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Calais, France - Front Line in Migrant Crisis; Heat Wave in Pakistan Kills More than 800; WikiLeak Documents Reveal NSA Spied on Three French Presidents; Migrants Say U.K. Has More Opportunities than France; Families Reject Apology of Boston Terrorist; Charleston Massacre Victim Lying in State
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[15:00:09] HALA GORANI, HOST: Hello everyone, I'm Hala Gorani, we are live in Calais where Europe's migrant crisis has come to a dramatic head.
We'll have a lot more today on the desperate and illegal measures these migrants are taking to try to find a better life in Britain.
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GORANI: We are also joined this hour by Michael Holmes with the rest of the day's important news including Michael an important development in
Boston as the official death sentencing of one of the Boston marathon bombers. Michael over to you. We'll have a lot more from here in just a
moment.
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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hala Gorani, thanks to you and we'll get back to you when we can.
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HOLMES: Meanwhile we want to bring you up to date on the man convicted of carrying out that brutal attack of course that terrorized the city of
Boston telling a courtroom that he was sorry for what he did just moments before the judge sentenced him to death.
We're waiting for family members to speak by the way and that's what that live picture is there in front of you now. When the family members come
out we will bring it to you live of course any minute now we're expecting to hear from some of the survivors family members to come out and speak a
reaction.
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HOLMES: There's also anger from France. We're going to be bringing you that story as well over those revelations that the United States may have
spied on three French leaders. We're going to be covering that and much more.
But first we do want to bring you some more on that breaking news. The Boston marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev apologizing in court to the
victims and the survivors of his attack.
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HOLMES: He did address the court during sentencing and he said this "I would like to now apologize to the victims and the survivors. If there is
any lingering doubt I did it along with my brother. I am sorry for the lives I have taken. I ask Allah to have mercy on me and my brother and my
family."
We'll have a lot more on that a little later.
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HOLMES: Meanwhile let's take it back to Hala standing by there in Calais. Hala?
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GORANI: All right Michael we'll get back to you of course with the rest of the day's top stories including those important developments in Boston.
Let's bring it back here. We have spent the day here and this is another truly another frontline in a migrant crisis in Europe. We're seeing of
course over the last several weeks we've been used to seeing very dramatic images coming to us from the Mediterranean of desperate migrants who say
they have nothing to lose making the dangerous crossing.
But here in Calais for several months if not years now we've seen this story develop and a strike of ferry workers yesterday created a situation
where more and more migrants were able to take advantage of stalled traffic and try to jump on cars stuck in traffic on their way to the Channel Tunnel
trying to make it to Britain.
This has created a lot of frustration on both sides of the channel and of course it has highlighted the desperate situation of some of these migrants
who are willing to risk it all for a better life in Britain.
The U.K. Prime Minister in Parliament today addressed the issue saying that some of the scenes here in Calais were unacceptable. Listen to David
Cameron.
DAVID CAMERON, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: We've been looking at whether we can put more personnel and indeed sniffer dog teams on that side of the channel
to make a difference. And there's also more work being done in terms of installing fencing not just around the port at Calais but also around the
Eurostar and Eurotunnel entrance. All these things can make a difference and we should work with the French very closely. There's no point either
side trying to point the finger of blame at each other. This is a strong partnership that we have in place and we should keep it that way.
GORANI: All right David Cameron there saying there's no point in blaming anyone in this but you're going to be hearing from a top level official
here in Calais very much blaming the U.K. side for not doing their part he says in this migrant crisis saying after all all the people especially in
this camp gathered here behind me called the Jungle in Calais, are here for one reason and one reason only and that's to make it to Britain. David
Cameron reacting to some very dramatic pictures we saw yesterday and we were able to witness as well today migrants jumping onto moving vehicles
doing everything they can to try to cross the channel into England.
Take a look at what we were able to report today.
Running after trucks on a busy highway. Migrants storm a road in Calais making a desperate dash for open vehicles to hide in. A police siren
sounds disbursing the small ground and with batons officers force them off the trucks.
[15:05:13] Chaos and desperation just a few hundred meters from the entrance to the Channel tunnel. Most of the migrants here are from Sudan,
Ethiopia and Eritrea and all say they have nothing left to lose.
You're willing to take the risk to jump on one of these trucks?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
GORANI: But it's dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes it's dangerous because of (inaudible) when we die, I hear I am going to die (even).
GORANI: The attempts to hitch a ride almost seem pointless at times trying to open the doors of cars loaded onto a truck. These two men apparently
wondering if they could fit under this vehicle.
