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[21:00;13] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN ANCHOR: Tonight, breaking news. Bobbi Kristina Brown finally moved to hospice care. She has been in a coma since

January. The question is, is her family letting her go? Let`s get started with this. Watch.

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PINSKY: She`s a fighter and she`s getting better. I`m sorry, but that is absolute nonsense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Drew, even you have to allow for the possibility of medical, say it with me everybody, miracle.

PINSKY: If she cut off her arm, are you going to pray for the arm to come back? She`s injured her brain where the cells are dead. They`re just dead.

This is not a miracle situation. The probability is zero. Not one in a million, zero.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s exactly what a miracle is.

PINSKY: Not .00001 percent, zero percent that she will come back in a meaningful way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

PINSKY: I`m very concerned that what`s going on here is not good decision- making on behalf of the patient. It`s more on behalf of the guilty and the grief of the family. If I were in Bobbi Kristina`s place and somebody

continued to keep me in suspended animation, I would come back to haunt them when I finally did die and I would get them.

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PINSKY: I swear to God, I still live by that.

Bobbi Kristina`s family says, quote, "her condition has continued to deteriorate." Shocking. "As of today, she has been moved into hospice care.

We thank everyone for their support and prayers. She is in God`s hands now."

Joining me, Areva Martin, attorney and legal analyst, Anahita Sedaghatfar, attorney of counsel to the Cochran Firm, Michael Catherwood, my "Loveline"

at KABC Radio co-host, Spirit, psychotherapist. I`ve also got Alice Benjamin, registered nurse, crucial care specialist, and Segun Oduolowu,

entertainment specialist and miracle apologist.

So, Segun -- Segun, you know, look, I don`t want to give up hope for people, but I started thinking about it today. I was like, really, can I

not practice medicine? Can I not prognosticate reasonably and make decisions on behalf of patients where it`s zero probability of meaningful

survival. You`re harming people. You`re wasting resources.

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT SPECIALIST: Whoa, Dr. Drew, I think we`re doing the Almighty a disservice. We`re looking at miracles so linear. What

if the miracle is her family now accepting that she can -- she can no longer get better? What if --

PINSKY: Wow. Hold on a second. The playing field just moved under me.

ODUOLOWU: I know.

PINSKY: We`re on a -- it has shifted.

ODUOLOWU: We`re looking at miracles -- we`re looking at miracles like they have to be -- I need this and it happens the next day. It could be her

father, Bobby Brown, who said he would never pull her off life support coming to the groups that he might be doing her more harm than good. As a

practicing physician --

PINSKY: No, no, stop. Stop. Don`t say anything else because -- because I`m completely, completely with you now.

ODUOLOWU: Yes. I -- I --

PINSKY: I`m 100 percent with you. It is a miracle when sometimes people come to accept this.

Isn`t it, Alice.

ALICE BENJAMIN, RN, CRITICAL NURSE SPECIALIST: Absolutely.

PINSKY: You and I see this all the time. Zero probability of meaningful survival and yet people waste resources and themselves can never go on with

the grieving process.

BENJAMIN: Absolutely. In this case, you know, I`m so glad to see that they family has finally decided to go with hospice. And it`s actually very much

overdue. Like yes said, waste of resources. And there`s going to be a lot of misery and suffering in this process. No, we`re going to have to wait

this out.

PINSKY: But there`s been misery and suffering for the patient. Now, thank God there`s very little awareness. But, listen, there`s something --

there`s something -- and, Spirit, help me with this. There`s something sacred about the body. And when people mistreats someone`s body by leaving

it unnecessarily on life support so it breaks down and the tissue falls off the flesh and they get infections, that their lungs become filled with

fluid and we keep treating it needlessly, to me it`s offensive. It`s offensive to that person`s body and I don`t know whatever misery they might

be experiencing, but I would not want to risk that for anybody.

SPIRIT, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, you know, though, Dr. Drew, I think it`s tough to say that, especially to a parent. When I hear you guys say a waste

of resources and some of the other things that you`re saying, it`s really harsh because what this was, was a family thinking that this was a young

resilient girl who would find her way back to consciousness. And so it, unfortunately, took them a little bit longer. But I don`t think that any

parent would want to do that and put their child in harm`s way. So I think it`s almost offensive and disrespectful to talk about them in this way.

It`s hard enough already.

PINSKY: Well, Spirit, I`ve got to interrupt, and, Areva, maybe you`ll back me up on this, but, listen, you know, we have -- we --

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY, LEGAL ANALYST: No, I think I disagree with you, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Wait, but we have limited resources in this country. We -- this is a discussion that goes on every day in every hospital in every room in this

country. What are you guys talking about?

MARTIN: You made a lot of assumptions about her body deteriorating that we just don`t know are true, Dr. Drew. And the reality as you --

PINSKY: Oh, no. Oh, no, no, I knew that they`ve passed (ph).

MARTIN: No, we don`t -- we don`t know that.

PINSKY: No, no, I just -- I can read between the lines.

MARTIN: And the reality is that people in this country have the right to make decisions about what happens with them when they suffer this kind of

injury.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes, yes.

MARTIN: Unfortunately -- unfortunately she`s so young. She didn`t have a health care directive.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: But if she was a little older, she probably would have had a health care directive that would have talked about what to happen in this

situation.

PINSKY: So -- so, Areva, you -- thank -- thank you for bringing that up. So the solution is, we all need to think about these things way ahead of time

and create directives to physicians what we want done.

[21:05:01] If somebody wants endless care, OK. You know, you want needless care. But most -- I`ve never had a patient ask for that in a long time.

MARTIN: I don`t want anyone making decisions about accelerating the death, particularly in this case because this young girl has a lot of money.

PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE). She`s already dead.

MARTIN: She`s inherited a lot of money from her mom, her celebrity mom.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: So God forbid this family that`s been fighting about her get involved and start making decisions that are not necessarily in their best

interest but in their financial best interest.

