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Man Attacks Dallas Police HQ Just After Midnight; Hunt Continues for Two Cold-Blooded Killers; New Docs Shedding Light on Killing of 12-Year-Old Tamir Rice; Hillary Clinton's First Major Rally; Republican Presidential Hopefuls at Mitt Romney's Retreat; Interview with Marc Benioff. Aired 3-4p ET

Aired June 13, 2015 - 15:00   ET

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[15:00:16] POPPY HARLOW, CNN HOST: 3:00 eastern. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York.

And we begin with a harrowing story out of Dallas, Texas, involving a barrage of gunshots, exploding pipe bombs, and a SWAT standoff.

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HARLOW: Police are trying to determine what led a man to attack Dallas police headquarters in the heart of the city just after midnight. The man opened fire with an assault weapon, then a shotgun, and then planted at least one pipe bomb in a bag outside that later exploded. A hail of bullets hit nearly everything in sight, but amazingly none of the officers or staffers inside of police headquarters were hit.

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CHIEF DAVID BROWN, DALLAS POLICE: Some officers say we're very lucky. I believe we're blessed that our officers survived this ordeal. There are bullet holes and squad cars where officers were sitting. There are bullet holes in the front lobby where our staff was sitting. And one staff member had just walked away to get a coke. If they had stayed there during the ordeal, they would have been shot, we believe, and killed, based on the trajectory of the bullets. Looking at the front parts of headquarters, there are bullets. There's a helicopter inside as a museum piece, it's shot up. The second floor has bullet holes in it.

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HARLOW: Well, police returned fire and eventually a chase ensued with an armored van. It rammed into a police car before speeding away. Officers chased the driver to a restaurant parking lot, right outside the restaurant about 13 miles away. There the man was eventually shot dead by SWAT snipers and a police robot later set off explosives in case there were any more bombs inside that van. In the end, the armored vehicle ended up in flames after pipe bombs inside were detonated. This was the scene less than an hour ago all unfolding beginning late at night in Dallas, Texas.

Nick Valencia is on the ground live in Dallas, also in Washington, former assistant director of the FBI, Tom Fuentes. Tom has also been on scene with the FBI SWAT team and a commander in situations similar to this one.

Tom, I'll get to you about that in a moment.

Nick, let's begin with you. What on earth sparked this? Why did this happen?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're working on trying to confirm a motive. That has not been made clear just yet by police. But we can tell you it was extremely frightening and terrifying incident that happened at about 12:30 a.m., according to eyewitnesses. I spoke to many of them, Poppy, who said that they heard an initial crackle of gunfire. They went to the roof to see what was happening, thinking -- one witness told me they thought it was the television that was making the noise, only later to realize that it was a man who showed up with an armored vehicle, crashing into cars, into squad cars, police squad cars, engaging with police in gunfire, eventually leading them on a chase about 18 miles away from here.

The latest in the investigation, we're told, just within the last hour that officers were working with bomb squad technicians to detonate specific portions around the vehicle. They were nervous that they were going to find more explosives inside that car. And that ended up being the result. They definitely found more explosives, fire power in that armored vehicle.

Here, it seems to be more small scale explosives used, at least four suspicious bags next to the police department headquarters. Two of those bags self-detonating as bomb squad technicians were working. But we have been since we got here talking to people who saw what happened. One of those eyewitnesses I spoke to earlier said that she's still terrified over what she saw.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were walking out and down the street, about to get on the elevator and visit a local restaurant, and just started hearing rapid fire. Didn't really quite know what it was or how serious it was. It was extremely scary. But then we heard someone in the stairwell saying they're shooting at police.

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VALENCIA: Here at the scene of the shooting, we're told by police that the threat is clear, but people as you heard that woman (INAUDIBLE) say, that she's still very nervous about what she saw.

We're working on trying to get more details about this suspect. And the initial conversation with SWAT team and hostage negotiators, he did give a name. Police department have not confirmed that or authenticated that name, but the name that was given is attached to a man with a lengthy criminal history, one who has made threats against his community, against his family, and one, Poppy, from what we saw here, intent on causing a lot of chaos and damage -- Poppy.

