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Police Hunt for Accomplices in Tunisian Hotel Attack; Tunisia Deploys 1,000 Police To Protect Tourist Sites; Last Minute Talks Between Greece, European Commission; Interview with Roger Federer; U.S., Iran Extend Nuclear Talks; NBC Ends Relationship with Donald Trump. Aired 11:00a-12:00p ET
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[11:00:32] ROBYN CURNOW, HOST: Still negotiating: talk of a last minute deal in Greece as the deadline to pay back the nearly $2 billion
expires within hours.
Hello, I'm Robyn Curnow at the CNN Center.
Coming up, we'll get the latest on the situation involving Greece and its creditors. Also...
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PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Phil Black on the beach in Sousse where Friday's massacre began. I'll bring you the latest
on the investigation in just a few moments.
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CURNOW: Plus, ready to make a deal: Iran's foreign minister returns to Vienna saying he's ready for an agreement on the country's nuclear
Well, we'll have that coming up.
But first, two big stories, two big deadlines. It's decision time for Greece and Iran, two ancient civilizations at two very different
Athens just hours from a historic default. Tehran on the cusp of perhaps sealing a historic nuclear deal that could end years of
confrontation with the West.
We have all the angles covered. Our Richard Quest is in Athens following the Greek debt crisis. We also have Nic Robertson in Vienna,
Austria where those 11th hour nuclear negotiations are taking place, and CNN's Fred Pleitgen is standing by in Tehran.
Well, let's start with Greece where the government has just asked the EuroZone for a new bailout packet. The request for a new two-year deal
comes just hours before the nation's current bailout with Europe expires and as Greece admits it will miss $1.7 billion loan payment to the
International Monetary Fund. That money is due in about seven hours time.
Well, the country's prime minister has long been holding these last ditch talks with the nation's creditors, but so far there's been no word of
a deal, however, our Richard Quest has been following latest developments from Athens.
And, you have some sense of what's playing out there -- or do you?
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh, no, I've got absolutely no sense of it at all.
I mean, this has being made up as they go along. And no, no -- you know, I'm not being uncharitable when I say this.
Here we are, the night before the day of when the existing bailout is due to expire. And like a rabbit out of a hat we suddenly here that Alexis
Tsipras, the Greek prime minister, has sent a note to the EuroGroup president asking for a new bailout under the terms of the so-called ESM,
the European Stability Mechanism. Think of the ESM as the big bailout fund.
Now, this is fascinating, because it opens up an entire new set of dynamics, a new set of rules, a new set of procedures.
For instance, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the head of the EuroGroup, says that there is to be a teleconference of EuroGroup members at 7:00 p.m.
Fascinating again, because they will decide should this go ahead to the ESM.
But there are various rules and procedures about countries requesting bailouts from this independent European Stability Mechanism.
So, my guess is -- my guess is that, yes, they're not going to be given a yes or no answer today, but a process will begin that will consider
whether Greece should be given a third bailout.
CURNOW: So, there's been no response, but there is going to be this teleconference. What do you think is going to happen here? I mean, how is
this going to play out over the next few hours, the next few days? And what are the implications for this referendum on Sunday?
QUEST: Well, the referendum becomes absolutely moot on the grounds that if the Europeans say yes we will look at this -- we will look at this
request for a bailout. I can't see them saying tonight, yep, you can have a new bailout. They're going to say, yes, we will look at it, or no it's a
But let's just say that happens. Well, suddenly, there's no question of a referendum at the weekend, because what are you having a referendum
about? The original agreement expires tonight. The new deal isn't in place or been negotiated, the referendum, which was a euro in or out
So, I mean, I'm well aware that this is a turning into the most frighteningly complex, difficult, convoluted scenario, but that's where we
are tonight in Athens.
And if anyone can tell you they know how the next 48 hours is going to play out, I wouldn't buy a car from them.
[11:05:26] CURNOW: So, with that in mind, I mean, what's the appetite here for this new version of another deal, particularly in Germany? Is
there a sense that many Europeans are saying, listen, just let Greece go?
QUEST: Very good. Very good. What's the appetite for a new deal?
Well, your starting point, Robyn, is everybody has always known that Greece needs more money. So, if Greece asks for a bailout, the starting
point is, yep, we know there needs to be another bailout. But now we get to the devil in the detail. What are the terms of this third bailout? And
here, you're literally -- and I'm not joking here -- you're literally back to where you were on Thursday and Friday of last week.