PINSKY: You`re right. No, i agree with you on that.

Now, listen, on Twitter Maria ask me a question that I think other people have on their mind to, which is, quote, "without her feeding tube and

medication, will she starve to death, will she feel pain? How long will it take for her to pass away?"

So what -- what happens in Hospice is that it means that her survival is guaranteed to be less than six months. The doctors certify that it`s less

than six months this person is going to survive. I know, Segun, it`s hard for you to imagine that we can do that as physicians, but we can. We`ve

been in these situations many thousands of times and we can predict things based on our experience.

ODUOLOWU: God bless your knowledge, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: And God bless you for saying it`s a miracle the family came around. I`m with you on that. But the fact is, what happens is, and this is -- this

is no fooling around here, is that the body, I guarantee you she has repeated pneumonias. That`s the thing that you`re always chases pneumonias

because fluids get down into the lungs, the skin breaks down, the tissue just breaks down, you get bedsores and wounds. They get infected. You have

recurrent urinary tract infections. They probably will keep the feeding tube going. They probably will keep feeding her as well. They usually don`t

withdraw things necessarily.

And rather than -- the philosophy of care being we`re going to treat and chase all these infections and problems, the philosophy shift to, what can

we do to keep this patient comfortable and dignified? How do we do that and only that, nothing else, come what may?

Mike (ph), does that make sense to you?

MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S "LOVELINE" CO-HOST: It does. It does. And we were talking about this earlier today and I -- I was, actually out of

confusion and wonderment, asking the question because I`m not particularly a religious guy. And a lot of times with cases like Bobbi Kristina`s and

other times when people say that physicians are playing God, I always ask the question, well, if you`re -- if you`re spiritual and you believe in the

afterlife and you believe that her care is now in the hands of God, which is -- which is kind of a beautiful sentiment --

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: Shouldn`t you be able to better separate her consciousness, her soul from the kind -- the meat wagon that we all call or body.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: It`s just kind of -- it`s just flesh.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: It`s just kind of rotting flesh.

PINSKY: There -- there is --

CATHERWOOD: And I don`t want to see Bobbi Kristina or anybody else`s, you know, the beauty of their soul be connected to a deteriorating meat wagon.

PINSKY: Her soul will never be back in the form in which the people understood it to have been.

CATHERWOOD: Right. Right.

PINSKY: Or they wish it could be. It will never be.

Now, Anahita, today, the conservator -- Bobbi Kristina`s conservator filed a $40 million civil lawsuit against the boyfriend, Nick Gordon. You

remember him? We were watching that kid on Dr. Phil. It accuses him of physical and emotional abuse and stealing money from her bank account. What

stood out in that case to you?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It was shocking, Dr. Drew. They`re accusing him of physically abusing Bobbi Kristina and they`re specifically

saying on the date of the incident that he assaulted her, he punched her in the mouth and knocked her tooth out.

PINSKY: oh.

SEDAGHATFAR: And they`re suggesting therefore that his actions causes her to be in this coma, and by extension if she dies, when she dies, that he

was liable for her death. But it`s interesting because they`re not suing for wrongful death. Clearly she hasn`t died yet. They`re suing, like you

said, for assault and battery. So that tells me that possibly there was not enough evidence there that would suggest that Nick either intentionally or

recklessly caused her death.

PINSKY: Areva, do you agree? You reacted there.

MARTIN: Well, yes, I reacted because I agree with you, they can`t sue for wrongful death because there is no death at this point. All there is, is

these charges of, you know, domestic violence.

PINSKY: But -- but -- but I --

MARTIN: But I`m concerned even about those because the conservator did that. And the conservator is supposed to act in the best interest of the

conservatee (ph). But in this case, we saw her talk about how much she loved Nick. So I wonder, if she had the ability, would she have filed a

similar lawsuit against him? We never heard about domestic violence when they were together taking pictures and all over social media talking about

being married and in love. We didn`t see that.

PINSKY: I wonder if Bobby`s going to say something about that.

ODUOLOWU: Yes, I --

PINSKY: Segun.

ODUOLOWU: I have a -- I have a real big problem the way you just framed that, Areva, because we didn`t hear Ray Rice -- Ray Rice`s wife talk about

abuse until she was knocked out in an elevator. We didn`t -- there are lots of abuse that happens to women that goes unreported. So because a 21-year-

old who could be in the throes of dealing with her mother`s grief for the first time in a relationship where she is getting abused, the fact that she

didn`t talk about it --

PINSKY: Drug -- drug addiction -- drug addiction on both their parts.

ODUOLOWU: I mean it doesn`t -- it doesn`t mean -- like because it was never reported, it doesn`t mean that it -- that it happened. And to piggyback off

what Anahita said, they did find her face down with a swollen mouth, her tooth missing. So, yes, I would love for them to get to the bottom of this.

MARTIN: Well, no. Let me -- let me just say this. I agree with you. Clearly lots of domestic violence happens in isolation, in secrecy, we never hear

about.

PINSKY: Typically. Typically.

MARTIN: Typically that`s how it happens. But at the same time, there are lots of cases where we don`t know. And this girl has been -- there have

been all kind of allegations about drug use. There was someone else in that home. And from a legal standpoint, to try to make the link between Nick and

Bobbi Kristina when there`s someone else in the house, we don`t have enough evidence.

PINSKY: All right. Hold on.

ODUOLOWU: But -- but common sense, drugs don`t knock your teeth out.

MARTIN: No, but there are people in the house that could have. We don`t have enough information at this point to make that connection.

PINSKY: Not only that. Sometimes when they -- when they come and resuscitate patients, we knock their front teeth out. But, Mike, you

(INAUDIBLE).

CATHERWOOD: Well, I was going to say, Drew, 100 percent of the time. Yes.

PINSKY: Sure, all the time. All the time.