[15:05:00] HARLOW: Nick Valencia, thank you very much for that.

Tom, let's talk more about this because clearly, clearly, this was planned. The police had a very tough time stopping him because this is someone who had an armored van. There was this standoff, this chase. I want you to listen to what one officer reported during the standoff.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There have been rounds that hit the glass but did not penetrate. So we have 0.50 cl and we rifles.

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HARLOW: How does SWAT handle a situation like this, tom?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, first of all, Poppy, like what happens in many of these situations, the person with the gun that's shooting at the police has the upper hand, has the police outgunned. So in this case not outnumbered, but certainly outgunned with assault rifles and then retreating and leaving the scene in an armored vehicle. So, you know, all of this that we heard about, the militarization of the police and how terrible it is. This is why they have militarization, because we have the militarization of the public. An armored car, an assault rifle pumping bullets through the windows of the police station and into police cars, and the chief is right. I think they're lucky and blessed that they didn't have an officer killed during that early stage.

Now, later when the SWAT team is deployed and establishes the perimeter and contains that van in the parking lot near the jack in the box, then the tide turned and now they're able to bring their armored car out and their equipment, have their ballistic gear, the explosives, robots, the snipers with the high-powered rifle to disable the engine of that car. That's when things turns when the police finally are able to deploy the equipment that they need for situations like this.

HARLOW: It's astonishing that no one was even injured, Tom.

FUENTES: Yes, it's miraculous. I mean, when you look at the squad car with the bullets that riddled the car through the windshield with a person in it, a police officer was in that car, and as well as the police station, as the chief mentioned. Someone getting up to get a soft drink and the bullet went through right where they were and they would have been killed. It's astonishing that no one was killed in this except for the one person who caused it all.

HARLOW: Nick, to you, how are the other officers feeling now? I mean, clearly this was an attempt at an attack on multiple officers, on anyone who was in range of those bullets. How did the officers that are there on duty now at headquarters feel that they were clearly targeted in this? VALENCIA: Well, that's what it appears, Poppy. It appears the only

target of this violence and this attack was uniformed police officers. I spoke to one who was just really, you know, dumbfounded by what happened. You know, he was talking to me, you know, on background. He didn't want to go on camera, just saying that couldn't believe what happened. He also rhetorically sort of asked a question, how could somebody in the public get their hands on an armored vehicle and why would somebody need this sort of thing? Why is something like this available for sale? Why would somebody need a car like this? Clearly, in this case, it appears that this man was intent on using it for arm, taking place on a chase, using it to shield in place.

Initially, we were told that there might have been up to four suspects involved, or linked to this attack. But we're not told by police that one man caused all of this chaos, the scene here. And as a mentioned, police still sort of on edge here after what happened at about 13:30 last night, Poppy.

HARLOW: Nick Valencia, thank you. Tom, to you as well, appreciate it.

I also want to get this story that we continue to follow in upstate New York. The hunt continues for two cold-blooded killers still out there somewhere, eight days after busting out of a maximum security prison.

Police now do have one person in custody. That is Joyce Mitchell. She is the prison seamstress who allegedly helped the men escaped. She pleaded not guilty late last night to smuggling tools into the prison, including hacksaw blades, drill bits, and chisels. Those are the items that the inmates then used to cut their way through the cell walls and out of the prison. Not only did she allegedly have some kind of relationship with Richard Matt and David Sweat, her husband is also potentially connected somehow. He is under investigation. He's not been charged with anything yet. This, as 800 officers scour the area.

Miguel Marquez joins us now.

Miguel, you've been up there throughout. You've been following this throughout. We keep hearing incrementally the steps they've taken. That dogs have picked up a scent a mile from the prison. But do they have any better leads right now?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I would like to say absolutely they do, but it's not entirely clear that that is the case. I can tell you we are just up in the search area and the same area they have been searching over the last couple of days. The area where they picked up that scent about three days ago now is the same area they are concentrating on. It's just west of Cadyville, it is just south of the prison in Dannemora.

