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Aired June 27, 2015 - 19:00 ET
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19:00:17] POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Thanks so much for being with us.
We begin tonight in Upstate New York in that manhunt for convicted murderer David Sweat. The search intensifying after his fellow prison escapee was shot and killed yesterday by police. Twelve hundred law enforcement officers from different agencies are scouring a 22-mile perimeter in Upstate New York, looking for Sweat.
They have set up road blocks. They are looking at each and every car in and out of the area. They are also using helicopters, infrared devices, planes, you name it. But a law enforcement source says there have been no sightings of sweat yet and no bloodhounds picked up on anything either.
He and Richard Matt escaped from prison now more than three weeks ago. Police also say that Matt who is a convicted murderer was armed with a shotgun when he came face-to-face with officers yesterday. When he refused to drop the weapon, they shot and killed him. Authorities believe Sweat and Matt stuck together while on the run and with Matt dead, they hope to close in on Sweat.
Let's get the latest on the search. Our Alexandra Field joins us from Malone, New York, where the shootout went down yesterday afternoon.
What is the sense you get, Alex, from the authorities on the ground there? Do they think they have Sweat contained?
ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, the fact that they have not moved the parameter is the best indication we can get, because in the weeks that we have been covering the search, you'll see them routinely sort of shift that search area. The fact that they found Richard Matt in this area is as good a lead as any they have or have had on David Sweat's potential whereabouts, which is why they have stuck to what they are calling it a hard of parameter, the line of sight parameter encompassing these 22 square miles.
We just have seen a shift change, Poppy, meaning that more law enforcement officers are coming in for these evening and night search hours. We're expecting that we'll see the helicopters overhead again tonight as they were last night, they can use that infrared technology, that heat-sensing technology which they hope could potentially bring them closer to David Sweat, but the fact here remains, that this is the deeply wooded, deeply forested area that we've been talking about, a search of it is incredibly difficult.
And I spoke to the Franklin County sheriff who says that finding David Sweat could ultimately come down to him making some kind of mistake.
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SHERIFF KEVIN MULVERHILL, FRANKLIN COUNTY, NEW YORK: He has been on the run for three weeks and he is tired and he's fatigued and he's hungry and he's going to make a mistake, and once again, those calls that we get in, those leads that we get in from the public, you know, I'd been saying it right along, it's something like that that's going to tip this case, and it was calls yesterday that helped to lead us to where Matt was.
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FIELD: The Franklin County sheriff says that over the last few days, they estimate the fugitives, if they were together, were only moving about a mile or two a day because of that ever expanding parameter in the Franklin County area. Law enforcement authorities believe that the men they have been cognizant about and literally bumping up against that parameter now, Poppy. They feel that the pressure will really be on him to stay in one place potentially.
HARLOW: You know, was this mistake that Richard Matt made by coughing and giving up his identity and firing a shot at a camper that led them to him, and I wonder if they were working on the assumption he was trying to carjack in that RV, getting it sped away, or why he would shoot at something in broad daylight?
FIELD: Yes, Poppy, that is that a theory, why would you shoot at a moving camper. It's not something law enforcement officials are publicly confirming that would be the motivation, and that it wasn't. You know, there is some disconnect in terms of the fact that the driver of that camper wasn't even aware he had been shot at until he was six or seven or eight miles away so it doesn't sound in any way like Richard Matt had actually approached him, getting close enough to actually carry through a carjacking, but investigators rally have not answered the question of why he fired those shots.
We might not ever have the answer, that tactical team taking Richard Matt down. But it was those gunshots, that shot at that RV was one of the elements that set his killing into motion.
FIELD: All right. Alexandra Field, on the story for us, from the middle where that manhunt is intensifying. Thank you for the reporting, Alex. Appreciate it.
I do want to turn overseas now, where people in three different parts of the world are dealing with the aftermath of three separate shocking terrorist attacks. In North Africa, tourists are cutting their vacation short and fleeing a popular beach report one day after a man sprayed a beach with bullets, killing 38 people, 16 of them Britain citizens.
One tourist telling reporter she is leaving immediately.
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[19:05:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are always watching over your shoulder just to see what's what, I have to keep him next to us -- that's no holiday. And there is no point in staying here another week if we're keeping him by our side, that's no holiday for him, no holiday for us.
REPORTER: Will you be coming back?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
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HARLOW: ISIS is claiming the shooter in Tunisia was one of their own.
Our Nick Paton Walsh is live in that town of Soussa in Tunisia.
Nick, we see these large crowds gathered behind you. They were a bit louder, sort of protest a few moments ago. What's happening?