The desperation we see here is leading people to try just about anything to make it across. He'll jump on board the (inaudible) but some will actually
hold on to the under carriage of the vehicles.
They say they'll do anything because Britain holds the promise of a better future, something they tell me they are just not finding here in France.
25 year old (Zaeed) is from Afghanistan. Why do you think life is better in England?
(ZAEED): Because England give more opportunity because you can work there. In France you cannot work.
GORANI: Lorry drivers here are largely patient. We saw them calmly inspect their vehicles for clandestine passengers. But this man whose
truck was overrun by migrants.
(UNIDENTIFIED MALE): GET OUT.
GORANI: Was in no mood to carry an extra load today. Inside migrants come out from every corner. The driver bangs on boxes with a metal crowbar,
others emerge but did more climb onto the truck than came out? Hard to say.
Amid all the chaos moments of humanity, a driver hands a migrant a bottle of water and gets a thumbs up as a thank you.
Today authorities have started building a fence near this makeshift camp to keep illegal migrants from storming the highway. Eventually it will be
several km long. But until then these scenes will be routine.
The ferry strikes on Tuesday highlighted a crisis that's been ongoing here for years. In the distance men lie flat on the roof of more trucks. Will
they make it? Will they get caught? Either way they're willing to take a life changing risk to find out.
Well there you have it the desperate situation that so many migrants face and many of them spend the night in this makeshift camp behind me called
the Jungle in Calais. It's got no running water of course, no electricity even though the City says it's spending millions of euros and that it will
hook up this camp to some sort of water supply.
Calais and city officials here are saying they're left to shoulder all of this alone. That the U.K. is not contributing enough even though migrants
ultimately want to end up there. And that other European countries they say are not contributing and helping enough even though Calais is a small
city with very high unemployment and problems of its own.
I spoke to the deputy mayor of this city, Philippe Mignonet and he has been pointing the finger of blame squarely across the channel. Listen to him.
PHILLIPE MIGNONET, CALAIS DEPUTY MAYOR: Well it's a problem for our city because first of all we have (inaudible) of that all the time. When you go
on the internet just type in Calais, you only find about migrants where we as a city are not responsible for them. And most of the time when we talk
to migrants they all say the same, they want to go to England and our British friends are now becoming more than hypocritical. Because they say
it is your responsibility where they know that migrants being there wants to go to England because they can work on the black market easily
(inaudible) need paperwork.
GORANI: So you're saying Britain is not doing enough to contribute to solving this issue? Is that fair to say?
MIGNONET: Britain is not doing anything at all. They said we're giving 12 million pounds to France. France not Calais. To France to sort out the
problem. They are putting fences along the port. It is a bit of a solution but you can't put fences up to where (inaudible) those people are
still leaving their countries and as long as they will leave their countries we will see that.
The English government is saying you are in the (inaudible) space, that is your problem. But they would be in the (inaudible) space, oh we won't be
in the (inaudible) space. It doesn't change anything.
GORANI: So what would you like Britain to do then?
MIGNONET: Assume their responsibilities.
GORANI: I'm sure you're having conversations with your counterparts as well.
[15:10:09] MIGNONET: Oh they are (inaudible). What England - The English Government has to take their responsibilities now. We know that England
wants in Europe only the best from Europe. So either they come into Europe with the (inaudible) space or they leave Europe.
They can't carry on like that saying no we don't want this. And again sorry to say so but being hypocritical. We don't want immigration in
England but we accept .
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HOLMES: . going to interrupt there to take you to Boston where some of the family members and spokespeople for the families impacted by the deeds of
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his brother are now speaking, let's listen in.
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LYNN JULIAN: He went on to give a sort of Oscar type speech thanking the judge and the jury and thanking his legal team and those who couldn't be
here and his family for testifying and making and I quote "making my life easy for the past two years."
We our lives have been anything but easy. And our lives will never be the same again. I live a block from finish line and my neighborhood has
changed forever.
He threw in an apology to the survivors that seemed insincere and just thrown in because he was supposed to and then ended again with Allah
talking about leniency implying that we should now be lenient to him because Allah says so. And I just was unaware that he would get up and
just say whatever he wanted and that's the law. And I regret having ever wanted to hear him speak because what he said showed no remorse, no regret
and no empathy for what he's done to our lives.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you spell your name?
JULIAN: Lynn Julian, L-Y-N-N J-U-L-I-A-N.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where were you standing when the bombs went off?
JULIAN: I live a block from the finish line so I was at the first explosion and I have a traumatic brain injury, permanent hearing loss in
both ears, and a back injury and the worst of all is Post Traumatic Stress because .
