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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert's Alleged Victims Stand at Three; Dozen Federal Agents Raided Aaron Schock;s Campaign Office in Illinois; Two of Josh Duggars' Sisters and Victims Defending Him; Reopening Chandra Levy's Case; Floridian Hospital Under Investigation; Bourdain About Beauty of Budapest and Its Connection to Cinematography and Art. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired June 5, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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[20:00:08] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Hey, good evening. Thanks for joining us.
We begin tonight with breaking news, not just a growing list to former house speaker Dennis Hastert's alleged victim which tonight stands at three, now corroboration as well for the latest accuser's story, corroboration for the woman who spoke with ABC News' Bryan Ross. She told said him that the former house speaker sexually abused her late brother, Steve Reinhold, while Steve was in high school where Hastert was then coaching wrestling.
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JOLENE BUDGE, REINHOLD'S SISTER: I asked him, Steve, when was your first same sex experience. I mean, he just looked at me and said it was with Dennis Hastert. And I just - I know I was stunned. And I said why didn't you ever tell anybody, Stevie. I mean, he was your teacher. Why didn't you ever tell anybody? And he just looked at me and said who is ever going to believe me, in this town? Who is ever going to believe me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was it your sense this happened more than once?
BURDGE: I said, you know, was it all through high school. And he said yes. He said, you know, all through high school. Here is the mentor, the man who was, you know, basically his friend, who was the one that was abusing him.
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COOPER: Her brother later died of AIDS in the mid-90s. Now, she had a chance to confront Hastert when he showed up at the funeral home when her brother died.
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BURDGE: I just looked at him and I said I want to know what you did what you did to my brother. He just stood there and stared at me. And I just continued to say, I want you to know that your secret didn't die in there with my brother and I want you to remember that I'm out here and that I know.
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COOPER: Well late tonight, another shoe dropped. A friend of her brother's corroborating that account, talking in shadow to NBC News.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He started to talk about his (INAUDIBLE) with Denny Hastert and told me that they had been sexual. And I was flabbergasted. I said, what do you mean? And he said well, we would do things sexually and it would sometimes start with a massage.
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COOPER: Well, Coach Hastert then became congressman then speaker Hastert, he is now under federal indictment and accused of covering up and lying about hush money payments to someone else.
With us now, senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny who has been on the Hastert beats since the days with "The New York Times" and days with the "Chicago Tribune."
So Jeff, this woman's brother, do we know if he ever received any payments from Hastert because he is not the same person, obviously, because he is deceased to have alleged to have received hush money from Hastert.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, you Are right. He is not the same person. And as far as we know, he did not receive any money. His sister say he did not receive any money. And by all accounts, he left Illinois after he graduated from high school and the University of Illinois and had been living in Los Angeles until he passed away in 1995. So, as far as we know, by all accounts, he received no money or had limited, if any, contact with speaker Hastert after high school.
COOPER: And in terms of the other two victims, how much do we know about who they are and what happened to them, or alleged victims, I should say.
ZELENY: Anderson, we still don't know a lot about who they are. Individual A is the person whose named in the federal indictment. And he is the person who had been meeting with Dennis Hastert and had been receiving payments of a promise of up to $3.5 million. So we know he went to high school around the same time frame in the '70s, possibly as far as into the '80s because he left in 1985 and became an Illinois lawmaker, but we don't know who the individual A is.
And the other individual who we've confirmed through law enforcement sources that the FBI has been in touch with him, we don't know much either, other than he was a student at the time. But Anderson, we've talked to so many other people on the wrestling team and so many other people from around town, no one seems to know who the individuals are.
COOPER: And Hastert, I mean, he hasn't been seen publicly since the allegations has come out. He is set to be arraigned in federal court next week, right?
ZELENY: He is. And it is important to remind he is being arranged on the bank fraud charges, not sexual misconduct, he is being arraigned on bank fraud charges because of not reporting all of the large sums of money he was taking out of his bank account and then lying to the FBI about it. So that is what he is actually accused of. And, you know, these aren't that serious of charges. They each have prison terms of up to five years or so. But the whole sexual misconduct allegations, he is facing so much more public pressure now than the FBI bank charges.
COOPER: Well, also Jeff, just the whole hypocrisy - I mean, given his record in Congress, he even was the guys who was supposed to oversee the Mark Foley investigation, the congressman having inappropriate relations with Pages, I believe or interns, the idea that he was overseeing anybody, accused of sexual misconduct in retrospect is pretty stunning.
