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[08:00:31] KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to News Stream. Now what is next for world football? After

Sepp Blatter's shock resignation, we'll have the latest on the growing corruption scandal at FIFA.

Plus, hope dims and anger grows in China. Rescuers struggle to find survivors of a Chinese ship disaster. Hundreds are still missing.

And big changes to the U.S. mass surveillance program. What the Freedom Act means for the bulk collection of American phone records.

Claims and counterclaims in the FIFA scandal this hour. South Africa is strongly denying allegations that it bribed officials to secure the 2010

World Cup bid. And separately INTERPOL has issued wanted alerts for two former FIFA officials and four corporate executives.

It is just the latest salvo in the ongoing bribery and corruption scandal that has shaken world football to its core.

On Tuesday, FIFA President Sepp Blatter stunned the sports world announcing his resignation and acknowledging the need for reform.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEPP BLATTER, PRESIDENT OF FIFA (through translator): FIFA needs a profound overhaul. While I have a mandate from the membership of FIFA, I

do not feel I have a mandate for the entire world of football -- the fans, the players, the clubs, the people who live, breath and love football as

much as we all do at FIFA.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Mr. Blatter may be wielding his post, but his resignation won't immediately take effect. FIFA will first have to organize a new

election to vote in his successor, a process that won't be allowed to start for at least four months.

But keep in mind, this is still quite the about face for football's most powerful man. It was just a few days back that Mr. Blatter said,

quote, why would I step down? That would mean I am guilty of what is happening.

Now the big question now, what's next for FIFA?

Now for more on this, CNN World Sport anchor Amanda Davies joins me now live from Zurich Switzerland. And Amanda, for FIFA what comes next?

AMANDA DAVIES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kristie, we're coming to the end of Sepp Blatter's tenure, but very much the beginning of what

you will think will be a very long journey in terms of reform and restoration of its image and people's confidence in it as a world football

governing body.

We know that the FBI have said that they are investigating, continuing to investigate Sepp Blatter himself. There's been no allegations or

charges leveled as things stand, but that certainly is one to watch.

And what happens to those closest to Sepp Blatter is also something that very much at the moment is unanswered. There is a widespread school

of thought that it was when the allegations engulfed his general secretary, Sepp Blatter's number two yesterday, Jerome Valcke, the allegations around

his role of the payment of that $10 million bribe from South Africa to CONCACAF around the 2010 World Cup bid. There's a school of thought that

that is really what made Sepp Blatter sit up and take notice.

But it has to be said that his daughter Corrine has actually issued a statement strongly refuting that. She says his decision has nothing,

absolutely nothing at all, to do with the accusations that are currently circulating.

But, it's a very interesting time for FIFA, Kristie, because the FBI and the Swiss authorities here are both continuing with their

investigations down the two different -- different channels. And there really is an unknown, in large parts, about what else is to come.

So, in terms of the higher levels of FIFA officials, there is now this serious issue of who do we align ourselves with? Who do we collude with

next in terms of taking FIFA forward? Nobody quite sure who they can trust and who will be under the spotlight of those investigations next.

LU STOUT: Yeah, FIFA is facing down multiple probes. Does the end of Sepp Blatter as president mean a new start for FIFA? Is there a sense of

optimism?

[08:05:06] DAVIES: I think there is. There's a widespread relief, really, across the board. There's been sponsors speaking out, the likes of

McDonalds, the likes of Coca-Cola, some of football's top officials who have been calling for reform, the likes of Sunil Gulati, the head of U.S.

Soccer, Michel Platini, the head of European football, he described it as a brave decision for Sepp Blatter to step down. He, of course, one of those

who went to Sepp Blatter last week before the election and asked him face- to-face do not stand again, please walk away.

So there is a lot of relief.

There are the parties around the world, though, the areas of the world that Sepp Blatter has developed in his time, he's invested in African

football, in Asian football. They've expressed their disappointment. And there's a little bit of a sense that maybe he's been bullied out of office.

But the feeling is that FIFA cannot be taken seriously with Sepp Blatter or those who have been implicated in Sepp Blatter's reign at the

helm. There needs to be widespread reform across FIFA. Where that begins is the question. And that is a role that Domenico Scala who is the head of

the audit and compliance commission. He's going to start looking at that.

