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ISIS Getting Closer to Baghdad in Iraq; Obama: We're Not Losing to ISIS; Police: Assistant Changed Story Multiple Times; Senate Blocks Surveillance Extension; Florida Pediatric Dentist Performed Unnecessary Procedures to Bill Medicaid; Fatal Plane Crash on Florida's Interstate; "19 and Counting" Pulled from the Air. Aired 6- 7a ET

Aired May 23, 2015 - 06:00   ET



JOE JOHNS, CNN GUEST ANCHOR: Developing overnight, ISIS takes control of another town in Iraq. As fears grow for Baghdad.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: New this morning, two men here at home arrested for ISIS connections.

Also this morning, police look for more suspects from mass murders inside a D.C. mansion as a key witness changed his story about what they said happened that night.

JOHNS: And remember that fiery plane crash on a Georgia interstate? Well, we've got dramatic new dash cam video that shows the plane's final moments coming up.

PAUL: So grateful to have your company as always. Thanks for being here. I'm Christi Paul.

JOHNS: And I'm Joe Johns in for Victor Blackwell on this holiday weekend. New this morning, ISIS is advancing towards Baghdad after taking Ramadi. It's now pushing east on road to Baghdad.

But this morning, Iraqi Security Forces took back the little town ISIS had capture yesterday on the way to the major military base of Habbaniyah. Now, the distance between ISIS and Baghdad is about an hour and a half away.

Let's bring in senior international correspondent, Arwa Damon. Arwa, is there a chance ISIS might be able to capture Habbaniyah airbase anytime soon?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It doesn't seem to be that way. They did have the airbase, a strategic military installation in their sights, but it seems that the Iraqi Security Forces backed by the popular mobilization units as they are called here.

But effectively, that Iranian-back Shia paramilitary force did manage to push ISIS back launching counter offensive, according to a number of security sources that we spoke to, regaining control over the town of Hadiya, and now trying to push towards ISIS positions in the town of Huseba.

So effectively for the moment, for the time being stopping the ISIS momentum as they move towards the Habbaniyah military base and then, of course, the concern being that if they were able to capture Habbaniyah, they would control the entire territory, the route between Ramadi and Fallujah.

And in that case, they would be able to pose a very serious threat to the capital of Baghdad. But the bottom line is that even though this morning, the Iraqi government can claim some small victories when it comes to pushing ISIS back.

Of course, key here is devising the kind of strategy that is going to ensure that these gains that are being made by the Iraqi government are not then once again lost to ISIS because we've been seeing these battlefield dynamics shifting on a fairly regular basis on a small scale.

But then you have these big victories that do take place like what ISIS took over Ramadi just about a week ago.

JOHNS: And since ISIS took over Ramadi, there's been so much talk about the consequences of controlling Baghdad. Could you explain to our viewers why it is significant if ISIS is able to take control of Baghdad?

DAMON: It would mean that Iraq has effectively fallen to ISIS. This is something that no one can afford to see happen, whether you look at it from a humanitarian perspective or whether you look at it from a military security perspective.

And one can be most certain that the forces that are on the ground here, the U.S.-led coalition are not going to allow that to happen, to have a major city like Baghdad under the control of ISIS.

It's something that no player in the region, no matter which side of the overarching political dynamic they may fall on is going to allow see happen at this stage.

JOHNS: A disturbing picture there painted. Thank you so much for that, Arwa Damon, we will check back with you.

PAUL: The terror group has spread significantly in one year and I want to demonstrate this real quickly for you here, to give you a real good picture. Going from this, see the areas in yellow there, this was in 2014, those yellow areas are what they controlled, ISIS.

Look at it now in 2015, what about the significant gains in just one year, all of this, of course, as President Obama said, quote, "I don't think we're losing to the terror group."

