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Viagra for Women Now Released; Could There Be a Serial Sniper on the Loose in Northern Colorado?; Rick Perry Running for President Again in 2016. Aired 3:30-4:00p ET.

Aired June 04, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Too bad your lady doesn't have any, even though more women from men suffer from sexual dysfunction, there isn't one available medication on the market.

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: And that was drug maker Sprout Pharmaceuticals rolling out sort of supporting this gender bias argument.

I guess ultimately my question being, if this is something that a woman is taking, let's say some 30, 40-something runs out to take it, down the road, well, maybe libido would change, would be this something that you would continue to take?

DR. ELIZABETH KAVALER, UROLOGIST, LENOK HILL HOSPITAL: You're supposed to take it on a daily basis. So it is a daily pills. It's for pre-menopausal women. This is not for women we commonly consider having sexual issues. This is for premenopausal women. And it does, from that ad, Viagra does not make men randy. Viagra gives men erections. It is a mechanical thing. It doesn't make them interested. It doesn't increase their libido.

BALDWIN: Here you go.

JUDY KURIANSKY, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST/CERTIFIED SEX THERAPIST: But you know what, you know this as a sex therapist. If a guy has an erection, he feels, I'm powerful, I'm turned on. It's a cycle. Yes. And then it goes to his head, literally and figuratively from there to there. And so, women is far more complicated.

KAVALER: Well, as a urologist, I can tell you with Viagra, without interest, without stimulation, Viagra does not work. A man can't take Viagra and watch a football game and expect to get an erection. There has to be some element of libido there in order for him to have a good result with Viagra.

KURIANSKY: Which is why feeling good about yourself and couple counseling so that you communicate about what pleases you, what turns you on, what you want in bed is really, really critical.

BALDWIN: And on that, doctors, thank you so much. It's an important conversation. And I really appreciate you having it with me on CNN.

Coming up next here, we're going to take you totally different -- switching gears to Colorado. The possibility of this serial shooter here less than a week after police link these two other mysterious shootings on a highway all within 15 miles of one another. Could there be a connection? We'll talk to police there.

Also, a family goes to a graduation ceremony, and they get slapped with arrest warrants. Listen to this. The accusation, they cheered too loudly for their student. That story straight ahead.

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[15:36:37] BALDWIN: Could there be a serial sniper on the loose in northern Colorado? A special police task force is trying to answer that very question after now three shootings in the last 90 days, two of them deadly. The latest happening overnight in the town of Loveland. A 65-year-old man was found dead on the sidewalk. This follows two other random shootings in nearby Windsor and Larimer counties. Police say those cases are related. One victim died, the other survived after being shot in the neck.

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CORI ROMERO, SHOOTING VICTIM: I have to try my hardest every day not to let it affect me and, like, hinder me from doing everyday things. What I didn't want from this situation was somebody else to be hurt, and that's exactly what happened.

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BALDWIN: Also under investigation, dozens of car windows that police say have been mysteriously broken.

Joining me from Centennial, Colorado, is our correspondent Ana Cabrera.

And Ana, tell me, let's just begin with last night's shooting. What are police sharing?

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is really a mystery at this point. We don't have a lot of information. What we do know is a passerby found this 65-year-old victim lying on the sidewalk, bleeding, around 11:00 last night and called police. And when emergency crews responded, they discovered this man had been shot. There were some efforts to try to resuscitate him, but those were unsuccessful.

So now investigators in Loveland, which by the way, is about an hour north of Colorado, they've reached out to a broader task force that's investigating these other shootings, the ones you mentioned involving Cori Romero who was shot in the neck back at the end of April as well as John Jacoby who was shot and killed while he was riding his bike to work in Windsor, Colorado.

And again, all these shootings in the same region, which is what makes it so suspicious to see this latest shooting pop up last night. And that the cause of the death is still very much unknown - Brooke.

BALDWIN: So any leads?

