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Historic Papal Visit; Critical First Votes Being Counted Now in Greece; Russian Cargo Supply Ship Docks at Space Station; Jeb Bush Denounces Donald Trump's Views; New Details on Captured Inmate David Sweat; Princess Charlotte Christened; Team USA Plays in World Cup Final Tonight. Aired 4-5p ET

Aired July 05, 2015 - 16:00   ET

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[16:00:02] FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: But he is picking three of South America's poorest nations in which to carry out the seven-day tour -- Ecuador, Paraguay, and Bolivia.

CNN's Rosa Flores is in Quito and she's joining us live and also joining us, Father Juan Molina who is the head of the U.S. bishop's Latin America office coming out of Columbia, America -- Columbia, Maryland on the phone with us.

But first, to you, Rosa. As we await the Pope to deplane there, folks in -- I guess that's kind of downtown, right -- Quito -- who are really excited about his arrival when he'll be onboard that Popemobile.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Fred. I don't know if you can hear it, but some people are welcoming in song. You can hear some songs here on the sidelines because people are very excited about Pope Francis visiting Ecuador. A Pope hasn't visited in about 30 years so there's a lot of excitement.

But let me set the scene for you. The Popemobile will actually be driving up this street that you see behind me. You can see that crowds are gathering along the barricades. The neon vests -- that's the national police, part of the official detail here.

Now, the Pope left the official Popemobile in Rome. We're going to see the Pope in a four-by-four jeep, Fredricka, and he is going to be probably kissing babies, shaking hands, sending blessings to the people here in Ecuador.

And like you mentioned, it's no mistake that this Pope chose the three countries to visit here in Latin America because there's a lot of poverty in these countries. There is a large indigenous population. These countries have seen a lot of biodegradation. And so it goes also in line with the encyclical that he recently released.

And so, we're expecting him to deliver a message -- messages of peace and hope for the people of Latin America. And of course, because he speaks the language, we're expecting him to speak in his native Spanish and so a lot of people that I've talked to have told me that they're probably going to hear homilies that are going to be very interesting because he's going to be adlibbing, Fredricka, and you know that the pontiff is known for saying things that sometimes create controversies so we're going to be listening in to see what he has to say.

WHITFIELD: Oh, my gosh. OK. So let's bring in Father Juan Molina out of Columbia, Maryland -- head of the U.S. bishops' Latin America office.

So, Father, what do you look forward to in hearing from the Pope because there is some real thinking in architecture that comes behind visiting South America's three of the poorest nations? What do you anticipate his message will be? How will it resonate?

REV. JUAN MOLINA, COLUMBIA MARYLAND (ON THE PHONE): Thank you, Fredricka. I think the very first thing that he's doing is preaching and acting what he has been preaching which has -- which is pretty much going to the margins, to the peripheries. So that's very much on the Pope's agenda, very much act out what he has been preaching. And obviously, coming to some of the poorest countries in the Latin American region, that's what he's doing.

Secondly, as Rosa has said and I think it's very important, it's the language. But also, in terms of the Church language that he has been using. He was one of the main editors of the fifth conference of Aparecida document and it's a language that all of Latin America has been using in terms of the church being missionary disciples going out to the periphery. So he's also using the language that the countries are used to using that he developed in many ways and that as he speaks it out, most likely, people are going to resonate with it.

So it's very exciting that he's coming not only to tell Catholics to strengthen their faith but also he's probably going to also be challenging them to continue being missionary disciples and going out to the peripheries. There is absolutely no mistake in his wanting to go -- for example -- the jail in Guayaquil and exemplifying that. It means a lot, it seems to me, for Catholics that he will be pretty much acting out what he has been preaching and that's very much in the context of the Latin American church. They will know what he's saying and why he's saying it.

WHITFIELD: And then I wonder, Father, I think ready -- they're trying to get that jetway there dressed and perhaps even open the door at any moment now and then of course, we'll see the Pope door opening right now. I wonder in your view, why is it so important that this Pope particularly address the poorest communities in a time and a place when Catholicism is dwindling, particularly as we heard from one of our reporters earlier, in these three countries?