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is a display of unity by locals outside the scene of Friday's massacre behind me, the Imperial Marhaba Hotel, obscured by this truck just now, but we have seen a candlelit vigil and substantial chanting and large numbers here, a bit I think to reverse the sense of loss and fear about the future of the tourist industry in this particular town.
But we, ourselves today, tracked down the family home of gunman here, the one gunman here deep in the art of Tunisian countryside.
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WALSH (voice-over): Even murderers come to say good-bye. That's what Saif al-Rezgui seemed to do here at his family home on Thursday, and his uncle recalls nothing different about him, just a normal regular visit to his parents' now being questioned by the police. But he does identified in the picture ISIS released when they claimed the attack. He loved only studying, he says.
Neighbors stunned of what became of the boy that loved dance class at school. He used to love soccer, one says, always him and his father playing in front of the house.
He couldn't have done it, another says. It's like some radicals kidnapped his mind.
(on camera): The owner of the coffee shop didn't want to appear on the camera, but described Saif al-Rezgui, he worked here for a matter of weeks in August last year, was punctual and hard working, like so many people in sleepy town, struggles to reconcile the person he knew were the monster that police say. Saif al-Rezgui went on to become in Soussa.
(voice-over): His Facebook page beginning in 2010 with Eminem, and after he moved north to study in 2011 soon filling with Islamist videos. This says, if jihad is a crime, then let the word witness me being a criminal.
But still, they insists here, as they let us into their home, no includes of what would follow.
Nothing here either, but perhaps nothing his family lived on, sharing this small room, father, mother, sleeping on floors, his cousin did not want her face shown.
COUSIN (through translator): It's a catastrophe. You never think it can happen in your own home.
WALSH: This small word from which a cold killer emerged, now public and under scrutiny and made victims of his own family, too.
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WALSH: Now, Poppy, an important point to make here, while ISIS claims responsibility and, in fact, the image of the gunman, that their statements contained identified by Saif al Rezgui's uncle at that house you saw just there, we still don't have any official from the Tunisian authorities about what militant groups he had links to, if any, and the saw suspicion points towards ISIS, and evidence across the border from here in Libya. But we just don't know where investigators have gone to at this stage, Poppy.
HARLOW: Nick, tell me about the spirits of the Tunisian people. After that horrible massacre just a few months ago at the museum there and now this attack on another tourists hot spot, there was so much hope after the Arab spring, and Tunisia was this bright spot of hope after Ben Ali was ousted, and now, it seems like things are crumbling around them.
WALSH: Well, certainly, the protests behind me is for Tunisia to show the bright side that many hope it would have. Now, you may be able to see able to see behind me on the ground the candlelit vigil that's been put in evidence, a number of candles burning there, and that's the protest here. I think this is a city, a sleepy coastal resort, frankly, that never deemed it would have to debate how much armed security it would need to have to keep the tourists, it depends on the economic life blood here, and it's facing that question.
After the museum massacre in Tunis, we saw similar protests. There's clearly a part of society that's nationalistic, that's waving the Tunisian flag, that wants answer the frankly mindless violence of Saif al-Rezgui yesterday with something more positive as a message.
[19:10:12] The question is, can that leave out over the random violence a group like ISIS is willing to try and perpetrate here. We see people in the streets, thousands, perhaps, and that's not going to change perhaps because of a fear of many people who are debating they should come to this town as a holiday resort or vacation resort, whether they are now having second thoughts and that could damage the economic life of the people behind me trying to show unity right now, Poppy.
HARLOW: Nick Paton Walsh, live for us in Soussa, Tunisia, tonight -- thank you, Nic.
One more note from overseas, a horrifying scene breaking out at a water park in Taiwan. Something suddenly catching on fire, exploding, some sort of a flammable powder, very disturbing images as you see, people running, running out of the flames. It's happened at 8:30 at night.
The casualty figures are stunning, 470 people injured at this hour from the explosion and the ensuing fire. People used floats from the water park as makeshift stretchers to carry victims to ambulances. The mayor of New Taipei says it is the worst mass injury ever in his city.
Coming up next, the desperate search for a very dangerous man. Is there any chance David Sweat will surrender? We will talk about that next.
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HARLOW: It has been more than three weeks now since the two inmates pulled off a brazen escape from the Clinton correctional facility in Upstate New York.
[19:15:05] Now, one of them is dead and one still on the run and authorities are hopeful they are closing in on him.
Matthew Horace is here with me. He's senior vice president of FJC Security Services, also former ATF executive. Also with me, Jonathan Gilliam, a former Navy SEAL and former FBI agent.
Guys, thank you for being here.
When we talk about the hunt for David Sweat, a local sheriff saying he is alone, he is desperate, he's exhausted and fatigued and hungry and he just needs to make a mistake. How hopeful are you they are going to get him?