Remember, Robyn, when they -- let's just say the ESM says, yes, we'll consider a new bailout, what are the terms of it? You're back to square
CURNOW: Back to square one, but you'll be there for us in Athens to unpick it all. Thank you so much, Richard Quest. I appreciate it.
And I'm now going to send you over to my colleague Becky Anderson who is standing by in Tunis. And she will continue to present the rest of the
show. Thanks for joining me.
Becky, over to you.
BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Thank you very much indeed.
And some technical problems at the top.
This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. You wouldn't have known about those technical problems, but we will carry on with this show.
And to Iran. "I am here to get a final deal. And I think we can." Iran's foreign minister sound positive as he returned today to the
bargaining table in Vienna.
It is all about a final push on these nuclear talks. This was originally deadline day, but now the talks have until next Tuesday to
hammer out a final agreement.
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MOHAMMAD JAVAD ZARIF, IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER: I did go to get a mandate. I really had a mandate (inaudible). I am here to get a final
deal. And I think we can.
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ANDERSON: Mohammad Javad Zarif is joined by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and five other world powers, of course.
Zarif returned to the Austrian capital after a day of consultations in Tehran. Again, the U.S. State Department says the deadlines for those
talks has now been extended until July 7.
Well, CNN's Nic Robertson is standing by in Vienna and Fred Pleitgen is in Tehran.
Let's start with Nic. What changed? Why this deadline change as it were?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, we literally found out in the last few minutes, Becky, that this deadline had changed.
What caused it to change? Well, the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif coming back from Tehran this morning met for about an hour-and-
three-quarters with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. A lot of that we understand was a one-on-one meeting.
And I think that really gave us all the big clue when the cameras were finally allowed into that meeting, this is when we heard from the Iranian
foreign minister saying that he thought a deal was possible, but he's also said that this deal should be fair and balanced. We've heard from U.S.
State Department officials, senior officials last night saying they also thought that the deal was possible, that everything will be predicated on
what had previously been agreed and discussed and put out in a statement in Switzerland three months ago.
So, it seems to be, if you will, back on track. And there's been quite a flurry of diplomatic activity here today. You've had the Russian
foreign minister Sergei Lavrov owing in for meetings with Secretary of State John Kerry and with the Iranian foreign minister.
You've had the head of the IAEA going in here today for a meeting, expected to meet with the Iranian foreign minister. Why would he be going
in? Because he's important to the technical and divisive nature of some of the talks so far, which is the inspections angle. And that had been
something that had really sort of thrown everyone for a loop, if you will, over the past week when Iran's supreme leader said he wouldn't allow
inspections of military sites.
But, full verification of whatever Iran commits to is something that's been a red line for everyone else here.
So, we do seem to be back on t rack, but they're giving themselves an extra seven days now to work out all the very complex details, Becky.
ANDERSON: All right, Nic, standby. I want to get to Fred in Tehran.
What's the perspective there, Fred?
[11:09:57] FRED PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, certainly what we're hearing on the ground here, and I was at a
demonstration earlier today, which was by religious hardliners who usually are people who don't want to even give an inch to the United States, and
even they said that they were supporting their negotiating team in Vienna.
And also they said that it was their supreme leader who had told them to support that negotiating team. So the mood that you get there from
people on the ground is that they aren't necessarily too optimistic about a deal possibly coming through, but they did say that they certainly believe
that there is a chance.
Now, if you speak to Iranian officials, it's a little bit different. I spoke to a senior member of Iran's parliament yesterday. And he said
that there certainly was some room for negotiation, especially when you look at the matter of how fast sanctions relief is said to happen. He
said, sure, we want the sanctions to go away immediately, however, the implementation of that is something that doesn't necessarily have to happen
right away. We understand that there might be technical issues or other things that could mean that that could happen later on.
One of the big worries, actually, Becky, that the Iranians have, and I've heard this time again, is that they fear that if they start taking
down their centrifuges, if they start taking down reactors like the one in Arat (ph), which is of course one that is supposed to go away entirely,
they're afraid they might to permanent damage to the nuclear installations that they have. And then for whatever reason have the international
community renege on some of the things that it has laid out, renege on sanctions relief, or push sanctions relief back.
So, it really is an interesting game almost of chicken, if you will, with both sides saying but we want you to make the first move. We want you
to shut everything down before we give you sanctions relief where the Iranians are saying we want sanctions relief and then we'll start shutting
So, it really is a difficult situation, but it does appear as though from what Nic is just saying, this is very interesting, that at least
there's room for negotiations that both sides seem to believe that a solution is possible, Becky.