I want to bring in CNN military analyst, Major General James "Spider" Marks. Major General, thanks for being with us. First of all, when we talk about what the president is relaying to the American people about ISIS, how confident are you that the U.S. has a realistic grasp on what ISIS is capable of? MAJ. GENERAL JAMES "SPIDER" MARKS, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I think the United States knows exactly what ISIS has done, what it's capable of, and the key issue here clearly has remained our relationship with Iraq and how we can continue to bolster the Iraqi security forces, Christi.

[06:05:09] This is a very critical time for the United States. I would applaud the president for saying, look, we're not losing. He has to keep his chin up. He has to be maintaining a positive approach for this thing.

But I think more importantly what he needs to do at this point is square with the American people and say, look, this is intergenerational. We have agreed right now in terms of our policy, that we're going to watch Iraq. We're going to support our allies in Baghdad.

We are not going to let Baghdad fall. I think it's fair to say that Baghdad is OK right now as Arwa indicated, but what we see taking place in Anbar is incredibly troubling because it adds to that caliphate that ISIS is creating.

PAUL: Well, we've been saying that Baghdad is secure for now, but there is always that "for now" afterwards. And now we know that they are moving towards Baghdad. They've taken over Ramaid.

Think about this last week, we were sitting here talking about Abu Sayyaf. That he was the big get. He was the one that was going to change things. That was a week ago.

And just in this week, we've seen the fall of Ramadi. We've seen the fall of Palmyra in Syria. Moving towards Baghdad, again, I think people are looking at this and wondering can we do this via air or are we going to have to send troops in on the ground?

MARKS: Christi, really good point. It cannot be -- you cannot achieve the objective to defeat or degrade ISIS from the air. It just isn't going to happen. We know that. You can hold ISIS to a certain degree.

But again, you have to create ground presence and the strategy that the United States has taken in place is that Iraqi forces are going do that. The United States has yet to build a coalition sufficiently to really arrest ISIS and hold them in place and be able to push them back.

That's what we're seeing right now. You are absolutely correct. Troubling picture that we have right now is that Baghdad might be at risk. I would tell you Baghdad is in good shape.

I would tell you in our National Security Council meetings, as a matter of routine, there are probably established some red lines, some trigger points, if you will, that says, look, if ISIS continues to advance in a certain direction, we will, the United States, will increase its support, but we're not going tout boots on the ground. However, we do have advisers, et cetera, at certain levels. That is our strategy to date and I think we're watching it closely enough that Baghdad remains OK, again, for now. That's a tactical determination.

Overall strategy is we're trading space. We're going to give up some ground so that we create some time to continue to bolster the Iraqi forces themselves.

PAUL: I have so many more questions about the American people and about whether Iraqi can do this alone. You are going to be with us all morning and we appreciate that. We'll take a break and we'll get back to you. Thank you so much, Retired General Marks.

MARKS: Thanks, Christi. Absolutely.

JOHNS: And a domestic threat also fighting ISIS here at home, new this morning, two young men from Southern California are in custody right now accused of conspiring to help ISIS.

Now both of these men appeared in court yesterday in shackles. Federal prosecutors say one of these suspects let the other use his credit card to buy a one-way plane ticket to Israel.

They he had planned to disembark in Turkey so he could go fight with the Islamic militants. The family of one of these suspects said their motel room was actually raided by authorities. We'll hear from them in the next hour.

PAUL: Meanwhile, breaking news overnight, the Senate delayed its holiday weekend to vote on the National Security Agency's telephone data mining program. After hours of vigorous and contentious debate, senators shut down two motions that would allow the bulk data mining to continue.

The Senate will reconvene May 31st, that's next Sunday, just hours before this law authorizing the program expires. Attorney General Loretta Lynch has said if Congress does not renew existing surveillance programs, the United States will be less safe. We'll have more on that a little bit later in the show as well.

JOHNS: New details this morning on the gruesome murder mystery in D.C. Police are now looking for more suspects involved in that killing, and why a key witness is raising more questions this morning.

