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Bobbi Kristina`s Last Days; Shocking Videos Of A Man Beating An Accused Teen Thief; the boyfriend, Nick Gordon, Has A High Powered Attorney, Fighting The $40 Million Lawsuit Filed By The Family; Pat Robertson Weighed In On The Gay Marriage Issue Back In April. Aired 9-10p ET

Aired July 02, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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(21:00:15) DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Bobbi Kristina`s last days. Why the police were called to her hospice facility? Plus, shocking videos

of a man beating an accused teen thief. Look at that and I warned you, this is tough to watch.

But, let us get started. It all starts now with the "Top of the feed." Relatives of Bobbi Kristina Brown are gathering at her bedside. Meanwhile,

the boyfriend, Nick Gordon, has a high powered attorney, now he is hired. He is fighting the $40 million lawsuit filed by the family. Take a look at

this.

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ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They found a 20-year-old girl face down in a bathtub unresponsive.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 MALE DISPATCHER: 21-year-old female in bathtub, facedown. PD`s en route.

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TOMMY BROWN, BROTHER OF BOBBY BROWN: On behalf of Bobbi Kris, I know she thanks all of you all for your support and your continued prayers.

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SEDAGHATFAR: Was this foul play? Was this something she intentionally did to herself? Was this an accident?

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PINSKY: Bobbi Kristina Brown finally moved to hospice.

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SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The family has made it very clear that they have not been a fan of Nick Gordon.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Bobbi Kristina`s aunt got a restraining order against him last year. She claimed he posted photos of guns and made

threats against her.

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PINSKY: Bobbi Kristina`s conservator filed a $40 million civil lawsuit against the boyfriend, Nick Gordon.

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SEDAGHATFAR: They are accusing him of physically abusing Bobbi Kristina.

Joining us Samantha Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com, Areva Martin, Attorney and legal analyst and Michael Catherwood, my "Love Line" and KABC

Radio co-host.

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Sam, update. Let us give you all the details. We know there is a lawsuit. We know he has hired a high power attorney. We know that somebody --

police were showing up at the hospice center.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: Yes.

PINSKY: What is going on?

SCHACHER: So, he has been photographed at his house in Florida.

PINSKY: Nick.

SCHACHER: So, that tells us --

PINSKY: Nick Gordon.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: He is not in treatment anymore.

SCHACHER: Yes. That tells us he is not in treatment. That tells us he is not on the bedside of Bobbi Kristina. Also, there is a witness that,

claims to have seen him, quote, unquote, "Drunk as a skunk."

Now, we cannot confirm that allegation. Also, he has hired as you mentioned earlier, a high profile legal team, including Jose Baez. That is

the attorney, if you guys remember, for Casey Anthony. Got Casey Anthony off for murdering her 2-year-old daughter.

PINSKY: Yes. Good times.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Joining me on the phone, Sunny Hostin, CNN Legal Analyst. She has been in contact with the Brown family. Sunny, what are you hearing?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST (via phone): Well, I am hearing that they are certainly at her bedside, Dr. Drew. She has been moved to hospice.

She is on morphine. They are trying to make her as comfortable as possible, but they certainly believe that her last days are here.

PINSKY: Oh, yes. I mean you have to -- you have to sort of be qualified for hospice. And, that means she got less than six months to live. And,

with this kind of condition, it is on the order of weeks, for sure. How about the fact that Nick Gordon is running around? Have there been any

thoughts of allowing him to come visit her?

HOSTIN: Absolutely not. The family has been extremely clear. They believe that he has not been completely truthful as to what happened to

Bobbi Kristina. They do not want him at the hospice. They do not want him to see her. They want him nowhere near Bobbi Kristina even in her final

days.

PINSKY: And, Sunny, the police were there today, I guess. Can you tell us why that was? Is there any information about that?

HOSTIN: I do not have any clear information. I mean, for some time we have seen a police presence. We have also seen ambulances coming back and

forth.

What I have been told is, "Listen, this is a hospice. There are other very ill people there. So some of the visitations that you see may not have

anything to do with Bobbi Kristina, but perhaps some of the other people that are there at the hospice. "

But as far as I know, nothing so far in terms of police presence having to do with Bobbi Kristina.

PINSKY: Sunny, thank you so much for the update. I am -- Apparently, "Entertainment Tonight," Sam, has reported that people were posing as

family members in order -- yes, Areva, it is pretty crazy, right? But, I mean that it is the way where we live in. People are posing as family

members to get in there, to get a picture, to get a report, whatever it might be. I mean, what would they be charged with --

SCHACHER: Vultures.

PINSKY: Well, they are horrible vultures.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: Well, they are trespassing.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: They are not family members. They have no legal rights to be there if they are not there visiting a family member. And, we know the

Brown family has been very, very protective of Bobbi Kristina. As, you would expect them to be

So, they have been very clear about who has access to her and who does not. And, as Sunny said, Nick Gordon, No way. Particularly, now that we have

these allegations of domestic violence that came out in the civil lawsuit that was filed by the conservator.

PINSKY: So, in the suit, he hit her in the mouth, knocks some teeth out, stole money from her --

SCHACHER: Stole money and --

MARTIN: Dragged her by her hair.

SCHACHER: -- And, yes, grabbed her by the hair. And, here is the thing, his family -- her family actually said, "Hey, you took this money from her.

Return it." He refuses to make it right. He refuses to return the money. So --

MARTIN: I do not even know if he has any money. That is the problem.

MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S CO-HOST IN "LOVE LINE" AND KABC RADIO: Where is he getting the money for this legal team? I cannot imagine --

(21:05:00) SCHACHER: Do what you have to do to return that money, I am sorry.

PINSKY: OK. Let me read you what we got about this lawsuit. It is a $40 million lawsuit. It is filed by Bobbi Kristina`s conservator. It alleges

physical abuse. And, here what it says. "Defendant also began to commit domestic violence on Brown including punching her in the face, knocking out

her front tooth, dragging her upstairs by her hair."

MARTIN: Yes.

PINSKY: Goes onto say, "Even after Brown`s hospitalization and while she was in a coma, the defendant accessed Brown`s bank accounts and stole in

excess of $11,000 from Brown`s bank accounts."

I saw this guy on the Dr. Phil. I think we have got some footage that we are going to air a little while. But, this guy is in trouble -- the fact

that he is out of treatment -- Mike, let me just ask you. That kid out of treatment is using.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. Yes.

PINSKY: That is the easy --

CATHERWOOD: Especially in Florida. It is like law, you know, over there.

PINSKY: Right. Yes. I want to bring in Segun Odoulowu. He is host of "Wired In With Segun" Podcast. Segun, should the family allow this guy to

visit her do you think?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, HOST OF "WIRED IN WITH SEGUN" PODCAST: Absolutely --

PINSKY: No?

ODUOLOWY: Well, absolutely not. I mean I saw the shock on the faces of the people on the days and I did not get it. I mean we seem surprised that

a vial person does vile things. And, this guy is a snake to me. You stole $11,000 from a woman in a coma. I mean why not just push babies down the

stairs and trip old people?

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: Like he is a horrible human being. So, anything that he is done is not surprising. And, yes, they say it is allegedly that he stole this

$11,000. But he has no -- as you said. They have no chance to give it back and does not even pretend to even walk to give it back.

He is a vile human being even viler -- even viler. And this, I would love for you all to talk about this. The fact that people are sneaking in to

see Bobbi Kristina in this state --

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: And, Dr. Drew, you have talked about the dignity of death.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: But, the fact that the family is televising, you know, it was -- it was Tyler Perry in his Rolls-Royce who is going to see her. All of

these people flocking down to theater, it feels almost like a bug in a glass jar. And, that bothers me that everyone is flaunt. This should be a

time when the family closes ranks not every visitation be televised.

SCHACHER: Well, I do not know. I do not know. Perhaps, he is taking those pictures. He is not the family. I do not think --

MARTIN: I do not think that is a fair accusation against the family, because from what we are being told, the family is being very protective of

her.

SCHACHER: Yes. Yes.

MARTIN: And, they are not letting people in, who are not a part of that immediate family. We know Tyler Perry was very close to Whitney Houston.

So, I do not think that is fair --

ODUOLOWU: But, that does not make Tyler being close to Whitney Houston does not make Tyler an immediate family --

MARTIN: Well --

PINSKY: But -- but --

MARTIN: -- As a parent someone is close to the mom, it stands to reason if they have a close relationship with the child as well, so we do not know --

SCHACHER: We can keep our blame on Nick Gordon. That is where I agree with you. And, I think he is a snake. You look at his history. You look

how there is one family member from Bobbi Kristina that filed a restraining order against him in the past, because he was brandishing a weapon,

threatening to kill her. This is not a good person.

PINSKY: Let me show you this guy. People who are not familiar with who Nick Gordon is. So, let me show you a little tape. He was interviewed by

Dr. Phil. Get a sense of this. Go ahead. Here, watch this.

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GORDON: Yes. I have been drinking. I have been doing Xanax. And, that is it. I have been -- I have been like sober besides that.

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DR. PHIL: Nick, I am really sorry for your pain. I cannot --

GORDON: No, you cannot. You cannot. My pain is horrible. My pain -- like my heart hurts. I have panic attacks.

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PINSKY: Yes. The pain is he is trying to get off drugs. That is what is painful.

SCHACHER: See, that is a really --

ODUOLOWU: He feels that he killed -- it is like he did, but --

SCHACHER: That is a really sad video, Dr. Drew, but there is no -- That is a sad video, but there is no real tears.

PINSKY: Right.

SCHACHER: Crocodile tears, honestly.

PINSKY: Right. You feel the disconnect. Hang on.

MARTIN: I want to go back to the --

ODUOLOWU: Sam, I think he did it.

PINSKY: Hold on.

ODUOLOWU: I think that his pain is from that he did it, and that why he is succumbing --

PINSKY: That is Segun`s opinion, we cannot refute --

ODUOLOWU: Mine. Mine.

PINSKY: Yes. Your opinion only. But, Mike, you are a recovering addict, what do you see?

CATHERWOOD: Yes -- No, he is definitely -- I mean this is a man who is deeply amidst of addiction --

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: Deeply amidst of addiction.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: I just -- I mean, I really -- at the center of it, if Bobbi Kristina was able to speak up for herself, I have a hard time believing

that she would want any of this to be happening, you know?

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: And, it is such a sad, sad way for us -- everyone is focusing on the different ways that you can create dignity in her last days, but

none of this speaks to any level of dignity.

PINSKY: Well --

CATHERWOOD: At the center of it, you have a woman -- and also -- and frankly, I feel very sorry for the fact -- for Bobby Senior and the other

family because they -- they almost have to choice but to deal with this kind of media circus.