As is Sepp Blatter. He went to his desk, to his office this morning. He held a staff meeting, addressed the FIFA staff at FIFA house behind us

and said that he wants to use his next few months as the start of that reform process.

But there are so many questions that still remain, not just about the structure of FIFA here, but what about the 2018 and 2022 World Cups? The

Kremlin have issued a statement saying that as far as they're concerned it's preparations as before. They are cracking on full steam ahead to get

things ready for the next World Cup in Russia.

Qatar have come under more criticism, the likes of Greg Dyke, the head of the FA in England, has said that the process around their awarding of

the election needs to come under scrutiny again. But Qatar have very strongly hit back at that.

The problem now is once this is in the judicial realm and federal investigations are involved, football don't really have a say anymore.

LU STOUT: Yeah, this is a very, very critical juncture for FIFA. Amanda Davies reporting live from Zurich for us. Thank you very much

indeed for that.

Now the scandal rocking FIFA has put future World Cup votes in question and past ones under increased scrutiny.

Now take a listen to what South Africa's sports minister had to say a short time ago about bribery allegations against his country.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FIKILE MBALULA, SOUTH AFRICA SPORTS MINISTER: The fact that a payment of $10 million was made to an approved program above port does not equate

to bribery. Those who allege should prove their allegations. We refuse to be caught up in a battle of the United States' authorities and FIFA. We

have never been spokespersons for FIFA and do not intend to speak on behalf of FIFA.

FIFA has to speak for itself and deal with matters on its own accord. Our purpose and intent is to ensure that we'll respond to the allegations

leveled against our country, government and its citizens.

We therefore wish to categorically deny that our country and government have bribed anyone to secure the rights for the 2010 FIFA World

Cup.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: The South African sports minister there.

Now it is too early to know who might stand in the race to lead FIFA, though there's been speculation that some of these men might run. And

among them, the current UEFA president Michel Platini. Now Platini actually backed Jordan's Prince Ali in the recent election last week.

Another possible name, Jerome Champagne, a former FIFA executive.

Let's get more now on those potential contenders for the top job. And CNN's Patrick Snell of CNN World Sport is with us now from CNN Center.

And Patrick, looking at Champagne and Platini as two potential successors, what is their track record? How clean are their hands?

PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kristie.

Yeah, intriguing all the speculation mounting furiously.

Now as to who will succeed Sepp Blatter when he does eventually step down, let's focus in on the French connection, as it were, those two French

candidates at least who I think are liked to turn out to be candidates.

I want to start with Jerome Champagne just a little bit. He kind of hit the headlines earlier this year and into late last year when he

declared his candidacy. But he was going to stand, but then he withdrew from the race this time around when Blatter went on to get that fifth

unprecedented term. He withdrew in February of this year basically due to the fact that he didn't have enough support.

But he is credited, does have good pedigree. This is a Frenchman in his mid-50s, is credited in the past, Kristie, with having helped both

Blatter and UEFA President Michel Platini with winning elections. And as part of his mandate, if you like, to the 2009 FIFA member associations, he

did unveil this 21st Century of FIFA as well.

But keeping up the French flare, if you like, Michel Platini, the current UEFA president a very popular incumbent for many, but I do question

this, does he have the necessary global support? He's been top dog at UEFA for eight years now, a former distinguished former player, former world

player of the year, in fact. He won the European championship with his native France, that was in 1984. He's won the European cup with Juventus

as well in the mid-80s the tragedy of course of the Heysel disaster in Belgium as well.

So, two possible French candidates there, but there are others in the hat as well, Kristie.

[08:11:08] LU STOUT: All right, Patrick Snell reporting for us. Thank you very much indeed for that.

Now we have complete coverage of FIFA under fire. And among other things, you can find a timeline of corruption allegations and

investigations since 2010. You can find it all at CNN.com.

Now with every passing minute, the search for shipwrecked survivors in China grows more and more desperate. Thousands of rescuers are scouring

the Yangtze River for any sign of life. Chinese media reported at least 14 people have been saved and 25 are confirmed dead. But more than 450 people

were on board, most of them elderly tourists. Hundreds are feared to be trapped inside the ship.

Now the Chinese cruise ship called the Eastern Star encountered a violent storm before it capsized with reports of a tornado nearby.

Now it happened while the ship was on an 11 day journey along the Yangtze River. The cruise started in the city of Nanjing and was slowly

making its way inland to the city of Chongqing. Rough weather caused it to overturn mid-journey in Jantli County of Hubei Province.

