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[11:00:25] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: Running low, Europe's Central Bank Bank agrees to keep the Greek financial system on life support, but just
Coming up tonight, what's next for the Greek debt crisis, and is a Grexit inevitable.?
Also ahead, Tunisia's rally against extremism as western tourists rush to leave the scene of Friday's beach massacre.
And prosecutors search for answers after an explosion at a Taiwan amusement park injures nearly 500 people.
We are live in the coastal city of Sousse, a Mediterranean resort town struggling to cope with a deadly assault on the very heart of Tunisia's
We've got the very latest on the attack here at the hotel behind me and the suicide bombing in Kuwait.
But I want to begin this hour for you with Greece. It is a critical evening for the nation where banks are scheduled to open 14 hours from now.
Officials are deciding right now whether to impose controls to prevent a fullscale run on those banks.
All weekend, Greeks have been queuing up at cash machines, their financial institutions have been relying on emergency funds from the European Central
Bank. A short time ago, the ECB said it will keep that aid flowing at currently levels, but it won't give any extra. So without anything more,
the banks could run out of cash.
So, this is a very anxious evening in Athens and beyond.
Let's go to Isa Soares now for the scene as things are. And this emergency line of credit, which has kept Greek banks from collapsing, Isa, in recent
weeks, hardly enough to see Greece through the next few days. What is the likelihood of the imposition of capital controls at this point?
ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Very, very likely, Becky, to be completely honest with you. What the ECB has been doing for the last
couple of weeks, as your viewers will remember, is they've been throwing money, putting money in to the Greek banking system, really, keeping banks
afloat. And basically they went ahead through the last weekend's meeting just gone, they said they will look at this on a case by case basis.
Clearly, a no deal was on the table -- no deal was put forward, no demands -- demands weren't met, and so what the ECB has done is they kept the ELA
at the current level, but not upping that.
So what it's basically doing, Becky, is basically saying to the Greek people, look, this is your choice. When it comes to the referendum you
have a choice whether you accept the proposals or don't. And what's it's doing to Syriza Party as well is showing them that really they have no
other option but put those capital controls in.
We've already starting to see people queuing, Becky. And tomorrow, I expect those numbers, the queues to get even larger, because tomorrow is
pension day pay. A lot of pensioners to be turning up expecting to receiving their pensions.
So, I think the ECB move is to remind people that however bad you think it is, well you have no idea how bad it will get in the next coming days --
ANDERSON: Isa, this is a high stakes game between the government and the Europeans. The total collapse in the banking system in Greece, of course,
has implications not just for the country, but for the entire European project. What's the worst-case scenario here? What's likely to happen in
the coming days?
SOARES: Well, let's break it down so viewers get a sense. You know, you've got tomorrow is the deadline for the IMF. Already, the Greeks have
said they don't have enough money. They prefer to pay pension to pay anything else. That's the deadline. Midnight local time, 6:00 p.m.
eastern in Washington, that's the deadline.
After that, the bailout ends. So they've got no more money as well to be receiving from the ECB, the IMF and the troika really.
And then after that, you've got likelihood is with no money coming in from the ECB, Becky, then you have capital controls. With capital controls,
people will be limited into how much money they can take out. People will be struggling to pay bills, to get around, put food on the table. And the
realization would hit home just how bad it will be if they leave Europe, really, and the euro.
And then come Sunday, maybe that will hit home slightly more.
The proposal yet that they're being put, we don't know the details, but what we know is that the Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said, he'll be
campaigning no against this proposal.
So, come Sunday will be people be backing Alexis Tsipras, or will people, having seen how hard it's been in the coming days, will people be going
against Alexis Tsipras. If they go against him, Becky, well let's just say it won't make much sense for him to stand. The government will have to
stand -- stand down, because the government of course has said no more austerity.
So, it's a time of a lot of uncertainty, fear, and must I say also a lot of confusion for the Greek people, Becky.
[11:05:38] ANDERSON: They say a week is a long time in politics, it is going to be an awfully long time for Greeks, and indeed for Europeans, as
we move into next week. And that referendum on Sunday. Thank you, Isa.
We're going to turn now our focus to Tunisia. Two days since a gunmen killed 38 people in an attack on this Mediterranean resort. Many tourists
have left this coastal city of Sousse. Some do remain even at the Imperial Marhaba, which is the hotel behind me. Still very much a crime scene.