[20:04:56] ZELENY: It is stunning. And the fact that he became speaker in the first place. Don't forget, Newt Gingrich had to step aside because of problems in his past. Bill Livingston had to step aside because of problems in his past. And then Dennis Hastert sort of, you know, emerged out of the blue and no one knew much about him.
But it is that Mark Foley scandal from '06 that people were wondering at the time if Dennis Hastert was doing enough to rein in this member of Congress from Florida who is having inappropriate relationships with really high school interns who were working on Capitol Hill. And so much of our time in that story was spent trying to figure out why speaker Hastert didn't sort of do much about this. Now we certainly have so many more questions now that we know this in hindsight. But at the time I can tell you, Anderson, no one was talking about this, even Hastert's enemies weren't talking about any of this at the time.
COOPER: Jeff, appreciate the reporting. Thank you.
Joining us now is senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Jeffrey Toobin, also Lynn Sweet, Washington bureau chief for "the Chicago Sun Times." She has been covering the story very closely for the paper.
The statute of limitations, Jeff, obviously, on any kind of abuse, that is all expired.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: For when he was a high school teacher, yes. I can't imagine any scenario where those cases could be prosecuted anymore.
COOPER: I mean, the question of course, is could there possibly be other more recent cases, because I mean, if he's got some, you know, compulsion or whatever it is that drove him to allegedly do this not just once, but multiple times, to multiple people, it would be questionable to understand how that could just stop.
TOOBIN: Right. Although, one thing that certainly changed was access. You know, when you are a wrestling coach, when you are a high school teacher, you are around teenage boys all of the time. When you are a United States congressman you are not as much. Although it is true, and one reason why it is not terribly surprising if one of these is true, several are true, is that people who abuse children tend to abuse more than one.
COOPER: Lynn, I understand you reached out to some of Hastert's former staffers about the allegations. What did they say?
LYNN SWEET, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, THE CHICAGO SUN TIMES: Everybody is stunned and surprised and still absorbing each development especially the allegations and especially the sister today by the former student of Hastert. So none of this is making sense to his former associates. They are concerned about him because no one has seen or heard from him. So they also are wondering how he is doing, Anderson.
COOPER: And -- I mean, it is amazing that none of this came out while he was speaker of the house?
SWEET: Well here is what is interesting, what one associate told me. That, if this sister knew, he wouldn't have become speaker, you know. He locked in the votes on one day in 1998, the day by the way when the house voted to impeach Bill Clinton and charges stemming, of course, from his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
As Jeff Zeleny just said, Bob Livingston, who was Newt Gingrich's heir apparent, decided he had to resign from the house because he was having an affair. If this woman had come forward and had told her story to anyone, Deny Hastert would not have been the speaker. That is what was pointed out to me. That there were times when this woman could have come forward but she did not.
COOPER: Well, she actually said that she tried I believe to --
SWEET: Years later, in 2006. So I'm saying, there were inflection points here where she or other people who thought that they might have been victimized by Hastert could have come out and change the course of his and certainly the house history.
So, and then you ask what people were saying today and this is some of the things of people were musing about. You know, this is not the man they knew. Why didn't this come out sooner and concern because no one has seen him.
COOPER: Well, I mean, again, I just come back, if he was doing this, as a high school wrestling coach, there has got to be more -- if these allegations are true and now there is three people, this stuff doesn't just stop. And whether it is boys of this age or people who are older and -- I mean, I don't know. We'll see what else comes out.
In terms of the financial allegations against him, Jeff, legally, what is he facing?
TOOBIN: He is -- these are two felony -- serious felony charges. If he were to plead guilty and frankly 73-year-old men who are facing serious charges almost always plead guilty. I can't imagine he'll get prison time. But if he forces the government to prove their case, and it comes out who individual A is, and the story of their relationship comes out, it is entirely possible he could get some prison time.
COOPER: So he wouldn't get prison time if he just pleaded guilty?
TOOBIN: I cannot imagine.
COOPER: Even though you say it is a serious felony.
TOOBIN: It is a serious felony. But you know, it is - these are in the realm of white-collar crime where under the federal sentencing guidelines it would be available to the judge to give him probation. And if he pleads guilty in advance of trial and nothing further comes out about other bad conduct I think he almost certainly wouldn't get prison time.
[20:09:57] COOPER: We'll see. Jeff Toobin, thank you. Lynn Sweet, great to have you on.
There are new developments tonight involving another former member of Congress, this time we are talking about Aaron Schock, the high-living ab flexing, (INAUDIBLE), big spending Republican representing the 18th congressional district of Illinois.