Now meanwhile, further east, angry relatives -- furious family members of cruise ship victims, they lashed out in Shanghai yelling and protesting

a lack of answers. Reuters reports all the passengers had booked their trips through a Shanghai-based travel agency.

Now let's head straight to the scene of the rescue operation in China's Jantli County. David McKenzie is there. He joins me now live.

And David, two days on, hundreds of people still missing, what is the latest on the search?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the latest is a frantic search still goes on here nearly 48 hours after the ship capsized

in dramatic fashion and turned effectively upside down on the surface of the mighty Yangtze River.

Officials saying now they have around 500 tons of salvaged ships in the area. They're pulling wires around the bottom or in fact the top of

that ship to try and right it, because it's at a bit of an angle. And they're cutting into the hole, they say, to try and reach anyone who might

be still in air pockets.

But the prognosis now, frankly, is not great. Several hundred still missing, Kristie, tonight. And there's only been a handful of survivors

who have come out, including the captain and the chief engineer. And now they're trying to figure out what just happened, clearly was some kind of

weather event, whether it could have been avoided, it's unclear, but certainly the Chinese authorities are bringing everybody they can with

specialties that they have to get inside that ship and see if anybody is still alive -- Kristie.

LU STOUT: And, David, the families of the passengers on board, how much support, how much information are they getting about the search?

MCKENZIE: Well, the information is lacking partly because the authorities just don't know what to tell the families. They've been giving

them the information they can give, which is what I just shared with you. And they're bringing family members from across the region by bus here to

the scene of where the accident happened.

And so the families are coming in -- I spoke to one man, Mr. Fu, he said his mother and his father, both elderly passengers who were on

vacation was on board. He was hoping maybe there's some chance they are still alive, but he wants some kind of closure at this point.

We expect those families to arrive in the coming hours, and certainly there has also been anger. Take a listen to one family member.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAI BIN, FATHER AND UNVLE IN SHIPWRECK (through translator): I reckon I've already got on the blacklist, but I don't care because I don't have

any family left. What's the point of living if you don't have family? If you don't ever see me again, please accept my apologies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[08:15:07] MCKENZIE: Well, certainly authorities have said they regret anything that happened. The Premier Li Keqiang had this very

poignant scene bowing in front of the deceased at the rescue scene earlier today. And certainly they're trying to do what they can, but this is

shaping up to be one of the worst disasters here in China of its kind in many, many years, Kristie.

LU STOUT: David McKenzie reporting for us live from Jiantli County. Many thanks indeed for that update.

You're watching News Stream. Still to come on the program, there is no end in sight for the MERS outbreak in South Korea. We look at how the

country is grappling with this deadly virus.

And big changes to U.S. government surveillance program as the Freedom Act is signed into law. I'll tell you what it means for Americans' phone

records when we come back.

Plus, a story of hope in the ruins of Gaza. A group of teens tries to leap and tumble its way to fame. We'll explain.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LU STOUT: Welcome back.

You're watching News Stream. And you're looking at a visual version of all the stories we are covering today.

We've already told you about the race to replace Sepp Blatter after the FIFA president suddenly stepped down. And later, we'll show you the

difficulties divers are facing in the Yangtze River as they search for survivors of that cruise ship disaster.

But now, after weeks of political wrangling, the USA Freedom Act is now law. U.S. President Barack Obama signed the measure late on Tuesday

night. It replaces most of the provisions that expired in the Patriot Act imposing new on the NSA phone surveillance program.

Now CNN's chief U.S. congressional correspondent Dana Bash joins me now live from Washington. And Dana, this has been called a landmark piece

of legislation. Can you tell us why? And walk us through the USA Freedom Act.

DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Good morning, Kristie from here in Washington.

The reason it's been called a landmark piece of legislation is because this is really the first time since the Patriot Act was passed post-9/11

that was intended to give law enforcement a whole new set of tools to go after suspected terrorists, this is the first time that it has been

reformed in large part because of what Edward Snowden did by getting a lot of the information in the way that this process works out into the open.

So let me just go through some of the major changes. First of all, after this takes place and gets into effect in about six months, companies,

not the government, but companies, telecommunication companies, are going to be the ones to hold on to the data collected in this program. And for

the government to access that data, they're going to need a warrant to do so. And the court here in the U.S. that overseas that, the so-called FISA

court, which is very secretive, is sort of deals with classified information, nobody gets to see much of it, it is going to be a lot more

transparent now.