[21:10:00] ODUOLOWU: But that`s a leap of faith too.

CATHERWOOD: No, but I`m just saying in our -- in our world, the world of drug addiction --

PINSKY: Of addition.

CATHERWOOD: Yes, 100 percent of the time, when it`s someone who`s not in their 90s and they`re found dead in a small body of water --

PINSKY: Yes. Oh, it`s --

CATHERWOOD: It`s -- what is it?

PINSKY: Drugs and alcohol.

CATHERWOOD: I mean every time there it`s drugs and alcohol.

PINSKY: And we`re going to continue this conversation.

And later I`m going to show you guys something caught on tape, a woman in handcuffs and leg irons, hogtied, escapes and then steals the police --

there she is biting, gnashing her teeth. She -- that girl gets out of that and steals a police car. I don`t -- I don`t know how, but there is. Back

after this.

YASMIN VOSSOUGHIAN: I`m Yasmin Vossoughian with "The Daily Share" at this hour. This is Pauline Spagnola. She turned 100 and shared the secret to her

longevity.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PAULINE SPAGNOLA: Drink a lot of booze.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was that?

SPAGNOLA: Drink a lot of booze.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drink a lot of booze.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VOSSOUGHIAN: Wowzea (ph). And that`s the statement that went viral, making Pauline an international Internet superstar after admitting that she downs

a couple of beers every single day. Her favorite local brewery in Pennsylvania sent over a few cases. Now, although Pauline`s centennial was

celebrated a couple of weeks ago, there`s nearly 100 bottles of beer on the table, so the party is still in full effect.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SPAGNOLA: I have one at noon, one in the evening, one going to bed to put me to sleep.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: She`s not asleep. She`s not asleep. You don`t wake up from something like this. You are never the same.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s understandable that they can`t come to the reality. They can`t accept the fact that maybe she will not recover. So I

say give them some time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All I`m asking for is the ability to try and --

PINSKY: But -- how long? Vanessa, how long?

[21:15:00] Twenty-four days, 50 days, 85 days, 300 days?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m glad that they`re actually taking the time to believe in miracles and hope that she gets better.

PINSKY: The probability of meaningful survival of being other than in a vegetable state, zero. I wish she were thriving. I wish she could sing

again. I wish a lot of things, but it`s not possible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Like I said, nothing has changed. I stand by everything I said. Probably day 10 I had a clear sense of prognostic ally what this situation

was and I was not wrong. She has spent almost five months in a state of brain damage from which people do not recover. They do not wake up. This is

a -- effectively a vegetative state. Bobbi Kristina Brown`s family has now moved her to hospice but for the grace of God she can be cared for in a

dignified situation.

I`m back with Areva, Anahita, Mike, Spirt, Alice and Segun.

Nick Gordon just put out a new tweet. I mean just. "We keep praying. She has fought hard this long. Don`t give up hope."

Everybody, stop with the fighting. She`s not fighting. She`s not there. People have kept her alive artificially to this point.

Alice, you know what I`m talking -- you know what I`m talking about.

BENJAMIN: Absolutely.

PINSKY: There`s no fighting here. There`s people --

BENJAMIN: Well, there is no more fighting.

PINSKY: There`s people outside doing things to her body, her poor body, to keep it sustained unnecessarily.

BENJAMIN: And now her body is making the decision to retire itself. So her body -- even though I`m not a, you know, a nurse in her care, I`ve seen

this a lot in the critical care unit.

PINSKY: Of course.

BENJAMIN: People -- you know, irreversible brain damage. We knew, like you said, from literally 10 days into this that she wasn`t going to turn

around.

PINSKY: No.

BENJAMIN: It`s not and it`s time to let go. It`s time to let the body do its natural thing and it`s shutting down. And this is going to be, you

know, unfortunately, now we have to watch this process draw out.

PINSKY: Well, no, no, listen, it`s not going to -- it`s going to be -- and I`m going to predict, it`s going to be within 30 days, probably 10 days.

BENJAMIN: But it`s painful for the family and others to just watch.

PINSKY: It can be. But, again, Hospice is -- can make it a very dignified - - I was sort of -- death can be a beautiful experience in a strange way. We`ve hidden it. We`ve made it ugly and terrible and scary. It`s a part of

life and it can be beautiful like anything else, like birth. It is a piece of life.

Now, people keep saying that Bobby Brown may -- Bobby Brown himself may not be on board with this. Don`t we have some footage of him going to the

Hospice center, controls? We`re going to put that up right now. Apparently he is at least involved here. He`s recently arrived, there he is, at the

hospice center. So he is at least on board with this, participating with this. So that`s the good news there.

And, listen, that man, you want to talk about somebody who`s got to be suffering, that man must be suffering and our prayers should be for him.

And the miracle is that he`s OK and coming to terms with this, Segun, so, thank you.

But, Anahita, really quickly, you wanted -- you wanted to say something before the break. I interrupted you. Go ahead.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right. About the lawsuit. Let`s just look at it the way it really is. It`s a civil lawsuit. It`s not a criminal lawsuit. No one`s been

criminally charged. The burden of proof in a civil lawsuit is much lower than it is in a criminal case and they`ve suing for millions. But the

reality is, he has no money. So I think if anything this is more a symbolic gesture on behalf of the family that they want to kind of --

PINSKY: They`re angry.

SEDAGHATFAR: Express what they believe to be the truth in the case.

PINSKY: MARTIN: I think the lawsuit`s very important. I don`t think it`s just symbolic. We know that the police have been investigating this since

January and nothing has happened. No one`s been arrested and no charges have been filed. So, Segun, I just want to make it very clear, I abhor any

kind of domestic violence and I`m not supportive of any way of anyone that did anything to this young girl. And I hope we find out what happened to

her. And I think this lawsuit is very important in telling a story that she was abused before her death.

But why is it taking the police so long to file charges? It says to me as a lawyer, they don`t have enough evidence.