Protesters are calling on the Tunisian government to step up security. The prime minister has announced a crackdown on what he calls illegal mosques,
promising to close about 80 within a week.
Well, our senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh joining me now.
Nick, you've been inside the hotel behind us. What's it like?
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORREPSONDENT: Extraordinary, because despite the fact that -- as you say, it is a crime scene, 30 people lost
their lives inside there, there are people continuing very much as though their holiday hasn't been interrupted by anything.
WALSH: ...will not be moved. The defiant stance poolside, mingling with chlorine, sun cream and beer. Where 46 hours earlier, their fellow guests
were gunned down, German and British tourists finishing their holiday, their music even.
It's British stiff upper life spirit, Germanic resolve, a bid not to let them win.
Nathan from Norwich said Tunisian jobs depend on tourists not fleeing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a different atmosphere now. It's all very chilling. And you know it's just not the same as what it was. But I
think, you know, what we're going to do is just stay here up until the rest of -- until our holiday finishes and then leave. And then, you know, we
don't really want to venture too far outside of the resort, because we're still sort of unsure of what's going to happen. But, yeah, I think we're
in the safest place at the moment.
WALSH: Consular staff from the UK here, yet the gunman scarred more than the building.
It is extraordinary and a sign of the resilient spirit of what seems to be German and British tourists here, we're told, that they decide to continue
their holiday despite being meters away from dozens died, and lying in the sun in areas still riddled with bullet marks.
Yimgard and Hemet (ph) wash the sand from the beach off and wander back towards the bullet holes.
How many guests?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 50, 40 -- 40, 50...
WALSH: All German?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 20.
WALSH: And the rest, British?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: English.
WALSH: And they will never leave. They stay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They stay.
WALSH: Many here were on a tour when the attack happened, but Faulke Schumacher (ph) was in the sea.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Suddenly it is explosions. Dat, dat, dat, dat, dat, dat, dat, when (inaudible) smoke, smoke, and I look, and say to my wife
hurry up, hurry, yeah. And we are (inaudible) and this woman running, running in this direction, and I have in the (inaudible) dat, dat, dat, dat
-- here a woman, yeah, (inaudible) and oh, oh, oh (inaudible), Red Cross here (inaudible) and there is (inaudible) a dead person, young lady like
WALSH: Where Saif Al Rezgui killed many on the beach, there's a crime scene open to the public. The memorial, but also still a place in the sun
ANDERSON: It's a quite remarkable scenes in that film.
We've just, as our viewers were watching your report, seen the interior minister going to the hotel. I know you tried to speak to him earlier on.
What did he say?
WALSH: Tried is the operative word. A lot of security around him. And I said is there any link to ISIS, to this attack? And he wouldn't answer
that. He said he's busy working.
That is the outstanding question, Becky, from all of this.
We know a lot about the gunman in terms of where he studied, what he did and the gaps in his social that perhaps suggest he may have been
radicalized at some point in 2012, 2013, maybe later on. But we don't if he was working alone. We don't know if there were any radical groups that
he may have had links to, and we don't know if the claim by ISIS that they are responsible for this and the picture they showed of the gunman is one
that his uncle identified for us positively in the village where he grew up.
So, we know certainly they knew who the right guy was, we just don't know if they really had a role in it.
[11:10:26] ANDERSON: You visited that village yesterday. What did you learn from family and friends?
WALSH: Well, quite often the case in these atrocities, the picture you learn of the attacker is quite radically different -- forgive the use of
the word -- than that which you see at the scene of the attack.
Now they described a guy who was well into his dance group at school, who loved soccer, who played football outside the house of his father with his
dad. So, a keen student who worked at the coffee shop, who was punctual, who didn't necessarily seem that really religious, and perhaps maybe
changed when he went in 2011 to study in Kirouan (ph), a town not far from where we're standing here.
So, a gap in the study -- a gap in certainly his progression -- how did he become that gunman? And that's what authorities surely in there now on top
of the interior minister's mind.
ANDERSON: Fascinating. Nick Paton Walsh reporting for you. Nick, thank you very much indeed.
To the latest suicide bombing now that killed at least 27 people and wounded more than 200 in Kuwait.
Authorities have now identified the attacker as a Saudi national. He walked through the al-Sadiq mosque during Friday prayers, a time when
mosques are packed with worshipers.