CABRERA: At this point, we'll wait and see. We're waiting to hear from investigators at a press conference in just a few hours where we hope to gather more information. I have been in touch with a public information officer up there in Loveland who tells me that when he spoke with the police chief this morning, the police chief basically said that there was nothing specifically linking this latest shooting to those other two shootings that were linked. But he also said that they aren't ruling anything out at this point because there's nothing necessarily that says it's not linked to the other shootings. So at this point, investigators are working together and they're keeping their cards very close to the vest and that we'll hope to learn more information later today.

BALDWIN: All right. Ana Cabrera, thank you so much.

The Republican primary just got a little more crowded. Just a couple hours ago, Rick Perry joined the club, becoming the tenth official Republican candidate for president.

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RICK PERRY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have the power to make things new again, to project America's strength again, and to get our economy going again. And that is exactly why today I am running for the presidency of the United States of America.

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BALDWIN: Rick Perry today pulling no punches inside a very toasty hangar in Texas. Let's talk about the expanding field with Bill Kristol, editor of "the Weekly Standard."

Bill Kristol, awesome having you on. Welcome.

BILL KRISTOL, EDITOR, THE WEEKLY STANDARD: Hi, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Rick Perry now officially in this, under indictment, mind all of our viewers. But in 2011, he was a pretty hot prospect. He was leading in the polls, even before jumping in the race. Do we think he's been prepping for this moment, for this day, you know, for the past three years?

[15:40:11] KRISTOL: Yes, I think especially for the last year since he finished his term as governor of Texas. I mean, (INAUDIBLE), if you looked at the Republican field, you saw a guy who was governor of Texas for, what, 14 years. Texas had a fantastic economic record under Perry, good education record, good record in other areas, including some criminal justice reforms that many liberals would like. He reduced the jail population in Texas while the crime rate didn't go up.

Pretty impressive tenure as governor. And yet, he has also run in this field because he had a rough time in 2012. But I'm not sure he couldn't overcome it. You know, you have debates. You have a ton of stuff. An awful lot will happen over the next six, eight months. Perry, I would say, is one of the guys who's right now in the second or even third tier who could move into the first tier.

BALDWIN: OK. It's interesting you talk about coming down from Mars. I'm going to use that in a second. But let's pivot to Jeb Bush because today the big announcement of the forthcoming announcement. But really, I wanted to ask you about how over the course of the last two months, he's really been, you know, not actually being a candidate. He has been using the time to raise money for his super PACs. What do you make of that move?

KRISTOL: Well, they're all doing that. That's the new rules of campaign finance or the new non-rules of campaign finance.

BALDWIN: And he's really doing that.

KRISTOL: Well, he's doing it because the Bushes are good at racing money and he's got a lot of supporters who want to give him money. The big story of the race so far, if you step back, if we were having this discussion in January or December. The question would have been, can Jeb Bush become the front runner? Can Jeb Bush not only raise a lot of money, but can he get ahead in the polls? Can intimidate others from getting in the race. And the answer is no.

It doesn't mean Jeb Bush couldn't be the nominee. He's an impressive guy. He may run a very good campaign, but right now Jeb Bush is tied basically with a bunch of other candidates. He hasn't intimidated anyone. Marco Rubio, the junior senator from his own state, got in the race. Among like Rick Perry is getting in.

And I think it'll be very competitive. Jeb Bush is going to have to win this nomination, he have to earn it. He's certainly not going to be given it. That's actually healthy for the Republican party to have competition among serious governors, senators, ex-senators, ex- governors, et cetera.

BALDWIN: Well, we talked obviously a lot about some messing up of answering some of the questions as it pertained to the Iraq war with Jeb Bush. And we're not going to totally go there, but when you, you know, look at some of the polling, especially with his brother, George W. Bush, you know, his numbers are up. But then you look at the numbers, specifically our poll, Bush family connections make you pull the pull-up guy as you now see. The biggest chunk here, less likely to vote for him, 56 percent. Listen, he can't change his last name, Bill. So what does he do, especially when he's official?

KRISTOL: One of Jeb's closest advisers told me a few months ago, we're going to begin this race as another Bush. That's inevitable. We have to become by, you know, late 2015 Jeb. And with his own persona, his own agenda. I think a lot of this race will be policy heavy. I talked to a lot of Republican primary about this. They tend to read this magazine I have at the "Weekly Standard." They come to meetings we have in (INAUDIBLE). They want to hear what these people are going to do about America, about America's standing in the world. I think people aren't tending to vote for these candidates because of their name or against them because of their name, honestly.