JONATHAN GILLIAM, FORMER NAVY SEAL: I think we are both very hopeful and I think the biggest mistake was the fact they left that cabin. The second biggest mistake was yesterday when for whatever reason, Matt decided to shoot at this car, pinpointing where they were at and leading officers for the first time directly to them.
HARLOW: So, what do you do with the working theory, Matthew, that they were together, that's what the authorities believe until yesterday when Matt was killed and now no scent trail or eyes on him. Are they working on the right theory, do you think, that they were indeed together?
MATTHEW HORACE, FORMER ATF OFFICIAL: I think they are absolutely working on the right theory. I think the emphasis and the numbers of people up there show us that they are following the leads just as we have the last several weeks. They wouldn't be putting these kind of resources into the event at this rate if they did not have good information.
HARLOW: But we were sitting here last Saturday when the search focused on 300 miles away. Is it odd to you, Matthew, that there is no scent trial?
HORACE: No, it's not odd because a lot of things could impact whether dogs can pick up a scent, and it could be environmental, weather and wind. But one thing is for certain, after what happened yesterday, we know that the investigators had been going down the right path over the last several weeks and hopefully that path will continue to take us to Sweat.
HARLOW: Jonathan, take us into the mind of someone in the situation that just lost his partner -- assuming he knows he lost his partner in crime, somebody who clearly it seems did not have a plan B, when Joyce Mitchell didn't stop to pick them up, seems like they did not have a plan B because they were within miles of where the prison was.
What's the mindset like?
GILLIAM: In order for people to understand what this guy is facing right now, and let's take what we were discussing a second ago. You know, I went to gym today, I had a hard workout and now I am sitting here knowing I will have sore legs tomorrow. If you took me and put me in the woods right now, my problems are not that big and it's just surviving.
This guy has been on the run for two weeks. He has 1,100 officers looking for him. He's now in an area where he has no food, no water, and the weather is deteriorating quickly. So, his stress level versus a normal person sitting on their couch watching TV right now is so high, on top of that he has 1,100 men hunting him. So, he is desperate right now.
HARLOW: When you look at somebody who has nothing to lose, right, this is a guy, David Sweat, he was in prison for life, Matthew. This is someone who now if he even gets back to prison he will be there under worse circumstances, I am sure none of the privileges he was afforded beforehand, this is someone who you think is Casey Jordan was telling me last hour doesn't go back to prison, someone who dies rather than get arrested again?
HORACE: Well, from a law enforcement perspective, we really don't care. We were prefer that he'd give up.
HARLOW: Don't you care to know the information from him? And they don't ever want to shoot to kill.
HORACE: Well, we want the information, but what we don't want to happen is for him to hurt somebody else or hurt a law enforcement officer. Our information right now is that he may be armed and now we have the very best of the best. We have the U.S. Marshal SAG and the FBI HRT and state police tactical team. They're taking their time to hunt down Mr. Sweat.
HARLOW: Jonathan, talk to me more about that how -- your mind frame changes if you are on the ground searching for him knowing his accomplice in all of this was armed?
GILLLIAM: Sure. One thing we talk greatly about and we rehash over and over again, when it comes to tactical movements is violence of action, that's the first thing, in other words, it's controlled aggression. The other thing is we are constantly looking at hands.
So, this area is so thick, as you walk through, you may end up walking up on him and he is this close. You immediately have to look at hands. You don't have time to look at his whole body. You want to concentrate on the hands and that's where a threat is where a weapon will be held.
If there is a weapon there, this guy is a fleeing felon, he's murdered before, and if he is armed, you don't have time to wait and talk him out of it. If he pulls a weapon up it's a bad day for him.
HARLOW: What does it mean, Matthew, for Joyce Mitchell in prison awaiting trial for allegedly helping these guys break out of prison? What does it mean for her whether or not he is killed or whether or not he is caught alive and could possibly testify against her?
HORACE: Well, you know, you can look at it both ways. Number one, if he is caught alive, he has no incentive to talk to police. He was in for life before, he's going to be in for life now, he has no incentive to talk.
[09:20:03] She's got to be concerned, very concerned that we catch him alive and that he turns on her or other people involved with the correctional facility.
HARLOW: Right. Because they can make his life in prison even worse, they can do that.
HORACE: Well, he is not going back to Clinton. He is going back to a much more dire straits this time.
HARLOW: All right. Gentlemen, thank you very much. We'll see. We'll continue to follow this, and it was a broken moment last night finding out that Richard Matt was shot and killed by police. Jonathan, Matthew, thank you very much.
GILLIAM: Thank you.