What is amazing is you get back in there as you realized that there are police everywhere. They're creating a perimeter around sort of the major roadways there, protecting people's homes. Police stay within sight of one another, maybe a quarter mile, even less away from one another. Police cars parked along away the road. The entire area then lit with those big sodium lights that they can bring in and put up. Even the fields in some cases are lit up at night. And they are even still looking and searching very hard around the prison itself, the entire town of Dannemora still very much on lockdown. You drive through there, you do a sort of three, four, five miles circuits through there and your trunk gets searched several times, but still they're not able to come up with where these individuals are.

I can tell you there's a few roads in that area just west of Cadyville though that are still locked down, still clearly an intense search there. They think that that is the best place they have to look, because that is the best information that they have so far, given that they picked up a place where they believe they slept for one night at least within the last four, perhaps five nights - Poppy.

HARLOW: And Miguel, what more do we know about Joyce Mitchell's husband? Because we know they're investigating him. We know that he also worked at the prison. But we hasn't been charged. What do they think his connection may be to this?

MARQUEZ: Well, only that maybe he knew something about it. And that may be the reason that she was arrested in such a dramatic late night fashion last night, to put pressure on others who she may have been in communication with, or may have known something of this plot. It is only possible that we understand so far that he may have known something of the plot itself. But we don't know that he had any piece in it, certainly the brazenness of it, the chance of them being able to get out of those cells and then through the tunneling, out of the water tunnels, and then up through a manhole and out and away. I think nobody believes that all of that was done on their own. That maybe she or somebody else provided them help, all those things they're looking at -- Poppy.

HARLOW: Right. And you just keep scratching your head and thinking how could no one have heard as they are sawing through metal? It is extraordinary.

Miguel, thank you.

Ahead here, new documents shedding light on the killing of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland.

Martin Savidge is there live. Hi, Martin.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Poppy. This is a huge development in the case. The prosecutor's office is releasing the independent investigation into that shooting, over 200 documents. It will be the crux of what goes to a grand jury. We'll talk about it after the break.

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[15:16:25] HARLOW: All right, this just in to us here at CNN. The (INAUDIBLE) prosecutor's office in Ohio is just releasing the results of the sheriff's department's investigation into the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice. So remember, this happened back in November of 2014. He was holding a BB gun when a rookie police officer seen in this video shot him within seconds of pulling up to the scene.

Earlier this week, a municipal court judge with no binding authority over the case stated prosecutors should move forward with charges against the officers involved. The prosecutor has said any charges would depend on the findings of a grand jury.

Let's talk about this with Martin Savidge. CNN's Martin Savidge is live in Cleveland.

So, this is a huge amount of information just coming to us from the sheriff's department after a six-month investigation, Martin.

SAVIDGE: Right. They actually say that they got the case and began investigating in January, so just shy of that. And this is the independent investigation that was requested. That's why the sheriff's office did it and even though it was a Cleveland police officer that did the shooting.

It's lengthy. We have only been able to go and look through some of the summary. And pretty much the narrative that has been laid out there is exactly what this investigation seems to confirm. And bear in mind, this is going to form the main thrust of what eventually will be delivered to a grand jury.

It all began with that day with that 911 call. One of the discrepancies that's pointed out very early is that the 911 callers, when reporting a male with a gun scaring people on a playground, says it is probably a juvenile and the gun is probably fake. That was never transmitted to the responding officers. Then we know how the shooting transpired because that was all captured on the surveillance video.

But here is a very key point. The investigation found this. According to witness interviews, it is unclear whether Officer Timothy Loehmann shouted verbal commands from inside the car to Rice prior to discharging his weapon. The officer says he did shout, show me your hands, show me your hands. But apparently this investigation so far has not been able to verify that. The surveillance video is silent and Cleveland police at that time did not have dash cams. That's going to be a crucial point for any grand jury here.

So it goes on and on and on. You do find out that after the shooting, there were multiple calls from officers on the scene asking for EMS, asking again for EMS, telling EMS emergency response step it up. They even asked for the fire department to come. They were frustrated it was taking so long.