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MOLINA: 'Cause obviously, (inaudible) still the largest denomination in those three countries. And again, the Pope is coming to strengthen that faith and he's calling people out into action. So it seems to me that the actions will matter a lot. And obviously, as it has happened in the rest of the world, the actions that the Pope does usually speaks much louder than the words. And he attracts people. I think there is a lot of hope in the fact that Catholicism was continued to -- or rather, will be very success and will increase again. And partly, it's also kind of (inaudible) want to reconcile, to create faith in civil society for much dialogue which obviously is necessary in those three countries. Latin America's one of the highest -- has one of the highest inequality levels and that's not just for the -- for the church but in society itself.

So these countries really need a lot of space for civil society to dialogue within itself and with the government.

WHITFIELD: All right. Father Molina.

And as we watch this contingent, we're told that the president of Ecuador, Rafael Correa, will be the first to greet the pontiff getting off the plane. We also expect here a speech from the president as well as the pontiff. There, you see him right there in white -- kind of in the shadows.

And now, he is emerging - uh-oh - and into a very Quito, Ecuador but this pontiff is unshakable, isn't he?

We're going to listen to the crowd there and the greetings.

And Father Molina and Rosa Flores also still with me. Rosa there in Quito, Ecuador not far away from this airstrip.

Right now, he's being greeted by the president as -- and presumably the first lady. This would be my first time seeing here so perhaps, Rosa, if you ever return monitor, maybe you can straighten that out for me. The president, Rafael Correa greeting the Pope there. Oh gosh. If we were just flies on the wall, if only we could hear what kind of pleasantries, what is exchanged when first you meet the pontiff.

So, Father, you -- do you have any guesses as to what would be the most appropriate thing -- what would be the first thing a president of a nation would be able to say to this pontiff who is returning his home continent?

MOLINA: Obviously, they will give him a big welcome back home in many ways. Most likely, they will begin by focusing on the social issues because that's where generally the Pope has been able to find common grounds with most government. So therefore, I think they're going to focus on some of the efforts that they're making to improve the lives of their country. And later on, perhaps, they're going to move more a little bit into other (inaudible).

I'm sure that they will be focusing on poverty, on care for the environment which obviously is more Ecuador -- very, very important issues, but in those three countries as well. And I think this issue of dialogue in civil society -- within civil society and also with civil society and the government might make it into those speeches. That's a very common theme and an important theme for all three countries and especially now in Ecuador. WHITFIELD: And, Rosa, you talked about how it is expected that perhaps even in downtown Quito that the Pope would leave the Popemobile and actually shake hands, kiss babies, and he is getting a chance to do that right now, right here on this tarmac, along the red carpet, all of those who are there holding flags and people will also be playing music. We saw the rehearsal earlier. A lot of young people that he's greeting that he is now putting his hands on the forehead of a young boy right now, Rosa. He -- his efforts just seem at ease -- people that the world has witnessed that he just came so incredibly comfortable talking to, interacting with people of all walks. And we're seeing that demonstrated yet one more time as he heads up the steps, presumably to the podium, and soon, will have an opportunity to speak along with the president.

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Right now, applause, Rosa, are taking place right now.

Is there any way that you might know...

FLORES: Fredricka, you were just talking about...

WHITFIELD: OK. Go ahead, Rosa.

FLORES: --you were just talking about how you were wondering what the Pope perhaps was telling the president. I can tell you what the people in the margins -- the poor, the humble are hoping that the poor -- delivers -- that the Pope, excuse me, delivers to the president and that is asking the president to help the poor, to help with perhaps social programs or in other ways to make sure that the people in poverty can get out of poverty. So is -- so that -- just a little color, a little message that we were able to receive from people in the peripheries because as you know, his papal theology is to evangelize from the peripheries, to give -- be close to the poor. He said that believers should see Christ in the poor and so that is what we're hoping to see here in full color in Quito, Ecuador when he starts to come through these crowds and perhaps talk to some of these faithful and of course, all of -- a lot of people here very excited about that, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Rosa and Father Molina. Also with us, Daniel Burke -- he's the religion editor for CNN.com.

And so, Daniel, give us your first impressions of this greeting for the pontiff and now, we're hearing the music from the hangar nearby on a very windy day there in Quito, Ecuador.