HARLOW: Coming up next, turning to politics, Donald Trump getting strong support in the latest polls after announcing his run for the highest office in the land. Also, why Jeb Bush may want to keep a close eye on his newest competition.
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HARLOW: Donald Trump has been on a roll since jumping into the presidential race.
Take a look at this new CNN/WMUR poll from New Hampshire. Trump holding to a strong second to Jeb Bush in that poll, 11 percent to 16 percent for Bush. Also, take a look at this FOX News on the other side, what it show. He's only 18 percent of registered voters think Trump is a serious candidate.
Donald Trump will be our Jake Tapper's guests on "STATE OF THE UNION". That is 9:00 a.m. Eastern tomorrow morning.
Well, the political response to yesterday's Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage has been quick from both sides.
[19:25:02] At the White House, President Obama remarked about the speed of change we've seen in this country, from the first same sex marriage bans to this decision.
But the timeline also included a personal change for this president.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: At a certain point, I just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think that same-sex couples should be able to get married.
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HARLOW: Do you remember that moment, an interview with Robin Roberts on "Good Morning America" back in 2012 the first time we heard the president vocally support same-sex marriage, and then, of course, we heard his reaction yesterday after the high court handed down its ruling.
Let's go straight to White House correspondent Sunlen Serfaty. She has more on the political reaction on both sides.
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SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Poppy, we have seen at several gatherings, some promising to push for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Here's Ted Cruz in Iowa today.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: And for those who say that decision yesterday was the law of the land, it is fundamentally illegitimate. It is wrong. It is not law and it is not the Constitution.
SERFATY: But there are other Republicans like Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham who are against any sort of amendment to the Constitution, and they are bracing a much more inclusive tone.
Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee was asked what he thought of the White House being lit up in gay pride rainbow colors last night and he took a swipe at President Obama for his evolution on this issue. In 2008, then-Senator Obama was against same-sex marriage. It wasn't until 2012 where he came out for it.
MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If he so radically changed his view and now he believes that same-sex marriage is the best thing that could happen to this country, one of three things is true. He was either lying 2008, he is lying now, or God rewrote the bible and Barack Obama is the only one that not the new edition, and I don't think that's what happened.
SERFATY: Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton had her own evolution on the issue, and she called for Republicans to drop it as a talking point.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am asking them, please, don't make the rights, the hopes of any American into a political football for this 2016 campaign. LBGT Americans should be free, not just to marry, but to live, learn and work just like everybody else.
SERFATY: The Democrats, of course, will continue using this ruling to try to rally their supporters. But for Republicans, it's more of a delicate dance. They are trying to remain appealing in the eyes of the conservative voters, but also mindful of the general election and needing to appeal to a broader group of voters, especially those younger voters, the majority of whom who are in support of same-sex marriage remain illegal -- Poppy.
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HARLOW: Sunlen, thank you very much. Well, of course, the Supreme Court decision handed down yesterday goes beyond politics to the street of every community, the homes of Americans, the pulpits of our nation's churches, and that includes the Bridgeway Community Church in Columbia, Maryland.
Earlier I had a chance to speak to the pastor and found you are of the church that does not agree with the decision but offered this to those that do.
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DR. DAVID ANDERSON, FOUNDER/SR. PASTOR, BRIDGEWAY COMMUNITY CHURCH: Congratulations to those who are celebrating something new and progressive for them. Of course, as a spiritual leader of a church, there's always differing opinions, right?
So, when it comes to legality, that's different than morality.
HARLOW: So, let's talk about one of the things you wrote. You wrote in the wake of this decision, quote, "Love is the highest Christian value and all of us are called to it regardless of our politics."
ANDERSON: Absolutely.
HARLOW: What did you mean with that and do you agree with the decision?
ANDERSON: Well, love is the highest Christian value regardless of one's color, class, culture or even their gender, right? So we want to make sure that we stay at that level beyond the smaller disagreements that we might have. Even moral disagreements that we have or biblical disagreements we have, we still have to understand that you have to have grace and truth. But most of all, the number one value is love.
So how do we love people who may have a different opinion or different view of our morality? You've got to start with the way Jesus did it. And that is he serves them, he loves them, and he opens his arms to everyone.
HARLOW: Will you be marrying gay couples?
ANDERSON: Now, that I won't do because that violates my convictions of the Scriptures. So, I live in Maryland, right? My church is in Maryland, Bridgeway Community Church. So, I met with Governor O'Malley before it went legal in Maryland. I said, just make sure that I'm protected and that religious freedoms are protected, and he did. So, I'm OK with that.