And the other thing that's noted here is that the gun, when the other officers arrive and emergency workers are there, everyone said they thought it was real. They're looking at it laying on the ground next to Tamir. They thought it was real. These are police officers.

They also thought that Tamir was much older. He was 5'7", 195 according to the autopsy, and the responding officers and emergency crew said they thought he was anywhere from 16 into his 20s. Not until his sister showed up on the scene did that they find out he was, in fact, a child.

So it is pretty powerful stuff. The prosecutor says the reason he's putting it out there is he knows it's controversial. He believes transparency is crucial moving forward. But what we don't get is any timeline of when this is going to go to a grand jury. It did not sound by his statement it was going to be soon -- Poppy.

HARLOW: And Martin, that is what has so many people really focused on this, the fact that it's been some 200 days and the grand jury hasn't been called and then this week, the judge finding probable cause to charge these officers. But in Ohio, it is up to the prosecutor to call that grand jury.

Martin Savidge reporting for us. Thank you very much.

Also following our top story, after that initial shootout, the suspect in the Dallas police attack and standoff told negotiators that his name was James Boulware, and he said he was angry over losing custody of his son. Police began calling judges early this morning checking to see if they had ever dealt with him in court, in any custody battles. Judge Kim Cooks is one of the judges who received a call around 4:00 a.m. this morning from police checking on her to make sure that she was OK. She is a Dallas county family district court judge, and she joins me now on the phone.

Thank you for being with me, your honor, I appreciate it.

[15:20:46] JUDGE KIM COOKS, DALLAS COUNTY FAMILY DISTRICT COURT (via phone): Thank you for having me.

HARLOW: Did you oversee a case involving a custody battle over a child of James Boulware?

COOKS: I did.

HARLOW: What can you tell me about that case?

COOKS: Well, the case went to jury trial the end of April. It was a two-day jury trial. And the jury made the decision and then I had to follow up on the details of the decision. And so on June 8th, Monday, June 8th, it was set for me to sign the final order in the case and it was unusual that Mr. Boulware did not appear in court at that time.

HARLOW: What can you tell me about him? Because we know very little about this man who allegedly drove an armored vehicle outside the Dallas police department in the middle of the night last night and started shooting with an automatic rifle, and then a shotgun, shooting indiscriminately at this health care. What do you know about this man?

COOKS: Well, what I know is when he had a court appearance and when we thought that he would be in court, the security was always heightened in the building. In my courtroom, I had extra security put in place because he was always a threat to us. So we just didn't know what he would do or when he would do it or, you know, what was going to happen. HARLOW: You have said there is a long history of mental illness. Is

that something you can confirm publicly?

COOKS: Well, that is part of the public record, and that is also what his mother had stated.

HARLOW: What can you tell --?

COOKS: But he wasn't mentally incompetent to stand trial. He's very intelligent man, well-spoken man. He just tends to go in and out of snapping.

HARLOW: What was he so upset about?

COOKS: You know, you really couldn't tell. Because he would walk into court, and he would have this look on his face like, you know, when I would see him walk in the court, my heart would literally drop because he would look at you as if he wanted to kill you. And then he may be fine for one minute. The next minute, he's speaking in a rage and ranting about something that he's angry about.

HARLOW: Did you feel threatened already when he didn't show up in court on Monday? Because I know you said he made threats against me in the past.

COOKS: I did feel threatened because he had previously made threats. So I believe - and that he would carry out the threat, I just didn't know when. And you know, I think the Dallas police department and Chief Brown and all law enforcement, that they did an excellent job, but never did I think they would be the target. And I feel really bad that they were the target. I always thought that I was going to be the target.

HARLOW: What threats did he make to you, judge?

COOKS: He was going to get me, you know -- profanity.

HARLOW: You said that he -- you know what, it looks like we got disconnected from the judge there. Again, just to recap, that was Judge Kim Cooks there, who works in the family courts there in Dallas, was scheduled to have a hearing with this suspect James Boulware on Monday. He did not show up. She says he made multiple threats against her. And she also says that he has a history of mental illness. We will try to reestablish the connection with her. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back with more news in just a moment.