PINSKY: The circus. That is right.

CATHERWOOD: Through us upon them.

PINSKY: I mean if they did not have people camped out around the facility, you know there would be drones coming --

MARTIN: Oh my God.

PINSKY: This is the world we live in. We will keep this going. But, later on, a man beats an accused teen thief with a leather strap. Severe

abuse. And, I say it is profane. Look at those images and you think if that is not profane. Back after this.

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(21:14:06) LISA HOLLAND, SPOKESPERSON FOR THER ROSWELL POLICE DEPARTMENT: A 911 call stating that a lady was unresponsive in a bathtub. Later, it

was determined that was Bobbi Kristina Brown.

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PINSKY: She has finally moved to hospice last week, which is an acknowledgement that there is no probability of her living longer than six

months.

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Who are we to tell a family when it is OK for them to say good-bye to their dying daughter? If they keep her alive, what does it matter if you are

already telling me she is dead? They might as well just let her do what they are doing now, because there is no dignity in this death.

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PINSKY: Bobbi Kristina is in hospice. The boyfriend goes on the offensive hiring a high power legal team. Back with Sam, Areva, Mike and Segun.

And, Segun, you say you do not think she is dying with dignity. What do you mean by that?

ODUOLOWU: Well, I feel like she is being observed. I feel that we are basically --

PINSKY: What is a dignified death to you?

ODUOLOWU: Well, that is the thing. I was the one who is always advocating keeping her alive on life support for -- until --

(21:15:00) PINSKY: Until what? Until the tissue actually falls off her bones? MRSA in in every inch of her body? I mean to what end?

ODUOLOWU: The doctors -- Well, you say that she is brain dead. So, if --

PINSKY: I did not say she is brain dead.

ODUOLOWU: OK.

PINSKY: I said she is in a vegetative state --

ODUOLOWU: Vegetative state.

PINSKY: -- from which there is going to be no recovery.

ODUOLOWU: OK.

PINSKY: And no meaningful interaction with the outside world. No consciousness. Only suffering and contracturing and wounds and infections

and pneumonias.

ODUOLOWU: But no conscious thought of pain.

PINSKY: No conscious, anything. Well, if there is anything, it will only be pain and misery.

ODUOLOWU: Well, I guess the way I am looking at it is, it has become a circus and at the center of it is this vegetable unfortunately that was

once a beautiful and vibrant girl. At first, I wanted to keep her alive, so we could get to the bottom of it. Let there be an investigation --

PINSKY: No, you wanted her to wake up.

ODUOLOWU: Well, I would love for her to wake up, but it is --

PINSKY: No one wakes up from stuff like this. That is what drives me crazy. Areva, go ahead.

MARTIN: Yes, I disagree with you, Segun. I think they have done a phenomenal job given the high profile status of who we are talking about.

It is very difficult --

ODUOLOWU: Who is they?

MARTIN: The family.

ODUOLOWU: Because I will never give that same decision -- They watched the daughter to die --

MARTIN: OK. Well, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish.

PINSKY: And -- Hold on guys.

MARTIN: The family has done an outstanding of keeping --

PINSKY: Let me interrupt you one second, one second. Which is also to point out people asked in the previous segment about Tyler Perry. It turns

out he is her God Father.

MARTIN: OK. Then to my point of why he should be there.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: I think the family has done a great good job of keeping the media circus to a really low level given the high profile nature of Whitney

Houston and this is her daughter. Let us face it. We are in a highly intense, you know, 24-hour news cycle. So, anything that happens with high

profile people is covered.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: And, I just want to say something about that lawsuit. It is very important, Dr. Drew, because now there is a motive. Why would Nick Gordon

want her to be dead?

PINSKY: Why?

MARTIN: Now, we are learning that she was going to tell a friend about the domestic violence.

PINSKY: Oh.

SCHACHER: Right.

MARTIN: About the conversion of the money --

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: -- About him misappropriating money. So, she was trying to --from what we told in the lawsuit, get out of that abusive relationship and that

would be the motive, and he had opportunity because he was in the house. So, those are very critical points that hopefully will lead to some kind of

prosecutions or charges criminally against Nick Gordon.

SCHACHER: Right. Yes. I am so glad that you brought that --

PINSKY: One second. Hold on, one second. First Sam, then we will give you a chance.

SCHACHER: Yes. Really quickly. I am so glad that you brought up that motive, Because she was actually leaving to go meet with that friend that

very morning.

PINSKY: Wow.

SCHACHER: That very day.

PINSKY: OK. That is new information.

ODUOLOWU: So, we are on my side now that we think that maybe he did this?

SCHACHER: I have been on your side. I have been on your side.

ODUOLOWU: Maybe now you are on Segun`s side?

PINSKY: Here is where --

MARTIN: We are on the side of the facts.

ODUOLOWU: Well, Areva, how can you be on the side of the facts when that family watched Whitney do drugs and they let her die --

MARTIN: But, now that is a whole different story.

ODUOLOWU: No, but they --

MARTIN: We are talking about Bobbi.

ODUOLOWU: But, her daughter has come to almost the exact same death --

PINSKY: Segun, let us at least --

ODUOLOWU: That family is unfair, Areva.

MARTIN: To commend them in how they are handling the situation.

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PINSKY: Let us at least agree it is a dysfunctional sick relationship.

