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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. We go live as the world watches U.S. decathlon Olympic winner turned reality star Bruce Jenner
transition into Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce Jenner unveiled as a woman on the cover of "Vanity Fair," with the star posing in a white satin corset and
showing off her now long brunette hair with highlights.
Bombshell tonight. As the reality star sets up her very own Twitter account under the name Caitlyn Jenner, offering beauty tips and advice,
still looming a potential vehicular homicide investigation and jury trial for the death of a woman Jenner slammed into from behind. As the new
Caitlyn Jenner basks in a newfound personality, how will it all affect a homicide investigation and wrongful death suit?
That video you`re seeing from "Vanity Fair." And listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CAITLYN JENNER, FORMER OLYMPIC CHAMPION: Caitlyn didn`t have any secrets. As soon as the "Vanity Fair" cover comes out, I`m free.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His last interview as man.
JENNER: My brain is much more female than it is male. It`s hard for people to understand that, but that`s what my soul is.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That exclusive interview from ABC News.
And tonight, live, police launch a manhunt for a creepy burglar, who breaks into a couple`s upscale home, stroking the woman as she lay sleeping
next to her husband. But is the perv caught on video?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A stranger in her bedroom. A Florida woman...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... who was sound asleep when all of a sudden, she felt someone next to the bed touching or stroking her leg. Clad only in
his underwear, the intruder ran away. Police are now looking for the man.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight live. A young woman just 34 years old dies moments after getting a basement butt enlargement from an unlicensed
doctor.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An apparently illegal cosmetic procedure went horribly wrong.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) butt implants? That`s -- that`s shocking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nathan (ph) drove in with her mom, and she was in the process of getting butt injections when the procedure went bad and
the fake doctor skipped out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We go live as the world watches U.S. decathlon Olympic winner turned reality star Bruce Jenner transition to Caitlyn
Jenner, Bruce Jenner unveiled as a woman on "Vanity Fair," where the Olympic star posing in a white satin corset and showing off her now long
brunette hair with highlights.
As the reality TV star sets up her very own Twitter account under the name Caitlyn Jenner, offering beauty tips and advice, still looming a
potential vehicular homicide investigation and jury trial for the death of a woman Jenner slams into from behind. As the new Caitlyn Jenner basking
in a newfound personality, how will it affect a homicide investigation and wrongful death suit in front of a jury?
To Brian Stelter, CNN senior media correspondent. Brian, thanks so much for being with us.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thank you.
GRACE: Let`s take it from the beginning. At first, nobody was really even sure Jenner slammed into the woman because it was very unsure whether
another car ricocheted into her or not.
Now the facts are out there that his car seemingly did slam into her. But how is all this hoopla surrounding Bruce Jenner turning into Caitlyn
Jenner going to affect a potential jury trial?
Let`s start with the transitioning. For so long, Brian, Bruce Jenner denied that he was transitioning into a woman.
Everybody, you`re seeing video from "Vanity Fair." It was a glamorous, a beautiful "Vanity Fair" shoot.
So what was with the denial, denial, denial, and then boom, on the front page of "Vanity Fair"?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this has been stage-managed not like a reality show, Nancy, but like a drama, a real life drama. Every
step of the way, things have happened very carefully. They`ve been arranged very carefully.
You think back to that interview with Diane Sawyer, where Bruce Jenner spoke for the first time about being transgender. It was filmed back in
February, but it wasn`t shared with the world until April.
By then, some of the facial reconstruction that you`re seeing on screen had started to take place. And then, of course, this week the
"Vanity Fair" cover, the next step in this perfectly choreographed series of announcements from Bruce, now Caitlyn Jenner.
[20:05:06]GRACE: With me is Brian Stelter, CNN`s senior media correspondent. He was referring to that exclusive ABC interview, where
Bruce Jenner announces he will now be Caitlyn Jenner. Right now, you`re seeing Caitlyn Jenner in an E! docu-series called "I Am Cait."