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think he should get the death penalty or what?
JULIAN: I don't think that either of those things are going to change anything for any of us. It's never going to bring back our old lives. I
lived in perhaps a false bubble of security that I would go to all the Boston events just like so many people and never feel unsafe, never worry.
And now we feel like we're the police. We are the judge and jury of everyone around us grading their safety level and how much threat they
might cause us at any given time, just riding the (inaudible). And I'm never going to look at Boston or the world the same again and none of us
are. Because they took so much more than innocent people's lives. They took our sense of security, they took our sense of safety. We can never
leave our homes again and just take a walk without wondering and judging everybody else that walks by us.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you think he spoke today?
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SCOTT WEISBERG: So I would like to speak. My name is Scott Weisberg, I'm one of the survivors as well, and I'm from Birmingham Alabama. I am a
family physician and I specifically came up today to tell my story. I, as a family physician, have hidden and invisible injuries which most of the
media are not aware of. Those injuries for me are bi-lateral hearing loss for which I wear hearing aids, I've been wearing them since August of 2013.
I also have a mild traumatic brain injury. In addition have PTSD as well. And part of today for me was to explain what it's been like to live with
for the last two years, these injuries to all of you I look completely normal. But inside I have significant injuries that I've been living with
and going through. And as a physician and having to go through the struggles of getting diagnosed and having to convince medical professionals
what it's like to have injuries and to seek the proper care. Part of my treatment has been to make the public aware and also to be an advocate for
other survivors. So one of my goals and missions ever since this - since I've been diagnosed which took me 16 months to get my diagnosis is to be an
advocate for other survivors and for other future events where if somebody has a hearing loss or brain injury where do they go? How do they get care?
Where do you - so that they can be treated effectively right from the beginning.
[15:15:23]: And that is one of my main purposes for being here today in this courtroom and coming from Alabama.
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WEISBERG: So I was surprised that he spoke. I think most of the survivors were that he spoke today. He said that he was remorseful I find that hard
to believe since I've come to a lot of the trial and never really saw that at all from him.
It really does not change anything for me because what he took from me I'm never going to be able to regain, nor what he took from my family, nor from
any of us as well.
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WEISBERG: I think he spoke because people were sort of expecting that from him. Since the - everybody during the trial was commenting on him not
making any comments and his lack of remorse and no facial expression so this was that one last moment for him to kind of just put things aside.
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WEISBERG: I don't think he was genuine but .
HOLMES: We're going to leave that there some emotional testimony from victims of the Boston bombing hearing there about the impacts of hidden
injuries, non-visible if you like injuries things like Post Traumatic Stress and traumatic brain injury even hearing loss we're hearing there
from the gentleman speaking right now. And crucially and we want to bring in CNN's Deb Feyerick now who is outside the courthouse.
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HOLMES: What was telling there Deb is that they're not buying this apology. They're saying yes we're not buying it, you didn't mean it and it
doesn't change a thing.
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's exactly right because it was such a long time coming. You have to remember jury
selection began back in January.
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FEYERICK: The trial began in March, it was 10 weeks, 150 witnesses and never during that time did Dzhokhar Tsarnaev show the remorse that now he
says he has.
What he did do is when he stood up to give his statement he cited the fact that it is Ramadan, Islam's holiest month and he talked about the fact that
in fact this was a month in which hearts change. He also said that he admitted guilt "the bombing which I am guilty of if there's any lingering
doubt I did do it along with my brother." And he apologized to the survivors and the victims saying "I'm sorry for the lives I have taken."
And then he gave a long pause Michael then he continued "the suffering I have caused, the damage I have done." And again he paused.
It did appear that he was reading from a prepared statement and he gave this statement in what sounded like sort of a heavy Russian Arabic accident
which is interesting because his wrestling buddies told me that when he was in high school he had no accent. He sounded like a perfect American as a
matter of fact.
So it was very dramatic and even more dramatic Michael was the impact statements of some of those amputees who were inside that room. One of
them said you know I came here to give a victim impact statement. She said "let me be clear I am not someone's victim, not yours, not your brothers"
and then she really just speaking directly and defiantly to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said that the weapon of mass destruction failed because it was
meant to divide, instead it united everybody who was in that courtroom. We do know Michael that he is going to be sent to Terre Haute, Indiana. It's
the same prison facility where Timothy McVeigh was incarcerated before he was executed.
Little was said about any sort of appeals. One of the - one of the victims or one of the people giving a statement said just don't - don't do it so
that we can all move forward together in peace.