ODUOLOWU: Absolutely.

PINSKY: And horrible things happen and this dysfunctional sick circumstances often time. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, Dr. Drew, I disagree with what you were saying the finality of Bobbi Kristina`s death or that we are

reiterating that she is going to die.

PINSKY: She is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I personally have witnessed --

PINSKY: No, no, no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: -- Someone who has been on life support who has came back, who has been -- who was on life support for two and a half

months. And, this person is -- does have finite motor skills, some differences in his verbiages, but he has recovered totally.

PINSKY: No, no. Wait. Hang on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So, I think the power of miracle and prayer is effective.

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PINSKY: Hang on. First of all --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Thank you.

ODUOLOWU: The power of miracles, baby.

PINSKY: Stay there. Stay there. Whoa, whoa. Whoa! Hey, we do not know what the medical details were of that case in question. We know in Bobbi

Kristina`s case there is no more brain. Brain is scrambled. It is gone. It is over. We just know that now. We know those facts.

I do not know what the facts were in this particular case and there is not a full recovery. That is somebody who has severe brain damage you are

describing. And, who may be happy they recovered, but myself, I would not want to risk coming back as a profoundly impaired, unable to be productive

kind of stay.

CATHERWOOD: Strangest thing we watch. We just watch it happen right now. Like I would never talk to my plumber --

PINSKY: I know.

CATHERWOOD: Who I called them to my house and he said, I think you need to a-bolt right there and --

PINSKY: Pray, pray they get better! Just pray that it get better. You do not need a plumber.

CATHERWOOD: I am going to pray.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: And makes sure that, you know, maybe God will take care of the flooding in my house.

PINSKY: Yes. I know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: This is a fact --

PINSKY: That is it.

CATEHRWOOD: No. It is not fact. He is a doctor. That is a fact. And he knows way better than anyone who is not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I am not saying that medical -- you know --

PINSKY: Did you see the scans? Did they talk to you about the nature of the anatomy?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes! Yes.

CATHERWOOD: I believe --

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PINSKY: What was the anatomic injury? Mike, hold on! What was the anatomic injury? What was the anatomic injury?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: The anatomic injury was he had a brain injury.

PINSKY: Where? Where? Where?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He fell from --

PINSKY: Where?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He fell from an apartment --

PINSKY: Where was the injury?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hold on a second. We are not in a courtroom.

PINSKY: Well, tell me. I need the anatomy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He fell from a --

PINSKY: What is the anatomy?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He fell from --

PINSKY: I do not care where he fell from.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He feel from a building --

PINSKY: What is the brain injury?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: -- and hit his brain.

PINSKY: Where. What is the anatomy of the brain injury specifically? What region of the brain? What specific --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, I do not know what part of the brain, you know.

PINSKY: Right. You do not know because you cannot know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: But the fact is he lived. You are talking finalities. You are taking away the people`s power of faith and prayer and

hope.

(21:20:00) PINSKY: Listen.

SCHACHER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So I think that is wrong Dr. Drew --

SCHACHER: Here is the thing. Hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: -- and I disagree with you.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew knows what he is talking about but in your defense, in Layman`s terms we do not know the difference between different comas.

PINSKY: I know that.

SCHACHER: I learned it from you.

PINSKY: There is all kind -

SCHACHER: There are different types of comas.

SCHACHER: There are different comas. There is different regions of injuries. There is different prognostic circumstances.

CATHERWOOD: We do not know, but he does. And that is my point, and other doctors do. And, it is the courageous thing, because no one -- even my

dumb job, no one would ever call me up and be like, "Listen, I need to give you expert advice on how to do your job in radio."

And I would say, "Well, no. I kind of know what I am doing. You do not, you have no experience." Yet, when it comes to saving lives and people who

spend half their life in school studying the human body. Any nudnik can come along and be like, well, I am going to keep hope alive because --

ODUOLOWU: But, Mike to take away someone`s want for hope is to do them as much a disservice as to second guess a doctor who is an expert.

CATHERWOOD: Segun, you are right.

ODUOLOWU: What I am saying is there are more things that are found in your textbooks -- there are more things that are found in your textbooks that

exist in this world. All I am saying is allow for that possibility.

CATHERWOOD: No one --

ODUOLOWU: All I am saying is allow for that possibility.

CATHERWOOD: No one would want to -- to -- to in any way dilute your faith nor this young lady is. I believe --

PINSKY: Hope is critical.

CATHERWOOD: The passion and the hope for a miracle is a beautiful thing. I really true believe them, but the two can exist simultaneously.

PINSKY: That is right.

CATHEWOOD: Listening to someone who is an expert in science and also --

ODUOLOWU: I do not disagree with you, Mike --

PINSKY: Hang on. We got to get there this.

ODUOLOWU: I agree with you, Mike.

PINSKY: Segun, I have to interrupt you. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. I am a nurse and I work in a hospital in hospice care.

PINSKY: Right.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

PINSKY: Thank you. How many disasters do you see when people are in denial? Because they will not --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Tons.

PINSKY: And, how much suffering do you have to witness --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: All the time. I was going to talk about that.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: The thing is I agree, like I am not trying to cause a disturbance or something, huge problem. I am just saying, I agree,

there is hope. Hoping that person gets better.

PINSKY: Of course, hope has to did there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: But, the thing is it takes a toll on the family too.