PAUL: Also, new video to share with you this morning from a deadly plane crash, a police dash cam rolling when a small plane crashes into a big Atlanta highway.

And now we are learning, 81 people were wounded in this mosque bombing claimed by ISIS. This happened in Saudi Arabia. We are going to have the latest ISIS developments for you throughout the morning. Stay close.

JOHNS: And for more on how you can help refugees survive conflicts in Syria and Iraq, go to



JOHNS: We've got new developments on that gruesome D.C. murder case. It now appears the man charged for the brutal killing of a prominent D.C. family and their housekeeper could not have acted alone.

The D.C. police chief said, quote, "It's pretty obvious there was coordination in this crime. Now, this attack began around 6:00 p.m. last Wednesday and it did not end until 1:24 p.m. the next day when the house was set on fire.

During that time, Savvas Savopoulos's wife, Amy, their son, Philip, and their housekeeper were held hostage. We are learning the victims were bound with duct tape and suffered from blunt force trauma.

And worst, there were signs that the 10-year-old son, Philip was tortured. Also in the police report, there are conflicting reports from the key witness about the $40,000 that was demanded to set this family free which never happened, quite frankly.

Joining us right now is CNN law enforcement analyst, Tom Fuentes, and CNN correspondent, Sara Ganim. Now Sara, let's start with you, the key witness, was Mr. Savopoulos' assistant.

This person, according to the charging documents changed his story more than once. It's a little confusing so could you just sort of walk us through that?

SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is a little confusing, Joe. But this person was the driver and the personal assistant to Mr. Savopoulos. He would do tasks for him throughout the day. And it seems as that this was one of those tasks that he says he was asked to do.

[06:15:01] The problem here, Joe, is that police outline that in his interview in the days after the fire when they began to investigate this as a homicide, this person, this assistant, who was not named, he tells a very different story on several occasions admits he actually light about several things.

I want to run through some of these things with you. He admits that he lied about when he was asked to go and get this $40,000, that's supposedly this ransom money that was brought to the house. He admits that he lied about how he got the money.

What it looked like if it was in a manila envelope or if it was in a red bag? How many bundles it was and whether or not they still had the paper tape from the bank on them?

How he dropped it off whether or not the car that he left it in was locked or not? And so these are details that add up. Why would this person lie about these things to police so much.

Now I want to bring up something, this raises a lot of questions. This person was obviously an employee of Mr. Savopoulos and the suspect, who has been arrested, was a former employee.

So this raises the question, did they know each other? There's nothing here in these charging documents, Joe, that label this person as a suspect.

However, police lay out the narrative in a way that makes him look suspicious. They clearly state that he did not tell the truth on several occasions and then admitted to that -- Joe.

JOHNS: All right, so, Tom, now, you look at the situation and you're probably pretty familiar with contradictory statements made by a witness. What does this tell you at first glance?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, Joe, at I think at first glance, it says that, you know, we have a possible person involved in the whole conspiracy. You know, these are pretty big facts to not get light or to misremember, compared to what an eyewitness saying if somebody was tall or short or dark hair or light hair.

These are significant facts and very easy to check up on by the police. When was the money withdrawn? How were the arrangements made? Who called who on what phone or what e-mail?

You know, in this case, the police will be able to have all of the phone records of all of these parties, all of the e-mail transmissions. All of the text messages and be able to determine what happened.

And then, of course, the bank officials, who withdrew the money, who signed for it, how it was received, what time it was received? So you know, there are so many aspects of this story that really somebody that involved should not get wrong, should not get that many things wrong or undo earlier statements at a later time.

JOHNS: So we know that the suspect, Wint, used to work for the company of which Savopoulos was the CEO. You know that, plus the elaborate nature of the crime. Now, to your mind, Tom, does this make you think that multiple people had to be involved in the execution of this crime?