Meanwhile, Kuwaiti authorities say more arrests have been made in the wake of this attack.
Ian Lee has more from Kuwait City. What is the latest from there, Ian?
IAN LEE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, they have named the person that they believe carried out the attack, Fahad al-Gabbaa, a Saudi
He arrived to Kuwait really just hours before the attack took place.
They also arrested the owner of the car that drove him to the mosque, the driver of that car as well.
There is still very much a security presence on the streets today as we've been driving around.
We went to the mosque and we were able to actually go inside this time and talk to some of the witnesses, all describing the chaos, the horror.
This is a family mosque. You have grandparents, you have children, all attending worship. And I talked to one father who was separated from his
two children when the attack took place. He said he was first just looking to try to make sure that they were OK, was able to find out that, yes, they
were fine, they were slightly injured.
But everyone we talked to had at least lost one person in this attack.
We also went to the hospital to talk to some of the victims there. And one man in particular, I asked him how he felt after this attack. And he said
I feel love, because the community, Kuwait, has come together, rallied around this, both Sunni and Shiites, that they're not going to let this
divide them. And really ultimately that's ISIS's plan, to divide them. But this wasn't the case in Kuwait, Becky.
ANDERSON: Ian Lee reporting for you.
I just want to get you some news coming in to CNN. And Turkish police have been using anything they can, really, water cannon and rubber pellets to
disperse a gay pride parade in Istanbul. This video came into us a short time ago.
CNN producer saw the scene unfold in Istanbul's Taksim Square.
Well, our producer says thousands were in attendance when the police broke up the parade. That sent the marchers into the side streets where people
continued to celebrate. We'll follow the story for you and bring you updates as soon as they are available.
You're watching Connect the World with me Becky Anderson tonight out of Sousse in Tunisia.
Here, still to come, Tunisians still piecing together what happened in Sousse where a gunman killed at least 38 people on the beach. I speak to a
member of parliament Sayida Ounissi up next.
Plus, new developments coming out intense talks in Vienna as the deadline nears for a deal on Iran's nuclear program.
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WALSH: What were those moments like?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terrible. Absolutely terrible. I couldn't believe it was happening. My leg, my right leg was below the (inaudible) stomach.
And his leg was bleeding so heavily. And I was laying in her blood trying to keep her awake. She drifted off. I've never witnessed anything like
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back to Sousse in Tunisia. We just heard from one of
the dozens of people injured when a gunman opened fire at this beach front hotel behind me, the Imperial Mahaba.
At least 38 more were killed in that attack. ISIS has claimed responsibility. And officials say the gunman was a 24-year-old Tunisian
Now this is Tunisia's second terrorist attack this year. So how is the government dealing with extremism here.
Well, I'm joined now by Tunisian member of parliament Sayida Ounissi. Your response, firstly, to what has happened here.
SAYIDA OUNISSI, TUNISIAN MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT: Well, the first thing is obviously that we are thinking about the families of the victim and sending
our sympathies (inaudible) is who shot, that is here in Tunisia, because we thought that the bad attack was actually he maximum of force our country
can pass by, but apparently terrorism in Tunisia will be definitely a long- term war.
ANDERSON: That wasn't an isolated incident even though you hoped it would be. This perhaps won't be an isolated incident either.
We know that Saif Al Rezgui not alone in his support for extremism. What is driving these young kids to these extremist groups?
OUNISSI: Yes, absolutely. This is not the first attack, and probably won't be the last if we look at the warnings that we keep (inaudible).
I think that here we are dealing since the revolution with the consequences of 30 years of dictatorship. This terrorist was born in 1992. He's a very
young one. He was actually one of the projects of the system of Ben Ali.
And here comes the question of what are we doing as a state to actually educate and to take on extremism...
ANDERSON: What are you doing?
OUNISSI: Actually, since the revolution, firstly, we invested massively in education. The second thing is also the controlling, the monitoring. There
was lot of mosques that actually escaping from the monitoring of the state. And here there was a (inaudible) -- development of an extremist
We need also an economic response to that, because all this frustration that young people are actually carrying that drive them to Syria, that
drive them to Iraq or to do tragedies like this one is actually taken sources (inaudible).
ANDERSON: Well, we know that ISIS have claimed responsibility for this attack. Do you believe that this young man was in direct contact with ISIS
cells? Or was he radicalized online do you believe?