So Jeb Bush has every chance to overcome whatever deficiencies being another Bush may cause him. But he's going to have to overcome them. He certainly can't coast in as, gee, it's another Bush's turn.

BALDWIN: And Allen, keep this picture on the screen. I mean, you have all of these want-to-be presidents on the screen. It is about to get, you know, even more names and faces on the screen. You talk to, you know, some Republican analysts, they are basically spin it as a great thing. But, are you worried that this could play out as, you know, some of these candidates infighting, not positive?

KRISTOL: Well, it could, but you know what, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ran a very tough and long race in 2008. And the last I looked, Obama won the presidency that year and won re-election. Republicans have tended to have more the coronation of the front runner. It hasn't worked so well a lot of times.

You could go too far in either direction. But all things being equal, I prefer to have an awful lot of candidates. And I'd like to see them compete. Let's see who has the best, most intelligent answers on foreign policy, on defense policy, on what to do to replace Obamacare, and so forth. And that's why we have campaigns.

And for Republicans especially, the ones I've talked to, they're enthusiastic. This is sort of exciting. Normally there's a front runner. People have their doubts about him. Couple of insurgents challenge in the front runner beats in fact, the establishment wins. It doesn't feel that way this year. People really, I think, are looking forward to learning more about Walker and Rubio and Bush himself and Perry and Jindal and everyone else.

BALDWIN: So if you are -- back to your -- if you're copping down from mars and you're looking at this field, let's go ahead and throw Jeb Bush in there because we know about the announcement. Who excites you the most?

KRISTOL: I think Marco Rubio right now, but it could change.

BALDWIN: Why?

[15:44:55] KRISTOL: He does well in the polls. He's a genuinely charismatic figure. He so reverses the normal older, you know, white male Republican against younger exciting Democrat, whether it's Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. Suddenly it's the Democrats who have the next in line, the person who lost last time, the establishment figure, the person who's been around the long time. Respected but not really loved, I would say, against a young, exciting new Republican face. That could be a lot of different people. And sometimes an older face like a Perry or Bush could also win.

But I think right now I think Rubio and to some degree Walker have a slight edge. But it is genuinely wide open. And if you're a Republican who's labored through years of, as I say, sort of grudgingly accepting the establishment front runner, it's exciting to have all these candidates. BALDWIN: Bill Kristol, thank you so much, editor of "the Weekly

Standard." Come back. Thank you.

KRISTOL: Will do. Thanks, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Next, four people are facing charges for, wait for it, cheering at a graduation ceremony. Yes, they were told, hold your applause, but they say they were just expressing their joy over their student graduating. So would these charges actually hold up? We'll explore that next.

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[15:50:29] BALDWIN: Graduation. Listen, it's a time of celebration. It's a time of excitement, hearing families shout cheers of congratulations when their loved ones are walking across the stage it can be tradition. But one Mississippi family is accused of going overboard and now could end up in -- jail?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did it, baby!

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BALDWIN: The relatives who made those cheers at a high school congratulation received arrest warrants for disturbing the peace.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's crazy. To think I might have to bail out of jail or pay court costs, or a $500 fine, it's ridiculous, man.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, I can understand they can escort me out of the congratulation, but to say they going to put me in jail for it? What else can -- what else did they allowed to do?

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BALDWIN: The school superintendent told our affiliate WREG that he does not see anything wrong at the punishment. It is a graduation in his district are quote "conducted in a manner he is not happy with."

So let's marinade on this with Richard Friedman, employment business and trial attorney and Joey Jackson, HLN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney.

So Gentlemen, listen, I was recently at a high school congratulation a couple weeks ago. And I'm still here. I may not have been the one hooting and hollering. I had to be on the stage.

RICHARD FRIEDMAN, EMPLOYMENT BUSINESS TRIAL ATTORNEY: The have two weeks here. So may still get a warrant.

BALDWIN: But I mean, come on. Jail time for this?