So those are the major changes. And you have, as with any bipartisan compromise. And this really was bipartisan. The White House,

conservatives, liberals, many of them agreed with it, but with any compromise you have those on either side who disagree.

One was the senate majority leader, the top Republican in the Senate. He said that these changes went too far and it will weaken this program to

the point that it will make Americans less safe. And then you have his junior senator from Kentucky, Rand Paul, who of course has been making

headlines filibustering this particular bill, because he doesn't think any of these programs should continue. He wants to do away with all of them,

because he insists that it infringes on civil liberties.

But at the end of the day, this is what passed by a very big bipartisan vote and went to the president for a signature. It's now the

law of the land.

[08:20:30] LU STOUT: And there we have it, a new U.S. law that reigns in telephone surveillance. Dana Bash reporting live for us from

Washington. Thank you, Dana.

Now the groundbreaking reform comes just two years after a former contractor with the National Security Agency, leaker Edward Snowden, his

revelations came out. Now Edward Snowden calls the change progress saying, quote, "facts have become more persuasive than feeling. The public made

the final decision, a radical change."

He also accuses the British government of sneaking surveillance laws past the public.

Now in the midst of Gaza's war torn landscape, these teenagers find freedom in their jumps, in their runs and in their backflips. How parkour

may be their way to a better life. We'll explain and tell you more after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:24:58] LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, you're back watching News Stream.

Now South Korea is stepping up its response to an outbreak of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS. Authorities say that they have

quarantined more than 1,300 people and shut some 200 schools.

The World Health Organization warns that there could be new cases. 30 people have been diagnosed with the virus, that's up from 25 reported on

Tuesday.

And staying in South Korea, a defense ministry spokesman tells CNN that the country has test launched a missile that can reach most of North

Korea.

The ministry says it began developing the missile in late 2012 when the U.S. and South Korea agreed to extend the range of Seoul's missiles.

Now the maximum range of this new missile has not been revealed.

Now for the past nine months, people in Gaza have lived in the ruins left by the fighting between Hamas and Israel. Concrete debris now litters

the ground where buildings once stood. But some have learned to make the most of it by turning these dangerous ruins into a playground. Nic

Robertson reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: No room for error, Gaza's parkour team in training. These war ruins are sure to punish a

slip.

Well, isn't this dangerous?

ABDULLAH ALKASIB, GAZA PARKOUR: Yes, yes. Yes, it's dangerous. At the same time I think it's very interesting. We love it. And we want to

play it and we want to do it.

ROBERTSON: Abdullah, 19 years old, university student, son of a doctor.

What do your parents say to you then?

ALKASIB: About Parkour?

ROBERTSON: Yeah.

ALKASIB: Yes -- what are you doing?

ROBERTSON: 10 years of parkour. Nothing stopped him and the others yet.

Do you like danger, because you grew up in Gaza or what?

ALKASIB: Yes. I think when you grow up in Gaza, a difficult situation, I love dangers and I love to be free.

ROBERTSON: Why not just play football? Be normal.

ALKASIB: No. I love danger

(LAUGHTER)

ROBERTSON: It's a death defying sport demanding courage and strength in equal measure.

ALKASIB: You know, I think when I do it I feel free. I feel like birds flying in the air or flying in the sky, because when a freedom like

(inaudible).

ROBERTSON: Says he speaks for the whole 12-man team.

ALKASIB: We don't care about fighting. We don't care about politic. Just to care about parkour.

ROBERTSON: All this began, they say, when Israeli troops pulled out of Gaza in 2005. Since then, they've been running, jumping, tumbling,

somersaulting ever since.

Now, the pressure is on, training notched up. Popular Middle East program Arabs Got Talent has spotted them. They're shooting an entry.

If they get this right, tens of millions of Arabs across the region could get to see them potentially opening doors they could otherwise only

dream of.

And the dreams of Abdullah and the others is simple: break the boundaries confining their lives.

ALKASIM: We are here, we are in Gaza, our dream and the whole to get out, see the world.

ROBERTSON: See the world.

A dream that for the first time could be within reach as long, that is, there are no slips.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Gaza.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: A stunning report.