HARLOW: Yes, I'm interested in whether - we are hearing from some who really oppose this vehemently. So many support it too. But some that oppose it are pushing for really the only thing that could potentially change this state-by-state which is a constitutional amendment to put the power back in the state's hands. Are you someone who wants to see that or are you saying, "Look, this is the law of the land. Now, I may not agree with it but I'm not going to push to change the constitution."
ANDERSON: Because there's a difference between legality and morality, I would not say, "You know what? Let's legislate morality." Listen. It's the law - it's the law of the land. Guess what? You used to have to kill people because of adultery or because of other moral behaviors that you didn't agree with. We don't do that today. And so, my goal is not to stop anyone who disagrees with my biblical views to not be able to enjoy the life that they want to live in a secular country. This is not a - this is not a Christian nation. It's a secular nation, right? And so, people who are atheists, people who are from different religions or people who are of my same faith - a Christian - but they don't even believe the same thing I believe - guess what? They should be able to live freely just like me. That's what makes America beautiful, right?
HARLOW: That was Pastor David Anderson. Thanks to him for joining us. The Pastor at Bridgeway Community Church in Columbia, Maryland.
Well, coming up next, he has been in the wilderness on the run in upstate New York for 22 days. David Sweat trying to evade police, desperate now. But how long can he keep this up? Next, we're going to talk to a survivalist about what it really takes to survive in thick wilderness.
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HARLOW: Police in upstate New York are hopeful that they have contained the escaped killer David Sweat within a perimeter near the Canadian border, but they also admit they do not have eyes on him and their dogs have not picked up his scent at all.
Meantime, the body of fellow escapee Richard Matt has been transported to Albany for an autopsy after he was shot and killed. Police say he refused to put his hands up after they cornered him in the woods yesterday. He was shot by a border patrol team and that means that Sweat is out there alone in the wilderness with 1200 officers trying to find him.
Joining me by phone, survivalist Shane Hobel.
Let's talk, Shane, about this. I mean, this is what you do for a living. You teach people how to survive with little to no food or water in the middle of the wilderness under very tough conditions. Assuming David Sweat is out there right in that area in upstate New York in the Adirondacks, what are some of the things that he could still be doing three weeks in to try to evade police?
SHANE HOBEL, FOUNDER & OWNER, MOUNTAIN SCOUT SURVIVAL SCHOOL (ON THE PHONE): Well, certainly, we're talking about an area that's filled with nooks and crannies. As it was reported before, it's quite easy for any of these patrolmen to walk by anybody hiding amongst the bushes there, seven feet away, and it's quite easy to pass by. There's all sorts of natural outcroppings and low-lying areas - areas that you can climb under. But this guy is at such a desperate place. We have to understand that in a normal survival situation, you're looking to make shelter. You're looking to make fire. So these are obvious things and clearly, he's not doing that. The most desperate thing he needs to do now is basically evade the police at all costs. He's desperate.
HARLOW: So how long can someone go without food or water assuming he's operating under that scenario?
HOBEL: (inaudible) there's an old saying in the survival world. It's the three three's - three minutes without air, three days without water, and three weeks without food. And he's been (inaudible) a very high tempo pace that's filled with - the adrenaline rush here has been going on for many, many days and this is exhausting. He's probably not dressed properly, clearly not resting properly so he's really deteriorating in all angles here.
HARLOW: You pointed out that thermal imaging - which is one of the technologies that they use from those - the infrared sort of technology from some of those planes that are flying overhead - that thermal imaging is not a perfect technology. What do you mean - that it's not very effective in something like this?
HOBEL: Well, as the authorities (inaudible) for, they - there's an admittance to all these technology having some kind of a fault. If somebody is deep into a house or underneath a roofline, it's going to be very hard-pressed to pick up an image through a roof of a building. And that same thing occurs when you're climbing under natural outcroppings or rocks. You've got a very cold environment and yes, normally, you'd be able to pick up a nice, warm heat signature. But if that individual is inside a rock outcropping and there's a lot of them, it's going to be very difficult to read with thermal imaging.
HARLOW: No kidding. It's unbelievable how he's been able to evade police. I wonder - to you, Shane, just finally, does it surprise you how long these guys were able to go without one of them being spotted until yesterday?
HOBEL: I have to say it's quite surprising but I also understand the environments by which they're moving through. It is thick and the police have had a tremendous job up there. They've been doing a rock solid job cordoning off all of the little exits, really, really pulling the noose tighter and tighter onto this area. So I've got to hand it to them for holding up that pressure, the due diligence. It's - that's the thing that's making this happen. It's keeping that pressure on. So he's running out of options and certainly, he's running out of territory.
HARLOW: All right. Shane Hobel. Thank you very much for being with us. Appreciate it, sir.
HOBEL: You're welcome.