ANDERSON: Yeah, and this is what negotiation is all about. But they've left it very, very late, haven't they. You know, when is a
deadline not a deadline? When it's involved with U.S.-Iranian talks, because we've had these deadlines before.
Fred, what would the consequences of these guys not sealing a deal be at this point?
PLEITGEN: Well, I think it would be immense distrust, even more so than before, of Iran and the western powers, especially Iran and the United
States. One of the things that many Iranian officials are saying is that, look, if this deal doesn't come through, it can't get very much worse for
us than it already is. We'll continue to muddle through. We'll continue to carry on, especially if you talk to the hardliners they'll say, look,
we've had this economy, which they call the resistance economy, for a very long time. We've lived under sanctions for a very long time. Sanctions
are what's causing us to be very industrious, to develop our own industries, for instance, the automobile industry. But also the hydro-
carbon industry. So they say things will go on.
But of course it would do massive damage, especially in a situation right now for the first time in a very long time the U.S. and Iran are
talking to each other, have these long talks going on, seem to be finding some sort of common ground. If everything falls apart now, it certainly
seems as though it would throw the bilateral relations between these two adversaries back a long, long way, Becky.
ANDERSON: Fred Pleitgen is in Tehran for you and Nic is in Vienna. Thank you, chaps.
We are keeping an eye on those talks on air and also on the website, of course. CNN.com. Clearly, some very interesting hours to come.
Here's one of the articles that we've got on .com from the president of the National Iranian American Council on five reasons why a deal with Iran
could be good for the United States.
Let us know what you think on this story. You can leave a comment under the article, or you can contact us on our Facebook site and Twitter
All right, we're going to take a very short break for you. We are live in Tunis in Tunisia this evening. This is Connect the World.
Just ahead, we'll take a look at Tunisia's efforts keeping tourists sites safe after what was an horrific beach resort massacre. I'll speak
live with the editor-in-chief of the Arab weekly.
[11:16:18] ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me, Becky Anderson. Welcome back.
We are in Tunis in Tunisia, a country that is set to deploy 1,000 armed police officers to help protect tourist sites after the beach resort
massacre in Sousse, the Mediterranean resort.
38 people were killed last Friday there, the majority of them were British tourists.
Well, the UK government evacuated several Britons today who were severely wounded in that attack, flying them home on a military plane.
Tunisian authorities, meanwhile, say the gunmen had ties to a Libyan terror organization. And Tunisia's prime minister told me that his country
needs help dealing with the threat posed by a lawless state next door.
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HABIB ESSID, TUNISIAN PRIME MINISTER: For us, we have 520 kilometers of borders with Libya. Everything could happen through this border. On
the other side, you don't have a state, you have group, you have -- so it's very important for us the dangers comes from Libya.
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ANDERON: Yeah, and we'll discuss those dangers momentarily. Phil Black is live in Sousse just meters from where that massacre happened. And
he joins us now.
Phil, what's the latest from there?
PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, in terms of the investigation, the Tunisian authorities are increasingly convinced,
they say, that it is very likely the shooter Saif al-Rezgui spent time in Libya to prepare for this attack.
What isn't clear is why they believe that, whether it's based upon solid information or just simply a likely theory. Remember, the last time
that westerners were massacred in this country less than four months ago at the capital Tunis at the Bardo museum, they believe those two attackers had
trained in Libya. And Libya is that neighboring country with a porous border that is increasingly lawless where ISIS and other militant groups
are gaining a stronger foothold there. So they believe it's likely he spent time there. They're also convinced he had accomplices here in this
They've caught some of them. The investigation is focusing on his roommates. But they say they're also looking for more. Today, the
interior ministry here released two photos of two men they say are connected to this attack, Becky.
ANDERSON: Thank you, Phil.
Tunisian investigators then turning this focus to Libya today as they look into an apparent connection to the beach massacre in Sousse. Let's
talk about the attack with Oussama Romdhani. He is editor-in-chief of the Arab Weekly. He is also a former minister of communications here in
The Libyan connection. Do you buy it?
OUSSAMA ROMDHANI, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF ARAB WEEKLY: It's part of the problem. It's part of the problem. Around Tunisia there is a
neighborhood, to the south there is Libya, which since 2011 has gone through a collapse of its security system. There was a blowback from Libya
that manifested itself after 2011 in Mali which has stirred the French to intervene because arms and fighters moved across borders to Libya.