SEDAGHATFAR: I agree with that.

MARTIN: There`s no evidence to charge Nick with her death, attempted murder.

SEDAGHATFAR: Which is why --

MARTIN: But she`s not dead.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes, which is why they don`t sue for wrongful death.

MARTIN: So let me be clear, this is why injury, assault or anything.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

ODUOLOWU: And, Areva, Tupac got killed in Vegas after a fight. They still don`t know who killed him. He got shot in front of a whole bunch of people.

The police and them finding the reason behind her being in this state, I`m not putting all my faith in the police to get to that really fast and

quickly. What I am saying is, thank goodness that she has been alive this long, that we finally come back to what possibly could have caused this. If

we had pulled the plug as quickly as everyone on this side of the room was so anxious to do and not seen the miracle of, maybe they get this guy.

Maybe this is the --

MARTIN: Whoever the guy is. I think we have to be careful about trying to pin something on Nick. And I`m not a big Nick fan, but we have to have the

evidence. (INAUDIBLE) done that.

PINSKY: Spirit`s trying to get in. Spirit`s trying to get in.

Spirit, go ahead. I`m sorry. Go ahead.

SPIRIT: You know, the family is trying to make this a legal issue, but what this is indicative of to me is someone or a group of people who are

hurting.

PINSKY: Yes.

SPIRIT: And, unfortunately, they`re trying to take the legal way. They need counseling.

PINSKY: Yes.

SPIRIT: This family needs grief counseling. They need a sense of closure. They don`t have it.

PINSKY: Yes.

SPIRIT: They`re upset.

PINSKY: Yes.

SPIRIT: They don`t know what has happened to their daughter and they just don`t know what else to do so they`re acting out.

PINSKY: Well, but, Spirit --

SPIRIT: (INAUDIBLE).

PINSKY: No, but, Spirit, they have been. But, listen, hospice, they -- they`re -- listen, everybody, hospice is so good. They`re inclusive. They

have lots of supportive care.

SPIRIT: Yes (INAUDIBLE).

PINSKY: They will provide services.

[21:20:00] Even if it`s just -- just the nursing staff that`s there at the bedside. They have skills to help with these very issues. That is their

job.

Mike, you wanted to say something?

CATHERWOOD: I was going to say, drugs can chip your teeth. This is a fake tooth because I broke it on a toilet after drinking DHB (ph) at UC-

Riverside.

PINSKY: You fell into the toilet?

CATHERWOOD: Yes. And so --

PINSKY: Good job.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: Well done.

CATHERWOOD: Pure drugs.

SEDAGHATFAR: I couldn`t tell.

CATHERWOOD: Thank you. I knew it was --

SEDAGHATFAR: It looks real.

CATHERWOOD: I have a good dentist.

PINSKY: All right, should we wrap this conversation up? Can we -- there we go.

Next up, a pregnant woman threaten to abort her unborn baby unless $1 million is raised on a crowd funning website.

Last word on Bobbi Kristina. I want to say, I`m just grateful that we are at a sane place with this. Obviously we wish that she could have come back.

I wish that, you know, this hadn`t have happened to her. But once brain cells are dead, they are dead and there`s -- you know, sufficient damage

where it was clear that had happened. You don`t want to recover from things like that. And now but for the grace of God, the miracle, the family has

come to terms with this, so she can be treated in a dignified and comfortable way.

We`ll be back after this.

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[21:25:02] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I`m a 26-year-old female and I am currently seven weeks pregnant. I have every intention of having an

abortion. But I`m giving you a chance to stop it."

So says an anonymous graduate student writing on the website pro-lifeanti- woman.com.

"On July 7th I will start accepting donations on this page. I will accept donations for 72 hours. If $1 million is raised in those 27 hours, then

I`ll have the baby, give it up for adoption and every cent of that $1 million will be put in a trust fund for the child."

And then an ultimatum.

"If the $1 million goal is not met, all donations received will be refunded and I will have an abortion."

She says she wants to make a point about the, quote, "backwards way" women are treated in this country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right, now this appears to be an anonymous young woman attempting to make a point. Back with Areva, Anahita, Mike, Spirit and

Alice.

My question is, what is her point? Does anybody get it?

CATHERWOOD: No.

BENJAMIN (ph): I don`t buy it.

MARTIN: I don`t have no point. There`s no point.

MARTIN: I think this woman is trivializing the whole issue of abortion. I am if favor of women having the right to choose whether to have an abortion

or not. But I think what she`s doing, it`s just offense to me as what elected officials and others do who try to restrict the rights of women.

I`m appalled at this woman.

PINSKY: Well, which -- which point is she -- what is she`s trying -- she`s trying to say that --

MARTIN: Get money.

PINSKY: No, is she trying to say that women are --

CATHERWOOD: I don`t get it.

PINSKY: Yes, it`s hard to get the exact point she`s making. Was she saying that women should have greater freedom to make choices? More freedom?

SEDAGHATFAR: Are you actually seriously buying this? I do think this is not some type of scam or some type of way for this woman to get her 15 minutes

of fame or try to make money. Dr. Drew, we covered a story on your show about a year ago about this medical student who was auctioning off her

virginity. Do you remember that?

PINSKY: Oh, yes. She was -- not a medical student.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes, she couldn`t answer even like the first basic question that a premed student would know.

PINSKY: Right.

SEDAGHATFAR: I called BS on that.

PINSKY: Yes.

SEDAGHATFAR: I said it was about publicity. I was right, as usual. And I suspect -- I suspect that`s the same exact thing that`s going on here. This

is -- this is a scam and she`s trying to get fame (INAUDIBLE).

CATHERWOOD: My friend asked me to borrow 50 bucks for an abortion when I was in high school. When did they become $1 million?

PINSKY: And why 72 hours?