HARLOW: All right.
Well, three horrifying terror attacks in a single day.
Also, just days ahead of the fourth of July holiday, new warnings in the United States. We'll bring you the details next.
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HARLOW: In three different countries, lingering shock and fear after three separate deadly terrorist attacks on Friday. A suicide bombing in Kuwait City, a mass shooting at a beach resort in Tunisia, and an explosion and beheading at an American-owned factory in eastern France. The main - the man suspected of setting off that explosion and butchering his boss has been arrested.
CNN's Atika Shubert is outside of the factory.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, the public prosecutors told us that the suspect remains in custody but is not answering any of their questions. Meanwhile, the investigation is continuing.
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SHUBERT (VOICEOVER): This was the scene that triggered fears of a terror attack - a decapitated head staked on a fence with Islamist flags on either side discovered minutes after an explosion inside a nearby chemical factory. On Saturday, police removed the vehicle used in the attack. The suspect, Yassin Sahli, a known delivery driver to the company remains in police custody. His wife and sister and a third person were also taken in for questioning.
SHUBERT (ON CAMERA): This is the apartment where Sahli lived with his family. He and his wife had three children. And we've spoken to neighbors here. They say they were a normal family. Their kids played with the other kids. The wife was very friendly to everybody. They didn't stand out in any particular way.
SHUBERT (VOICEOVER): Two elderly neighbors taking their dogs for a morning walk saw the family often.
"We said "hello" and "goodbye", nothing more. They weren't a remarkable family", this neighbor says, "just normal."
19:45:03
On Facebook, a memorial page to the victim. CNN has learned the victim was Herve Cornara, a family man who built a small trucking business serving industrial clients in the Lyon area of France. He had employed Yassin Sahli as a driver for less than a year.
SHUBERT (ON CAMERA): This is the delivery company that Yassin Sahli worked at with his boss, Herve Cornara. It seems pretty clear at this point that Herve Cornara was killed before Yassin Sahli attempted to explode his vehicle at the factory. But what's not clear is where that murder took place. Police have already been here investigating, trying to find out the answer.
SHUBERT (VOICEOVR): Sahli had no criminal record and those security services had monitored him at the fringes of Islamist extremist groups, he had never been involved in any terror plots and was not deemed an imminent threat.
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SHUBERT: Well, as you can see, Poppy, the factory is less than a hundred meters behind me there and police are still here blocking the area off as the investigation continues to find out what exactly triggered this attack. Poppy?
HARLOW: Atika, thank you very much.
Back in this country, federal agencies including the FBI are urging police departments all across the country to be especially vigilant for any sort of potential terrorist activity on the fourth of July.
Let's talk about it with Jonathan Gilliam, former FBI agent.
Looking at this warning, I just want to be really clear for people, this came out yesterday and it just said "Be aware. This could happen. Extremists could launch an attack." But they said there are no known active plots. Things like this can really scare people. But from a law enforcement perspective, you're former FBI, why do you put something out like this without any specifics?
JONATHAN GILLIAM, FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Because the possibility and probability get mixed up a lot and what I mean by that is there's no known threat so people think that the threat is low because the numbers aren't there. They're not saying it is known. But the possibilities - especially around different celebrations, around soft targets - the possibility is high because we know people want to attack us. Look, Poppy, we know it's going to happen again in the United States. When we start to hear chatter against a certain and particular celebration like the fourth of July, it's better to put this out and have the public just be a little bit more aware. When they go down and see fireworks, now because we put that out, if they see somebody put a bag down like it happened in Boston, maybe for the next two minutes and that bag in Boston sat there for over two minutes and people saw it there, maybe now, people will say, "That's not right. That's odd", and they'll move or they'll tell somebody.
HARLOW: So it's an issue of seeing - see something, say something. It sounds so simple. We hear it here in New York City on the subway all the time but it is so important just to be vigilant. Homeland security - the statement that they put out says security measures around the fourth will be adjusted, seen and unseen. What did they mean "seen and unseen"?
GILLIAM: Well, there's going to be - there's going to be a heavier police presence. At any time in New York City during one of these events, you see a massive amount of police presence. But there's going to be other things that are done whether it be undercover officers in the crowds, you can have certain sensors that are deployed to sniff certain things, or even dogs - for instance. But none of that technology is as good as human eyes. None of it. I mean, the reality is if there's a million people in New York City or around the country at these celebrations, most people know what's right and what's odd and they just have to be willing to just look around and not be so comfortable. I think Tunisia is a great example of what can happen when you're completely comfortable.