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[15:27:57] HARLOW: In her first major rally of the 2016 presidential race, Hillary Clinton told a New York crowd today, it is time. The former secretary of state and New York senator says now is the moment for Americans to capitalize on the country's economic rebound, and she says she has the plan to make that happen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You brought our country back. Now it's time, your time to secure the gains and move ahead. And you know what? America can't succeed unless you succeed. That is why I am running for president of the United States!

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HARLOW: Let's talk about this with Ryan Lizza. He is the Washington correspondent for the New Yorker, also CNN political commentator. He watched her speech. I watched her speech. A lot of people were there.

Ryan, she said something else. Listen.

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CLINTON: I may not be the youngest candidate in this race. But I will be the youngest woman president in the history of the United States.

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HARLOW: Ryan, we're told that that was adlibbed, that it wasn't planned. And I'm wondering what you think of that move. So different. Such a different strategy than how she ran in terms of focusing on being a woman back in 2008.

RYAN LIZZA, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, THE NEW YORKER: Yes. And I think someone in the Clinton campaign also said that was a line she heard from a voter and she was out campaigning recently and she threw it in the speech at the last second. Very big difference, because in 2008, when she ran, she did not want to run so forwardly on her identity as a woman, frankly. She didn't think that it was necessary politically advantageous. She thought the American public; there was a sort of psychological barrier towards perhaps towards electing the first woman.

And now, the politics I think have changed quite a bit on that issue. And she realizes that women, especially unmarried women, are this huge block of voters available for the Democrats. They're very important to the democratic primary even more important in a general election. And she's going to emphasize that what makes her new, yes, she has been around for a long time, but what makes her new, is that she can break this barrier and become the first female nominee of a major party and then a first female president. So I think that's the political calculus that has changed there.

[15:30:26] HARLOW: Her campaign chairman John Podesta, big name in Washington politics, told CNN quote "this will be a new moment."

Listening to her today, she really framed herself as a populist, right? There she is on Roosevelt Island, sort of hearkening back to the Roosevelts. The focus was on equality in pay, on higher wages, much more that foreign policy. Is that a smart strategy?

LIZZA: I mean, this was a speech with a lot of domestic policy as you point out and wrapped around what to do about the middle class, what to do about the stagnant wages, but almost nothing specific on foreign policy which is rather surprising for a former secretary of state. I think there will be some pressure, maybe not from voters because if you look at the polls, there's not a clamoring for these candidates to talk as much about foreign policy right now. But certainly from the press, there's some big issues that she has ducked on foreign policy that I think she needs to clarify, this issue of what to do about the international free trade agreement in Congress that just lost yesterday. She has not had a position on that. What to do about Iran? What to do about NSA spying? She has not weighed on some of these big things. What to do about the keystone pipeline? Some big important foreign policy issues that she'll have to fill in the blanks over the next few weeks.

HARLOW: And quickly before I let you go, looking at these pictures, this is the first official that at time we've seen the former president Bill Clinton and their daughter Chelsea Clinton there on the campaign trail with her.

Ryan, what role will former President Clinton play in this campaign?

LIZZA: Well, just to be a theater critic here for a second. Look at the former president there. He's wearing this white - this red polo shirt. He's very casual. I think they want him to recede to the background a little bit. Play more of avuncular figure. Not as much of a statesman who can threaten to overshadow her, but a much more of a supporting background role. He's in the going to be out there as forward as he was in 2008, some people argue to Hillary's detriment.

HARLOW: Yes. I will say that our Jake Tapper had a chance this week to interview former president Clinton. Fascinating interview. So everyone's going to be able to hear it. And it got pretty personal about him and his wife and what she has meant to him all through the years. And how he thinks she would be as president. So that is tomorrow on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Jake Tapper.

Ryan Lizza, thank you very much.

LIZZA: Thank you, Poppy. Any time.

HARLOW: As always.