You're watching News Stream. And still to come, putting themselves at risk in order to save others. We look at China's rescue divers as a search

continues for survivors on the Yangtze River.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:31:15] LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream. And these are your world headlines.

INTERPOL has issued wanted alerts for two former FIFA officials and four corporate executives while separately FIFA President Sepp Blatter has

announced that he is resigning. He has led the organization for 17 years and won reelection just four days ago. Blatter himself is facing an FBI

investigation in the U.S., though he has not been charged.

South Africa is denying allegations that it bribed FIFA to secure the 2010 World Cup. Now the country's sports minister says the $10 million

given to FIFA was for a diaspora legacy program.

Rescuers in Eastern China are frantically working to find survivors of a capsized cruise ship in the Yangtze River. Chinese media report at least

14 people have been saved and 25 are confirmed dead. More than 450 people were on board when the ship sank on Monday night, and most are still

missing.

Now among the dozens of divers searching for survivors in China's Yangtze River, one is being called a hero for giving his oxygen tank to a

cold and shocked man as he pulled him from the water.

Now CNN's Brian Todd looks at the challenges and risks the rescue divers are up against.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A desperate search for any signs of life inside the Eastern Star. Divers battled the swirling currents of

China's Yangtze River. This diver found someone alive.

GWAN DONG, RESCUE DIVER (through translator): I swan back and forth three times. And by the third time, I felt somebody was there above me.

As soon as I got out of the water, I noticed the trapped victim. It was pitch dark with just him inside the cabin and nobody else.

TODD: The hull of the capsized passenger ship is exposed. Rescuers tapped on the hull with hammers. And a local newspaper reports they heard

responses from inside.

But veteran divers say these teams have a difficult and very dangerous task.

CAPT. GREGG BAUMANN, DIRECTOR OF DIVING, U.S. NAVY: Just trying to get into the vessel is going to be difficult and let alone trying to

explore the ship. And for divers who have probably never been in the ship before, going into the ship for the first time when they can't see, you're

going by hand over hand.

TODD: Captain Gregg Baumann is director of diving for the U.S. Navy. He says the divers in this operation have almost no visibility given the

sediment and pollution of the Yangtze. Another danger here, where a ferry might have bigger, more open spaces, this is a passenger ship with small

cabins.

BAUMANN: There's just a lot of those spaces that you have to go inspect and trying to inspect an entire space takes time.

TODD: In those tight spaces, with little visibility, the disorientation of darkness and everything being upside down.

Much more likely for a diver to get caught on something or maybe trapped in there, right?

BAUMANN: Absolutely. And a diver -- as much as the harness and umbilical is there to save the diver and provide diver an unlimited amount

of air, it is easy to get entangled on things.

TODD: Other options are limited. Could holes be drilled into the hull to try to get oxygen or lifelines to potential survivors? One expert

says that's a dangerous proposition.

TIM TAYLOR, MARINE OPERATIONS EXPERT: All it will do is vent the air off and the water will rush in and the people will die. So if there's air

pockets are in there, you want to maintain those air pockets.

TODD: But pumping air in through hoses, Tim Taylor says, could work.

TAYLOR: It'll get air into pockets where people could potentially survive, and it will give lift to the ship. So, it helps bring it up out

of the water a little bit.

TODD: Experts say another factor working against those rescue teams, the majority of passengers aboard that ship are between 50 and 80 years

old. At those ages, prolonged exposure to the elements reduces the changes for survival.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: And now the latest on the American tourist killed in a lion attack while on safari in South Africa. Now Lion Park officials say 22

year old Katherine Chappell had her window down to take pictures when the lion lunged at the car.

It is not the first time a tourist has been attacked at this particular wildlife center. In fact, two years ago a lion attacked Bret

Tucker's family at the same park. He spoke with CNN's Anderson Cooper.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[08:35:21] BRET TUCKER, FAMILY ATTACKED AT WILDLIFE CENTER: When we went back to the lion park, we actually went -- whether we went through the

camp again, I was like -- I was blown away with five other tourists' vehicles driving around with their windows wide open. And I thought, my

first reaction was, this is only a matter of time until something happens and...

(CROSSTALK)

ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, A.C. 360: So while you're taking responsibility for the incident where you had your window partially down,

you're saying you hope -- you believe the park could do more to let other people know that they shouldn't have their windows down, whether it's --

should it be more signage, should they be talking directly to people?