HARLOW: I mean, these are innocent people laying on a beach at a resort. I mean, you have to feel safe somewhere and I wonder what you think - what you think the three attacks we saw carried out on Friday - ISIS claiming responsibility for two of them - where you've got France, you've got what happened in Kuwait City with 25 people dead and you've got Tunisia, 38 people dead, what does that tell you about the new state of terror and these attacks right now around the globe?
GILLIAM: It tells me, Poppy, that like you just said, we have to feel comfortable. Unfortunately, the world that we live in now - that's what they're looking for. They're looking where people feel comfortable. It's been growing towards that. We've been saying for a long time that malls, that religious institutions, schools - for instance - have always been huge targets. But now, even the beach - for instance - where you completely relax. People just have to have a little bit of a sense - more sense of awareness in this day and age and you have to realize the possibility is always there.
HARLOW: Are they - are you saying - Peter Bergen was talking earlier with me - a CNN national security analyst - about this is the new normal in terms of these types of attacks, sort of smaller targets than big 9/11 type attacks. Is - would you agree?
GILLIAM: I absolutely believe that and we've been predicting that for years and years that eventually, it was going to turn. We didn't know when or how but what happened was a whole new group came along.
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Al Qaeda was really focused on the big attacks. It made a big worldwide difference but now, as we've seen, you go to Tunisia and you kill over 20 people with a gun, now, when people go to the beach, they're going to be a little bit more hesitant. And that's just the way we're going to have to be. That is the day and age that we live in. I'm not fear-mongering. It's just - if I can instill in somebody a little bit of a sense that when they see something happen, they've already got in their mind, "I'm going to have to react" then we've done our job. And that's not fear-mongering. That's being - that's helping people be prepared. That's what this is all about when the FBI releases this.
HARLOW: All right. Jonathan Gilliam. Thank you so much.
GILLIAM: You got it.
HARLOW: As always, appreciate it.
Also, switching gears here, just a remarkable film ahead on CNN for you tomorrow night. You don't want to miss the premiere of CNN's film "Glen Campbell: I'll Be Me", a look at the music legend's experience, battle with Alzheimer's.
Every 67 seconds, someone in this country is diagnosed with the disease. Most of those people will be over 65 but about five percent are younger than that, still in the prime of their lives with jobs, families, a lot of responsibility.
CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta has an intimate look inside the life of one of those people.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: One of the toughest decisions any younger person with dementia has to make is when to stop driving. That's because the body can still remember how to do it but the parts of the brain that control memory and fast decision-making are declining. So what do you do?
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SANDY HALPERIN, ALZHEIMER'S PATIENT (VOICEOVER): I held her. She clutched on to me. "Don't let go of me, Daddy. Just don't let go."
HALPERIN (ON CAMERA): I just lost my train of thought there.
GUPTA (VOICEOVER): Five years ago, at age 60, Sandy Halperin - a former dentist, father of two and grandfather of three - was diagnosed with early Alzheimer's Disease. HALPERIN (VOICEOVER): I can distract myself. That's what scares me. I
just think of another thought or do something else, something just comes up and then everything's gone. The thought is gone. It's gone as if it never even existed.
GUPTA (ON CAMERA): Even as doctors, we rarely get such an intimate look into what's happening in the mind of someone who's suffering through this, who's suffering through dementia. So I wanted to meet Sandy myself, talk to him, try to better understand what was happening.
Hey.
HALPERIN: So good to see you.
GUPTA: How are you?
HALPERIN: Oh, what a treat.
GUPTA (VOICEOVER): We'd only been a few minutes before I got a glimpse of Sandy's struggles with his memory.
HALPERIN: That was a - I forget what I'm saying (inaudible) but now, I'm sorry. I just lose my train of thought.
GUPTA (VOICEOVER): One of the first and hardest decisions Sandy and his wife Gail had to face is whether it's safe for him to get behind the wheel. They've decided to limit Sandy's driving to short distances from their home and re-evaluate his skills frequently.
GUPTA (ON CAMERA): So it's not a - it's not physical, obviously. You can do that fine. It's not even so much memory as it is attentiveness?
HALPERIN: It's become distracted. When I took my driving test, I went for a three hour driving test in...
GAIL HALPERIN, SANDY HALPERIN'S WIFE: In Jacksonville.
HALPERIN: In Jacksonville and the first two parts of the test, I - from what I understand, I basically failed.
GUPTA: Is that right?
HALPERIN: Yes. I didn't do well. I know I didn't.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okidoki. And then keep going forward. When you get to the next stop sign, we're going to go left again.
GUPTA (VOICEOVER): But even though Sandy couldn't remember, he had in fact passed the driving evaluation and shared the happy news with Gail at the time.
G. HALPERIN (ON THE PHONE): Did you pass?
HALPERIN: Yes.