But listen to Diane Sawyer at her best.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We last saw Bruce back in April when he sat down with ABC`s Diane Sawyer, his last interview as man.
JENNER: My brain is much more female than it is male. It`s hard for people to understand that, but that`s what my soul is.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is from ABC News.
You know, a lot of people throwing stones at Bruce Jenner for the transitioning into a woman. You know what? My theory on this, if you
don`t believe in transitioning, then don`t transition. Let the man do what he wants to do.
Back to Brian Stelter with CNN. Brian, so you say this whole thing was choreographed. Why do you say that?
STELTER: You know, there`s a high-powered -- or high-profile, very high-powered PR executive out in Hollywood that`s been helping Jenner do
this, so that it all goes smoothly, so that there`s a less bad press and more positive press.
And I have to say, overwhelmingly, the press has been positive around this transition. You know, cameras are rolling now for the E! reality show
that Jenner will be doing this summer, you mentioned it just now, called "I Am Cait." This will be the first time where she talks in depth about why
she`s making this transition and what it`s been like for the first few months.
What hasn`t been talked about, though, what hasn`t been talked about in the Diane Sawyer interviews or in "Vanity Fair" is the car crash.
That`s the part that no one`s talking about except for you. So I give you credit, Nancy, for bringing this up and reminding people this is still an
ongoing investigation.
GRACE: Well, Brian, you know -- everybody, you`re seeing video from "Vanity Fair." You were a little bit earlier. Now you`re seeing the
crash.
I want Jenner to be happy, whatever, you know, makes him, her happy. And this is a lifelong desire of his. He`s had sexual dysphoria for many,
many years. Several wives have come out and talked about it, that they -- he told them, if not immediately, at some point, Hey, I have gender
dysphoria. I want to be a woman. And I don`t know that that was a big secret among his wives.
But we still have the issue of a vehicular homicide victim to deal with.
STELTER: Right.
GRACE: But I`ve got to ask you a question. Brian Stelter, how far has the transitioning gone? Is -- is -- OK, what -- does he have a penis?
STELTER: Well, that`s the part everybody wants to ask but everybody`s afraid to ask, right?
GRACE: I really don`t have another way. I was trying -- I was grasping for words. I didn`t know quite how to put it out there.
That`s video from...
STELTER: I`ll tell you the best answer...
GRACE: ... E! "Keeping up With the Kardashians."
STELTER: ... I`ve got.
GRACE: What?
STELTER: The best answer I`ve got is that she has said in the past that`ll be the last part. If she ever decides to go there, that`ll be the
last part that happens. We`ve got no reason to think it`s happened yet.
But we see the new face. The facial reconstruction surgery went so well. We see it on the cover of "Vanity Fair" with Caitlyn Jenner there.
Additionally, we see -- we see quite an impressive chest that was not there a few months ago.
So you can see there has been a dramatic change, and that`s why she was posing for these pictures with a -- you know, a very famous
photographer, Annie Leibovitz, another part of that carefully choreographed transition I was talking about.
But as these cameras are rolling with E!, I find it really notable that Buzz Bissinger, the writer of the "Vanity Fair" article, which was
12,000 words long, didn`t mention the vehicular manslaughter issue at all.
He focused, and rightfully so, understandably so, on the issue of the transition and how hard it has been to make this transition and how free
Caitlyn Jenner says she is now. But it did seem to me like the car crash issue was just totally missing.
GRACE: And you know, another thing -- everybody, you`re seeing video from "Vanity Fair." I`m going to play part of that interview in just a
moment.
But Brian, when I was out doing "Dancing With the Stars," as you will recall, Robert Kardashian was in our season. So Jenner, now Caitlyn
Jenner, was there with all of the Kardashians. And you know, they`re very -- when I saw them, anyway, which was almost every day coming to the studio
to watch Rob practice, or whatever they were doing -- were very polite and very nice, and so was Caitlyn, then Bruce.