And as I said you're going to hear from former president Bill Clinton tomorrow on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Jake Tapper.

While Hillary Clinton makes her pitch to voters, GOP candidates are trying to win over big, big money donors. We're going to talk about that.

But first, this. Get ready for a taste of island life with tomorrow's brand new episode of "PARTS UNKNOWN." This time Anthony Bourdain is showing us a part of Hawaii that few tourists ever see. Take a look.

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ANTHONY BOURDAIN, CNN HOST, PARTS UNKNOWN: So, Hawaii. I'm conflicted about what I should tell Hawaii because really, of almost all the places that I've been, this surprisingly is the least screwed up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

BOURDAIN: So I'm not sure what I should tell you about this amazing, multi-flavored -- I'm pretty sure Jesus does not want me to eat this. Multi-culture, awesome mash-up of cool stuff. We haven't even talked about spam in a spectacular environment. I think what I should tell you is this. Hawaii, it's awesome. Don't come here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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[15:38:14] HARLOW: Well, here is some (INAUDIBLE) shooting going on in Utah today among some big Republican names in the race for the White House. The Utah retreat hosted by one time presidential nominee Mitt Romney is giving donors a chance to mix and mingle with six White House hopefuls over the weekend, instead of stumps and photo. On top of the game was like football with Senator Marco Rubio or a little skip (ph) shooting with Senator Lindsey Graham. There is also sunrise yoga, hiking, and horseback riding.

There's also some reporting going on there. That's where we find our CNN political reporter Sara Murray. She is in Deer Valley, Utah.

Interesting, Sara, Mitt Romney last night delivering this foreign policy speech to a bunch of these big money potential donors. What's the point of this for him? Why is he doing this?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Yes, so Mitt Romney did deliver a pretty muscular foreign policy speech, a takedown of President Obama's foreign policy. Obviously, that went over pretty well with this crowd. There are a lot of former Romney supporters.

Look, the whole point of this shindig is to let a bunch of big money donors, more than 200, rub elbows and get up close to half a dozen Republican presidential candidates. But I think the big question a lot of people had here is, is Mitt Romney going to try to play king maker? And that's something we still can't tell. Mitt Romney himself said it's really tough to make a decision with such a strong Republican field. Take a look at what he had to say about the field so far.

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MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think they're probably six or seven or eight who I would look at and say that's someone where they and I agree on major issues. And they could be an effective president of the United States. And how it will sort out among those people, time will tell. What I just can't predict is who is going to star in the debates. Who is going to put in the time in New Hampshire with all of the town meetings? Who's going to visit the different counties of Iowa? And then emerge.

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[15:40:12] MURRAY: And Poppy, this is what we're hearing from a lot of donors at this event. It's really hard to tell at this point who is going to have the breakout moment. Who is going to be the shining star in this very crowded Republican field?

HARLOW: Carly Fiorina, another candidate spoke there this morning, is that right?

MURRAY: Yes. Carly Fiorina spoke this morning. She made a big buzz a couple weeks ago when she gave a speech in Iowa. I would say her speech today was a little bit flatter. Maybe it was just a breakfast speech. Maybe it was because she just got back from leading these donors on a hike up the mountain in this thin air here. But she was a little flat this morning. But even Mitt Romney said look, don't count Carly Fiorina out. She's already making waves in New Hampshire.

HARLOW: Yes, not a politician, a former HP CEO. And so talking a lot about economics in this campaign and jobs.

Sara Murray, appreciate it.

Well, coming up, our top story, the ambush of those police officers in Dallas. The gunman we're told has been killed. Police incredibly fortunate that no one else was hurt. Much more on that story straight ahead.

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[15:43:18] HARLOW: Dallas police have shot and killed the man believed to be the person responsible for launching a huge potentially very deadly attack at Dallas police headquarters. That attack included a barrage of bullets from an assault rifle and shotgun, as well as pipe bombs hidden outside of the building which later exploded. A SWAT team sniper shot the man after his armored van was cornered in a restaurant parking lot 13 miles from the site of the attack. A police robot was sent in to detonate any possible explosives in that armored man after the man was shot. Eventually that van did catch fire and burned.