PINSKY: Absolutely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Seeing them like you have said, in a vegetative state. Yes, there may be a possible miraculous event that they

can get out of it, but the problem is there is a huge to toll in the seeing them just laying there. It is not even like they are --

PINSKY: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. So, you and I know when somebody is going to recover and when they are not. We know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: And we know what it is going to be like if they recover many times. And, would you or I -- if we were in Bobbi Kristina`s case, would

you want hospice?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Honestly no.

PINSKY: Like if you are in Bobbi Kristina`s situation? With a massive hypoxic brain injury, a global injury. No meaningful function beyond the

brainstem, you want to try and lie in bed and fall apart like that or you better be in hospice? Which would you be, hospice or not? I would be in

hospice for sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I would say hospice, but at the same time, I would take a toll on me as well just seeing like, you know her suffering,

et cetera. Is that what we are talking about?

PINSKY: No. No. If you were in Bobbi Kristina`s state.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Oh, if I was in her state, though. Yes.

PINSKY: Would you be in hospice? For sure. No question asked. That is all. We got to go. Guys, we got to take a break. We have next war over

same-sex marriage.

And later on was the beating of an alleged teen thief justified. I say it is categorically profane. What is up with the people walking around too?

Why are not they calling the cops? Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Just because gay marriage is a go in America does not mean the new sentiment applies to other LGBT issues. Check this

out from HBO.

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JOHN OLIVER, ENGLISH TELEVISION HOST: It is everywhere. It even turned up in a campaign ad when Gainesville, Florida, was trying to pass one of these

bills.

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OLIVER: OK. Let us -- Let us break that (EXPLETIVE WORD) down because first, assaulting children is still illegal. Secondly, someone abusing a

nondiscrimination ordinance to assault someone in a bathroom is almost unheard of.

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PINSKY: Yes, I would agree with that. And, marriage equality, law of the land. But, some states, local governments still not complying, apparently.

Back, with Sam, Areva, Mike. Sam, what is going on, on the state level?

SCHACHER: OK. So, in several states, the governors and attorney generals of that state, they object the ruling, but they are complying. So, for

example, Alabama and Louisiana, they will comply but only after a 25-day waiting period so legal objections can be filed.

Arkansas will comply, but they are complying grudgingly. They also will not force religious institutions to recognize same-sex marriage.

Mississippi and South Dakota are also implanting a waiting period.

And, finally, Texas, you can be fined for refusing to issue a license, but the attorney general said he was sure that lawyers would come to the

defense of those clerks that are objecting.

PINSKY: Areva, what say you?

MARTIN: What are they waiting for? The Supreme Court has already answered the question. Gay marriages are legal in the country. I do not know what

these attorney generals are doing.

You know, states do not get to deny people their equal rights under the U.S. constitution. Just does not happen. So, I say those states attorneys

are way out of bounds and those clerks need to issue marriage licenses consistent with that ruling.

PINSKY: Are there consequences of states resisting this?

MARTIN: Absolutely. Those states should be fined --

PINSKY: But, what is fined?

MARTIN: -- and those employees should be terminated if they do not follow the law.

CATHERWOOD: Who collects the money if they get fined? Like if the state gets fined --

PINSKY: IRS?

CATHERWOOD: -- then they go to the IRS?

MARTIN: No. IRS is not going to get the money. Those employees should be fired. They are going to say to someone, "Look, did you commit adultery?

And if you did, I do not want to issue you a marriage license."

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: So, how they get so sanctimonious about gay marriage, but not the other sins in the bible. Adultery for an occasion, children out of a

wedlock. Are they issuing marriage license to those individuals?

PINSKY: Pat Robertson weighed in on the gay marriage issue back in April. We have this from YouTube. Take a look at this.

SCHACHER: Cannot wait.

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(21:30:00) PAT ROBINSON, HOST OF "700 CLUB": The gays are going to get it. They are going to make you conform to them. You are going to say,

you like anal sex. You like oral sex. You like bestiality.

Sooner or later, you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs to the group of some abhor rent thing. It will not stop at homosexuality.

What about polyamory, all about polygamy, where you got multiple wives. How can we say that one is constitutional, the other is not. What is so

terrible about having sex with animals? Well, that is going to come next.

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PINSKY: Kayleigh McEnany is a conservative commentator. Kayleigh, what about Pat Roberson and his slippery slope argument?

KAYLEIGH MCCENNANY, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Look, I would not have chosen the same verbiage as Pat Robertson, but he was taking a point about

religious liberty, and how there is going to be an infringement upon it because of what came out of the Supreme Court on Friday.

PINSKY: Will there be?

MCENANY: He largely articulated -- yes. He articulated the same exact rational we hears from Chief Justice Roberts.

SCHACHER: What?

MCENANY: And, he is exactly right. That is the next -- Chief Justive Roberts said in his descent the next Supreme Court cases are going to be

certain factions trying to push religious institutions into supporting a practice that is against their deeply religious beliefs.

SCHACHER: Wait.

MCENANY: That is the next step. And, the solicitor general, by the way, President Obama, solicitor general in oral arguments said some

organizations might lose their tax exempt status because they do not support same-sex marriage. So, that is that is going to happen. It is not

a matter of this, it is a matter of when.

SCHACHER: OK. Kayleigh, I do not see this -- I do not think this should be a religious issue. I think this should be a human rights issue. That

is exactly what it is. And, here is the thing. You and I can disagree on this, where I have an issue is when people then go and advocate like we

just saw on that vide.