At the time, you know, when I would look at him, I didn`t see any suggestion that he was undergoing a transformation. I didn`t see that.
But -- and so it`s very difficult because I feel like he was such a polite, nice guy, to except (ph) what I know about the crash, but that`s the hard
fact.
The hard fact is that this woman died in a crash, and for whatever reason, be it accident, be it negligence, I don`t know why, Jenner was at
the wheel.
[20:10:10]Brian Stelter with me. Also with me, Dr. Kathy Rumer, board-certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon. Dr. Rumer, thank you
for being with us. I`ve got a question. At this juncture, is Caitlyn Jenner a woman? Does he still have a penis, or does she have a vagina?
How does this whole thing work?
DR. KATHY RUMER, GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY EXPERT (via telephone): Well, I think the jury is still out on that one, whether he`s had bottom
surgery yet or not. The typical way that gender reassignment surgery works is there is a World Professional Association for Transgender Health. It`s
called WPATH. And there are guidelines that are set up through different modalities, be it your medical doctor, your behavioral therapist, your
surgeon, and a number of life role fulfillment criteria that people need to meet. Once that`s all met...
GRACE: What is that, life role criteria? Dr. Rumer, what is that life role criteria? Because you know, I could go dress like a man, but I
don`t know if I could pass for a man. So this is really a whole personality reassignment. It`s not just getting breast implants. It`s not
just, you know, shaving your Adam`s apple. It`s a whole new way of living, of thinking, of becoming. It`s like becoming a butterfly from being in a
chrysalis.
You`re seeing video from E!`s "Keeping up With the Kardashians."
So I imagine it takes a lot of mental reprogramming and psychological reprogramming.
RUMER: Well, it`s essential for the patients to live, at a minimum, for one year in the role as a female, if they are transgender females, or
transgender males living a male role. Once they fulfill that criteria, there`s also criteria that needs to be met by two behavioral therapists
with a master`s degree level of training or higher to make sure that the patient understands what they are, you know, agreeing to and interested in
having done.
GRACE: It`s interesting that you said that, Dr. Kathy Rumer. Brian Stelter -- everybody, you`re seeing video from "Vanity Fair."
I was reading an article where Caitlyn, who was formerly known as Bruce Jenner, said, I woke up and thought, What have I done to myself?
Because you know, it`s like a dog chasing a car. What are you going to do when you get it? So when he first wakes up, he went, Oh, what have I done?
But the -- he seems to be, she seems to be, happy now and settling into the decision.
Here`s E!`s "Keeping up With the Kardashians."
Do you remember that, Caitlyn Jenner said, What have I done?
STELTER: That`s right. This was a 10-hour-long facial feminization surgery. Immediately afterwards, you can imagine -- or maybe we can`t
imagine what that shock would have been like. But yes, as the days and weeks went by, according to Buzz Bissinger, this new reality sank in. She
has fully embraced it. You actually see her on the E! reality show saying, This is the new normal for me. This is the new normal.
And furthermore, we`re going to see in these episodes, I think in real special detail, what it`s like to make this transition. A lot of people,
myself included, don`t really know what it`s like to embrace this and to make these changes in a physical way, as well as, as you`re describing,
mentally and spiritually.
So I think that`s what this reality show is going to be all about this summer. It`s going to be a lot different from what we`re used to seeing on
"Keeping up With the Kardashians."
GRACE: OK, now, hold on. Brian Stelter, you said 10 hours of facial what?
STELTER: Of facial feminization surgery. It`s another way of saying reconstruction surgery.
GRACE: Facial feminization surgery. OK, Dr. Kathy Rumer, what is that, facial feminization surgery? And what does it entail? It sounds
horrible.