MARTIN: Well, this is to keep the child.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: So she`s saying if you want this child to be alive, then you, the public, need to help me raise the $1 million. And I say, wait a minute, you

made the decision to have unprotected sex. And if you make the decision to have the child, then it`s your financial responsibility to care for that

child.

PINSKY: Well --

CATHERWOOD: But I`m pretty sure -- I`m pretty sure we don`t want her child to live, right?

PINSKY: Well, hold on. You think --

SEDAGHATFAR: That`s not even her point, though. She`s trying to make a political statement if this is real. But why is she doing it anonymously,

Dr. Drew? If she`s such a pro-choice advocate, speak up. Say your name. Tell people who you are.

PINSKY: Before we get into it further, I want to quickly get Spirit`s point of view and Alice`s.

Go ahead, Spirit.

SPIRIT: Well, you know, I think that this is one of the most disgusting things ever, Dr. Drew. As a mom -- and you guys know I have about a million

children. As a mother. And I am -- I will tell you that personally I am pro-life. But for other people, it is their choice about what they do and

how they do. But I honestly hope that this woman does not have this child if she is in fact pregnant because she has already decided that she does

not want the responsibility. That she has chosen a life, a human life, as a way to make a point. It`s beyond disgusting to me and it`s disturbing.

PINSKY: Alice.

SPIRIT: And if she raises the money, where is this going to go for everybody else? Is this going to (INAUDIBLE).

BENJAMIN: As disturbing as this is, she`s -- we`re talking about it. So the conversation is being had. And I think it`s important. You know, some

people want to protest. Some people will write their congressmen, their senators. Some people run down the streets burning their bras. Now, I don`t

agree with her methods, but it`s out there, we`re talking about it and it`s important.

PINSKY: All right. All right. I`ll grant you. And it`s sort of -- I want to talk to you guys about whether or not it`s extortion. But be that as it

may, I want to bring in Lila Rose. She is a pro-life advocate, president of liveaction.org. I believe I got the name right. And she says that pro-life

advocates aren`t concerned with saving lives because if they were they`d help her raise this money to save the life.

LILA ROSE, PRO-LIFE ADVOCATE: OK, first of all, everyone`s upset in the room right now. Why are we upset about abortion? Because we`re

uncomfortable with abortion. Something about abortion makes all of us uncomfortable --

PINSKY: Hold on, Areva said she`s not.

ROSE: Because we -- because --

PINSKY: Areva says she`s comfortable.

ROSE: No, Areva was upset about somebody raising money over an -- over abortion. Something about that made her uncomfortable. It`s because we

intrinsically know that this is a human life we`re talking about. We`re casually here discussing a child whose life may be at stake if this story

is true. And that disturbs us deeply. So I think that -- that`s something that we should all admit to ourselves as we continue the discussion.

PINSKY: Anahita`s angry. I mean Areva`s angry. I beg your pardon. Go ahead, Areva, have at it.

MARTIN: Well, everyone knows Areva`s very clear about her feelings and --

PINSKY: Well, have at it. Go ahead.

MARTIN: And Areva`s not at all upset about the abortion. Areva is upset because this woman makes all of us, as women, look really bad.

ROSE: But how?

MARTIN: Because -- because she`s going on a website asking people to help her raise money to care for a responsibility that she should be caring for.

PINSKY: But -- but, hang on. Let`s -- let`s -- you`re --

MARTIN: I don`t care if it`s abortion or paying your mortgage. It`s your responsibility.

[21:30:04] PINSKY: I get what you`re saying. But let`s specify what she wants to do, is put that money in a trust for the child.

SCHACHER: Right. She doesn`t want to keep the money.

MARTIN: You know what I do for any children? Go to work every day.

CATHERWOOD: That`s what I`m talking about.

SEDAGHATFAR: But she doesn`t want to keep the child and she doesn`t want to supposedly keep the money. She`s say I`ll give him up for adoption.

PINSKY: Hang on, Spirit`s out there talking. We can`t hear her. Go ahead, Spirit. Say it again.

SPIRIT: Yeah, to Anahita`s point, she doesn`t want to keep the child. She has no intention. She said I`ll give the child up for adoption and the

money will go in a trust fund for the child. She has no desire to have any connection with this child.

PINSKY: All right. Here`s --

SPIRIT: And that`s what is disturbing, that she`s chosen a life to be cast off.

PINSKY: All right, here`s what I want to do. I want to talk about whether or not this is extortion. Because it`s either extortion or blackmail.

She`s sort of black mailing all of us.

(CROSSTALK)

CATHERWOOD: It`s distortion of her method. Like you were saying, none of us agree with what she`s doing. Her methods may be off. But she`s getting

us to talk about abortion. But not really. I think we`re all in agreement that it`s not abortion that`s at the center of the conversation. It`s that

this lady is effed up. Like, really effed up. And by the way, the reason she`s anonymous is because she`s ugly. Because if she was at all

attractive, there`s like ten guys who sit at the front row of the Laker game that would pony up that money.

PINSKY: OK, well, first of all, thank you for angering all the ladies in the audience and here. The good news is, whatever this did, it did have us

bring someone in here with a strong opinion and that`s you, Lila. We`re going to get there in a second. But first -- we`re going to keep this

going, as I said.

But later, there`s a video you`ve got to see to believe. Leg irons, handcuffs, police. Well, they seem to be unable to restrain this lady in

spite of hog-tying her, which you guys can tell me whether this is OK or not, what they did, throw her in the car. But she gets out of it and

steals the car, steals the cop car.

We`ll be back to you about that after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[21:35:55] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m a 26-year-old female and I`m currently seven weeks pregnant. I have every intention of having an abortion but I`m

giving you a chance to stop it. I will accept donations for 27 hours. If $1 million is raised in those 72 hours, then I`ll have the baby. If the $1

million goal is not met, all donations received will be refunded and I will have an abortion.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: A woman posted that anonymous message online, threatening us all that she will have an abortion if we don`t give her $1 million on a crowd

funding source. And we have 72 hours to do it. It`s extortion.