Let's talk about it with former FBI special agent and former police officer Jonathan Gilliam.

It is extraordinary to see, and what they found was that there were more pipe bombs. There were two more pipe bombs at least inside of that van. This was clearly very, very planned out.

JONATHAN GILLIAM, FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Yes. I'm not sure I haven't gotten any Intel, if that was a controlled explosion or if they actually set that off, but, that was a pretty good explosion right there. So I don't know if that was them controlling that or if that was the pipe bombs, but that was a good hit.

HARLOW: So I spoke earlier this hour with a judge, Judge Cooks, who was overseeing basically a custody battle over this suspect's child. And she said that he was mentally unstable, mentally ill. She didn't go into the details. She said that he was very angry, had made threats against her. I wonder why is someone like that out on the streets and able to plan something like this if he's made threats against a judge?

GILLIAM: You know, Poppy, that's an interesting question. I mean, a lot of the way the laws are written, we can't just incarcerate somebody because they make threats. There has to be investigation and --

HARLOW: But what about surveillance?

[15:45:01] GILLIAM: I mean, yes, there could be surveillance. But really, it is dependent upon that local entity, because if it's a divorce court, that's not going to be a federal or state judge. It's going to be a local judge. And, you know, I don't know. I can't tell you exactly why they weren't looking more into this guy. Maybe they interviewed him and they deemed that he wasn't going to be a threat. I mean, I don't know. Any set of circumstances there could have led to that.

But I do think that will this country; we do need to start looking a little bit more seriously when individuals like this make a threat. I think they just happen so much, Poppy, that it's difficult sometimes to judge which one is a reality of actually being the person that could carry out something like this.

HARLOW: It's a good point, but incredibly scary. I mean, the police called this judge's home at 4:00 in the morning to make sure she was OK. She said she thought she was going to be the target.

Put us in the shoes of a police officer. Right now, there's been sort of this indiscriminate attack on their headquarters. So many shots fired. And if you're a Dallas police officer right now, trying to do your job, what are you thinking?

GILLIAM: Well, I'll tell you, it's very difficult, Poppy. I mean, we've seen all these different incidents where officers have been -- you know, like just happened not too far down the road in McKinney, Texas, where the officer was engaged in that pool party. You know, he really overreacted quite a bit. But it's hard to hit that middle ground, because this is the other extreme that law enforcement has to deal with.

You know, sometime -- most of the time, it's not just some pool party kids. A lot of the times it's people that are this violent that an officer has to go up to and actually approach. And so you see where the officer has to find this middle ground. It's really hard to actually find that in a lot of these circumstances. And I think that's where a lot of people kind of get angry at the officers because they have such a kind of a standoffish type of mentality. But you see how quickly somebody who would kill you can just pop right around the corner.

HARLOW: And how sort of methodically it appears that this was planned out.

GILLIAM: Unbelievable, yes.

HARLOW: Thank goodness that no one was hit, no one was injured.

Jonathan Gilliam, thank you.

GILLIAM: You got it, Poppy.

HARLOW: Coming up next in our American opportunity segments, the billionaire CEO who is wading into the minimum wage debate, saying how much he thinks every company in America should pay their workers. Our one-on-one with Marc Benioff coming up.

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[15:50:35] CLINTON: Prosperity can't be just for CEOs and hedge fund managers. Democracy can't be just for billionaires and corporations. Prosperity and democracy are part of your basic bargain, too.

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HARLOW: That was Hillary Clinton speaking earlier today, equality is a huge theme for her campaign. Also this week, the billionaire chairman of luxury brand Cartier says the growing gap between the rich and the poor keeps him awake at night.

During a speech this week, Johann Rupert says quote "we cannot have 0.1 percent of the 0.1 percent taking all the spoils. It is unfair and it is not sustainable."

The issue is also on the mind of Marc Benioff, the billionaire of CEO of salesforce.com. He says all companies should pay their employees at least $15 an hour. I sat down with him this week in San Francisco to talk about that debate over minimum wage in this country.