But a story that has not been fully fathomed, or told, was the story of the blowback on Tunisia since then, because transporter traffic has also
occurred. The UN has documented the smuggling of even manpads to Tunisia, all kinds of weapons.
There was also the transiting of would-be jihadists from Tunisia to Libya to get training and sometimes to make a transit to Syria and Iraq.
So, Libya next door is a problem for Tunisia. And as a problem, we have also remember was caused by the rush exit of the NATO-led campaign on
There was not prepared exit strategy. That has led a vacuum in Libya and that has led Tunisia to suffer enormous consequences without counting
the economic consequences that Tunisia suffered.
[11:20:39] ANDERSON: And the consequences simply of the attack in Sousse and in Bardo so -- at the Bardo museum of course so enormous.
Tourism -- viewers as you know -- a significant part of the lifeblood of Tunisia's economy and the country taking additional measures, of course, to
try to keep its tourists sites safe. It's deploying 1,000 armed police officers as well as army reserves and is closing dozens of mosques outside
of government control.
I talked about the new measures with Rachid Ghannouchi, leader of Tunisia's Ennahda Party. This is what he told me, Oussama. I just want
our viewers to hear this.
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RACHID GHANNOUCHI, LEADER, ENNAHDA PARTY (through translator): We are part of the government. And the government expresses our opinion. We
support everything that stands in the way of terrorism, including the measures that the government is taking. With regards to the closure of
mosques, there are at least 6,000 mosques in Tunisia. So, if some are temporarily closed, then it doesn't mean it's a war against religion, it's
for administrative reasons. And these mosques did not pass the legal requirements.
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ANDERSON: I thought it was fascinating that Ghannouchi supported the closure, albeit it said temporarily, of some 80 mosques, one of 13 measures
that the government here is imposing in order to up its security.
Will that stop -- the closure of mosques, will that stop young Tunisia men turning to extremism?
ROMDHANI: That's a welcome measure which will help, but by itself is will not stop the flow of would-be jihadists across borders.
The mosques were after 2011 one of the main venues of radicalization and of recruitment of jihadists. And we used to be told by the Salafists
who we used to do the recruiting that they're only interested in jihad outside of Tunisia, but there was a very thin line behind jihad outside and
inside apparently. And we eventually learned that jihad inside Tunisia was on their minds.
But, there is another venue, which I think still has to be tackled aggressively. It's the venue of the internet. The internet is still
functions as a main source of radicalization and recruitment of young people and you have to bear in mind also that Tunisia has one of the
highest access rates to the internet in Africa.
ANDERSON: That's fascinating, one of the highest penetration rates. We're going to talk more about what is going on here and the sort of wider
region a little bit later in the show. For the time being, Oussama, thank you very much indeed.
Live from Tunis, this is Connect the World. Coming up, Trump is dumped. Media giant NBC Universal ends its relationship with U.S.
presidential candidate Donald Trump. We're going to tell you why up next.
[08:25:13] ANDERSON: Welcome back to Tunis. This is Connect the World live from Tunisia with me Becky Anderson.
Now billionaire businessman and presidential candidate Donald Trump continues to court controversy. NBC Universal has cut ties with him over
comments in which he said Mexican immigration brought criminals to the United States, including rapists.
Well, Trump and NBC co-owned the Miss Universe and Miss USA pageants, which the network now said it won't air.
Trump defends his comments and says NBC is just weak. Athena Jones has more for you.
DONALD TRUMP, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'd say, am I so bad?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: NBC Universal has cut its ties with Donald Trump citing his derogatory statements calling Mexican immigrants
rapists, drug dealers and criminals.
TRUMP: Somebody has to come out and tell it like it is.
JONES: The real estate mogul stood by those comments before a packed house in Chicago. Quoting a report by Fusion, owned by Spanish language
channel Univision and ABC.
TRUMP: They think it is like Mother Teresa is coming across the border, OK. This one says, 80 percent of Central American women and girls
are raped crossing into the United States. Well, I said drug dealers. I said killers. And I said rapists.
JONES: NBC says it will no longer air the Miss USA or Miss Universe pageants partly owned by Trump following a similar step by Univision, which
also dumped the event. Trump is threatening to sue.
TRUMP: I will be suing Univision, maybe I will be suing NBC too.