[11:20:09] OUNISSI: I think that, yes, he firstly radicalized online. This is what the inquiry is trying at the moment. And this is also the
profile of most of the actually suspect that we have arrested in that we are arresting since 2012 -- so this is not new.
And we need to put a lot of effort on the monitoring online. But for thata gain it's an international affair as a lot of you know international
politician have said in the UK, in France and also President Obama, this is an international war.
And Tunisia needs to be (inaudilbe) and here and we need and international support here.
ANDERSON: Yeah, and I hear that a lot here, that to a certain extent there's a country being let down by the international community.
I just want to get the leader of the Ennahda Party's statement out. This is something that was released following the attacks, Rachid Ghannouchi
says that "the fight against terrorism is a national existential battle that has no place for political agendas. It requires everyone's
contribution, the media, politicians, academics, religious scholars and expatriate Tunisians. They should all join the fight against terrorism and
promote tourism to fill the gap in the sector."
Rational words, but do his thoughts reflect those across the sociopolitical divide do you think?
OUNISSI: I think that there is this temptation today of those who will tell you that maybe if we go back to a dictatorship (inaudible) system it
will be more secure for us, because in people's minds, Ben Ali was actually guaranteeing the security of Tunisia. And there is this temptation of
saying Tunisia's experience is not working.
In here, (inaudible) responsibilities as political leaders, as a member of the civil society, as journalists, as academics, to say taht this is also
the price of democracy, that there is no democracy who can ensure 100 percent security.
And we need to work altogether and said no to go back to dictatorship is not a solution.
ANDERSON: So the severe security measures that clamp down and the crackdown on 80 mosques that the government here says are spewing venom,
not the way to go about this?
OUNISSI: There is an effort that needs to be made on monitoring everywhere, not only on mosques, but to actually be able to prevent -- and
here comes the necessity to have a new anti-terrorist (inaudible) that we are working on in the parliament and that will come in some weeks. We
started this straight after the Bardo attack.
But, again, there is this long-term, and also short-term, measures to take. And we are in the middle of that.
ANDERSON: Thank you very much indeed for joining us. Our guest, we'll just remind you, was actually in parliament three months ago discussing
that very anti-terror legislation when the attackers on the Bardo museum actually struck. So, clearly got some very real experience of what is
going on here.
Live from Sousse, Tunisia, this is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Coming up, the clock ticking for Iran and world powers to reach
a deal. With two days left, is it enough time to hash out major differences? We are live for you in Vienna up next.
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[11:25:22] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: two, one, (inaudible) sequence start. And liftoff of the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket, adding to the International Space
Station access for future American rockets.
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ANDERSON: Well, it started as a picture perfect liftoff. This unmanned rocket was attempting to carry cargo to the international space station.
Now the launch was aired live on NASA TV. But then a short time later, it broke apart. NASA didn't provide any details on what went wrong, but it
says SpaceX, the private space exploration company, is evaluating the mission.
You're watching Connect the World live from Sousse in Tunisia. Welcome back. I'm Becky Anderson for you.
Well, there are two days left before a deadline for Iran and world powers to reach a deal over Tehran's nuclear program. But a senior U.S. official
tells CNN that deadline now could be pushed back.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met with the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in Vienna on Sunday. Both sides say there is still
work needed to iron out differences on remaining issues.
World powers want to curb Tehran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.
Well, let's get you to Vienna and to our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson who is live for you there with the latest.
So, this deal not likely to happen by Tuesday, Correct?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORREPSONDENT: It really seems unlikely, Becky. I mean, one of the principle reasons is that the Iranian delegation
is going to head back to Tehran later today.
Inside the next hour Foreign Minister Zarif will meet once again. It'll be his fourth meeting now with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. After
that, he's expected to travel to Tehran. Coming back here on Tuesday, that is June 30th, that is the deadline day for the deal, but the gaps that have
been becoming clearer through the day here have really sort of given rise to the expectation now that the deadline just cannot be achieved.
We've heard from various diplomats as they've arrived to join the talks. This is some of what they've been telling us.
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FREDERICA MOGHERINI, EU FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF: They take stock of the work -- important work that was done by our teams in the last months. It
translates the political understanding we reached in Switzerland in April into text, into an agreement, into a political, sound agreement.