Yesterday, more than a dozen federal agents raided his campaign office in Junction City, Illinois, executing a search warrant taking boxes of documents and a computer and a number of other items from the premises. Mr. Schock, if you recall, left congress over alleged spending irregularities, expense accounts shenanigans and accepting improper gifts. He since for paid some of the money, however, his troubles are far from over.
Now, in addition to the justice department of investigation, the federal grand jury has been hearing from current and former staffers.
Joining us is Chris Kaergard of the local paper, "the Peoria Journal Star."
Chris, it is good to have you on. So this raid, do you have a sense of why the campaign office raided and why it was raided now?
CHRIS KAERGARD, POLITICAL REPORTER, PEORIA JOURNAL STAR: What is interesting about that, Anderson, is that it came one day after one of Schock's aids testified before the grand jury. This was the aid Sara Rogers who arranged most of the congressman's official office travel and handled some of the scheduling out in Washington, D.C. So there is talk about that. But there is also been talk about other things in connection with it. So it seems that it was about time. What surprised me is they hadn't raided it sooner.
COOPER: I mean, how long is he going to have an office for?
KAERGARD: My guess on that would be that there are still some things with a campaign to wrap up. As you know, he just won re-election last year. He stepped down at the end of March. So I'm sure there is some record-keeping things. Plus he's under serious questions about not just his office expenses, but also campaign expenses that people were looking at and some irregularities there that were reported.
COOPER: Right. The justice department - I mean, it issued subpoenas to, I believe, eight former staffers, correct?
KAERGARD: Correct. Everybody from the chief of staff all the way down to an intern.
COOPER: And is it possible there are other staffers involves as well that we don't know about.
KAERGARD: There may well be other staffers, particularly on the campaign side. Because if they don't work for Schock in Congress, they are under no obligation to raise their hand and say I got a subpoena. So people, for example, his former chief of staff who also worked as his campaign manager and now has neither job would have no obligation and to say his political director would have no obligation to say and a whole host of others.
COOPER: Do we have any idea where Aaron Schock is because we really haven't seen him since he resigned.
KAERGARD: We haven't seen him since his resignation but there have been a number of sightings around town of the congressman. So he certainly has not been incognito in the area, that is for sure.
COOPER: All right. Well, Chris Kaergard, appreciate you being on. Thanks very much.
A quick reminder tonight, make sure you set your DVR. You can watch ac360 any time you like. Coming up next, it is been dubbed the female Viagra or the little pink pill and it just clear a major hurdle on the way to FDA approval. We'll talk about that coming up.
Also ahead, did they tell the truth? New questions tonight about what the Duggars said when they told their side of the story in the family molestation scandal.
[20:17:01] COOPER: The so-called Viagra for women aimed at boosting a woman's sex drive has cleared a major hurdle. An FDA panel has recommended a little pink pill known as (INAUDIBLE) for approval. Now, if that happens, sometimes in August it would the first FDA approved drug to help women with sexual dysfunction. Unlike Viagra this pill targets the brain.
Here is senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For more than 15 years, the little blue pill has been a champion for the creator Pfizer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the age of taking action, Viagra.
COHEN: It has been so successful, the movie love and other drugs immortalized the Viagra salesman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Men, without a useful erection in years. Minimum satisfaction. Long term safety. This isn't a pill. This is a revolution.
COHEN: But what about a pill for women? Just five years ago, the situation was grim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ever tell me how many drugs do you have for men with sex problems?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Currently, three for socio medications -- Viagra, Lavitro, and Scialis.
COHEN: And how many do you have for women with sexual problems?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Currently, no prescription medications.
COHEN: According to one study, the most common sexual problem for women, low desire. And the women I met were literally in tears about it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sometimes I feel it would be better if I never met my husband because he's such a wonderful guy and he doesn't deserve this. I wonder if it would have been better if he met somebody else.
COHEN: The problem? For women, desire is in the brain and it is hard to fix the brain. Stanford University researchers put women in MRIs to investigate just like I'm doing here.
Now, here is the really interesting part. While these women with low libido were lying there in the MRI machine, they were actually watching pornography and the MRI was registering their brain's reaction.
I mean, this is so graphic. It is hard to imagine not having much of a reaction to it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. But if your brain is working differently and you don't have enough, you know, of a certain narrow transmitter -- neurotransmitter you won't react to it.