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HARLOW: You wrote an op-ed earlier saying capitalism too often becomes a race to the bottom. What do you mean?

MARC BENIOFF, CEO, SALESFORCE.COM: Well, what I mean by that is that, you know, we tend to be very shareholder focused. That's what we were taught in business school, that the most important thing as a CEO is your shareholder return, that that at some level may be the only thing that matters is the shareholder return.

I think that we're shifting out of that. I think the most important thing that matters is the stake holder return and that you have many different stake holders, each one of them has to be taken care of and that you need to rise them all up. If you're only focused on EPS then you will be sacrificing everything, your employees, your customers and your community for that EPS number. We have seen that with companies who give their employees full-time salaries and they're not able to, you know, acquire health care, they're not able to even, you know, afford rent in the city that they're doing business in. That seems to be somewhat outdated.

HARLOW: But do you have the luxury of saying that now, running a multi, multibillion dollar successful company? And what I mean by that is could companies that are trying to get off the ground, could they do that, too? Can they institute that, too?

BENIOFF: Yes. I think that you can do that. You can take whatever goal, you can put your mind to and I think you have to, actually.

HARLOW: Does the deepening income inequality, the widening gap between the rich and the poor in this country, matter?

BENIOFF: I think it matters a lot. I think it matters not just in this country but the world. And these are tough issues, very tough issues, and there's going to be a lot of hard bridges to get through on this.

HARLOW: What do you do? You just saw Los Angeles last week pass a $15 minimum wage by 20.

BENIOFF: I love that. And I think we should do that through the whole country.

HARLOW: What should it be, 15, 20?

BENIOFF: I think 15's a great place to start for the whole country. I think that, you know, that's one way to bring everybody up and it gets back to your previous question about a race to the bottom, you know. Are we just about more earnings per share or do we have bigger goals. I think you need dramatic tax reform and you need to increase the minimum wage. But you can't be giving all these folks in these fortune 25 companies' positions where they are in poverty. That makes no sense to me.

HARLOW: So why are the CEOs of these companies saying we can't afford it?

BENIOFF: I think that they can't afford it only because they are holding themselves to EPS goals that are maybe unrealistic.

HARLOW: You're saying the shareholders need to take a hit?

BENIOFF: I don't think the shareholders need to take a hit. But I think their EPS needs to be more flexible.

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HARLOW: Also major developments about an hour from now, the mayor of Los Angeles will sign a law making his city the biggest city in the country to have a minimum wage of $15 an hour. That will take effect officially by the year 2020.

Coming up next, police under attack in an ambush in Dallas. We will give you the latest.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [15:58:13] HARLOW: They are among the most threatened animals in the world. There are less than 900 mountain gorillas left in the wild and this week's CNN hero is helping save them by turning poachers into protectors.

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EDWIN SABUHORO, CNN HERO (voice-over): The first time I saw the gorilla, it was magical. I came in the park, immediately I saw a silver back. He sat right there and looked straight in my eye, I felt something that I couldn't define.

At the time I was finishes my law degree, but I felt I needed to get much closer to nature. I came to work the ranger. I was in charge of protecting the mountain gorillas. We had a lot of cases of coachers in the park. I went to talk to the families, and asked them, why are they killing gorillas? The old man looked at me and said your kids are starving to death. Would you poach to feed your family? People are trying to look for way to survive. It was an eye opening for me. So I thought of an idea of turning poaches to farmer and after that I thought I could do more here. How do we use tourism to help communities improve their livelihood?

So we built a cultural village. We can sell with tourists our local food, our traditional culture, our ways of living, Tourists can go back to the community then the communities will have an incentive to conserve the park.

I trained them how to do crafts products that can be put on the market. And that money, they take back to their families. They able to send their kids to school, buy food, start businesses. They see why they need to protect the gorillas. Now poaches were working with rangers on how to protect the park better.

The village became my life. We can't afford to fail the wildlife. We have to make sure that we have to pass it on to the next generation.

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