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FEYERICK: So very dramatic moments inside that courtroom and the judge; we can't forget the judge Michael because the judge essentially said in order
to justify the acts (inaudible) have had to "redefine what it is to be an innocent person. Well it was a monstrous self-deception the judge said,
you had to forget your own humanity." Very powerful moments inside that court, Michael.
HOLMES: Just horrible, horrible, the emotion of it and the visceral nature of the reactions of those so impacted by what he did.
I'm curious in the court his demeanor itself, the sort of you know attempt if you like of some sort of contrition. Did he even look at the judge?
Did he make eye contact with anyone else in the courtroom.
[15:20:14] FEYERICK: Well the one thing he did, and this is something he did not do during the trial, is when about two dozen victims and family
members and a lot of the victims like to be called survivors. A lot of the survivors and the family members of those who did die, he looked at them
for the first time and he even said that he had listened to their testimony, that he learned their faces, he learned their names.
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FEYERICK: And he called some very good souls. But he was looking towards them. That was the first time I've ever really seen him directly facing
some of the people who he essentially harmed so seriously, so gravely. We saw a lot of prosthetic legs inside that court but also hope.
One of the young women who testified who had an amputated leg she actually was wearing this summer sandal and had painted the plastic toes on her leg
a sort of very beautiful color of coral so hope, strength and a lot of people saying Dzhokhar Tsarnaev took away the lives, that they knew, they
could never go back and they will have to live with that every single day. Michael?
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HOLMES: Extraordinary strength of character and bravery from those people. Deborah Feyerick, in Boston our thanks to you.
All right, you're watching the World Right Now. We're going to take a short break, much more to come though when we come back.
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HOLMES: Welcome back everyone. Well as precious moments tick away for Greece there are signs that major divisions remain for that country and its
creditors.
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HOLMES: Eurozone finance ministers met today in Brussels but no real advances. No deal has been done despite the hopes. Nearly $2 billion
payment to the IMF by next Tuesday, that's what Athens need to do and this deal would have unlocked that. But no deal reached. Talks will resume
though tomorrow morning.
Now according to reports creditors think Greece's proposed reforms rely too heavily on tax increases and not enough on spending cuts.
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HOLMES: Let's get more on what progress may have been made today, and there wasn't much of it Tadhg Enright following this story from London. He
joins us now. You know Greeks want to stay in the Euro but their leaders are pretty defiant at the moment by the sound of it.
TADHG ENRIGHT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes that's right but of course they think that they've gone farther than even many of the people
who voted the Greek government in would have wanted them to do. Back on Monday they issued this new set of proposals aimed at breaking the
deadlock.
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ENRIGHT: Saying that they would do things like changing pensions, hiking tax on sales and corporations in an effort to break this deadlock, save
more money and achieve a renewal of the bailout program, make sure Greece has money to keep itself afloat. But that's all been broken up.
[15:25:13] This was supposed to be the event when the politicians got together and talked together and talked about the nitty gritty that the IMF
and European Central Bank would have been trawling over the numbers over the last few days. But the IMF weighed into this today, only today, saying
that Greece's proposals yes they save money but they were saving money in the wrong areas and they weren't sustainable.
And the Eurozone ministers, finance ministers got together this evening supposed to rubber stamp what the European Central Bank and the IMF had to
say but there's nothing to talk about, nothing to rubber stamp. That's why those talks have broken up now. It's the third summit in the space of a
week. You can understand that tensions are high, tempers are frayed, people are very frustrated but they're all going to have to get together
again tomorrow and hope then that they actually have something to talk about.
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HOLMES: So is there a hard deadline on all of this? One hopes that there's not a moment in the immediate future where everyone says OK we're
done, that's it we're over.
ENRIGHT: Well all eyes are on next Tuesday Michael, and that's because that's the day when Greece has to repay 1.6 billion euros to the IMF.
Right now it hasn't got the money to do that because all its previous bailout money has been suspended while this deadlock continues.
The hope was that they could achieve some kind of a deal tonight that could be signed off by the various prime ministers or European countries tomorrow
and then that would go to National Parliament.
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ENRIGHT: Since certain Eurozone countries under Greek parliament all with the view to getting this deal done in time for Greece to get the money to
make that payment on Tuesday.
Now it looks like we're wasting precious time. This is going to be pushed -- this stage in the process has been pushed back a further day and it does
raise the stakes in this game.
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HOLMES: It's a torturous process. Tadhg Enright, thanks so much there in London for us.
Well the U.S. Government changing the way it responds to the taking of American hostages overseas after months of input from hostages' families.