PHILIP HAMMOND, BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: No deal is better than a bad deal. There are red lines that we cannot cross, and some very difficult
decisions, tough choices are going to have to be made by all of us if we're going to get to this deal over the next few days.
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ROBERTSON: Well, part of the route of these gaps does appear to be the fact that in the past week or so, the Iranian, the supreme leader Ayatollah
Khamenei, has said that for him there are red lines. There are red lines that he doesn't want free ranging inspections of sites in Iran, that he
wants U.S. and UN sanctioned lifted immediately, permanently, and that he does want to continue Iranian research and development into nuclear
The position that we're hearing here, particularly we heard it from the French foreign minister just yesterday when he came here, Laurent Fabius,
saying the contrary, that indeed sanctions could be snapped back on if Iran doesn't do as it says in the agreement, that research and development into
nuclear technology should be curtailed for some quite lengthy period, 10 to 12 years is what's been talked about, and that there should be inspections
of all necessary sites, even military sites in Iran by their nuclear watchdog, the IAEA.
So at the moment this seems to be what's generating a sense of not impasse, if you will, but difficulty pushing everyone through beyond this deadline
very likely, Becky.
ANDERSON: Nic Robertson reporting. That deadline, of course, Tuesday.
Well, the latest world news headlines are just ahead for you here on CNN. Plus, hundreds of people in Taiwan injured in an explosion at a water park.
What investigators think caused the blast. That coming up.
[11:32:09] ANDERSON: You're watching Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. The top stories for you this hour.
And it looks to be a decisive night for Greece as many questions are asked whether banks will be able to reopen on Monday morning. Earlier, the
European Central Bank decided not to increase the amount of aid it's been pouring into Greece's banking system.
Thousands of Tourists have fled the Tunisian coastal city of Sousee. They departed in the wake of a resort that left 38 people dead. But some
travelers have decided to stay. Authorities are still working to identify all victims from Friday's attack here at the hotel behind me.
Well, talks underway now in Iran's nuclear program expected to go beyond Tuesday's deadline. But a senior U.S. official tells CNN the focus remains
on reaching a final agreement. And no one is talking about a long-term extension.
Health officials in Taiwan now say the death toll from an explosion at a water park stands at 498. They'd earlier put the number higher, but say
they miscounted. Police say a flammable powder exploded on stage during a party at the water park on Saturday.
Authorities are now questioning the event organizer and member of the lighting crew. They say both are being treated as suspects.
CNN's Kathy Novak has the latest from New Taipei.
KATHY NOVAK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm at the water park where young people were dancing and having a great time at the event called the
color play party. Then it all went terrifyingly wrong
I have to warn you the video we're about to show you is extremely graphic. Many will find it disturbing because it shows the moment that a dance floor
full of people was engulfed in flames.
As you can see, a giant fireball exploded in the air. And suddenly people were screaming and running for their lives. Authorities here believe that
the colorful powder that's part of the whole theme of this event is responsible. Taiwan's premier has banned its use until further notice.
And this water park has been shut down while investigations continue. The event organizer has been brought in for questioning. And family and
friends of the victims have been asked to come here and pick up their belongings. We spoke to one of them. He was here when the explosion
HUANG GUAN ZHANG, WITNESS (through translator): The music started, and the host wanted to give us a surprise and used all the powder that was left.
Maybe because the lights were too hot, there was sudden explosion. The fire came too fast and nobody was able to run. Everybody was burned.
We're jumping up and down. We're running and some were stampeded.
Nobody could save others, and people suffered severe burns.
NOVAK: Now, he suffered minor burns to his foot, but he tells us his girlfriend is much worse off. So many like her were given first aid right
here at the water park.
Some were dragged out on inflatable tubes, then they were rushed to 39 hospitals in the area. We're told that specialized burn units are
overwhelmed and there aren't enough beds for everyone who needs that care. Hospitals are appealing to the public to stay away unless absolutely
necessary so that they can focus on caring for all of those people who were injured right here.
Kathy Novak, CNN, Taipei.
[11:35:33] ANDERSON: And just before Kathy's report, I -- we eluded to the fact that people have died in this incident. Let's make a correction, 498
people were injured in that incident, 498 people injured in that incident in Taiwan.