They go and advocate and try and take away someone`s right. You and I, have the right to marry whoever we want. Why cannot a gay, lesbian,

transgender, bi-person marry who they want? That is when I get upset. That is when I get upset.

MARTIN: And, let me just add this to --

MCENANY: Let me answer Sam really quick. It becomes a religious issue when you break down the doors of the church, of the mosque, and the

synagogue and you take a term that has been defined by --

SCHACHER: Who are you to say that to people? OK. That is God`s job.

MCENANY: Sam. Sam.

SCHACHER: God is love. Who are you to tell people that they are wrong, Kayleigh? That is wrong. That is discriminatory.

MCENANY: I am not --

PINSKY: Go ahead.

MARTIN: The law --

MCENANY: Every nation --

MARTIN: Kayleigh, let me tell you something about the law --

MCENANY: Every nation --

MARTIN: Let me just tell you this about the law. This is about civil rights.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

MARTIN: We are not saying to people who have these religious beliefs that you should stop believing what you believe in terms of who marriages

between, but civilly. Do you know it was 1967 in this country, it was not until then that you could marry -- I could not marry you. Interracial

marriage was banned.

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MCENANY: Areva. Areva.

PINSKY: The same argument, right? Same argument.

MARTIN: It was not until 1967 that Mike and I could have tied the knot.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I think you are going to hook up after this.

CATHERWOOD: Now, we can get married.

PINSKY: Kayleigh, very quick and I want to bring another person into the discussion.

MCENANY: Sure.

PINSKY: But, Kayleigh, go ahead.

MCENANY: There is a way to do both. There is a way to give contractual rights, which is the job of government. No one should be deprived of the

rights --

PINSKY: This is the civil union argument, right?

MCENANY: Or inherit property. But, at the same time, there is the first amendment. You guys can go check it out. Freedom of exercise of religion.

You cannot force this upon mosque --

PINSKY: OK.

MARTIN: Thank you, Kayleigh, but we know what the first amendment is.

PINSKY: Jim Domen, is a pastor with the California Family Council. Jim, you identify as X homosexual, right? Is that how you call yourself? And,

help me understand what that means and where you ring in on this argument.

JIM DOMEN, PASTOR, CALIFORNIA FAMILY COUNCIL: We are talking about the Supreme Court decision. So, if you will, I will talk about --

PINSKY: Go ahead. We will talk about that next block.

DOMEN: We can do that next block. Anyway, I want to Areva -- I am curious what type of an attorney are you because --

MARTIN: A damn good one.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: Yeah, girl. Yeah, girl.

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MARTIN: A Harvard trained one.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: Honors Harvard law graduate. That is what I am talking about.

PINSKY: You are a civil rights attorney, are not you?

MARTIN: A civil rights attorney that studies this and talks about it all day every day on every major show in this country. That kind of attorney.

CATHERWOOD: So hot. So hot.

(LAUGHING)

DOMEN: You got someone you can marry now. You mention the Supreme Court and what other states are doing for Texas for example, and you are all up

in arms about it. I do not understand that. Because legally it does not take effect until that waiting period is over.

So the states -- they have an opportunity to present their arguments to the Supreme Court. And, so we see kind of -- in a way, everyone is

overreacting to what is legal. I just think that it is interesting, if you are a Harvard attorney --

MARTIN: I am.

DOMEN: I would think you would realize that -- I am a pastor and I get it --

MARTIN: Well, this is what we are up in arms about, pastor. Those states attorneys and those governors that are telling their clerks and the people

in the licensing offices that they do not have to follow the Supreme Court. That is the issue here.

(21:35:04) The Supreme Court has spoken. And there is no more legal wrangling to be had. Everyone has to accept what the Supreme Court has

ruled. We do not always like what courts rule and decide, right? But we are a country of laws. When they rule, we agree to accept what they have

determined.

PINSKY: Guys, right there --

MARTIN: And, gay marriage now is the law.

PINSKY: Leave it there.

MARTIN: Deal with it.

PINSKY: We will continue. We will after the break. Later on, as I have been showing you, an alleged teen thief beaten on tape with observers, who

did not call the police. Why did not they? And think of the profane nature of this behavior. Back after this.

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PINSKY: People with mental health are struggling with it. They are trying to -- they are not trying to force somebody into a specific gender box.

They are trying to help people flourish.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Mike Huckabee, former pastor now running for president said this on WMD.com.

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(21:40:00) MIKE HUCKABEE, FORMAR PASTOR: I wish someone had told me in high school that I could have felt like a woman when it came time to take

showers in P.E. I am pretty sure, I would have found my feminine side and said, "Coach, I think I rather shower with the girls today."

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PINSKY: Closely held religious beliefs are being cited by some opponents of the Supreme Court`s marriage-equality decision. I am looking for a

middle ground that helps people be flourishing. Back with Sam, Areva, and Mike. Sian-Pierre Regis is an HLN Contributor. Sian-Pierre, you reaction

on all this.

SIAN PIERRE REGIS, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I mean -- Pat Robertson, et cetera, I think they just need to take a nap and really, like, get with it.

You know, the pastor here, he has a -- he has a bible in his hand. But for me, it is like, you do not stand --

For me, it is like you do not stand for the word of God if you do not love thy neighbor and unfortunately -- By not standing behind people, especially

Pastor when you have lived that life, to be in somebody`s shoes and to know how hard it is.