G. HALPERIN: Yes!
HALPERIN (ON CAMERA): Like I can't even remember like right now, this is an important test and I can't even remember - I can't give you - and years ago, I would be able to tell you all the details in the test.
GUPTA: What happened?
HALPERIN: Yes.
GUPTA: Are you nervous at all, Gail? I mean, when you hear these stories?
G. HALPERIN: No. I like it when he drives. He's a very good driver. I mean, he doesn't - he knows what he's doing. The problem is when that changes.
HALPERIN (VOICEOVER): I'm broken. I'm not missing a limb but I've got a defect but it doesn't mean that I can't live my life with that defect to its fullest.
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GUPTA: Like Sandy and Gail, every family must constantly re-evaluate their loved one's driving ability as Alzheimer's progresses. Signs to look out for include failing to observe traffic signs, driving at odd speeds, hitting curves, and of course, forgetting familiar places or getting lost.
Back to you.
HARLOW: Sanjay, thank you very much for that. We'll be right back.
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HARLOW: Mourners paying their final respects to three more victims of the church massacre in Charleston. But for a brief time, a skirmish of sorts over the confederate battle flag flying on the state house grounds threatened to overshadow those services.
Our Martin Savidge spent the day in Charleston and has more on both.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is another extremely painful day here in Charleston, South Carolina with three funerals all taking place back-to-back, all taking place inside a Emanuel AME church.
Cynthia Hurd was the first one this morning. She was a librarian, a woman who was known not only for her desire to want to help people but also working for the housing authority as well. All of these lives that were lost were extraordinary examples of helping and loving others. Then came two funerals that were actually held together and that was for 26-year-old Tywanza Sanders and 87-year-old Susie Jackson. Susie is the aunt of Tywanza. He - according to witnesses - jumped up, tried to protect his aunt that terrible night when the gunfire broke out. He was killed, she was killed in that bloody rampage.
Meanwhile, down in Columbia, South Carolina, there was an attempt by activists to pull down the confederate flag. They succeeded in doing that. One of them climbed up the pole, unhooked it and brought it down. They were immediately taken into custody and it wasn't long after that the confederate battle flag was actually put back up on the flag pole. They've been charged with defacing a monument and they've both been set bond for the two people of $3,000 each. Many people across the country are offering to pay for their bond because of course, the confederate flag now is being seen as a great source of contention especially since it was seen in photographs that the gunman had taken of himself prior to the attack.
Martin Savidge, CNN, Charleston, South Carolina.
HARLOW: Martin, thank you very much.
And we should point out that the flag removal was orchestrated by an activist group that shot and released the video themselves of that happening this morning.
All right. Now, back to the manhunt in upstate New York. As many as 1200 officers spent the day searching for convicted killer David Sweat. He has been on the run for 22 days after breaking out of prison. Yesterday, his fellow escapee Richard Matt was shot and killed by police but today there has been no break in the case to track down Sweat. Bloodhounds have been unable to pick up his scent.
Our Alexandra Field spoke with the sheriff of the town about what he thinks Sweat is likely to do now that Matt is dead.
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ALEXANDRA FIELD: Clearly, the survival strategy for these men was to go cabin to cabin. Could David Sweat still be doing that alone within this perimeter?
SHERIFF KEVIN MULVERHILL, FRANKLIN COUNTY, NEW YORK: Yes, but I don't think the availability of cabins within this perimeter is the same as what they've had 'til they got - 'til they got to this point. They just - because of the area, it's not as back country as what the original cabin was. So any hunting party that goes into this particular area during hunting season doesn't really need a cabin to use as a base. They can go right to their vehicles and what not. So the perimeter they're in now doesn't contain (inaudible) cabins or the outposts the areas that they've been through previously.
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HARLOW: Officers are manning roadblocks. They're checking homes within the 22-square mile perimeter. This is all happening in Malone, New York. That is where Richard Matt was killed yesterday afternoon. That's just 11 miles from the Canadian border so obviously, the officers are wondering if David Sweat is trying to make it over the border.
Remember, for all the latest on the manhunt, we'll keep you updated, of course, breaking with any breaking developments. Also, you can get the latest on CNN.com.
That'll do it for me. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Thanks so much for being with us.
Coming up next - "The Seventies: Peace with Honor".
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UM (VOICEOVER): Vietnam is the most divisive, morally abrasive war Americans have ever fought anywhere.
RICHARD NIXON: It's time for the great silent majority to stand up and be (inaudible).
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UM (VOICEOVER): How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're just going to refuse to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You may be in jail but you're going to be dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Military pressure will continue until a peace settlement is reached.
NIXON: We can achieve peace with honor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Americans are leaving.