Let's get you back to the deepening bank crisis in Greece. Earlier, the Greek parliament approved a nationwide referendum on its bailout loan, that
will be held on Sunday July 5, but with a huge IMF payment due on Tuesday, the nation could be edging closer to default and a possible exit from the
Well, a Grexit will have devastating effects on Greece, but it also poses threats to the EuroZone as a whole. It could result in financial contagion
and weaken other debt laden and vulnerable countries like Portugal, Spain and Italy, for example.
Some fear that a post-Grexit Greece could forge closer ties with Russia or China, and that would upset the geopolitical balance of Europe and the
west, of course.
And immigration could be an issue. Floods of Greeks battling homelessness and more could cross into neighboring countries needing aid and wanting
Well, these are grim prospects for Greece and its neighbors.
For more, I want to bring in Constantine Michalos who is president of the Athens Chamber of Commerce and Industry. He joins us via Skype from
Imathia in Greece.
And, sir, this is a new government voted in only months ago on a mandate to protect the country from the intense demands from creditors. A high stakes
game. Has the prime minister overplayed his hand to the detriment of those who voted him in, do you think?
CONSTANTINE MICHALOS, ATHENS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY: Well, Becky, it took five months for so-called renegotiation process that didn't
just fail to achieve a positive step forward for the nation, but instead since last night has literally brought it down to its knees.
The ELA has withdrawn its support and it's almost a certainty now that banks will remain closed tomorrow for an indefinite period of time.
So, this is an extremely critical time for the business sector, but also for Greece itself. It could be catastrophic. And we've got a referendum
for which I'm not too certain that we'll actually see going on in the sense that the Greek constitution stipulates that ballot papers, at least 20
millions, need to be printed, packaged and distributed to each and every ballot station in the country five days prior to the referendum, i.e.
And until this moment of time, as we speak, the government hasn't decided yet what exactly is going to be the question that will be put forward to
the Greek electorate.
I would describe it as frivolous, superficial at best.
ANDERSON: A run on the banks, people queuing down the street on ATMs, capital controls possibly, this is the sort of stuff of the 1930s. What
could the prime minister have done differently, given as I pointed out at the beginning that he was voted in on a mandate to try and bat off these
austerity measures that were -- these were intense austerity measures, demanded by European creditors and others.
MICHALOS: The previous government had negotiated approximately 1.5 billion euros as part of the review of the existing program, which is ending on
Tuesday. All of a sudden, the 1.5 billion as a result of this five month negotiation, or renegotiation of the austerity agreement has gone sky high
to 8.3 billion.
What went wrong? I'm not a politician. I wasn't present at all the discussions and meetings, but it's definitely gone wrong.
ANDERSON: France's finance minister says any talk of a Grexit is premature and that Greece destiny is in the euro, but many in Europe very nervous
after Greece called this referendum. Have a listen.
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WOLFGANG SCHAUBLE, GERMAN FINANCE MINISTER (through translator): You have to count on Greece getting into acute problems in the coming days because
of this decision.
MICHAEL NOONAN, IRISH FINANCE MINISTER: It's (inaudible) I think a question of waiting to see what might happen on Monday in terms of crisis.
The crisis has commenced.
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[11:40:07] ANDERSON: Can an agreement between Greece and its creditors still be salvaged, sir, at this point?
MICHALOS: I think that negotiations should continue in the next two days. We have to wait and see what the final decision of the minister of finance
will be as far as the banks are concerned, although as I said earlier on, I think that they will remain closed tomorrow and I think that we can salvage
the situation provided that the Greek government shows certain intentions for deep reforms required by the Greek economy.
It doesn't serve anyone to continue with this situation. Primarily Greece, my country, the business sector of which I represent and we are near the
brink at the moment of disaster. And I'm sure that it doesn't make any good for our European partners. So let's find a solution.
ANDERSON: Good. All right. Thank you, sir.
Naturally a lot of the coverage on Greece has focused on economic doom and gloom. Did you know that there are some Greek businesses that are actually
growing right now? Do take a look at CNN.com/Money to read about people like Denia Toplidu (ph) who runs a fabric store in Central Athens and find
out why businesses like hers are actually recession proof. That is CNN.com/Money.
The escaped murderer killed by police in upstate New York on Friday was apparently drunk at the time, that is according to a local newspaper, which
says Richard Matt had also been sick for at least a couple of days, perhaps from eating spoiled food while on the run.
Meanwhile, the search for his accomplice continues.