JONES: NBC was facing growing pressure to respond with more than 200,000 people signing on to a petition on Change.org calling on the
company to dump Trump. And angry protesters denouncing him outside the Chicago event.
The reality star and now presidential candidate had already planned to give up his hit show "The Apprentice." Amid the controversy, Trump has been
surging in the Republican polls, up to second place in the first primary state of New Hampshire. Oozing confidence in classic Trump style he touted
the latest CNN/WMUR poll.
TRUMP: There is a CNN poll that just came out. And they have interesting categories. Who is the best on terrorism? That's a pretty
important subject? Trump right at the top. Who is the best on handling international trade? Like not even close. Trump is like almost double
anybody else, right? That's incredible.
JONES: As for the man besting him in that poll, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, Trump says he is a nice guy who can't win in 2016.
TRUMP: Believe me, he will never, ever in a million years bring ...
JONES: Athena Jones, CNN, Chicago.
ANDERSON: We're live from Tunis. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson.
Just ahead, new information on the gunman in the Tunisian massacre. We'll have the latest from Sousse as well as our interview with the
country's speaker of parliament. That all coming up after this short break. Do stay with us.
[11:30:57] ANDERSON: A very warm welcome back to Tunis in Tunisia. This is a special Connect the World with me Becky Anderson for you on
The top stories for you this hour.
An Indonesian Red Cross official says the death toll from a military plane crash has risen to 70. The plane was carrying military personnel and
equipment when it went down on the island of Sumatra. It was unclear how many people were on board at the time.
Tunisian authorities say the gunman in the beach resort massacre had ties to a Libya terror organization and likely spent time in Libya as well.
38 people were killed in the mass shooting of -- a majority of them British tourists.
The U.S. State Department says a deadline for the Iran nuclear talks in Vienna has been extended until July 7. Iranian foreign minister
Mohammad Javad Zarif is back at the bargaining table. And he is joined by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and representatives of five other world
powers. Zarif returned to the Austrian capital after a day of consultations in Tehran.
And add another name to the long list of Republicans running for president in the United States. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
addressing supporters as we speak at his former high school. His declaration makes him the 14th significant candidate in the field.
But Christie has a lot of ground to make up. A national CNN poll conducted in late May found that just 4 percent of Republican voters
planned to support him.
Well, Greece has asked for a new two year bailout from Europe's rescue fund for European Stability Mechanism. It is just a few hours, of course,
as you'll be well aware before a deadline for Greece to make a near $2 billion repayment to the IMF, which the Greek government has already said
it will not pay.
Let's get you back here to Tunisia and to the Mediterranean resort town of Sousse. Horror visited that town, of course, on Friday, the scene
of that beach massacre. CNN's Nima Elbagir joins me now from there. And Nima, you have more on why authorities took so long to get to the scene.
NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the sense we're getting is just one of utter disarray, Becky.
We spoke to some of the Tunsians who seemed to have created some sort of human shield between them -- between the tourists and the attacker.
Once they said that he told them you're Arabs. I only want to kill the Europeans, many of them said that they felt brave enough to stand between
him and his intended targets.
All the while, one man told me hoping and praying that police would come. But he says they didn't come for at least 45 minutes.
He showed us still pictures that he took of them covering the bodies of the tourists on the ground while they were waiting for the police force,
trying to get to the bottom of why exactly that was
There seems to have been a lot of concern about whether there was a second gunman, whether there was broader support. We're really finding --
having difficulty pinning the authorities down on that.
But the concern is given that this isn't the first such incident, the fact that, you know, this is a country that is on such high alert, Becky,
for it to have taken that long, a lot of people are worried that the economy, that the fears here are only going to continue to be hit by that.
ANDERSON: Nima, stand by for me, if you will, because I've got need video for our viewers, showing the gunman as he opened fire on his victims.
It was recorded by a hotel worker who was one of several people who chased after this shooter.
CNN International Correspondent Nick Paton Walsh taking us through what was -- or is this dramatic footage.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They are unarmed but still they run towards a gunman who's already killed
guests at the hotel where they work. Towards the pool. Many guests already fled.
That loud blast, perhaps a sound grenade, one several Saif Al Rezgui detonated, equipment that might be a lead to any backers.
he's gone into the hotel lobby, it appears, but perhaps found no more victims. He heads back towards the beach. This cafe near the sands.