CATHERWOOD: It`s blackmail for this unborn child.

PINSKY: It`s blackmail for somebody`s life, yeah.

We`re back with Areva, Anahita, Mike, Spirit, Allison, Lila. So Lila, you started telling us what your position is on this.

ROSE: Sure. Well, first of all, we were all kind of disturbed about this because you just called it a child, Mike. This is a child. She calls it a

baby on her own web site. We know that this is a human life at stake here. So whether it`s a phony or it`s true --

PINSKY: Well, but she`s making a point. And I think, behind it is, you see, you won`t raise money to save a human life.

ROSE: Well, that`s the thing. There are thousands of couples waiting to adopt, who are infertile, who don`t -- aren`t able to have kids, who want

to adopt. There are thousands of pregnancy care centers out there willing to offer free support, confidential health, pregnancy care counseling.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: But I`m not sure --

ROSE: People want to help but donating money to a website, that`s another matter.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: But I`m not sure how any of that --

ROSE: That`s the good thing. We`re talking about it.

MARTIN: What does that have to do about an abortion? The woman is trying to make the point that this waiting period gives women an opportunity to

change their minds. Now, what I think is that the these laws are trying to restrict women`s rights to have choice.

And that`s problematic. That is troubling. Because the Supreme Court decided that women, it`s the law of the land. We have the right, it`s our

privacy right to make decisions about our reproductive health. And anytime states try to restrict that, I have a problem with it.

CATHERWOOD: The waiting period you`re talking about is the 72 hours in the state that she`s in.

MARTIN: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: She has three days from the time that she first requests the abortion. So she is on her website, says that on July 7th she`ll be going

into the clinic and will have the abortion on July 10th if the money is not raised.

MARTIN: And lots of states have those waiting period. Because psychologically they`re trying to say to women if you take some time and

think about it, maybe you`ll change your mind.

PINSKY: You don`t think they should think seriously about it?

MARTIN: I think women should, but we`re intelligent people. We know if we want to have an abortion or not. We don`t need you, a doctor, telling us

we need to wait a two day or two day or even three days.

ROSE: Areva, there`s a lot of women who feel pressured, who feel like they can`t support this child, who society is telling them -- big abortion

providers like Planned Parenthood are just get on with your life, have the abortion, then you can get on with your life, finish your education, finish

your job, keep the relationship. Women feel pressured today.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: And there are lots of educated women who are making choices. There are lots of educated, smart women making the choice to have an

abortion. It`s our reproductive health. We`re in charge of it and we should be making the decisions. Plain and simple.

PINSKY: Spirit, you`ve got 97 kids. How do you feel about this?

SPIRIT: Exactly. And, at some point I will have more and I promise not to get on crowd source and ask for $1 million.

PINSKY: Thank you.

SPIRIT: We also have to talk about the fact that there are so many women who, after making this choice, never recover from this decision. And,

Drew, I know you --

PINSKY: I know.

SPIRIT: -- have dealt with women that, 10 years, 50 years down the line, they still talk about it as the regret that they did this so many years

ago. And they wish that they had made a different decision.

PINSKY: Spirit, it`s a very unpopular thing and I know you`re going to quote objective resources, objective studies that say this doesn`t happen,

there`s no post-abortion regret, or mood disturbance, but I`ve seen it like you many, many, many times.

CATHERWOOD: We talk about it on "Loveline" all the time.

PINSKY: Yeah, but let`s prepare for it is my thing. It`s like I`m not getting in the way of it. I`m just saying let`s prepare for a reality.

Anahita, you`ve been awfully quiet here. What`s going on?

SEDAGHATFAR: No, I mean, I don`t have any problem with the waiting period.

PINSKY: You have no horse in this race? What`s going on?

SEDAGHATFAR: I have no horse in this race. I don`t have a problem with the waiting period. In fact, I think that`s good and I`m definitely pro-

choice.

[21:40:00] But I think if the point of this is to just say, you know what, the pro-lifers don`t care about lives, that`s not what it`s about. She`s

doing a disservice to people that actually believe in that cause, because this just makes her look bad and it makes all of them look bad.

PINSKY: But philosophically, philosophically, Lila, what`s at the core here is what are the limits of any of our responsibilities for another

life? Not for getting in the way of somebody`s life being lost, but for sustaining a life. What are the element limits of that responsibility,

right?

ROSE: I mean, President Obama --

PINSKY: Isn`t that really what`s at issue here? Philosophically.

ROSE: President Obama has an initiative, My Sister`s Keeper, My Brother`s Keeper. We care about health care for millions of Americans because we

care about our neighbor.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: But Lila, there`s 600,000 --

ROSE: Why don`t we care about the child in the womb?

PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. Well, then, what are you going to do with this? Let me -- because I want to --

(CROSSTALK)

ROSE: We should care about them as much as we care about anyone. In fact, more.

PINSKY: I want to understand the limits. Lila, there are 600,000 frozen embryos out there.

ROSE: We should care about them.

PINSKY: What are you going to do with 600,000 people?

ROSE: Well, we should first put limits on people who are creating those lives, leaving those lives in freezers, saying that they`re just going to

abandon those lives and create 20 of them and then pick the perfect life or try to implant dozens. I mean, that`s a whole other issue.

PINSKY: It`s a pragmatic issue.

ROSE: Because there`s no regulation on --

(CROSSTALK)

ROSE: There`s no regulation on (INAUDIBLE).

PINSKY: OK, I want to hear from the constitution. Please, straighten us out.

MARTIN: Something called privacy rights, something called our right to make choices. And I`m disturbed, Dr. Drew, that you`re saying --

PINSKY: I`m not saying anything!

MARTIN: -- there`s these issues that women have after they make a decision to have an abortion.

PINSKY: I`m raising questions.

MARTIN: What a about the women who decide to give birth and all of the psychological issues that come with that when they`re not financially --

PINSKY: Or adoption.