FUENTES: Well, I think when the police say they believe multiple people are involved, you know, I don't think they just mean that multiple people went into the home and helped tie up the people with duct tape and commit the atrocities that took place in the home.

I think they're looking at this aspect that there's some type of possibly inside job, or inside connection between Wint and the employees at the company. And the assistant to Savopoulos, that are involved in this thing.

So I think those are the type of questions that they're going to have. As far as within the home, you know, it still requires extensive forensic investigation to rule out any other people having been in that home and been involved. It's hard to be inside of a physical premise for 18 hours and not be losing hair follicles, skin particles, other DNA. And then, of course, the police then have to take every member of the family, all of the housekeepers.

Any potential houseguests over the last several months including the daughters that are away at school, for matching purposes, and then look at what DNA is in that house that doesn't match the people, who are supposed to have been in that house.

We've already seen the one match that they are saying with Wint, will there be others with that. We'll learn more about whether other people were in that home.

JOHNS: Yes, referring to the DNA match on DNA that was found on a pizza crust left at the home that linked them actually to the suspect who was taken into custody. Tom Fuentes, thanks so much for that. We'll be seeing you all morning long. Sara Ganim, thanks also to you.

PAUL: Meanwhile, a nightmare dentist accused of abusing young kids, pulling out healthy teeth. Making this mother so mad, she tried to attack him. Now, he could finally be punished. We have more of the fine details for you and what's happening today.

Plus, the Senate was in session until just hours ago, debating privacy versus security when it comes to NSA phone surveillance. Who won for now?



JOHNS: With the Senate working not just on a weekend, but on a holiday weekend this time, very unusual.

PAUL: It is, isn't it? Yes.

JOHNS: Just getting through an hour -- a few hours ago, debating privacy versus security when it comes to NSA phone surveillance.

PAUL: The U.S. Senate shot down two motions that would allow the agency's bulk telephone data mining to continue. Joining us on the phone is Eric Bradner of CNN Politics.

Eric, first of all, what does this mean for the safety of Americans? I think that's the first thing people ask when they hear this?

ERIC BRADNER, CNN POLITICS (via telephone): Right, and it's a little bit tough to know yet, because this program expires at the end of the month, which means the Senate is off next week, it's going to come back a week from tomorrow, on Sunday, with one day to try to find some other sort of approach to pass at the very last minute since what we've seen on government shutdowns and that sort of things.

This is not just government funding. It's directly related to that NSA program. So it's tough to know yet because the time that the Senate has to act hasn't fully passed. And so many times it's seen something approved in the very last moments but, you know, Senate leaders are certainly concerned at this point.

JOHNS: You know, polls show most people are just concerned about staying safe and they expect the government to do that for them.

[06:25:01] Give me some sense of, if the Senate does not come to some type of a deal or a compromise, next Sunday night, how will it affect average Americans? Do you have any idea of that?

BRADNER: Well, it's tough to know. I mean, this is sort of Rand Paul's coming out party, right, the Kentucky senator, the junior Kentucky senator, who is opposing his own party, his own states, Senate majority leader, and is sort of speaking for Americans with these libertarian concerns who say that security isn't worth bargaining their freedom for.

And he's sort of leading this debate, not just in the Senate, but also into his own party and headed into the 2016 presidential race. And he's got quite a bit of support out there, at least a vocal set of supporters.

And so this is say really important debate that's not going to go away. It's one that he's leading in terms of the 2016 presidential debate. So what does it mean for ordinary Americans?

I don't think the ordinary American really understands the intricate details of the NSA programs, but you do have a lot of presidential candidates like Jeb Bush making the argument that it will put ordinary American's safety at risk.

That we've seen some instances of perhaps lone actors, but at least people inspired by message of terror, acting within the United States, and that this further puts the United States at risk.

Now, you know, we can't sort of get an answer the direct cause and effect right now. But that is a concern that a lot of not just Senate leaders, but presidential candidates are expressing, which sort of shows that this is a big issue in the 2016 race.