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HOLMES: President Barack Obama announcing his new directive today in Washington. Authorities will no longer threaten families with criminal
prosecution if they pay ransoms. That has been the situation up until now.
The Government itself won't be getting into the ransom business though maintaining its policy of no concessions to terrorists.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I firmly believe that the United States Government paying ransom to terrorists risks endangering more
Americans and funding the very terrorism that we're trying to stop. And so I firmly believe that our policy ultimately puts fewer Americans at risk.
At the same time we are clarifying that our policy does not prevent communication with hostage takers by our government, the families of
hostages or third parties who help these families.
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HOLMES: Long lines at the capital building of the U.S. State of South Carolina as mourners said goodbye to Reverend Clementa Pinckney.
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HOLMES: His body lying in state at the capital. Pinckney died in last week's massacre in Charleston besides being the pastor of the Emanuel
African Methodist Episcopal Church where the mass shooting happened, he was also a state senator.
21 year old Dylan Roof has admitted killing the clergyman and eight others in what is an act of hatred it would appear against African Americans.
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HOLMES: All right, we to send it back now to Hala Gorani, standing by in Calais where there is plenty of concern about the migrant issue. Hala,
back to you.
GORANI: Yes that's all, we're going to take a short break and after the break we are going to look at the record number displaced people around the
world reaching critical levels.
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GORANI: And how many roads lead to Calais as so many migrants desperately try to cross the channel into Britain.
We'll have a lot more from Calais, after this. Do stay with us, this is The World Right Now.
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[15:32:29] MICHAEL HOLMES, HOST: Welcome back, everyone. I'm Michael Holmes, and this is what is happening in the world right now.
The British Prime Minister, David Cameron, vowing to strengthen border control at the French side of the Channel Tunnel. This, of course, coming
after scenes like these in Calais - migrants clamoring on board trucks to try to get into the U.K. - something Cameron has described as unacceptable.
He also criticized Italy, saying it must do more to document people landing on its shores.
A leak of top-secret U.S. government documents has sparked allegations of National Security Agency spied on three French presidents, including the
incumbent Francois Hollande, as well as his two predecessors. U.S. President, Barack Obama, calling President Holland to say that U.S.
practice will end.
Families of the victims of the Boston bombing attack have rejected the apologies of the man convicted of carrying out the attack. Before being
sentenced to death, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev telling the court he was guilty and that he was very sorry for what he did.
Mourners are lining up to say goodbye to the Reverent Clementa Pinckney. Now, his body is lying in state at the capitol building in the U.S. state
of South Carolina. Pinckney died last week in that massacre in Charleston. He was a state senator as well as being pastor of the church where he and
eight others were gunned down.
CNN, as you have seen, is live on the ground in Calais tonight with Hala, following migrants desperate to cross the English Channel and enter the
U.K. illegally. Now, for most of these people, their journey started thousands of kilometers away. Many of the migrants head to Libya where
they board rickety boats to cross the Mediterranean Sea.
Egbed Moshe (ph) explains how one people-smuggling ring launches from Libyan shores.
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EGBED MOSHE (ph), CNN: You've seen where the victims of this continental trade and misery end up - in boats adrift, on beaches drained of life. But
here expose how the smuggled find themselves in this hell.
A CNN producer stumbles into a Tripoli meeting with a smuggler who thinks she is a Syrian looking to bring more Syrians to cross to Europe. She uses
her phone to secretly record his offer.
SMUGGLER: the final, final price is $1000.
CNN: Each?
SMUBBLER: usually we do Syrian for $1500, $1400 or $1300.
SMUGGLER: if you have a group with you like 10 people, you get a discount. For every person you bring you get a $100 discount. If you brought 10
people you get one free ticket. Everyone knows about this discount.
MOSHE (ph): He insists they use satellite phones, GPS, new motors and a pilot who isn't Libyan, but Senegalese.
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Nick Painmore (ph) there on Libya's peoples' smugglers. We'll take you to Greece now. Isa Soares introducing us to a migrant who endured the journey
to end up stranded in southern Europe.
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ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT AND ANCHOR: At the abandoned Captalias (ph) Hotel in Kos, life isn't what it used to be - at least not
for its new guests. Here amid all posters that attracted travelers the world over is an image that inspires little today.
Migrants sleeping on stained, used mattresses with no electricity or basic sanitation. It's here I meet Sultan Musaffi (ph) and his family who have
been sleeping, living and dining on the hotel veranda for 10 days and counting.
Amid the playfulness with his daughter, this Afghan father hides a life full of sorrow and hardship.