CNN's Alexandra Field has the latest.
ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Law enforcement sources tell me that there have been no credible sightings of David Sweat and that bloodhounds
have not picked up his scent, and yet they are maintaining what they call a hard perimeter, a line of sight perimeter around an area that is some 22
square miles in the northern part of the Adirondacks, just 20 miles south of the Canadian border.
Earlier this week, investigators said they believed that Richard Matt and David Sweat had plans to cross that border, but after Richard Matt opened
fire yesterday afternoon, hitting a camper, the driver of that camper calling 911. Police closed in, shooting and killing Richard Matt.
They now believe that David Sweat, his co-escapee, could remain in this area. They have as good a reason to think that he is here as anywhere. So
search crews are coming in for a second night now trying to find him somewhere within this perimeter. They will do a grid search trying to
clear every inch, every acre of this deep forest, infrared equipped helicopters will also be overhead, deploying heat sensing technology, which
they hope could lead them to the sole fugitive still on the run.
In Malone, Alexandra Field, CNN.
ANDERSON: Live from Sousse in Tunisia, this is Connect the World. Coming up, protests in the capital of Tunis in the wake of a resort massacre.
We'll have more on the calls to step up the fight against extremists.
And a landmark same-sex marriage ruling in America is celebrated worldwide, but not necessarily on the U.S. presidential campaign trail. That, up
[11:45:49] ANDERSON: Chanting, singing and rallying against terrorism, these were the scenes in the Tunisian capital last night as thousands of
people living in this country came out to protest loudly about Friday's bloody attack at the Imperial Mahaba hotel right here behind me.
And a similar rally took place just a short distance away from here in Sousse. It's a city shocked by the brutality of terror, but united in its
condemnation of terrorism.
You are with CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson out of Tunisia for you this evening.
And we are already seeing how the attack here is reverberating internationally. We've just got this statement from the metropolitan
police in London. It says the United Kingdom is seeing one of the largest counterterrorism deployments since July 2005. The official named in the
statement says the current operation involves more than 600 police officers, most of those have been at British airports to meet travelers
returning from Tunisia.
Well, joining me now is Ahmed Baccouche. He's a young man, a young Tunisian who in many ways personifies the challenges this young democracy
Your response to what happened here?
AHMED BACCOUCHE, TUNISIAN PROTESTER: Well, I guess we don't have much of a choice. I think it's an atrocity. And I hope this will never have to --
we will never have to live through this again and it will never happen again. I mean, we are all in shock, as you said. As you can see, people
faces are pale. They don't feel secure. You know, there is some kind of you know, scary feeing going all around, even if you go around the city, go
to houses you see people's faces, they're pretty scared, pretty shaken.
ANDERSON: And many estimates suggest somewhere round 3,000 Tunisians have gone and joined militant groups, so-called jihad in Syria and in Iraq,
leading many to wonder, according to a recent Newsweek article why so many young men from relatively advanced and secular countries like this, which
emerged from the Arab Spring with a fledgling democracy are turning to extremism and joining ISIS.
You and I spoke a little bit earlier on. You say you don't have anything to do with people who have an extremist ideology, but you know there's a
lot of people who have -- why?
BACCOUCHE: Absolutely. Because, you know, we have a huge society. It's varied. You can see a lot of people, those who are neutral, those who go
in the extreme side of religion, who go way too much to the mosques, not good mosques, because in Tunisia we have separate types of mosques. There
are mosques who you learn there is peace. You have to forgive and let live. And other places, it's not the same thing.
So, I (inaudible) type of influence they have. We have also associations, which are not good for the country, which teach them to be violence,
aggressive, hate the state.
ANDERSON: Well, that's the government is talking about when it alludes to closing down or cracking down on some 80 mosques. It says that is spewing
You worked in the tourism sector here in the past. You're now unemployed. How important is this industry to young Tunisians like you and to the
BACCOUCHE: I think it's not even important, it's crucial, it's vital, it's the thing we live on, especially in Sousse. As you can see here, we have
sandy beaches, we have the sun, we have very beautiful hotels, modern ones, restaurants, whatever you want we have it.
So, without the tourism, this town would be literally dead. I mean, it's really vital.
ANDERSON: We're talking about 15 percent of the GDP, half a million people involved in the industry.