JOHNS: Yes, I think you're absolutely right about that. When you look at the big picture, this is something that started with Mr. Snowden, and NSA and raised the questions of the United States government snooping on its own people. And now, have this huge privacy versus security debate. Thanks so much for that, Eric Bradner.

PAUL: Eric, thank you. We're going to have a live report for you, by the way, from Washington on the NSA votes coming up at 7:00.

JOHNS: Also ahead, healthy teeth ripped out. Isn't that awful? Unnecessary procedures all allegedly done by a dentist to young children, what this dentist has done now?

PAUL: Plus, the fallout continues for the reality TV family, the Duggars. Their show has pulled from the air following molestation allegations against one of the stars. A lot of people are wondering now will formal charges be imminent?


PAUL: 31 minutes past the hour. We're going to get you caught up on what else is happening this morning. In Iraq, first of all, ISIS militants are advancing closer to Baghdad. They're just about an hour's drive away, we are told.

JOHNS: Iraqi security officials say ISIS has now seized control of a small town near the Habbaniyah Military Airbase where Iraqi security forces and Shia militia are amassing. They have launched a counterattack to try to hold ISIS back.

And prosecutors are saying Daron Wint did not act alone when killing a prominent Washington family. They point to the elaborate nature of the crime from holding Savvas Savopoulos, his wife, son and their housekeeper hostage for 18 hours to the $40,000 money drop off to setting the house on fire. NO one else has been charged, but the investigation is ongoing.

PAUL: A Florida pediatric dentist, accused of horrific abuses against his own patients, these little kids as he's closed his practice now and given up his medical license.

JOHNS: That's right. And just days before Howard Schneider closed his doors he spoke to our Victor Blackwell who is in Jacksonville, hearing the terrifying stories of Schneider's alleged victims. We want to warn you, some people may find this story disturbing.


JOHNS: It's a sound no parent likes to hear, a child screaming out of fear and possibly pain from the dentist chair. This cell phone video was secretly recorded by the boy's mother. Going to the dentist is a rite of passage of sorts, but what's alleged to have happened in this office at the hands of 78-year-old Dr. Howard Schneider was not a rite of passage. It is horrifying.

For the past three weeks, there have been daily protests outside his Jacksonville Florida practice. One parent so angry, she attacked him outside his office. Schneider says he's done nothing wrong. The firestorm started after Brandi Motley wrote about the day she took her six-year old daughter Brio (ph) to Dr. Schneider to have one tooth pulled. On the day of surgery in December 2014, Motley says she was not allowed to sit with her daughter.

BRANDI MOTLEY, MOTHER: The nurse suggested that it's best that kids act better when the parents aren't in the room. They said we don't like parents back here for the procedure.

JOHNS: So, Motley says she sat in the waiting room for three hours until the waiting turned to worrying.

MOTLEY: Finally the nurse came and got me and she said there had been an incident. She was hyperventilating, she had marks all over her and blood all over her. JOHNS: Angry and unable to get a clear explanation of what happened, Motley says she and Bria left to rush to an emergency room.

MOTLEY: In the parking lot, she takes a gauze out, and I noticed all of her teeth were gone.

JOHNS: Motley says Dr. Schneider had pulled not one tooth but seven.

MOTLEY: What happened to all of her teeth?

JOHNS: According to mom, Brio says Dr. Schneider hit her and choked her, so Mom called police twice. And although department records indicate officers responded and according to police log one wrote a report, Jacksonville sheriff's office tells CNN no report was written on this incident. Initially, no attorney would take her case.

MOTLEY: That's when I decided to put her pictures on my Facebook and tell everybody what happened.

JOHNS: Her story went viral. And soon other parents posted their children's pictures and claims of unwanted procedures and abuse at the hands of Dr. Howard Schneider.