COHEN: Pharmaceutical companies chase chemical romance with little success until just this week. After two FDA rejections, the drug (INAUDIBLE) made it one step closer to pharmacies when an FDA panel recommended the approval. One woman who took the (INAUDIBLE) in a study says her libido improved in just two weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All of a sudden I have a flutter. And it was not like a flutter in my heart, it was further south.
COHEN: She said there has been a long wait for a little pink pill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is not an easy conversation to have with the man that you love to say, hey, I love you. I'm highly attracted to you. But for some reason, I just don't want to cozy up and have sex. I think women finally are on a level playing ground or heading in the right direction to being on a level playing ground.
[20:20:02] COOPER: Elizabeth Cohen joins me now. This is really amazing development. I mean, do we know how well the drug seems to work and how effective it actually is?
COHEN: No, Anderson, it works well but experts are telling me, look, this is not going to be a blockbuster drug like Viagra. So what it did, once, when you look at the numbers in the study, it says that it increased sexual desire on average 37 percent and decreased sexual distress by 21 percent.
So are those good numbers? Yes. But it doesn't mean that all of the women were all of a sudden having a fabulous sex life. You know, women are much more complicated than men. It is not an on or off situation like it is more men.
COHEN: And what, if any, side effects does the drug have.
COHEN: Right. The drug does have side effects. It can cause dizziness, it can cause nausea, it can cause sleepiness. This is definitely something that concerned the FDA because Anderson, unlike Viagra, you don't just take this drug when you want to have sex, you take it every day so it can really work on the chemicals in your brain. And there has been some concern that there are going to -- that this is going to sort of make a lot of women just maybe develop sexual their desire will go up but they will also be exhausted.
COOPER: And is this something do we know insurance would pay for?
COHEN: You know, it is going to interesting question to see what insurance says, because insurance did pay and does pay for Viagra, right. So if they don't pay for this one, oh, boy, you can imagine, there will be a big fight over that.
COOPER: Yes, understandable. Elizabeth Cohen, appreciate the reporting. Thank you.
Coming up, did Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar tell the whole truth in their interview about their son, Josh, molesting at least five young girls? Tonight, new question then you will hear what two of the victims are saying.
Also ahead, 14 years ago, two names were all over the news. Chandra Levy and then congressman Gary Conde (ph). Conde, of course, was cleared of any involvement. Tonight, there is new development in the young Washington intern's disappearance.
[20:25:43] COOPER: Two of Josh Duggars sisters who are victims of his molestation are defending him. Tonight, there are also news questions about how honest Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar were in their interview about their son's sexual abuse of at least five young girls. And what they did about it as parents. Now, we'll get to those questions in a moment.
But first the sisters Jill and Jessa also spoke with Megyn Kelly of FOX News and said pretty much the same things that their parents did that Josh's record shouldn't be released and what he did wasn't that bad.
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MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Sitting here today, is when I said, you know, victims, you furrowed your brow a little. Do you feel like the victim of a molestation?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do want to speak up in his defense against people calling him a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist people are saying. That is so overboard and a lie, really. I mean, people get mad at me for saying that but I'm like I can say this. You know, I was one of the victims.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: "In Touch" magazine broke the story and now says there are discrepancies in what Michelle and Jim Bob said when they broke their silence.
Jean Casarez has that.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The first issue "In Touch" says isn't true from the Duggar interview, is the family's claim they cooperated with police. Listen.
JIM BOB DUGGAR, FATHER: We met with them and they said we want to interview on the kids and we said, you know what, we have nothing to hide.
CASAREZ: But the fact is Josh himself didn't come forward at that time with the rest of his family. Duggar admits that later in the interview.
J. DUGGAR: Not Josh. Josh was 18 at the time. He was not a juvenile any more.
CASAREZ: The Duggars say they developed and carried out a plan after Josh confessed to his parents what he had done.
J. DUGGAR: We talked to him and put all kinds of punishments on him. We watched him like all of the time.
CASAREZ: And even removed him from the home for counseling. They say they had no obligation to come forward with what they knew.
J. DUGGAR: As parents you're not mandatory reporters. You are -- the law allows for parents to do what they think is best for their child. CASAREZ: "In Touch" magazine spoke with legal experts who say that
We spoke with attorney Marci Hamilton who says they do have a legal obligation.
MARCI HAMILTON, ATTORNEY: They are partly responsible for letting it happen because the minute they heard this, they should have removed him from the home.
CASAREZ: Had they come forward, they could have faced charges of permitting abuse of a minor that carries a penalty of up to six years imprisonment.