RUMER: So facial feminization surgery can entail a number of different things that are going to transform more masculine-looking
features into more feminizing-looking features, things like a more refined nose with a rhinoplasty, more apple-like cheeks, a more narrow jaw, a brow
that is not -- a forehead that is not as high, arched eyebrows, larger eyes, things that are typically found to be more feminine features, not an
M-shaped hairline but a more rounded hairline, a more rounded jaw, a more curvaceous jaw, and shorter, turned-up lip.
GRACE: As you`re talking, I`m looking at Jenner, and I understand as you`re saying it, Dr. Kathy Rumer, exactly what you mean now that you have
enunciated in that manner.
[20:15:08]So Brian Stelter, CNN media correspondent, senior media correspondent, right now, he still has the penis, says you.
STELTER: Well, we don`t know any differently. I`m going based on...
GRACE: So you haven`t looked!
STELTER: ... all that she`s revealed so far. But like I said, this has all been doled out one little detail at a time.
GRACE: I`ll tell you what I`m thinking about.
STELTER: What are you thinking about?
GRACE: I`m thinking about how a jury -- you`ve got to be careful when you pick this jury. You know, the defense is not going to want anybody on
this jury that`s going to judge Caitlyn Jenner because of this transformation.
STELTER: Well, aren`t there two sides to this? Because the other side would be she`s getting so much positive attention, she`s even bigger
as a star now than he ever was before. Couldn`t that influence the jury in a positive way?
GRACE: Yes. OK, everybody, we were talking about and Brian Stelter was talking about the "Vanity Fair" interview. Take a listen to that.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JENNER: The last few days in doing this shoot was about my life and who I am as a person. It`s not about the fanfare. It`s not about people
cheering in the stadium. It`s not about going down the street and everybody giving you the, "Attaboy, Bruce," pat on the back, OK?
This is about your life. Bruce always had to tell a lie. He was always living that lie every day. He always had a secret from morning
until night. Caitlyn doesn`t have any secrets. As soon as the "Vanity Fair" cover comes out, I`m free.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:20:55]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is Caitlyn Jenner, 65 years in the making.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A tragic traffic collision that involved a celebrity.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One person is dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Four-car chain reaction crash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jenner`s SUV rear-ended that white Lexus, shoving it into oncoming traffic, where it was hit by a Hummer.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Welcome back, everyone. With a potential homicide investigation, vehicular homicide investigation, and wrongful death jury
trial, the defense -- the petitioner in that case has already asked for a jury. It`s not going to be a bench trial. It`s going to be a jury trial.
How will the hoopla surrounding Bruce Jenner, Olympic decathlon winner transforming, transitioning into Caitlyn Jenner, affect that? With me,
Natalie Trombetta from -- the showbiz editor at Dailymail.com, and Brian Stelter, CNN senior media correspondent.
So Brian, another issue is the whole Kardashian thing -- and you`re seeing video right now from E!`s "Keeping up With the Kardashians" --
because they are a TV phenomenon. And I think it`s very critical to the jury selection as to how the Kardashian family, the clan, the Kardashian
group, all of them react to Bruce Caitlyn Jenner. If they mock him, if they make fun of him...
STELTER: Right.
GRACE: ... if they reject him -- I mean, how do you know who on that jury doesn`t watch "Keeping up With the Kardashians"?
STELTER: You`re absolutely right. And of course, real life -- when real life intrudes into this reality show family, sometimes they don`t
always show that on the TV show. You know, they might be soft-pedaling or avoiding this crash and all of the aftermath from it when they`re on their
show, but it has intruded into real life.
This show is incredibly popular. It`s actually created all these spinoffs for E!, and it`s turned them into a true A-list family. You`re
right, everybody knows the Kardashians. A whole lot of people like the Kardashians and like the Jenners, as well.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Peter Odom, D.C., Anvel Brown (ph), Miami. First to you, Peter Odom. You`ve got to be really careful striking
this jury because this case is going forward regardless of what happens with Jenner.