MARTIN: -- prepared or emotionally prepared. Women who put their kids for adoption and all of those psychological issues. But if we`re going to talk

about the abortion issues, we`ve got to be fair and talk about the other issues --

PINSKY: Agreed. But let`s not pretend none of those things will happen.

CATHERWOOD: If you treat --

PINSKY: Wait, wait, Mike.

MARTIN: They happen across the board

PINSKY: Yes, you`re 100 percent right but let`s not pretend it`s all rosy one way and no problem the other. Let`s talk about the reality is all I`m

interested in.

MARTIN: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: If we trace it all back, whether you`re pro-life or pro- choice, whether you believe in this waiting period or not, the reality is, in this country especially, is more people are having babies and getting

people pregnant that totally should not be doing that.

PINSKY: I know.

CATHERWOOD: And I am the most wildly irresponsible personal sexually maybe in a 10 mile radius and that`s saying a lot, because we`re in West

Hollywood. And I somehow figured out a way to always wear a condom. And I don`t understand how this is such a problem for people to not get through

their skull that making babies is a serious deal, whether or not -- however you deal with it.

PINSKY: It was --

ROSE: (INAUDIBLE) Making babies is a serious deal. But you mentioned privacy rights for women. I`m all about, as a woman, privacy rights. But

my rights end where another person`s rights begin. And that child, they have privacy rights. That child has a right to life. Basic fundamental

human rights. And this website that a woman is putting up about killing a child within 72 hours, that disturbs us because we know it`s a child.

MARTIN: That`s not true. Because you have determined that a fetus is a child. Where the Supreme Court determined that that fetus is not a child.

ROSE: The Supreme Court never determined that.

MARTIN: It has the same legal rights -- the fetus that you keep calling a child at four weeks, at six weeks, does not have the same rights as the

five-year-old child. And it`s not fair to conflate those two --

ROSE: The Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade actually said that this whole case would break down if it could be determined that life does begin in the

first trimester. And that was before --

MARTIN: That has not been determined.

ROSE: -- the rise of ultrasound, before a lot of the things we`ve learned in the last 40-plus years. So I think we need to catch up to science, and

what science teaches us about life in the womb.

PINSKY: Well, if science shouldn`t determine when life begins, I think that`s kind of a spurious --

ROSE: Science does.

PINSKY: Well, but -- it`s a little spurious. And I think their philosophy may help us.

Now, listen, we`re --

CATHERWOOD: OK, in the first trimester, if you took that fetus out of the body, is it OK?

PINSKY: No.

MARTIN: No!

CATHERWOOD: Then it`s not a baby.

PINSKY: But should life be determined on the basis of what our ventilator science is able to provide for a fetus? That`s what`s at issue. And

that`s why a discomfort with science to finding life.

But we are not going to solve this problem today. We are not going to solve it. We`vre tiptoed into it because of that I think bogus post. I

agree with Anahita -- and I will give Anahita one thing, she is always right about bogocity (ph). She can sniff that out anywhere.

So I`m going to imagine that`s a bogus site that`s up there trying to make a point. It`s gotten us talking about this in a way that I think is

reasonably productive. A lot of you feel good. I wouldn`t have had you here otherwise had this one not had this post. And Areva, I heard you loud

and clear. I`m interested in what`s real. So let`s try to stay with that.

Now, speaking of what`s real, we`re wondering how a woman in restraints escaped, there she is, how that woman escaped all of that and stole a

police car.

CATHERWOOD: Meth.

PINSKY: Well, meth is -- it looks like meth to me too. But I don`t know; I don`t know her. But was able in spite of that, got out from under the

cops, got out of the chains, stole the car. Back after this.

[21:44:42]

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix" where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook and Instagram feeds. I`m back with Areva, Anahita

and Mike. And Areva, stop cracking up there. I know Mike was messing with us during the commercial break. What have you got?

MARTIN: Well, I have to get serious because I have a terrifying video that`s gone viral with over 2 million YouTube views.

CATHERWOOD: Oh, this is - Oh, this is awful.

MARTIN: Three west point band members are drumming away to celebrate Flag Day in midtown Manhattan. Unfortunately, several yards away is an ax

throwing demo with the co-host from -- not this show -- but the morning cable show "Fox and Friends." Watch this. Now the drummer --

PINSKY: They`re watching.

MARTIN: Watch it. Watch it. Watch it.

(VIDEO OF AX STUNT GONE WRONG)

(GASPS)

MARTIN: He doesn`t hit the target.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: It hits the guy on the other side of the wall.

MARTIN: The drummer, a father of five. Thank God he`s fine.

PINSKY: Why do they have a talk show host throwing an ax?

MARTIN: He wrote on his Facebook page that he suffered a few cuts but because the blade struck him on his broadside, he was spared a serious

injury.

[21:50:03] I mean, that looked really --

PINSKY: That could have been an ax in his skull, I mean, easily.

MARTIN: Father of five. He`s OK. That`s the good news.

CATHERWOOD: Oh my gosh.

PINSKY: You know, you think when people are carrying weapons and knives, there`s all kinds of, you know -- especially in front of cameras.

MARTIN: This is a talk show host. Not people, though.

PINSKY: No. But I`m just saying, they have a major liability. The guy is out in public throwing a sharp object.

CATHERWOOD: We can`t even do concert ticket giveaways.

PINSKY: What I`m saying -

CATHERWOOD: How the hell is this guy throwing an ax?

PINSKY: Right. Mike, what have you got?

CATHERWOOD: Jeez Louise. Arnold Schwarzenegger, we all know a couple years ago, Arnold Schwarzenegger fathered a child secretly with the housekeeper.

Today on Howard Stern, he discussed, you know, the fallout from that and therapy with he and Maria, his wife at the time. Check it out.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

HOWARD STERN, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Did you seek out therapy or anything like that? Any kind of personal help?