The next point, the Duggars claim that law enforcement may have released juvenile records because of an incentive.
KELLY: Was there any motive that you know of for the police chief to want to hurt your family.
J. DUGGAR: I'm not sure.
MICHELLE DUGGAR, MOTHER: There must be an agenda.
J. DUGGAR: If there was a bribe or some kind of personal agenda.
CASAREZ: The fact is there is no evidence of a bribe and "In Touch" magazine says it got the records through the freedom of information act, not once, but twice.
HAMILTON: But generally, any abuse charges and a particular sexual abuse that are in public records, the names of the victims are redacted, and often the names of the perpetrator are, if they are underage.
CASAREZ: And what may be the biggest issue with the Duggars' story of all, "In Touch" says the Duggars implied the man they talked to at the police department was unknown to them.
J. DUGGAR: We went into the Arkansas state police.
KELLY: At the police headquarters.
J. DUGGAR: At the police headquarters, walked in. Miss (INAUDIBLE) was there. We went in and talked to him and said, hey, my son has something that he needs to share with you. And we actually took a witness with us and that went in and sat down and he shared everything.
CASAREZ: And that officer was trooper Jim Hutchins who "In Touch" says actually knew the Duggars. Ironically, Hutchins is now serving 56 years in prison for child pornography. The Duggars visit to the police station could have ultimately led to charges. But no charges were ever filed.
Jean Casarez, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)
COOPER: Joining me now is CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter.
It is interesting that in this interview where, you know, they are trying to set the record straight, there is now all these allegations that they actually weren't telling the truth. I mean, suggesting there was some sort of a bribe when it seems like there was a freedom of information act request which is totally legal.
BRIAN STELTER CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Bottom line is this interview made a bad situation worse. You usually do these interviews to get ahead of the crisis, to make it better, to start to improve the situation. Their reputation has worsened as a result of this interview. To keep them on, we are going to hear from the daughters, but the interview was taped on one day as well. So, whatever is new in there, it's not going to be responding to these new charges that they were making a lot of mistakes or distortions in the Wednesday interview.
COOPER: Did TLC set this interview up?
STELTER: No, actually, the opposite. TLC maybe would have liked to, they probably would have set it up with a different network, but instead it was the Duggar's personal P.R. firm, the same firm that actually works for Mike Huckabee. It's an interesting connection because Mike Huckabee ...
COOPER: Huckabee's P.R. person is the same or the firm?
STELTER: The same, that's right. Actually, you know, the man is the same, Chuck Gallagher (ph). He actually is the close advisor to Huckabee, helps run Huckabee's political action committee, and he's been advising Duggars on what to do. He's got a good reputation, you know, when it comes to public relations, but this seems to have been a mess for the Duggars. It seems like they make it harder for themselves to get back to TLC.
COOPER: And it's interesting because Mike Huckabee was, obviously, very coming - very strongly in support of them early on ...
STELTER: That's right.
COOPER: And then subsequently, I guess, has taken off their endorsement.
STELTER: Yeah, off this campaign Web site. Yes. That was telling a couple of days ago. You know, this makes it harder for TLC to bring the show back, if they want to. I think there's a divide inside TLC, the network is still not commenting on what's going to do. And they don't have to right now. Because the show is not in production currently.
COOPER: It's a huge moneymaker for TLC.
STELTER: Is it?
COOPER: It is not - is it their top rated show or one of ...
STELTER: One of their top rated shows. That's not show and the little people. And the thing about TLC, is that it normalizes families that aren't always seen as normal. That is the special thing about the channel. It's what the channel is known for. But this family, though, they were normalized by TLC, but now we, you know, it seems like a much more complicated story is out because this family's secret has been revealed and it is obviously not normal.
COOPER: Do you know how TLC is handling - or are they having emergency meetings about it. Do you know anything about the internal ...
STELTER: I think what's most telling, there has been no meeting this week. They are trying to - they want to be seen as budding out. They want to be seen as not being involved. There is a couple of camps inside the channel. One camp is pretty clear, they can't bring this show back and they know they can't ever bring this show back. Some people still think there's a chance. They - a spinoff.
COOPER: A spinoff about some of the daughters or maybe daughters who have come forward.
STELTER: That's right. The coupe - the two daughters we are going to see in this new interview, would be maybe the subject of a spinoff as they start their own families. That would be a way to stay in business with the family, but not with Josh or go to the parents. But even a spinoff. It appears less and less likely. You know, keep in mind, the two of the sisters are speaking, two of the other victims are not speaking. By having two come out and the others not, it actually makes you wonder more about the other victims and what they are going through.