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I want to be his lawyer, Nancy, because I`ll tell you -- I think it`s unlikely he`s going to be arrested for
negligent homicide, but I want to be his lawyer if that ever happens because this is going to be a courtroom filled with big elephants that the
jury`s not supposed to think about.
It`s Bruce Jenner. He`s one of the world`s greatest athletes, first of all. He`s an Olympic athlete. He was famous before he had the show
with the Kardashians. That catapulted his fame even further. It`s one of the most popular shows ever. And now the gender reassignment. How`s this
jury going to focus on the evidence?
GRACE: Take a listen to this E! interview.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JENNER: You go through all this stuff, and you start learning kind of the pressure that women are under all the time about their appearance.
Put it this way, I`m the new normal.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s Caitlyn Jenner in the E! docu-series "I Am Cait."
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:27:57]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were four cars involved in this traffic accident.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Co-star on the reality series "Keeping up With the Kardashians."
JENNER: You start learning kind of the pressure women are under all the time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators say after the black Prius stopped or slowed down, Jenner was the third car in the crash and pushed Howy`s
(ph) white Lexus into another lane, where she was hit by a Hummer.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You just heard some of Caitlyn Jenner in E! docu-series "I Am Cait."
As a potential jury trial looms and a vehicular homicide investigation goes on, how does now Caitlyn Jenner`s full transition from man to woman
affect the potential jury pool?
Natalie Trombetta joining us, show business editor, Dailymail.com. Natalie, how will it affect a potential jury?
NATALIE TROMBETTA, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Well, let`s remember that if Jenner has her way, this won`t actually, you know, go to
trial. She -- you know, her legal team has called this a terrible tragedy, but she has asked for the case to be dismissed. So you know, she really
doesn`t want this trial to go ahead.
GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing video from "Vanity Fair."
To Dr. Kathy Rumer, board-certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon. Dr. Rumer, again, thank you for being with us. What goes into
the preparation for the facial feminization surgery for this transition to take place? And he would have to have been -- she would have had to have
been in the middle of it at the time of the crash.
RUMER: Facial feminization can involve a multitude of things, anything from as small as a simple rhinoplasty to having your full face
reconstructed. It looks as though Caitlyn went through quite a number of procedures in order to have her face reconstructed. She was already a very
good-looking man to begin with, so some of the refinement was easier than it can be in some other cases.
But as far as guidelines are concerned, there are no criteria for having facial feminization surgery done. It`s when you get into breast
augmentation and into gender reassignment surgery that there are specific criteria and guidelines that are set forth by WPATH (ph).
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Peter Odom and Andell Brown. So, Peter, if you`re defending this case at trial, be it civil or criminal, how do you
defend it in light of her new personality?
ODOM: Well, in the real world, Nancy, the whole new personality wouldn`t come into the trial. Unfortunately, this is going to take place
in Southern California. Many argue it`s not really the real world. The defense in the case is simply that he was not criminally negligent. He ran
into somebody on PCH. I used to drive that road every day. It`s a terrible road. It`s terribly busy. Accidents happen all the time. And an
accident is not a crime. This was simply an accident. That`s the defense.
GRACE: Andell.
BROWN: I think I would agree. The required amount of negligence may not be present here, because just getting into an accident doesn`t mean
you`ve committed a criminal act. That would be part of the --
GRACE: Am I wrong, guys, that whenever you rear end somebody, it`s your fault?
ODOM: Technically, that is correct. Because you always have to keep a safe distance.
GRACE: Everybody, take a listen --
BROWN: Also, under California law, you also have to look at, even if there was negligence, whether that negligence is the cause of that person`s
death. There`s several intervening causes that may have been possible here because there were four cars involved.