SULTAN MUSAFFI (ph), AFGHAN FATHER: I remember when I was so little - when some group come around our house and with the guns.
SOARES: He was only six years of age back then. But Sultan (ph) remembers it like it were yesterday.
MUSAFFI: If it don't go out from this land, you will kill all of your children - your wife, your sons.
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HOLMES: That was Isa Soares reporting there from Greece.
Well, Germany is a popular destination for some who migrate further inland from the Mediterranean coast. But Carl Penhall tells us seeing asylum in
Germany is no easy task.
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CARL PENHALL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Golden Star (ph) guest house is long since faded. It's now a (INAUDIBLE) migrant hostel deep in southern
Germany.
Modachmed's (ph) baby is named Lucky. She was born shortly after her mother landed in Italy after days adrift in the Mediterranean.
MODACHMED (through translator): Seven days of water.
PENHALL: Seven days of water?
MODACHMED (ph): Yes.
PENHALL: And - and how was - how was the boat?
MODACHMED (ph): Small, plastic.
PENHALL: Twenty-nine people - seven different nationalities - live at the hostel. Some, like Albanians Madio and Donna Sadeko (ph) are requesting
asylum, even though they came in search of jobs - not fleeing war or persecution.
DONNA SADEKO (ph), ALBANIAN MIGRANT: My aim is to - to make better life - to work together. For my soul (ph) I need good life. All life is like
this - go, come, go, come.
PENHALL: Only about a quarter of migrants who seek asylum in Germany are successful. But that's still more than anywhere else in Europe.
MADIO SADEKO (ph), ALBANIAN MIGRANT: Life in bingo.
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HOLMES: Life is bingo. Carl Penhall reporting there and from southern Germany. We wanna bring you now back to northern France where those others
are looking to press on even further. That's where we find our Hala Gorani who's been there throughout the program - joins us now again live.
Hala, just sort of tell us why so many migrants are there in Calais. What is the draw of the U.K. to them?
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HALA GORANI, CNN HOST: Well, many of them have sort of mythologized the U.K. One migrant from Darfur told me he was convinced that, if he just
made it to England, he would get free housing. He'd get a job. He'd be able to work.
He says that here in France migrants are treated badly. You can see in the camp behind me that they call the jungle here in Calais - really squalid,
terrible conditions. Someone has to wonder what is it that they left behind that they think, having moved here and spending months on end here,
is a better deal for them.
They're really absolutely convinced that moving to Britain and finding a way into Britain will guarantee them a better life. There's also a very
real situation on the ground concerning the job market in Britain where migrants who make it across have an easier time finding employment on the
black market. And that is something that French officials say here is the major draw.
And French officials in Calais, in particular, are saying that is why you are the magnet - the United Kingdom. And, so therefore, you should
shoulder some of the burden of this migrant crisis, Michael.
HOLMES: And - and Hala, as we watch the pictures that you shot today - and, of course, this - this camp - the presence of these people in Calais -
(INAUDIBLE) the U.K. - that's been around for a very long time. It's just grown in - in recent weeks and months.
It just seems extraordinary to me - when you talk about the squalor of those camps - the conditions that these people are in - and you see
migrants swarming onto trucks. What are the French doing about it? Why can't something be done to give these people somewhere better to be?
GORANI: Well, their argument here in Calais is we're doing everything we can. The deputy mayor told us - he just confirmed the figure, in fact -
that three million euros has been earmarked to better this camp - to hook it up to some sort of water supply. But, over the last year, this is what
it's cost them to just to be able to keep this terrible situation going.
So, they're saying they're doing all they can, and they need more support from other European countries because this migrant crisis does not start
and stop in Calais. It starts, as you mentioned and we saw from our great reporting from our correspondents around Europe - across Europe - that it's
in Greece. It's in Germany. It's in other parts of Europe. These desperate migrant crossings across the dangerous waters of the
Mediterranean, for instance.
So, they are saying they're doing what they can, and they need more money and assistance. But then, off camera, he told me, look, this problem will
not be solved fundamentally until it is solved in the countries of origin. And we know what the Syrian civil war - that has increased the number of
displaced people around the world.
So, immediate measures - by way, I am standing in a hole here on this cliff overlooking the camp - because this is exactly where officials in Calais
are going to be erecting a fence. They've already started on the other side of this highway to try to keep the migrants from storming this
highway, where so many of the lories (ph) end up backed up on their way to Britain as they wait to cross the Channel Tunnel. So, that's just one of
the measures as well.
But it fundamentally - will it solve the problem long-term? Many people doubt it.