The cameraman runs again towards him, yet pauses at the bar. He's seen something. Gun on his shoulder, Rezgui is strolling back towards the
There, we see the victims, their bodies, too gruesome to show. The cameraman keeps low.
"Why, why?" He exclaims.
Lives and livelihoods taken here in these golden tourist sands. No longer firing, is he out of bullets or targets, unwilling to shoot Tunisian
workers. Still, it's those workers who give chase. A head-long rush towards possible death.
The cameraman sees him throw his phone into the sea. They follow him back to the streets. Those bullets heading towards the cameraman, perhaps
from police some very close. It is up this road that Rezgui met his death.
Was he running towards an accomplice who drove him there? Was he seeking another hotel to continue his rampage? He took those secrets to
his grave, yet his last moments captured by one of the many Tunisians who risked their lives for foreigners they may barely had known.
Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Sousse, Tunisia.
ANDERSON: Well, that attack in Sousse comes three months after what was an attack on tourists right here in the heart of Tunis. 21 foreigners
and a Tunisian policeman, you'll remember, were killed in March when two gunmen stormed through the Bardo palace compound where the national museum
shares space with the country's parliament.
Well, the leader of that assembly revisited the scene with Connect the World today telling me that Tunisia will beat those who want to destroy its
institutions. Have a listen.
ANDERSON: The entrance of a museum turned into a blood-stained crime scene after a brutal attack on what has been the seat of power and culture
in Tunisia for eight centuries.
MOHAMMED AL-NASSER, TUNISIA PARLIAMENT MEMBER: The fact that this happens here, this vigil, is very symbolic. We feel it -- us, we as
Tunisians as an aggression against our Tunisia unity, our history, against our culture.
ANDERSON: Three months on as Tunisians come to terms with another attack, the head of the parliament relives the horror of that day.
It was here that we saw tourists fleeing from this door trying to escape from the attack on the Bardo museum. Your office is just beyond us
Your thoughts as we look back on that day?
AL-NASSER: So, our people helped them and they go I would say were some hundreds of them went to escape. And also some of them tried to go to
jump, and then the terrorists was shooting them.
ANDERSON: From behind from inside.
So, there were tourists in the windows trying to escape and there were terrorists behind them.
AL-NASSER: And some of them were -- landed here in this place.
ANDERSON: Walking through the colorful old corridors steeped in history, it's easy to forget that this is also where Tunisia's young
democracy is forging ahead with ambitious transition.
There are those who are trying to destroy the project here. Will they succeed?
[11:40:04] AL-NASSER: We shall will as a people in our force -- our force is in solidarity of the population.
ANDERSON: But Tunisia needs help, and it isn't afraid to to ask for it.
AL-NASSER: All those who would like to encourage us to resist, let's do something. We must be at the level of the needs of Tunisia today. We
have needs in the economy. We have need in investment. We have need in opening markets to our products.
ANDERSON: You need the tourists?
AL-NASSER: We need tourists.
ANDERSON: Mohammed al-Nasser leaves us to get down to the business of the day. The first full session of parliament since the Sousse attacks.
The victims are remembered before plans on how to proceed as a parliament and as a people.
ANDERSON: Mohammed al-Nasser with me earlier on.
I want to get back to Nima Elbagir. And you heard the speaker of parliament saying we need the tourists back as much as they need to sort
out inward investment here and various other things. But getting those tourists back is so important to this country, some 15 percent of GDP made
up by tourism, some million people directly or indirectly involved in tourism here.
Nima, there have been a number of security measures that the government is imposing, not least tourist police on beaches and around the
tourist towns. Are you witnessing that already?
ELBAGIR: Well, so much of that is feeling safe, isn't it, Becky, and that really isn't the sense that you get here.
Just down below me there are rows of empty sun (inaudible). There are those brave enough to lie out there, but you don't get the sense that
people feel confident.
And even though the government is saying that this deployment of tourist police has happened, you don't really see it. There are a few
police officers, with police dogs, but it is really nothing like what we would normally be used to seeing in these kind of situations, very simple
measures like metal detectors in the major hotels. They don't have that in place here, because it is so much about giving people that confidence.
And people really do want to stand with the Tunisians. Most of those westerners, European tourists that we've spoken to, they're heart broken.
They've seen the Tunisians as you saw in Nick Paton Walsh's piece and as we saw when we spoke earlier, they've seen that Tunisians risk their lives for
They don't want to leave, Becky, but the Tunisian authorities need to give them a reason to stay. And so far we're really not seeing that,
ANDERSON: Nima Elbagir is in Sousse for you.