GRACE: That video you`re seeing from "Vanity Fair," listen to this from "Keeping up with the Kardashians."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your fish is good, Bruce.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is good, isn`t it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m really proud of us, guys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me too.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You guys -- who made the cod? Bruce, a hair. And that is your kind of hair.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I made a fish, but I think we made a different one.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bruce, maybe if you`d cut your hair, this wouldn`t have happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Awkward.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s go. Thank you so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was good.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the reasons why I enjoy living out in Malibu and being a part is because you have a tendency to be very kind of
controlling. And I just want you to know that I don`t need that in my life. I`m just fine on my own. And I kind of see what you`re doing here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What am I doing here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re worried about me, but honestly, I`m fine.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:37:00]
GRACE: Tonight, police launch a manhunt for a creepy burglar who breaks into a couple`s upscale home, stroking the woman as she lay sleeping
next to her husband, but is the perv caught on video?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A central Florida woman was shocked when she woke up in the middle of the night and discovered a stranger in her bedroom.
The woman thought at first she was having a bad dream. She and her husband were in bad, fast asleep, when she suddenly felt someone stroking her leg.
When she reached out and touched the man, she realized he was all too real.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: With me is Rory O`Neill with Iheart Radio and also joining us, the woman who wakes up in the middle of the night to find a creepy, pervy
burglar stroking her body with her husband asleep right beside her. Ma`am, thank you for being with us. Are you there, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m here.
GRACE: Now, I`m not going to refer to you by your name because I know that you don`t want that out there. What happened that night?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had gone to bed and woke up about 2:45 in the morning. With a man was next to me. I woke up thinking that maybe my
husband was touching me, so I woke up and kind of nudged him awake. Said what are you doing, then I noticed opening my eyes that a hand went across
my bed the opposite direction of my husband. And I sat up and I said do you see what I`m seeing, and my husband was still groggy, waking up. He
was asking what, so I thought I was dreaming, I reached out, I put my hand on the man`s back, and he jumped up, ran out of the room down the stairs.
And then my husband jumped out of bed, and what was that? And I was telling him it`s a man in our room. He was just here. He ran after the
guy and went and checked on our baby. Just a crazy situation.
GRACE: Your baby.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. She was in the other room. She was undisturbed.
GRACE: How do you know that? How do you know he had not been in that room first?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, just given the timeline when I heard the cops talk about how he`d gone to several different homes, different
alarms had gone off. It was just minutes before he had come to our house, and she was still sleeping, her door was still closed. Our bedroom
happened to be right next to the stairs, so I really don`t think -- she`s a pretty light sleeper. I think she would have woken up.
GRACE: I pray to God that you are right. Let me ask you this, do you guys have -- and we are certainly not giving out your address, and much
less your name, but do you guys have surveillance video within the home?
[20:40:00]
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
GRACE: Because I was thinking, you know, you would definitely know if he walked into her room.
At first, you thought you were dreaming. You also said that he jumped up. What was he, kneeling beside the bed because you reached out, you`re
still on the bed and you said you touched his back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he was crouched next to my bed on my side, and you know, I was asking my husband do you see this, do you see this, and
he wasn`t, he was still waking up, like what. So I reached out and I touched him. I mean, this guy was there for a little bit. It was long
enough for us both to wake up and realize there`s really somebody here.
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[20:45:00]
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A stranger in her bedroom. A Florida woman was sound asleep when all of a sudden, she felt someone next to the bed
touching or stroking her leg, clad only in his underwear. The intruder ran away. Police are now looking for the man.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What we know tonight is what we`ve seen on this video. Is this the guy? With me, the woman who wakes up with a burglar in her home,
stroking her as she lays beside her husband. It`s by far not the first time that someone has broken into a home and been caught on video. Let me
ask you this, ma`am. How much of an I.D. can you make of him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, he definitely looks like the guy in the video. You know, it was dark. You know, I just remember he was a lighter
skinned man with dark, short hair. And that matches the video. And it is in the same timeline, minutes before he was in my house.
GRACE: We`re showing you that video right now. Video has cracked more than one case. Let`s show the viewers other video used to crack other
criminal cases.