COOPER: We appreciate.
STELTER: And, of course, we haven't heard from Josh Duggars.
COOPER: All right, Brian, I appreciate you being with us.
Up next, you probably haven't heard the name Chandra Levy in a while, but 14 years ago her disappearance dominated headlines. Now, a major new development in her case.
COOPER: On "Crime and Punishment" tonight, a major new development in a story that dominated the news 14 years ago, the disappearance of Capitol Hill intern Chandra Levy. Now, if you are old enough, you surely remember her name, the news about her affair with a congressman though he was never a suspect in her disappearance, and her skull being found a year after she was last seen. Well, now 13 years after that grim discovery, the man who was convicted of killing Chandra Levy has ban granted a new trial. Gary Tuchman reports.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For the parents of Chandra Levy, another trial means reliving a nightmare.
SUSAN LEVY, CHANDRA LEVY'S MOTHER: I don't think that I would sit through an entire trial as I did the first time. There is no need to. Because the outcome, whatever way it's going to be, I still will never get my daughter back.
TUCHMAN: The case of Chandra Levy transfixed the nation in 2001. She lived in this apartment building in Washington D.C.'s DuPont Circle neighborhood. The 24-year old had just finished an internship with the Federal Bureau of Prisons and May 1 of that year she left her apartment and was never seen again. It was discovered that on the day she went missing, she had used her computer to search for the location of the Clingo Mansion in Washington's Rock Creek Park, a historic house that is now a park office. So that is where police started searching for her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you are familiar with this part of Rock Creek Park, the underbrush is rather extensive.
TUCHMAN: The search through the summer of 2001 turned up nothing. Officially this was still a missing person's case.
SUSAN LEVY: We appreciate anyone coming forward to helping us get my daughter home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We appreciate your help.
TUCHMAN: Something else did turn up though, Chandra Levy had been having an affair with a married congressman from California, Gary Condit. Condit denied having anything to do with her disappearance, but did not deny a relationship. While she was missing he did this interview with ABC's Connie Chung.
GARY CONDIT: We became very close. I met her in Washington, D.C.
CONNIE CHUNG, ABC CORRESPONDENT: Very close meaning?
CONDIT: We had a close relationship. I liked her very much.
CHUNG: May I ask you, was it a sexual relationship?
CONDIT: Well, Connie, I've been married for 34 years and I've not been a perfect man and I've made my share of mistakes, but out of respect for my family and out of a specific request from the Levy family, I think it's best if tonight not get into those details about Chandra Levy.
TUCHMAN: Condit was thoroughly investigated. Many believe detectives spent too much time trying to link Condit to a disappearance to the detriment of the case.
Scott Higham is the Pulitzer Prize winner for "The Washington Post" who co-authored a book about the Chandra Levy case. SCOTT HIGHAM, REPORTER, "THE WASHINTON POST": Cops and the prosecutors were so focused on that theory of the case, they missed the suspect who was hiding in plain sight.
TUCHMAN: Meanwhile, months went by. The search for Chandra Levy continued. Efforts to find any clues in Rock Creek Park had failed. It wasn't clear if she would ever be found.
But Chandra Levy's body was in this 2800 acre park. Her remains were found right around here. Not by police. But by a man walking his dog, and looking for turtles. His discovery came more than one year after she disappeared.
TUCHMAN: Police had never searched this remote area of the park.
Even before her body was found, an informant in a D.C. jail named Armando Morales told authorities that Ingmar Guandique who was also in jail told him he killed Levy. Guandique was behind bars after admitting to assaulting two other women in the same park. It took eight years, but Morales's testimony would lead to Guandique's murder conviction with the sentence of 60 years in prison. During the trial, Morales testified he had never cooperated with investigators before in an effort to win leniency for himself.
HIGHAM: It turns out that he had cooperated with other investigations, none of them related to this case.
TUCHMAN (on camera): And that was enough to ask for a new trial.
HIGHAM: Yes. He committed perjury. He lied.
TUCHMAN (voice over): So, this month a new trial date will be scheduled. If Guandique is found not guilty this time, the question on so many people's minds 14 years ago will be asked again, who killed Chandra Levy? Gary Tuchman, CNN, Washington.