We are live from the capital of Tunis. This is Connect the World. Coming up, as world powers and Iran close in on a nuclear deal, what are
the regional implications here in North Africa and across the Middle East? We're going to take a look at that up next.
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[11:45:27] MOHAMMAD JAVAD ZARIF, IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER: I didn't go to get a mandate. I already had a mandate to negotiate. And I came
here to get a final deal, and I think we can.
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ANDERSON: Well, you're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back viewers.
We just heard from the Iranian foreign minister in Vienna saying he is there to get a final deal on his country's nuclear program.
Iran and world powers, including U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry have been in lengthy meetings to try to reach an agreement. And learned a
short time ago that their deadline of June 30 has now been pushed back a week to next Tuesday.
Now even if a deal gets done, both Zarif and Kerry have to sell it to powerful factions back home.
CNN's Fred Pleitgen is in Tehran. And he spoke to a conservative member of Iran's parliament about what needs to be done.
FRED PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Obviously the nuclear negotiations are in a very decisive phase right now. How good do you think
the chances are that a deal will be reached. And what does Iran want to achieve?
ALADDIN BORUJERDI, CHAIRMAN, IRANIAN FOREIGN POLICY COMMITTEE: I believe the sanctions must be lifted all at once. This is a necessary
condition. Of course, when it comes to executing the sanction relief, that might take more time. Both the implementation of the restrictions on Iran
from any agreement and the execution of lifting the sanctions may take longer.
But from day one it must be declared that the sanctions will be lifted. And inspecting our military facilities is a definite red line.
PLEITGEN: Presumably you've already spoken to foreign minister Zarif about how the way the negotiations are going. How confident are you that
an agreement can be reached?
BORUJERDI (through translator): Both sides must show serious will for an agreement. And considering the fact that we have accepted restrictions
on our program at the Lausanne talks, we believe the Islamic Republic of Iran has done its part. Now it's the other side that has to make a
decision. And the other side, especially the United States, wants to put on a show as they have done in the past when they've reneged on previous
agreements with Iran.
PLEITGEN: If these negotiations go well, if there is an agreement, could that lead to better relations with the United States, for instance,
also cooperation in the field of fighting terrorism, fighting ISIS? And what do you think will be the consequences if this fails?
BORUJERDI (through translator): We are witnessing a new atmosphere, which includes long-term discussions, longer than ever before. The two
foreign ministers talked for countless hours.
And even though this was just about the nuclear issue, Iran considers this a historical test for the United States, because we still do not trust
At this sensitive juncture, the United States must show that it really wants to bring down this wall of mistrust between us.
ANDERSON: Will a deal in Iran will have an effect domestically and internationally of course, but even on a regional level the deal would once
again pit Iran against its regional rival Saudi Arabia.
Countries like Saudi and Israel have long expressed their opposition to an agreement, but what about countries in North Africa? For that, I'm
joined by political analyst Oussama Romdhani. He's also the editor-in- chief of the Arab Weekly, and if you've been watching the hour you'll have met him a little earlier on.
What are the consequences of a shift in the Middle East power balance from your perspective as a Tunisian?
ROMDHANI: As a Tunisian, as a North African, what we feel the most is increased disengagement by the west, by the U.S. from the region. I
understand this is a problematic region, it is a region that's going through a mass systemic failure, socioeconomically, politically, security
wise and the rest. But withdrawal and disengagement the way we saw it from Europe, which has not stepped to the plate as much as we wanted it in North
Africa to help, they are now a bit scared of immigration, but there is more than that.
Tunisia, for instance, needs a more active support, more strong signal from the west to help it face the current security predicament.
So, I'm saying that there is that same preoccupation that's on the mind of people in the Middle East regarding the west.
ANDERSON: Do people in this region blame the Sunni Arab world for much of the tension and the problems that the wider Middle East and North
Africa is now going through?
ROMDHANI: You have to put things into perspective for North Africa. North Africa is overwhelmingly Sunni compared to the Middle East where
there are other religious minorities. In North Africa there isn't.
Sectarianism never really set in North Africa. But if you push North Africans to take a position, they'll take a pro-Sunni position. People are
a little bit apprehensive of Iran's intentions as expressed in Iraq, for instance, the dominance played by Iran was not reassuring as to its intent.
[08:50:36] ANDERSON: As of last year, Tunisia waived visa agreements for Iranians visiting Tunisia. How would you describe relations between
Tunisia and Iran. And the prospects for the future.
