans is when things happen to us that are disturbing to us in childhood, we get attracted to it

later in life. It is a very funny thing. Back to the audience. Yes, ma`am, what do you got?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew. Do you think that edible marijuana is stronger than smoking it?

PINSKY: It is strong. Well, it can be if you eat enough of it, but --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I have had that experience.

PINSKY: You had? It lasts a lot longer. It is harder to --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I was sick for hours.

PINSKY: Yes. It happens to a lot of people because they do not really realize what they are taking. It is just a couple pieces of chocolate,

what is the big deal?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Exactly.

PINSKY: A brownie or something, ands all of a sudden, two days later you are still high.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: Yes. And, when people have untoward effect from cannabis -- No, I mean it is good times, but do not get me wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Seriously.

PINSKY: But, when you have untoward effects like psychotic things and excessive -- they can actually hallucinate on things on this or get

physically ill. You vomit. That sort of thing. The edibles. It is not the smokeables, so where you hear the stories like that. So, you have to

be really, really, really careful.

Little known, sort of tidbit about the new laws in Colorado that have emerged. I was up there doing some work. And, they were telling me, one

of the dirty little secrets about the edibles in Colorado is that the incidents of veterinary emergency room visits went off the charts for dogs

getting into the edibles and having really adverse reactions. Yes.

So, something to think about. Let us go to another tweet. Yes, ma`am. This is from Cameron who wants to know, "Can your penis get too erect?"

And, again, I have to read between the lines on what our Twitter followers are really wanting to ask here. I think what he is asking is can you have

an erection that is problematic?

And, yes, you can. It is called priapism. If it is painful, if it does not go away. And, again, pain being the main thing. It is usually the

side effect of a medication. Though there can be other medical problems it could cause it as well. But, it is actually a serious problem.

It actually needs -- sometimes it needs a surgical intervention. And, if you do not get proper intervention, sometimes pharmacology, some

medications can help you. If you do not get intervention quickly, you can actually have permanent problems with erectile function. It is called

priapism. Look it up. It is good times. Back to the audience. Hey! A couple, wow!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Drew. So, a quick relationship question, I guess.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Young married couple --

PINSKY: Congratulations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: We have been together for about four and a half years. As a clinician --

PINSKY: Have been married for four and a half years?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Married.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Married for --

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: As a clinician myself, opposite schedules, bartender clinician thing going on.

PINSKY: Oh, boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Things get stressful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: We were just curious how you and Susan keep a healthy relationship? Any tips, you know, since you guys both have busy

schedules as well.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Funny you would ask that, because it comes up all the time as you might imagine. I have had periods in my life where my work schedules has

been slower, but I go crazy sometimes. I am a workaholic. And, she knows I like doing that.

I get kind of -- I enjoy when I get those periods in my life. And, she goes, "There you go again." You know? She comes -- you kind of come it

terms with it and just go, "OK, it makes you happy. I know you will have periods were you are not so deeply involved you`re your work." And, so

just make sure you get to the point eventually.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Right.

PINSKY: There is that. And, the other thing is you know there is a guy named Sternberg that put out the three qualities of love. You probably

know. It is commitment, passion, and intimacy. Those are three things that people need.

And, the part that people that start having stress because of their schedules, forget about sometimes there is commitment. You have to stay

focused on that. You just stay committed. We will get through this. That is all. Believe me, when you have kids it is going to get even worse.

Marital satisfaction starts to drop. I mean it is a wonderful experience but the satisfaction of the marriage is not as great. And, so, you really

have to stay with that commitment and know you will emerge. It is a long- term proposition, not a short-term issue. So, good luck.

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PINSKY: WE have one more question from the audience. Yes, ma`am. What do you got?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi. So, for those of us girls that do not want to go on birth control --

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: And, guys are always like I do not want to wear a condom, I will just pull out. My question is --

PINSKY: First of all, do not do the pullout thing. OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMAE AUDIENCE: Well, ok.

PINSKY: That is not a birth control. That is better than going all the way, I understand but not a good birth control.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. OK. So, that answers half the question.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: But, what I am really wondering is pre-cum. How lovely is it to get pregnant off of pre-cum.

PINSKY: There is no number for that. Some guys numbers have highly concentrate of sperm, pre-ejaculate. Other guys have none. Some guys put

high volume with low sperm count. It is all over the place.

You cannot really predict with a particular guy. But you hold the keys to the kingdom. Here is what you say, "Oh, you do not wear a condom? All

right, bye." Or just no sex. One or the other. And, believe me, magically he will fall in line. Magically he will fall in line.

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All right, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for this great audience. Thank you, of course, to my panelist and guests.

"Forensic Files" is next. Thank you at home to watching us. I will see you next time.

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