Here a family is attacked by people (inaudible) dressed as ninjas, take a look at the videos we`re showing you. Rory O`Neill with Iheart
radio, what`s the status of the investigation? Certainly, the guy can identified from this video. Is it true he did not have on a shirt? It
looks like a shirt to me with underwear.
RORY O`NEILL, IHEART RADIO: He was using the shirt to cover his face, Nancy, and that`s what is making it tough for the detective. Also, it
looks like he used the shirt to cover his hands when he was trying to test the door of that other home. (inaudible) neighboring home, not the home he
was able to enter.
GRACE: Oh, so I see he`s using the shirt to like try to open the door and not leave a fingerprint. Matthew Horace, law enforcement security
expert, VP, FJC Security, this guy knows what he`s doing.
HORACE: Absolutely, Nancy. And thank God for CCTV. Security cameras. But there are three facts I want to get out tonight. The first
is this individual is more than just creepy. He`s a danger. He entered a home without permission or authority. Number two, he entered the home
knowing that there were other people present. And number three, he committed a sexual assault with another person laying in the bed. This
could have ended up very differently, very quickly.
GRACE: To Caryn Stark, psychologist. You know, burglars, Caryn, I learned this pretty quickly and I don`t understand the psychology behind
it. Caryn Stark, psychologist joining me out of New York. There`s something like an adrenaline high or a rush they get. Once somebody is a
burglar, they become repeat offenders. I`ve seen it over and over and over. They can`t stop going into other people`s homes.
STARK: But this is more complicated than that, Nancy, because it`s not only that he went in the home, doesn`t look like he burglarized so much
as he really wanted to touch this woman. That tells me that he`s more of a voyeur. It`s a form of sexuality, but it`s definitely not a normal
interaction, and so, there was something he was getting off more on being able to look at her sleeping, being able to touch her, than he was on the
idea of burglaring.
GRACE: You`re completely creeping me out. Caryn Stark, the risk you would take with the husband sitting right there.
STARK: And the risk that he would take that he could be photographed, that somebody could find him, that -- so he`s really drawn. It`s a
compulsion for him to go and do this, and very scary.
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GRACE: A young woman, just 34 years old, dies, moments after getting a basement butt enlargement from an unlicensed doctor.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible) drove in with her mom and she was in the process of getting butt injections when the procedure went bad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone was doing an illegal cosmetic procedure.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They just found out what was really going on in a neighbor`s basement.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To be honest, you don`t know your neighbors until you know your neighbors.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She noticed dozens of women coming and going from the downstairs apartment. She became even more suspicious after
spotting medical equipment in the basement.
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GRACE: With us, Chris Spargo, reporter, Dailymail.com. So this home was being used for an unlicensed doctor to perform plastic surgery,
including butt lifts as they`re known?
CHRIS SPARGO, DAILYMAIL.COM: Yes, so it looks like this fraud (ph) doctor was using this basement apartment where she would have women come
and she would inject them with what allegedly was silicone, although they don`t know for sure yet, and in this instance, this woman just stopped
breathing as a result.
GRACE: Dr. Paul Nassif, star of E!`s "Botched," facial plastic and reconstructive surgeon. With us, with Dr. Bill Manion, forensic
pathologist joining us. Dr. Nassif, thank you for being with us. Were they injecting silicone directly into the woman`s behind? Don`t you have
to put it in some type of a container like an implant?
DR. PAUL NASSIF, MD: Hi, Nancy, first of all, thanks for having me. So these pump parties, we`ve had a lot of these patients on your show and
they are deformed after this --
GRACE: What? Did you say pump party?
NASSIF: They are called pump parties. Pump.
GRACE: Pump. I heard of botox parties where people get botox like they`re selling tupperware. I don`t know if you remember tupperware
parties.
NASSIF: I do.