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Outrageous.

BALDWIN: Yes.

JACKSON: Look, the reality is this. There are certain laws that are created. And when you talk about the first amendment, Brooke, there's reasons you want people to be quiet. But those reasons generally stem upon your individual rights versus someone else. Right? And being detrimental to someone else.

So sports, for example. We have an ordinance that says, and we know that you can't yell "fire!" in a theater, because other people could be impacted by that. You can pose a danger. You can't yell "bomb!" But when you have something like this where someone is saying, hey, congratulations! And all of a sudden, you know, not literally but figuratively carted off to jail, it's problematic, I don't think it's constitutional. I don't think it will stand.

FRIEDMAN: Brooke, I disagree. The statute is totally constitutional. But it's been totally misapplied here. The sort of list of conduct statutes are have been in the country for decades and decades. Now, they've been misapplied. In Mississippi they were misapplied in the 60s against civil rights activists.

But these two statutes, one says that you can't -- fire a gun or explode gun powder, there are things that we don't want to have done in public. Disturbing the peace statutes, all due respect to Joey are totally constitutional. They have been upheld for decades now. But here, it is misapplied. You have the people saying to their love ones, hey, you did it, baby, and they get prosecuted. That's certifiably insane. What should have happened --

BALDWIN: Tell me how you really feel.

FRIEDMAN: That's how I really feel. What should have happened here, and the superintendent in his own words acknowledged what he did was wrong even though he didn't --.

BALDWIN: Because they basically -- they wanted everybody to walk across the stage. We all know how long it takes for everyone to run through and all the names be read. And every single time, you hear somebody screaming in the audience, slows it down. Understand that, but still, this is taking it --

JACKSON: It takes it too far. And the reality is this in terms of the unconstitutionality of it. Statutes certainly do exist. And they, you know, disturbing the peace. But it's the manner in which, it is the application of a statute. Now, for example, when you have something, Brooke, and you have it in this manner, and it's affecting people, let's look at the context upon which they are. You're at a graduation, at a congratulation what kind of a ceremony is that? The ceremony should be joyous.

FRIEDMAN: Should have been escorted out. That's what should have happen. They should have been escorted out. In fact, the superintendent said last year we the best ceremony that we have ever had. Why? Because he had some people who talked too much escorted out. That's what he should have had done this year. Indeed, they did to that this year, but not prosecute.

BALDWIN: The superintendent is saying, I am not dropping the charges.

FRIEDMAN: And what happened here, two weeks afterwards, this was May 21. Two weeks later, these four people got warrants. That is insane. Prosecutorial discretion should be applied here. They should not prosecuted. And the superintendent, this is in my view, it's proof there is some bad publicity in the world. Like with the balloon boy incident six years ago. It's possible to have bad publicity. The superintendent, whether he intended to get bad publicity or not, really screwed things up.

JACKSON: The charges will be dismissed. It's unconstitutional as applied unless you say something that incites imminent limitless lawless action or otherwise impacts the public in a negative way it will not stand. And as result of that, you know what? They're not going to jail, they are not paying fines.

FRIEDMAN: Absolutely. Shouldn't even be prosecuted.

BALDWIN: We reached out to the superintendent, and didn't hear anything, I should say. No comment.

FRIEDMAN: I'm shocked.

[15:55:00] BALDWIN: Rich Friedman and Joey Jackson, thank so much very much.

FRIEDMAN: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Thank you.

We'll be right back.

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[15:54:17] BALDWIN: Talk about just an incredibly difficult day for vice president Joe Biden and his family here. An official gathering for his eldest son who just died from brain cancer. Beau Biden, the former attorney general lying in honor at the state capitol there. The vice president, his wife and other family members, as you can see here, giving embrace after embrace as they received the mourners. The funeral is set for Saturday. The president will deliver the eulogy. Beau Biden, father of two and an Iraq war veteran died at the age of 46.

And I'm Brooke Baldwin. Here in New York, that does it for me on this Thursday. See you back here tomorrow.

In the meantime, let's go to Washington, D.C. and my colleague Jake Tapper. "The LEAD" starts right now.