AMANDA BARRY, MOTHER: I kept reading and reading, until the name Dr. Howard and I knew that was the same dentist.


JOHNS: Amanda Barry is deaf. Her five-year old son Domenic is blind in one eye. There he says Domenic was referred to Dr. Schneider for a crown in March. The boy is part of a civil suit accusing Schneider of assault and battery. According to the complaint, two front teeth were removed for unknown reasons. And Domenic was terrified and told stories of the dentist choking him.

(on camera): Did you cry out? Did you scream out?

UNIDENTIFIED BOY: Yes, I screamed for my mom.

BARRY: That's what bothers me even most. Because I'm deaf, I can't hear anything. And to know that child was calling for me in my name and I can't help him makes me feel like lousy, makes me feel lousy.

Do you know I'm always here for you?

UNIDENTIFIED BOY: Until now - you are with me, until the dentist department, the mean dentist department, we were apart, and I was feeling like sad because I wasn't with you.

JOHNS (voice over): Brio's family at one point was part of that same lawsuit, but since has withdrawn. They're now pursuing a medical malpractice suit represented by Attorney John Phillips. Phillips says he also represents dozens of Dr. Schneider's former patients, most of them rely on Medicaid for health insurance.

JOHN PHILLIPS, ATTORNEY: Medicaid paid him per tooth. So can I cap a tooth twice? Yes. Can I then pull it? Yes. Can I then successfully obtain benefits for all three? Absolutely.

JOHNS: And Dr. Schneider has made a fortune from Medicaid. State record shows Schneider has received nearly $4 million in Medicaid reimbursements in just the last five years. Now the Florida attorney general's office has launched a criminal Medicaid fraud investigation and the claims stretched back decades. In 1995, malpractice suit was settled out of court. It claimed Dr. Schneider unnecessarily placed 16 crowns in the mouth of a 3-year-old. The boy's family was paid $7,500 as part of the settlement agreement. A second malpractice suit was filed that year, but the documents from that case had been destroyed. And the outcome is unclear.

GUST SARIS, ATTORNEY: Somebody who is performing procedures at children don't need pulling teeth that he knows should still be in the child's mouth, in some cases we even have where many procedures were done except for what they came in for.

JOHNS: Attorney Gust Saris represents Domenic and he says dozens more of Dr. Schneider's former patients. This month, he filed the potential class action lawsuit against Schneider on behalf of these children. Claiming patterns of abuse of his child patients. An accusation that CNN discovered has been made before.

According to this 2013 police report the mother of a five-year-old patient was allowed to sit with her daughter during the procedure. The mother told police Schneider grabbed her daughter's face and slapped her face several times. The officer acknowledged a small scratch behind the victim's left ear. The alleged defense - battery. Dr. Schneider denied touching the girl. He was not arrested. Instead, the officer referred the mother to the state attorney's office. Nurses who were in the room later denied that anything inappropriate happened. Prosecutors decided not to file charges because of an improbability of conviction at trial. CNN made no fewer than five calls to Dr. Schneider's office to arrange an interview. None was returned. We found him in the parking lot of his office.

(on camera): What do you think about the allegations?

DR. Schneider: What do I think about them? You don't want to hear.

JOHNS: No, sir, I do, because ...

SNYDER: They're not correct. They are not - I want to be left alone, OK?

JOHNS (voice over): Despite the calls to police and the malpractice settlements, and the fraud investigation, Dr. Schneider is free to practice. His license is clear. According to the Florida Board of Dentistry, he's not been disciplined by the state and for these parents, that's unacceptable, they want more.

BARRY: They go to jail and never work on any other kids again. To shut his doors and never do this again.

(END VIDEOTAPE) PAUL: I know it's (INAUDIBLE), isn't it? Listen, we need to give you an update here, since Victor's report, the dentist has closed his practice. And we learned overnight that he actually voluntarily relinquished his license to the Florida Department of Health. But I want to bring in HLN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Joey Jackson. Because you listened to all of that evidence, all of the things that they've got against him, Joey, how is this guy not in some sort of custody or facing some sort of formal charge at this point?