COOPER: And joining me again, CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Also with us, legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos who represented Gary Condit back in those days. Jeff, it is incredible just when you think that there is -- a., how much time has gone by and what this means for the family. The idea of - were you surprised that there is going to be a retrial?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Not really. One thing we've learned from the Innocence Project and the DNA exonerations, is that cell mate confessions are some of the worst evidence that prosecutors can ever put on. These people lie. They know exactly what prosecutors want. They have tremendous incentives to lie.
COOPER: Because they get better facilities or treatment.
TOOBIN: Right. Or they can get released. And it is - you know, there was tremendous incompetence in this investigation. They didn't find the body, which was in Rock Creek Park. They didn't find Guandique who was - fit the perfect profile for this. I mean he had assaulted women in this park, but they didn't look at him as a suspect. I mean this was a disaster from day one and it continues to be a disaster.
COOPER: Mark, is part of the trouble was getting this case right all the time they spend investigating Congressman Condit?
MARK GERAGOS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That's clearly what it was. For those who don't remember, this was wall to wall on that summer leading up to and the only thing that stopped the coverage of this case was September 11th. Up until September 11th it was wall to wall. I remember being - you couldn't turn on any cable news station, you couldn't turn on any nightly news and see anything but this case. And the only thing that broke through it was September 11th. Now mind you, as Jeff says, the lesson to be learned here is why prosecutors felt - felt it was necessary to put on a snitch, because that is what they call it, snitch testimony, is beyond me because next to eyewitness testimony that may be the most disheartening tool that is used by prosecutors in the criminal justice system. But the fact is they knew about it. We had gone public within a year to a year and a half with Guandique because this guy - the - our investigation showed, as you mentioned, that twice before he had assaulted women who were jogging in that park. There was every reason to believe that Chandra was jogging that day that she disappeared. Down to almost the exact location where he'd assaulted the other women within a very short distance was where they found Chandra's remains. And so, if it wasn't for all of the nonsense focus on Gary, because that was the sex and scandal that sells, they probably could have solved this case.
COOPER: Jeff, what is the prosecution going to base their case on if they don't have this testimony?
TOOBIN: It is a really good question. I don't know what they have. Because he was the key to the prosecution's case. They can still put him on. But they now have to disclose that he committed perjury in the last trial and that he has this very shifty background of having all of these confessions in prison. So I mean they can try, to try this case again. But boy, I mean, they have their work cut out for them. I mean I don't know.
COOPER: Mark, do you think they have a case?
GERAGOS: Yes, I do. Because there was -- there were witnesses at the time who had seen this gentleman with scratches and cuts that he had no good excuse for the time when she went missing. You can use this similar crimes-type evidence to get in on the other two and I think that that is what they are going to base the case on. It would be the ultimate irony and injustice if he goes free and not having been tried because they were so focused on the salacious and the titillating in this case.
COOPER: Mark Geragos, good to have you on. Jeff Toobin as well. Up next, our keeping them honest reporting, through a spotlight on a hospital were babies were dying, after open heart surgeries. Surgeries that experts say the hospital had too little experience to safely do. And apparently we got a lot of attention. We'll tell you what the action that's been taken now.
Also, those two poor dogs on death row. Their owner forced to pay $11,000 in a legal bill. We have got an update you'll not want to miss.
COOPER: An update on a big keeping them honest report that Elizabeth Cohen brought you earlier this week. It involved a hospital in West Palm Beach, Florida, St. Mary's Medical Center doing open heart surgery on babies without enough experience, according to experts, to actually do it safely. Babies were dying. The hospital was advised to stop doing the surgery, instead, they kept doing it and babies kept dying. The most recent one just a couple of days ago. Now, though, thanks to the attention the Elizabeth Cohen's reporting brought to the story, the federal government has taken action today. She joins us again with details. So, what did you learn?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we've learned, Anderson, as the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services says that they are launching an investigation into the information that is in our story. And they said they are doing this because -- I just got off the phone with a federal official and he said, Elizabeth, this is a serious situation.
PALMER: He said we want to make sure that people are not unnecessarily exposed to harm. Now, Medicaid is a really important player here, because most of these babies, they are on Medicaid. The babies who get open heart surgery at St. Mary's Medical Center, most of them are on Medicaid. So this isn't just the federal government coming in, this is the purse strings coming in, Anderson.
COOPER: Right. And some of the moms pointed out in your initial reporting, there is a financial incentive for the hospital to do these surgeries because they can charge a lot to insurance and to Medicaid.
PALMER: That's right. These surgeries are very complex procedures and they reimburse very well for one type of procedure. One hospital said they get half a million dollars. They collect half a million dollars for one procedure on one child. Very, very lucrative surgeries.