HOLMES: Extraordinary things. Hala, as always, thanks for your reporting there - just amazing to see that going on there in Europe.
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HOLMES: Let's turn now to Pakistan. We've been reporting in recent days on the heat wave there. Well, now more than 800 people have died in that
heat wave, and that number is expected to rise. Now, one hospital alone in Karachi has treated more than 7,000 people in the past four days.
And relief centers are being set up now trying to distribute water, salt tablets and other signs - methods of relief . We gotta warn you that some
viewers are gonna find this next report very disturbing. We did. CNN Saima Mohsin went to a morgue in Karachi and sent in this report.
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SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Six hundred and fifty bodies alone have been brought to this morgue on the outskirts of Karachi. It's not run by
the government. It's run by a charity, and it's suffering with power outages and extreme temperatures.
A lot of the bodies have been waiting outside because there simply isn't enough room inside this morgue. I wanna take you in to show you the extent
of the problem. There is a putrid, pungent smell.
This is the largest morgue in the city, and bodies have been piling up here since Saturday. It's really hard to stay inside here.
One of Karachi's major hospitals - chaos and commotion. This young child has just been brought in the last few minutes since we've arrived.
Patients are coming in continuously. And, in fact, we've told that, since the heat wave struck over the weekend, 8,000 people have been brought to
this hospital alone. They're being put on drips. They're being given cold compresses - cold towels
But the hospital is in a bit of a state. It's struggling to cope. There is blood on the ground. The doctors are doing their best, but they really
are struggling. There are people everywhere. And the majority of them have been brought in suffering from heat stroke.
Volunteers and even the military and paramilitary forces have had to step in to support this fully supplied, fully equipped government hospital.
Saima Mohsin, CNN, Karachi.
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HOLMES: You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Coming up next on the program - with friends like these, who needs enemies - after another
document leak. I'm gonna be joined by a former CIA analyst to ask him why the U.S. doesn't stop spying on its friends.
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[23:55:57] HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone, to the program. There are fresh accusations that the United States has again put one of its closest
allies under its gaze - this time France. The French foreign ministry summing the U.S. ambassador demanding answers to allegations contained in
leaked, top-secret documents showing that the NSA spied on three French presidents, including the incumbent Francois Hollande. The French, not
surprisingly, are furious.
But the U.S. has already begun a major effort to cool tensions with a call from the U.S. President, Barack Obama, promising to stop it from happening
again. So, in the end, just how damaging are these kinds of incidents? To help us answer that question, let's bring in Bob Baer. He is an
intelligence and security analyst with CNN - also a former CIA operative. He joins us now live from California.
Great, as always to have you on, Bob. I mean -
BOB BAER, FORMER CIA OPERATIVE: I don't know why.
HOLMES: - a part of me just wants to say not surprised. This - country's - are you hearing me, Bob? I just wanna check.
OK, Bob, try again. You can hear me, yes?
BAER: I've got you now, yes.
HOLMES: All right. We're just having a little bit of technical difficulty there. But we do have you now.
It - it - there is no real surprise here, is there to you that the U.S. was doing this and that friends spy on friends? But what sort of damage can be
done by something like this coming out now?
BAER: Well, I think both the French and we know that the - we've been spying on each other for years. This goes back to the Second World War -
you know, the end of the Second World War. Even in the '90s there was spying going on. The French were spying on our embassy in Paris, and we
were spying on them.
The fact that it's been made public is an embarrassment for both sides. We can cut this off. But, you know, it's not exactly like the French and the
Americans are on the same playbook in terms of the Middle East - and especially Iran in this nuclear deal. And there's a lot of suspicion
between Washington and Paris, you know.
But I think now that this has been exposed this graphically - it'll probably come to an end as the president's promised.
HOLMES: Yes, and I - I suppose (INAUDIBLE) there is no real shock. It's more diplomatically embarrassing than politically damaging perhaps. But
give us a sense from, let's say (ph), the CIA point of view, what is it that they're looking for from a country like France?
BAER: Well, they were listening to cell phones. And I think the French know better than anybody not to talk about secrets on cell phones. I don't
think any good intelligence was gotten out of this. You know, maybe got (ph) some titillating stuff. It's nice for the National Security Agency to
walk into the president and say we're listening to the French president's phone. But getting good intelligence I really seriously doubt it.
So, this is all sort of - I think this is a tempest in a teapot. It's gonna go away. But you can tell the French are furious about this. And,
again, this is another setback to American intelligence.
HOLMES: Yes, from the WikiLeak's scoops that we've - we've seen before - the French it would appear have known for years that they're being spied
on. I think one intercept mentioned it. One intercept that came out in these documents mentioned that they actually knew about it.