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Sure, Christi, good morning. It's certainly horrifying and when you listen to some interviews of his patients when they refer to his office as a torture chamber it gives you a semblance of what you're dealing with. And in addition to that, in addition to having other patients, of course, who would come forward as witnesses, you have former employees who are coming forward, et cetera. So understand that there's two parallel things that I think we can look to here.

The first, of course, is the criminal investigation undertaken by the state attorney general's office, office of Medicaid fraud.


JACKSON: Whenever you're billing and you're billing for procedures that are unwanted, unnecessary or certainly you're just engaging into pat expenses that's problematic and that, of course, will be the accusation. Oftentimes, though, Christi, in Medicaid fraud allegations and accusations I've represented, people accused of such things, you would see either a criminal prosecution to the extent of jail time. Or you can see a prosecution that ends up in some type of financial settlement to repay any claims that you should not have done in the first place. And so, to be clear about that, it could end up where, yes, a, he could be in jail. Or "B," he would just be engaged in a settlement to pay back various matters. The second track, Christi, of course, is a civil allegation, and that is, or allegations, I should say, and there are certainly reports that there are class actions against him from patients who he engaged in negligent activities and that, of course, is problematic as well to the extent that he could be forced to pay large monetary settlements or, of course, this insurance carrier could do that.

PAUL: OK, so let me ask you this. The Florida Department of Health is meeting next week and they're going to be discussing, you know, what's going to happen to him. Does what they rule affect anything that the parents would be able to do in a courtroom?

JACKSON: Great point, Christi. What happens is, is that there are really separate entities. And that is, of course, anytime that you're a professional, you're licensed by the state. And the purpose of that, of course, is to ensure that if you engage in any type of impropriety against patients or otherwise, your license can be pulled. And we're seeing that here through the voluntary pulling of that. There's really two entities. That's the Department, the Florida Department of Health and, of course, the Florida Department of Dentistry. And no act and determine whether or not, you know, he'll ever be allowed to practice again. Whether or not the pulling of the voluntary relinquishment of his licenses for a temporary period or should it be more of longstanding. But that should not at all affect what the parents or any class actions doing against him.

The bigger concern is whether he what we call dissipated assets. That is knowing that you're going to be sued what are you doing with your money.

PAUL: Yeah.

JACKSON: And so, I think attorneys will be moving to -and join otherwise to prevent him from doing anything with any assets he has. So that if he did engage in any wrongdoing, will be determined as we will forward. There's a pot of money there to satisfy whatever claims that exist against him.

PAUL: Joey, one word answer from you, is this a strong case, do you think that the parents can win?

JACKSON: Compelling case from what we know. And everyone is entitled to due process, of course.

PAUL: Of course.

JACKSON: And, you know, he has his rights and he'll assert them in court. But from what we know, Christi, it's very problematic when you have people marching outside of your office in mass, and when you do things that affect children, you know well Christi, the beautiful mother that you are, boy, you don't want to mess with people's kids. It doesn't end up good.

PAUL: God bless you for saying that, Joey. But you're right. I would have been - I admit I would have been like that woman.

JACKSON: You've been on that ...

JACKSON: You would have been leading the protest.

PAUL: I admit it! I admit it! Joey, thank you so much.

JACKSON: Thank you.

PAUL: Thank you so much.

Listen, later this morning, too, we're going to talk to the attorney that's representing some of these victims. If you have any other questions that you want to ask him, go ahead and tweet me or send it to me on Facebook. I want to make sure we get your answers - then get answers to your questions for you.

JOHNS: All right, Christi. Still ahead, the video of that plane that crashed into an Atlanta interstate, killing everybody on board. The question is whether it's going to be able to help investigators determine what happened.