I understand you were fired from a job for being gay and yet you stand against the lifestyle that you live, that you know how hard it is, yet you

continue to set up barriers as a man of God against other people. It does not make sense to me.

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DOMEN: You know what, I have heard -- I hear what you are saying, but my heart is to speak truth in grace and love. And, we have seen some videos

of people that do not do that very well. But, yes, that is my background, but I really want to focus on the importance of the decision that the

Supreme Court made.

I know this topic is very controversial. But, of you look at it, five lawyers overthrew 31 states that people will like it. In a form of

democracy, I am OK if we disagree. In this environment, you can kind of tell how many support homosexual marriage.

PINSKY: But, pastor -- I do not think we should make that argument -- hang on. Let us switch from the government to God`s word. There are different

things./

DOMEN: -- for marriages between a man and a woman.

PINSKY: But, the government is designed so the majority cannot decide what the majority cannot decide. In other words, there is certain things that

majority is not in a privilege to -- they cannot reinstitute slavery if they want to.

MARTIN: Right.

PINSKY: They cannot reinstitute --

DOMEN: The institution, it says "We the people."

PINSKY: No. I understand, but they --

DOMEN: We the people through the minority that determines how the United States is going to live their lives.

PINSKY: That is why we have the Supreme Court, to make decisions that the -- that the democracy --

DOMEN: That is the legislature`s job.

PINSKY: That is to make the laws.

DOMEN: They make laws, correct?

PINSKY: They make the laws, but there is certain things --

DOMEN: Judges do not make laws.

PINSKY: They do not make laws.

DOMEN: Thank you.

PINSKY: They do not make laws.

DOMEN: So, why are we as United States --

CATHERWOOD: Yes, but the church does not make laws either.

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SCHACHER: Yeah.

CATHERWOOD: They do not.

PINSKY: And, you wanted to make -- hang on a second.

DOMEN: You are absolutely right. God`s word makes the laws. The church that they --

CATHERWOOD: But, sir --

PINSKY: Hold on. Mike, hold up. Mike, mike, mike, stop, stop, stop. Kayleigh, I want to get you in here. Kayleigh, your opinion on this?

MCENANY: Yes, you know the interaction I just saw between the pastor and the young man next to him is really illustrative, you know. I want to

point out. First of all, there are two Harvard Law panelist here, I am another one.

You can have reasonable minds that differ. And, the fact that Areva is trying to say there is one way, the fact that that young man just looked at

the pastor and tried to characterize him as unloving, you can have convictions and can be loving. And, there are two sides to this --

PINSKY: And, Kayleigh -- and Kayleig, let me tell you one of the worst things that is going on today is that people are attacking people with

religious views and conservative views as though there is something --

MCENANY: Yes, but --

PINSKY: Hang on. It is just -- look, this is a democracy. This is a place where people have differing opinions. Let us be respectful of one

another and be thankful that decisions are made in a way that the majority seems to be in agreement with. I heard a priest or pastor got spit in his

face. It is not OK, everybody. It is not OK for us to behave like some unruly mob. We have an audience comment here. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. I would like to point out that though you are talking about as being a democracy, we are constitutional democracy

like our flawless attorney has been pointing out. Our democracy so supposed to act within the guidelines under the constitution, so that we do

not go against the born rights of our citizens, and this is solely a constitutional issue.

You have your first amendment right to be speaking here today. You have your first amendment right to have your religious views. And, the freedom

to have equal justice under the law is also protected in the constitution. So, if the constitution is to be a holding document, you have to respect

that just as we are supposed to respect your first amendment right.

DOMEN: Let me first react real quickly. We are actually a republic --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: We are a constitutional democratic-republic - -

PINSKY: Guys, we got to go. Last thought?

CATHERWOOD: Is anal still legal?

PINSKY: Stop it. Stop it, stop it.

CATHERWOOD: He is like, I want that to be in the menu.

PINSKY: Last comment.

DOMEN: Your guest -- yes, we are called to love our neighbors and it is absolutely true.

PINSKY: If nothing else. Right?

DOMEN: In truth and in grace.

PINSKY: OK. And, thank God we live in --

DOMEN: -- Between a man and a woman.

(21:45:00) PINSKY: And, thank god we live in a free society, which is a republic, which is determined by a constitution in which there is certain

privileges that are of a -- what do I say? A cognitive -- deliberative nature, that we have deliberative body, that is our Supreme Court. And,

there is certain things that we as a democracy cannot decide.

And the deliberative limb of our government makes those decision. What is we can and decide. And there is also legislation. And, again, there is

freedom and Let us treat each other respectfully so we can all flourish. Very good conversation. Thank you all of you. We will be right back.

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PINSKY: Time for the "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram feeds. I am back with Sam, Areva

and Mike. And, Sam you are up first.

SCHACHER: OK. I have an incredible video that has gone viral. And, it was shot by a news crew. They were there to do some sort of a live shot.

Then a passerby in a jeep comes by, starting to have a conversation with the cameraman. He goes unconscious because of a heroin overdose. Watch.

CATHERWOOD: What?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE CAMERA MAN: Talk to me. Hey! Talk to me. Dude! Dude! Dude? You OK? He is purple.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He is not breathing, not responding in a car. Oh my God. How fast do you think somebody can come?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE CAMERAMAN: Are they coming?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: He is not with us. We do not know. He just pulled up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE CAMERAMAN; You are on 911, right? They are coming? His pulse is weak. He is dying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He is sitting in the driver`s seat. My photographer is trying to get him out of the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE CAMERAMAN: I cannot let him die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Do you want to do CPR. She can talk to you. Oh, my God, oh my God. Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 FEMALE DISPATCHER: You said your photographer is doing CPR?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes.