TUCKER: I don't think -- my letter to them was quite simple. I said, guys, with all respect, you cannot allow self-drive in a park when the

lions are as agitated or whatever they are as they are. You can't put the consumer at risk when you know there's a potential for that to happen. And

yes, it is well posted. And yes, they do give you information before you go in about closing your window. But like for me, it's -- the risk is too

high. When you've got vehicles readily available -- and they've got a couple there -- why not say, guys, no self-drive. You have to get in a

vehicle with us and we'll do the trip for you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Well, the lion park released a statement reminding visitors that lions are dangerous predators and the rules are in place for their

safety.

Now still to come right here on News Stream, a search engine that doesn't track your searches. And carrying your own wi-fi hotspot. We'll

get an expert's tips on how to keep your data safe.

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LU STOUT: Now earlier, we told you about the USA Freedom Act, an overhaul of the way the U.S. surveillance program works. It's one of the

reasons we've chosen this week to focus on cyber security and how you can keep your data safe.

Now one woman wanted to see just how much data she was giving away without ever knowing about it. Now Julia Angwin published her findings in

the book Dragnet Nation. A little bit earlier I spoke to her. And I began by asking about all the ways she was tracked online.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JULIA ANGWIN, AUTHOR: I had every search I had ever conducted on Google was stored dating back six years. I was able to see like minute by

minute what I had been searching for. I was able to see every border crossing that I had ever done in international travel going back to when I

was a teenager. And I saw every phone number, address that I'd ever lived at, even including ones where I was just for a few weeks were all stored in

these data broker's databases.

LU STOUT: Smartphones, a critical piece of our personal technology. How do you go about encrypting your own smartphone calls?

ANGWIN: So, smartphones are really hard to keep private, because they are always sending out data, right, just in order to communicate with the

world, which is their job, they're talking to the cell phone tower, they're sending out wi-fi signals, sending out Bluetooth and so it's actually

really hard to secure the data on your phone.

I do use some apps to send encrypted text messages and phone calls to people who have the same app, but there aren't that many people still using

these apps.

But one thing that's good news is that WhatsApp, which is a really well known texting app is starting to use encryption I think later this

year. And so that will be a more widely used encryption program.

I use one called Signal, which is really popular and free, but hasn't got the reach that most people haven't heard of it.

[08:40:23] LU STOUT: You know, it's admirable, but it seems so inconvenient and difficult to take all these extra measures to protect our

online security and privacy. At the end of the day, is it worth it?

ANGWIN: Yeah, I mean, I did this experiment to see whether it was worth it, and whether I could achieve any sort of privacy doing all these

kind of really extreme measures. And what I felt like was, you know, there are some things that I think are easy to do. Like using Duck Duck Go

instead of Google was super easy and actually I think protected my privacy quite a bit.

But some things like my phone where I'm using an encrypted app and then I sometimes put it inside of a little metal bag to block the signals,

that is really impractical. And it made me think that we need maybe a better solution than just everyone trying to protect their own privacy,

that we maybe need more of a national understanding about what are the limits of data sharing? Should we have some law saying it's OK to collect

data up until this point, but then you can't use it for these purposes.

Right now we're just in a wild west scenario where we don't have social norms or sort of government rules about what could be done with our

data. And so it makes it a really scary time to be sharing your data willy-nilly. And I guess I came away thinking we needed more rules to

regulate the use of all this data that's flowing around all the time these days.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: So, how do you keep your data private online? Well, Julia Angwin shared some of her suggestions with us. Now she uses Duck Duck Go

for searches instead of Google. The site says it does not track users or collect personal information, and it's not limited to the web. The latest

version of Apple's iOS will let you select it as the default search provider on your iPhone.

Angwin suggests paying for an email service focused on privacy. She says that free email services tend to be supported by ads. And sites like

Gmail scan your emails to provide more targeted ads.

Now she never uses free wi-fi or hotel wi-fi. She says they are not secure and could in fact be keeping your data. Instead, Angwin carries a

portable wi-fi hotspot.

Now tomorrow, we will continue our special focus on cyber security. We'll look at the next step in securing your data with encryption.

And that is News Stream. I'm Kristie Lu Stout. But don't go anywhere. World Sport with Alex Thomas is up ahead with much more on the

crisis at FIFA.

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