ROMDHANI: Relations are good with Iran and the main perspective is economic. Tunisia needs to diversify its partners and Iranians have
expressed good intent as far as developing trade ties and the rest.
There has been no serious Shiite activism in Tunisia. Shiites have manifested themselves a little bit more since 2011, but they have
manifested themselves more aggressively in Morocco provoking crisis, not in Tunisia.
ANDERSON: Fascinating. Oussama, it's been great having you on.
ROMDHANI: A pleasure. Take care.
ANDERSON: What do you think of the Iranian nuclear talks and the ramifications, the impact, the consequences? We'd love to hear from you.
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This is Connect the World. Coming up, he has won 17 Grand Slam titles, including seven Wimledon Championships. So, what keeps Roger
Federer going? CNN sat down with him. You can find out what he said after this.
ANDERSON: You're watching Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. You're back with us in Tunis.
But we're going to take you over to the UK at this point.
He's considered by some as the greatest tennis player of all time. And with 17 Grand Slam titles, including seven at Wimbledon alone, it is
hard to argue. Roger Federer is back again at Wimbledon this year and got through his first round game with ease just a few hours ago.
So, what motivates him to keep going? Well, Christiane Amanpour sat down with him to find out.
ROGER FEDERER, 17-TIME GRAND SLAM WINNER: I've won four titles this year. I came close last year, five sets here against Novak; Semis at the
So, I know I can do it. It's just that some guys just are really playing very well in some moments. And that's where I also have to elevate
my game and play my very best, because anything other than not playing your best against the best when they're hot is not going to do it.
AMANPOUR: How do you still do it? You know, not just your skill but the discipline, the fitness, the fact that Rafa has been injured several
times and you've managed somehow to play in a way that's allowed you to keep playing this long.
FEDERER: Yes, that's the thing. I've been somewhat lucky as well to stay injury free, because you can always get unlucky and break something,
tear something. And that just goes with -- it just happens.
So for me, I've never had to have surgery. I've never had an injection. Having to play with painkillers, fine. I've had to do that. But
other than that, it's been very much focused on healthy lifestyle, enjoying the traveling, the practice, the matches, having the right team around
yourself. My wife's obviously been the rock behind it all. She's been with me throughout my first title until today. So she's clearly incredibly
So just looking at all these things I've done probably -- taken a lot of right decisions along the way.
AMANPOUR: Do you ever feel that it's time to hang up the tennis shoes or the racquet?
FEDERER: I think hopefully never, really, you know. But maybe on a professional level, you have to eventually because the body or the mind
will just say, you know what, it's been great but let's do other things in life as well because it's only a short span of your life. But let's make
the most of it. And then I hope I still play for fun with my friends, with my kids, with my wife in the future. So I'll never probably really retire.
But the day will come and I'll be totally happy probably doing that as well.
AMANPOUR: Let me just read you this quote from Floyd Mayweather who just obviously had the boxing. He said about boxing, "It's my job. I go to
the gym, I train, I go home, I do what I have to do. At one particular time, it was fun. But I'm to a point to where I'm really over all of this."
Is it still fun?
FEDERER: Yes, no, I don't see it as a job really. I still see it as the -- my hobby that became this dreamland I can move about. Like I
explained, for me, it was never -- I never dreamed this far in my dreams, to be this professional tennis player. So of course going to the gym and
going to work out, yes, I would rather do other things at times. But at the end of the day, I know why I'm doing it because I love playing on Centre
Court. I love traveling the world and I make a lot of sacrifices to make it all work and I love doing what I'm doing. So I never saw it as a job per se
to be quite honest.
ANDERSON: Roger Federer speaking to Christiane.
Just before we close out, I just want to get you back to one our top stories today. And a new development here in Tunisia regarding the terror
attack on a beach resort in Sousse on Friday, 145 kilometers south of the capital here.
The Tunisian interior ministry says it is seeking two men, Rafiq bin Mohmmed Najib Ali al-Taryari (ph) and Mohammed al Sharadi (ph) in
connection with the deadly shooting. The interior minister spokesman tells CNN they are believed to be accomplices in the attack. 38 people were
killed in the mass shooting. A majority of them were British tourists.
Well, that is it from us for this hour, however, CNN of course continues. I'm Becky Anderson. You've been watching Connect the World
from the team here in Tunis and those working with us around the world as we say good night.