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SCHACHER: Now, that cameraman was bringing back his pulse, then first responders came. The first responders, they went ahead and they were able

to perform CPR. Gave him Narcan (ph).

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: And, watch, they are bringing him back to life. You are about to see this man come back to life --

PINSKY: Yes, Narcan bring you back to right away. Narcan, boom, you are back right away.

SCHACHER: And, not only does he come back to life. He gets up and walks - -

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: -- to the nearby gurney.

MARTIN: Wow!

PINSKY: Narcan blocks the receptors for the opioid, so they literally displaced it, so you are immediately thrown into withdrawal, frankly. That

is what will happen next to him. But, he will wake right back up and breathe. And, this is how people die from opioid, they stop breathing.

This is what could happen when they take to many pills particularly opiates and avobenzone . Everyone know what that is. And, Narcan, people not to

be carrying Narcan, it is insane why we have not more of that around. Areva.

MARTIN: Yes. Mine involves some party goers. So, they were on a commuter train in Milwaukee. It is packed with all these young passengers. And,

the conductor calls the police because they are allegedly using foul language. Now, A responding officer shows up and watch what happens to

this 21-year-old man.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: What are you arresting me for? You cannot arrest me. What am I doing wrong sir?

POLICE: Put your hands behind your back. Listen, put your hands behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Tase me, I dare you. I (EXPLETED WORD) dare you. We are done, boss. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We are done. We are done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I am not even resisting.

POLICE: Hey, stop resisting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I am not resisting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: No, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Do not do it. Do not do it.

POLICE: Get down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: That is unnecessary.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: He was not doing anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: What the (EXPLETED WORD) man.

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PINSKY: There you go.

MARTIN: So, even though he kept saying, "I am not resisting," he was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Now, of course, you

saw the officer tase him, so he is looking at filing a federal civil rights lawsuit because he was tased four times even though we kept hearing him

say, "I am not resisting."

PINSKY: There is a case for Areva there.

SCHACHER: Wow.

MARTIN: Incredible story.

PINSKY: Mike. Areva, there you go. Better call those guys. What do you got Mike.

CATHERWOOD: My story sucks compared to that. I have an update on the Paris Hilton thing.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: What we are talking about yesterday.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

CATHERWOOD: If you guys saw when she got pranked by that Egyptian reality show --

PINSKY: Yeah, it was terrible.

SCHACHER: It could have been her brother.

CATHERWOOD: Several media outlets are reporting that Paris Hilton is now going to sue that Egyptian show --

PINSKY: Good. Good for her. More for Areva.

CATHERWOOD: And, attorneys have told her that she has a solid case for emotional distress.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: And, I got to agree.

PINSKY: But, I wonder though, Areva, do you think she might have signed away any of those privileges? They must have signed up something to have

the privilege of even filming her. There maybe something in their language there.

MARTIN: Not to be harassed and not be subjected to that kind of thing --

PINSKY: Is there more tape?

CATHERWOOD: Yes, there is some more tape. Yes, I think there is more of the prank being performed, if you have not seen it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hey! Hey! Hey!

PARIS HILTON, CELEBRITY: What the (EXPLETIVE WORD) What is happening? Is this normal? It always does this?

CROWD: Ahhh!

HILTON: Oh, my gosh! What is happening!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Do something! Do something!

HILTON: Ahhh! No! Ahhh! No!

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PINSKY: She believed she was dying. It is horrible. I have heard people wish ill on poor Paris, how do you feel now when you see that?

CATHERWOOD: Why is that guy wearing sunglasses. They are in a plane.

PINSKY: Next up, I am going to show you an angry victim of alleged theft, taking the law into his own hands. And, people around him standby in this

-- when I say profane, you think about why that looks profane to me. We are back with video after this.

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PINSKY: All right. Now, here it is. A man catches a 14-year-old stealing his pants and wallet. Instead of calling the cops, he takes the law into

his own hands. A warning, as you seen this video is very disturbing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I do not even want to hurt this little dude. I want to take him home to his momma, but he will not tell me where he lives.

Some people going to think I am wrong for this, but he is 14 years old and this is why kids do this (EXPLETIVE WORD). You feel me? I do not want to

do this. Why you stealing from people. Bad.

UNIDENTIFIED 14-YEAR-OLD KID: I am sorry. I am sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: You going to ever steal again?

UNIDENTIFIED 14-YEAR-OLD KID: No. Never in my life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Never in your life?

UNIDENTIFIED 14-YEAR-OLD KID: Huh-uh.

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PINSKY: Yes, he will not do that, but he will do a lot of other crap, trust me. That is what that behavior leads to when you beat kids like

that. And, after that beating, the man tells the boy, he could like to exchange numbers, so we could mentor him, and quote, "Get your grades up."

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: So, it is profane, everybody. Mike, you want a comment on this?

CATHERWOOD: I just -- honestly, I watched it on my phone and it looked bad. When you see it -- I see he is whooping that ass.

(21:50:00) PINSKY: It is profane. Think of those images. Think about what that looks like . It is awful. It is not OK. Thanks for watching.

We will see you next time.

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