Plus, a car jack suspect ends up being the one held at gunpoint. We've got incredible video you need to see. And coming up in our next hour, tensions are high this Memorial Day weekend as thousands of bikers gather across the country to celebrate the long holiday weekend. We'll tell you why authorities say they're on alert.



PAUL: 47 minutes past the hour. I want to show you some new video that we've just gotten into CNN of a fatal plane crash on a Georgia intestate earlier this month. And this may reveal crucial clues into what caused this deadly descent, you see there - or just saw there, as the plane exploded as it hit the ground. This video was recorded on an officer's dash cam. And you can see, we'll show you it here in a minute again, there it is, in the shot here, the plane coming in, as we - at circles, and then you'll see in a moment, as it hits. This big plume of smoke as it took a sharp right turn there. And then we know, obviously that the plane is down.

By the time the officer pulls up to the scene and you see it here, too. The plane is already fully engulfed. Four people, in fact, were killed in that crash. And we do know that a preliminary report shows the pilot had radioed that he was having some trouble gaining altitude. But again, this - some brand-new video that we're just getting in, it could certainly help answer some questions.

JOHNS: Pulled from the air, the network TLC reacting to molestation charges made against one of the stars that hit show "19 kids and counting." We'll have that report coming up.

Plus, the California oil spill impacting some of nature's most vulnerable creatures. Including dolphins and sea lions. We'll have the latest on the cleanup.


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JOHNS: We've got new details this morning of the scandal involving one of the stars of the hit show "19 Kids and Counting." A police report which alleges that Josh Duggar molested girls as a teen will now be expunged. Meanwhile, TLC has pulled repeats of the program off their air. CNN's Dan Simon has more on these developments.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a story of my family. We're the Duggars.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Duggar family seemed tailor made for a reality show. And "19 Kids and Counting" has been a huge hit for TLC.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pink balloons say it all. We're having a girl.

SIMON: It turns out the ever growing family espousing conservative Christian beliefs made for good ratings.

CHILDREN (singing): Joy to the world, the Lord has come.

SIMON: But now a bombshell as a dark family secret explodes out into the open:

JOSH DUGGAR: Hello, I'm Josh Duggar from TLC's "19 Kids and Counting."

SIMON: Josh Duggar, the charismatic oldest child is accused of molesting several girls including some of the siblings when he was 14. That stunning revelation coming from "In Touch" magazine, which obtained a 2006 Springdale, Arkansas police report. It details among other things that Josh Duggar confessed to his father, Jim Bob Duggar who then apparently waited for more than a year before contacting authorities. Instead, the Duggars say they told elders of their church and received counseling.

CHARLOTTA TRIGGS, SENIOR EDITOR PEOPLE MAGAZINE: Obviously, this is a family that had built their reputation and the brand on the idea of being wholesome and, you know, having family values and then to discover that something like this had gone down is truly shocking.


SIMON: The Duggars have been able to capitalize on their fame. And Josh has become a favorite among conservatives for his outspoken views against abortion and same-sex marriage.

JOSH DUGGAR: I believe sincerely that the people of every state should remain free to uphold marriage as the union of one man and one woman.


SIMON: Josh Duggar in a statement acknowledging the allegation, quote, "12 years ago as a young teenager I acted inexcusably for which I'm extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others including my family and close friends," he writes. "We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling."

The fallout has been swift. With TLC pulling the show from its schedule. And Josh Duggar resigning as executive director of the Conservative Family Research Council. And social media has been particularly harsh. Montel Williams tweeting, "Gosh, yet another anti-gay alleged Christian defender turns out to be a garden variety scumbag."

Josh Duggar was never charged for the crime, and the statute of limitations to charge him now has expired. Anna Duggar, his 26-year old wife, put out a statement saying that she knew about her husband's, quote, "past teenage mistakes" before they got married and that she remains committed to him. Dan Simon, CNN, San Francisco.


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