GRACE: A pump party is what, you get a butt enhancement?
NASSIF: You have a filler, some unknown substance, usually nonmedical grade silicone, most likely what this lady had, injected by somebody.
Doesn`t have to be a medical personnel.
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And what they`ll do is they will take this non -- this basically full of bacteria type of implant, which is put into a syringe as liquid, and
they`ll put a big needle on it and inject it into the buttocks. And basically what happened with this, is most likely it went into a blood
vessel, the silicone, and then went up to the lung and caused a pulmonary embolism. Most likely.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing "Botched" from E!, and Dr. Nassif, it`s very let me just say intriguing video. To Dr. Bill Manion, what
happened to this woman who died from a basement butt injection?
MANION: Well, it`s likely, these injections are going right into the soft tissues of the buttocks, the fat and muscle tissues. And if you get
into veins, the silicone is a liquid, and it will be carried right into the veins, and those veins will drain into the pelvis, and then into the
(inaudible), which is the main blood vessel from the bottom of the body. From the (inaudible) it goes right to the heart, the right atrium and right
ventricle. And then that blood is pumped into the lungs. To the pulmonary artery. It`s similar to a person dying of a pulmonary venous
thromboembolism.
GRACE: You`re so over my head. Are you saying a blood clot?
MANION: It`s a blood clot. Patients that get clots in their legs die of pulmonary emboli. This person died of silicone emboli that got into the
veins and went to her lungs and killed her. That`s correct.
GRACE: Dr. Bill Manion is saying that it was likely injected into a vein. Dr. Paul Nassif of E!`s "Botched," of course it goes into a vein,
where else is it going to go? Into tissue? How can you avoid getting something in a vein?
NASSIF: First of all, just like they do these Brazilian butt lifts, which is injecting fat into the butt to augment it, same here with
silicone. If you inject, and this could happen, it`s happened before, it happened to excellent surgeons -- when you inject into the soft tissue,
there are also big veins in the buttock area. And sometimes this fat or in this situation, silicone, entered into the vein. It`s something that you
just have to really know your anatomy and be very careful.
GRACE: So do you agree with Dr. Manion, this is the likely cause of death, that the silicone was injected and traveled through the vena cava
and ended up acting like a blood clot?
NASSIF: Absolutely. It happens, unfortunately not routinely. It does happen routinely, unfortunately.
GRACE: What does she go through, Dr. Nassif? What was that like? Do you have a horrible headache? Does your chest hurt when you die of that
sort of death?
NASSIF: It almost feels like you`re suffocating, because all of a sudden, you get shortness of breath like you`re having a severe asthma
attack. And your chest tightens up--
GRACE: Are you saying it goes to your chest, it goes to your lung?
NASSIF: It goes right into your lungs.
GRACE: Okay. I know how that feels because I had multiple blood clots to my lungs after the twins were born. And I could not breathe. I
kept telling the doctors, I can`t breathe. I can`t get a lung full of air. And I had looked so forward to finally getting out of the hospital and
going home and just going outside and just trying to walk down the driveway and back. I couldn`t make it back up the driveway. I couldn`t breathe
enough. That`s exactly. I didn`t know this went to her lungs. You feel like you just can`t get enough air.
Dr. Nassif, Dr. Manion and Chris Spargo, thank you. I know vanity made her get the basement butt injections, but what a horrible way to die.
Let`s stop and remember, American hero, Rio Rancho police officer Gregg "Nigel" Benner, 49, killed in the line of duty. Also served the Air
Force 22 years. Air Force Commendation Medal, National Defense Medal, Air Force Achievement Medal, loved riding ATVs. Always went out of his way to
help children. Collections of stuffed animals to be donated to children in his honor.
Parents John and Glenda, two sisters, widow Julie, children, six children and seven grands. Gregg "Nigel" Benner, American hero.
Happy birthday, Pager. Isn`t she beautiful? Dr. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night,
friend.
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