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, FORMER CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR: Yes, uh, we did, Maria and I, and it was the biggest mistake I`ve ever made.

STERN: Really?

SCHWARZENEGGER: Because that guy was so full of (expletive deleted) -- I have to tell you that he said more crap and more nonsense that was

absolutely, totally counterproductive to our future relationship or -- in any hope to get together or anything like that. I mean, it was just

nonsense talk.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Wow. I love Howard. I love Arnold. But I guarantee you what happened was the therapist was confronting Arnold on his defensiveness and

his narcissistic sort of shield and the narcissists are not happy with that. I don`t know Arnold Schwarzenegger, I know he`s a narcissist, but I

know when people attack narcissistic defenses, they get very unhappy.

SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, Arnold went on to say in the interview, though, he said the reason he had such a problem with it is because his marriage fell

apart because of a mistake he made and this therapist wanted to keep talking about feelings. And he blamed all of this on him and his mistake

and no one wanted to focus on that. That`s at least what Arnold said in the interview.

PINSKY: Wait, so Arnold said, I did this, this is my fault, this is all on me?

SCHWARZENEGGER: Yeah.

PINSKY: But the problem is -- I guarantee you -- the therapist was going after is Arnold didn`t want to feel anything about it. He just wanted to

just - I take it, I got it, let`s move on. I did it. I did it. Blame me. OK. Let`s go.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well now he wants to blame the therapist for doing his job.

PINSKY: Yeah, listen -- I have great admiration for both of those men, so this is not to be critical, it`s just the way humans are. That`s all.

CATHERWOOD: Baba Booey.

PINSKY: Baba Booey indeed. OK, Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: OK. You`re going to be specifically offended at what happened here, Dr. Drew. So a man in Virginia is talking to his doctor, he`s about

to undergo a colonoscopy - fun -- so he hits record on his smartphone so that he can play back the doctor`s post-surgery instructions. On his way

home, he hits play and he realizes that the entire surgery was recorded, including the surgical team`s conversation. Listen to this.

PINSKY: Oh no.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ANESTHESIOLOGIST: And really, after five minutes of talking to you in pre- op, I wanted to punch you in the face and man you up a little bit.

MEDICAL ASSISTANT: When I was putting his IV in, he`s like, "I always pass out when I look at the IV."

ANESTHESIOLOGIST: Great. Well, why are you looking then, retard? Round and round we go, wheel of annoying patients we go. Where it`ll land, nobody

knows.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Wow. That`s pretty harsh stuff.

SEDAGHATFAR: And it gets worse. So they also talked about his penis --

PINSKY: It gets worse?

CATHERWOOD: Are they talk about his butt hole?

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes -

PINSKY: Listen, I`ll tell you what. I`ve always wanted to do a show where we looked at back stage behavior of clinicians and sometimes it gets a

little unsavory. People are blowing off steam. It`s a very stressful job and they have to watch themselves.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right but -- He`s under anesthesia. I mean, this is just so egregious, it`s unethical.

(CROSSTALK)

CATHERWOOD: Wait -- They`re talking about his penis? Go ahead. Let`s hear about this.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yeah, so they start saying stuff about how there`s the potential of contracting syphilis, tuberculosis and Ebola. So ultimately,

the man sued for defamation and medical malpractice and last week a jury awarded him half a million dollars and they got it right. They awarded

punitive damages. And I don`t think any of these doctors should be licensed to practice, Dr. Drew. This man was under anesthesia and they`re

sitting there having these -- They`re talking about falsifying medical records, they`re talking about him having STDs.

PINSKY: Really? Oh my god.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yeah. Totally unethical.

MARTIN: They wrote that he had hemorrhoids and he didn`t.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: Listen, people have got to watch themselves. In this day and age, forget just not doctors, everybody.

SEDAGHATFAR: You`re being watched.

PINSKY: We`re all being watched -

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: -- but I will say it`s a good thing. It holds - Let`s check ourselves. Be accountable.

CATHERWOOD: Colonoscopy. Is that a good time?

PINSKY: I`ve been there. It`s not so fun. Next up, I`ll show you what happens when - Yeah, but by the way, if you`re over 50, every seven to ten

years, you that done because there should be no one getting colon cancer in this day and age.

This woman, handcuffed, hog-tied, she gets away, steals a cop car. I`ll get into it after this.

[21:54:30]

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Police in Arkansas are trying to figure out how a driving-under- the-influence suspect restrained, handcuffed, leg irons, hog-tied, was then able to escape and steal a patrol car. That`s what happened, everybody.

There she is being tossed in the back of the vehicle, hog-tied. And yeah - looks a little -- And then after a four-mile chase, she flipped the car,

then tried to take an assault rifle from a gun rack in the vehicle. Is this -- This is not the cops chasing control, this is cops chasing after

her, or is this her - Yeah, they`re chasing after her, she has the assault rifle. Police used a Taser -- There`s the car she rolled. Police used a

Taser then to subdue her. Yeah. I mean, an empty bottle of whiskey was found in the cop car. So she was swilling JD while -- or something --

CATHERWOOD: Oh my god!

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: -- while she was in irons, driving a cop car with the cop`s assault rifle.

CATHERWOOD: I`m in love.

SEDAGHATFAR: Mike`s hero.

MARTIN: What was she charged with? That`s the question.

PINSKY: 15 charges, DUI, criminal mischief, theft of property. Oh, I`m sorry - Was it her personal car she ended up in? No, come on. She was

drinking in the personal car, not in the cop car. That`s what I got wrong.

CATHERWOOD: Either way.

PINSKY: Either way, there`s plenty going on here with this young lady. And Mike, you and I stiff a little meth in there maybe, too. We`re just

saying.

CATHERWOOD: Guarantee it.

PINSKY: That`s what`ll do that. DVR us, then you can rewatch that video any time. Thanks for watching.

END