COOPER: What about the state of Florida itself, are they investigating the hospital?
PALMER: They are not investigating the hospital, Anderson. And I was actually on the phone with a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and she said, Elizabeth, your numbers are inaccurate. We are not going to do an interview with you. And I said, well, you know, Tiffany, tell me what is inaccurate about them. I said, let me explain what our numbers are and she said I have to go and I - can I explain to you how we got our numbers and she said I have to go and click hung up. I have to say, Anderson, in 20 something years of doing that, I've never had a state health official do that. It was really stunning.
COOPER: Wow. Well, maybe she had a busy weekend. But maybe on Monday she'll call you back.
PALMER: I'm hoping so.
COOPER: Yeah, we'll see. Elizabeth Cohen, thanks very much. It's also busy night for Gary Tuchman. He is back with the "360" bulletin. Gary.
TUCHMAN: Anderson, U.S. investigators believe the hackers who carried out the biggest breach over of the federal government's computer networks may have ties to the Chinese military and cyber-security experts advising the U.S. government believe they are the same group who did the anthem insurance hack earlier this year.
A law enforcement official tells CNN the third person with alleged ties to the Boston terror plot who had his Rhode Island home searched this week, is a friend of the suspect who was shot to death by police on Tuesday and another associate named David Wright who was arrested. The third person who's been questioned by police blasted the U.S. on Twitter writing that he was "living among the enemy." In a "360" follow, those two dogs on death row in Colorado Springs, Colorado, are free tonight, exonerated. As Randi Kaye reported this week, Jake and Lucy were accused of killing a neighbor's cat, but there was no evidence linking them to the death. And there's more good news. The owner has received $11,000 in donations to cover all of the legal bills. And victory to the dogs, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Gary, I appreciate. Thanks very much. Just ahead, Bourdain in Budapest. Antony Bourdain giving me a preview of the outcoming episode of "Parts Unknown" and shares why he now sort of understands the concept of architecture porn and I talked to him at my house, recently.
COOPER: This Sunday night on CNN, Anthony Bourdain travels to Hungary for an all-new episode of "Parts Unknown." He recently gained me a preview at any home.
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COOPER: In this coming episode, you go to Budapest, which is I mean a beautiful city, but not a city that a lot of Americans know much about.
ANTHONY BOURDAIN: I've been told that Budapest was beautiful, but I had no idea how beautiful. I'm not a big -- I'm not sitting around reading architecture magazines, but it is the first time that I really began to understand the possibility of architecture porn. (LAUGHTER)
BOURDAIN: I mean you drive around - you look out the window, and you think oh my god, this place is just - it is deeply like pleasurable to look out the window of a moving car that building after building after building after building. Wow! They knew how to make pretty things there.
COOPER: And you looked a lot at - I mean the Soviet times, the uprising.
BOURDAIN: Well, in this case, we -- one of my many vices is my unnatural love for cinematography and we - one of the first things we noticed about Budapest and the Hungary in general, is an extraordinary number of really great visual artists and photographers and cinematographers seen to come out of Hungary. What is it about this place that you have got all of this - Frank Capra and Lazlo Kovacs and Vilmos Zsigmond (ph). Let's call Vilmos Zsigmond. One of the greatest cinematographers and innovative in the history of film, and we did. And he said yeah, awesome, let's go - we'll go back to Budapest.
COOPER: So, he went back with you.
BOURDAIN: So, we went back to Hungary with one of the greatest cinematographers in the history of film. He shot "McCabe and Mrs. Miller," "Close Encounter of the Third Kind", "Deliverance", the "Bear Hunter," I mean really changed film language as we know it. But interestingly and we didn't know this, when we first reached out to him, he was a young film student during the Hungarian revolution of '56 that was put down by the Russians and when it happened, he and his buddy, Lazlo Kovacs, another great cinematographer, ran out the streets with some I guess, commandeered 35mm cameras that they got out of their film school and shot everything they saw.
COOPER: Wow. That's amazing.
BOURIDAIN: And we got use of that film and walked through those - showed those films and then walk through the same locations and talk about what it was like. This is a guy who as a kid grew up in a village watching the German tanks come in, was a film student under Russian rule, was there filming during the - what looked like it was going to be a successful revolution, escaped from Hungary, occupied Hungary with his buddy Lazlo Kovacs, with a whole bunch of 35 mm film cans under his arm.
BOURDAIN: And we go back and look at that history and this country, and the culture through the eyes of one of the great ....