I'm thinking about what the leader of Ennahda said today when he talked about every body having to get together now -- politicians, imams, the
media, schools, school curricula, everybody getting onto one page and saying that extremism is wrong.
What about youngsters the likes of you and your mates getting together and talking to and forcing those that you say -- and you say they're around --
who are getting involved, maybe online or traveling somewhere to get radicalized. It's up to you guys as well, isn't it? It's up to all of us
to talk people out of this surely, isn't it? Not just the politicians, the political parties and the education system. There's a responsibility for
all of us, isn't there?
[11:50:19] BACCOUCHE: Absolutely. I totally agree. I would even say that we all have to work through this on one hand, not only the politician, not
only the army, not only the police, it would be the people, the politicians, everyone, we should really you know assist each other, because
it's a very dangerous phenomenon.
We can't, you know, just count on the others to do their job and say, whoa, it will be gone in no time.
ANDERSON: because you were shocked about what happened here, but to a certain extent it didn't surprise you, did it? It didn't surprise you
there was a young radicalized Tunisian who would want to make a very dramatic and spectacle scene.
BACCOUCHE: Because this story started like in 2011 at the beginning of the revolution.
You know, the government did not take this seriously. They thought there would be two or three people just going the wrong way, just getting a bit
too much into religion, going way too much to the mosques. They did not know that it's a lot deeper than that.
And some of us knew, and some of us were expecting this to be honest, because I saw how even the internet changed. Facebook wasn't the way it
was before. The emails were not the way they were before. Sitting in a cafe is not the same thing that it was four or five years ago. Now the
subjects have changed.
And we see people hanging around mosques, hanging around shady places and shady buildings, doing things that nobody knows what they -- nobody knows
what they're doing exactly, or what they're saying in there -- or what they're learning.
So, the government did not pay much attention in the first place. They should have done this in the first place.
We could have anticipated a lot of, you know, damage.
ANDERSON: Ahmed, for the time being thank you very much indeed.
BACCOUCHE: You're welcome. You're welcome.
ANDERSON: And the best of luck in finding a job.
Live from Sousse, Tunisia, this is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson for you. Coming up, Republican presidential hopefuls in the United States
are united in their opposition to the historic same-sex marriage ruling of late. Next, how they might spin that to win over voters.
ANDERSON: You're with Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. Welcome back to Sousse in Tunisia.
Gay pride marches around the world have had a lot more to celebrate after Friday's U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage across
Now these are pictures from the Chrisopher Street day parade in Berlin. Gay marriage isn't legal in Germany yet. And many at the parade said it
was time to move forward on the issue.
The Philippines' LGBT community was especially lively when it took to the streets for a parade in Manila after the landmark ruling in the United
And there was also this sea of blue surrounding a giant rainbow flag at the pride parade in London.
When it comes to U.S. politics, not everyone is celebrating the Supreme Court's historic decision. And Sunlen Serfaty reports now on how the U.S.
presidential candidates are reacting.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Celebrations across the country continued into the evening. Hailing the nation's highest
court making same-sex marriage legal nationwide.
[11:55:08] BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This ruling is a victory for America. This decision affirms what millions of Americans
already believe in their hearts, when all Americans are treated as equal, we are all more free.
CROWD: USA, USA!
SERFATY: But on the 2016 campaign trail, the issue is far from over.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This morning, love triumphed in the highest court in our land.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
CLINTON: Equality triumphed. America triumphed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I pronounce you wife and wife.
SERFATY: Among the Republican presidential hopefuls, unity in their opposition to the ruling.
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: I think this is something that should be decided by the people of each state and not imposed upon them by a group
of lawyers sitting in black robes at the U.S. Supreme Court.
SERFATY: But division on how the Republican Party should move forward. The conservative firebrands among the pack indicating they'll use the ruling as
a rallying cry, some promising to push for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Today's decision was a travesty. It was not constitutional. It was five unelected lawyers imposing
their own radical views on this nation.
SERFATY: But others like Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and Lindsey Graham striking a conciliatory tone saying in essence, let's move on.
Jeb Bush saying, quote, "Good people who have opposing views should be able to live side by side. It is now crucial as a country, we protect religious
freedom and the right of conscious and also not discriminate."
Expect many Republicans to emphasize the phrase "religious liberty", vowing to protect people's religious beliefs.
ANDERSON: A seismic shift in the United States for same-sex couples.
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