But also the Germans - and we've - we've seen also the Brazilians, the Mexicans - they're all angry at the U.S. Do you see a fundamental damage
being done to U.S. intelligence capabilities by these leaks, or do you think everyone knew about this anyway? The public might not have. But all
the governments did.
BAER: I think all governments suspect that their telephones are being listened to. I mean the Russians certainly do it. A lot of other
countries do it as well. And we all warned inside the government not to use a cell or a computer linked to the Internet. It just - it's not safe.
And the heads of state know this.
I think what we have to look is at the Snowden links - I've never seen a leak like this ever in the last 40 years I've been dealing with
intelligence. I mean it's been so damaging. It's been so extensive. It's hurt the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency to
this extent.
It's - it's what it really quite extraordinary, and it's not gonna help us at the end of the day.
HOLMES: Bob Baer, thanks so much for your expertise on this. Appreciate you joining us there.
Well, coming up some final thoughts on that crisis plaguing Europe. We will be live once again in Calais, France. We'll talk to Hala about what
she is seeing in the port city - port city that has become a flash point in this issue.
Please stay with us. We'll be right back.
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[23:57:21] HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone. We have taken you live to Calais, France, throughout the hour tonight. As you have heard, it is a
type of limbo of sorts for those people so desperate to reach the U.K. - so desperate they will brave the sting of teargas, try to get onto moving
trucks and get themselves on an illegal ferry ride across the English Channel.
It all seems so close and, in terms of kilometers, it is close - under 50 kilometers between the French flashpoint port city and the British cliffs
of Dover. Hala Gorani is in Calais tonight.
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You know, Hala, I'm curious. They're trying to get onto these trucks. And they're trying to get across that way. It makes me surprised in a way that
some of them haven't been doing it by boat. It really isn't that far. What - what are they telling you - these - these migrants so desperate to
get to the U.K. about what they're willing to do to get there?
GORANI: Pretty much anything, Michael. I asked some of the migrants are you really, really willing to risk your lives to make it to the U.K.? And
they said, look, we have nothing left to lose. In fact, when you see the images of migrants jumping onto trucks, jumping onto moving vehicles - they
really only have the clothes on their backs. They're not carrying anything.
This is all they've got. Often times, they don't have family with them as well, because they've left them behind. It's really men that you see here
in the camp, because young, healthy men are able to make this very difficult, long and arduous journey. And they leave their families behind.
Often times, those who have more means will try to pay people smugglers to make their way across the channel. But, of course, it's an entire network
of people smugglers across Europe. It's not just from Calais to the United Kingdom. It's all the way from southern Europe to here and eventually, if
they succeed, to Britain, where they're convinced that there's a better future for them because they tell me it is easier to find work on the black
market. It's easier to get government assistance and that, here in France, this is something that they're just not able to do, Michael.
HOLMES: Yes. It's extraordinary those truck drivers too not knowing who's in the back or who's getting on the trucks. You're gonna be doing more
news gathering in Calais tomorrow. What more do you hope to bring us then?
GORANI: Well, you see the camp behind me. It's called the jungle. Now, this is one of many incarnations of the jungle. This part of France -
northern France - has seen some (INAUDIBLE). Many of our viewers - of our viewers were (INAUDIBLE) over that. That was dismantled. Then other
jungle-type camps have been erected. Finally, it's materialized into this - really a terrible living situation for people here.
We're going to go down - already today we've established some relationships with some of the migrants - just to see how they live day to day and what
they're willing to put up with. Some have lived here for several months. We're also gonna talk to some of the local residents as well about how they
feel about what's going on in Calais, their city, Michael. We'll have all that tomorrow for you on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
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HOLMES: Yes, and we look forward to that, Hala. Just an extraordinary scene and great to have you there reporting on this first person for us.
Thanks, Hala. Hale Gorani there in Calais. An extraordinary scene as we saw there - just literally dozens - hundreds of people there in one of the
- one of Europe's most famous port cities doing things like this - opening up the backs of trucks, climbing aboard, trying to stow away on vehicles to
get across to U.K. where they feel that they're gonna have a better life than they do there in northern France.
As we say, extraordinary for the truck drivers too and to many people extraordinary that, while police are there - and you see them in that image
there - they're unable to stop these migrants from trying to clamor aboard those trucks and make that journey through the tunnel to England -
extraordinary. And Hala will be there again tomorrow for us on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thanks for watching. I'm Michael Holmes filling in for Hala here in Atlanta. "Quest Means Business" is
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