VOICE OF DANIEL BURKE, CNN.COM RELIGION EDITOR: It is. It's kind of amazing to see all of the young people's orchestra, to see all the young people's indigenous clothing. That's one thing that the Pope definitely wanted to do was to let the local cultures time to bloom and then be a big part of the ceremony. He's also coming -- as people have said -- to kind of resuscitate the church in Latin America and that includes the young people who are leaving for either secularism or leaving for evangelical churches. So, the youth and that the local peoples are really the primary focus of this trip. WHITFIELD: All right. Daniel Burke, Rosa Flores, and Father Juan Molina. We're going to take a short break. And of course, we're going to continue our coverage of the arrival of the pontiff in Ecuador.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Welcome back. We continue to watch the arrival of Pope Francis there in Quito, Ecuador. Right now, he is being serenaded by beautiful bands there and orchestras there at the greeting of his arrival. He is embarking on a three South American nation tour, picking three of South America's poorest nations -- Ecuador, Paraguya, and Bolivia. We'll continue to watch his arrival.

All right. We're also following breaking news out of Greece. Polls there are closed and we're getting the preliminary results on the Greek referendum. At issue -- if Greece should accept more financial help from Europe.

With about 50 percent of the votes in so far, we're seeing results strongly leaning towards the "No" side but it's still early. Greece's finance minister says the "No" votes gives them a better negotiating stance with their lenders in Europe. The Conservative Opposition leader has stepped down following the vote.

Isa Soares is in Athens for us.

So we're hearing the Greek prime minister has already called the French president and also German chancellor. What does this mean?

ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, he want to start the negotiations as soon as possible, Fredricka, that's for sure, because the reality is that money is running out. The emergency liquidity assistance that has been provided by the ECB -- the European Central Bank -- that has been steady, that hasn't been increased and that's why those capital controls of 60 Euros were put in. The way that this is going at 60 Euros a day (inaudible) they don't have enough money to keep them going for the next week or so. So really, Alexis Tsipras had no other choice but really call his European counterparts and say basically, "Let's talk. Let's chat about the future of Greece." Now, this is without a doubt the numbers are 69.42 percent of the votes counted this hour -- 61.40 percent go to the "No" camp. 38.52 percent go to the "Yes" camp. This is a political victory for Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras but the reality is the hard work is only just beginning for him because -- like you said -- he has to meet the Europeans or meet them in the negotiating table and then from there, talk about the proposals that Europe can reach if Europe can meet an agreement in some of the proposals of more austerity and what would please the Greece people, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And so, Isa, these still sound like long-term issues. What about for tomorrow, Monday -- start of some businesses? People don't have money or they didn't have money to get through the weekend. Might they have better success come Monday? SOARES: Well, at the moment, it doesn't look like it, to be completely honest, because there is the reality of getting a deal done in 48 hours is very difficult. I spoke to Minister of State this week who -- I asked him that very question, he said to me, "Normality" -- his quote was, "Normality will be restored by Tuesday." When I said, "Exactly what is that normality? Will people get more than 60 Euros?" and he's basically said, "Well, we hope to get the European Central Bank talking with us on Monday and perhaps they'll open the taps." So it's only a question of hoping and wishing and dreaming but nothing yet has happened and that's why speaking to so many people here in central Athens, they -- even those who would vote "No", may I say, they said they're happy they have had a say in the future of their country but they're extremely worried about what that future will look like, in particular, whether they will -- come Monday, come Tuesday, even Wednesday -- whether they'll be able to get 60 Euros out, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Wow. OK. Lots of worry inside Greece and beyond. Thank you so much, Isa Soares.

All right. We're going to be right back with much more straight ahead.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Live pictures right now of Pope Francis there in Quito, Ecuador being greeted by the president Rafael Correa there. And then, soon after, we expect to actually hear from the Pope. This is his first stop in a three-South American nation tour. Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay on his itinerary over the next week. We'll have much more of our live coverage of the Pope in Ecuador.

All right. Meantime, a Russian spaceship carrying over 6,000 pounds of food, water, and other supplies successfully docked with the International Space Station early today. This routine supply mission took on extra importance because three times over the last year, a rocket filled with supplies failed to make it to the space station. These problems may be a part of the reason why some say America is falling behind in the space race.

CNN's Tom Foreman explains.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (VOICEOVER): Maximum thrust and lift- off. The launch from Kazakhstan brought a world-wide sigh of relief less than week after groans of disappointment after a rocket from the American space company SpaceX disintegrated.

It was the third spectacular failure to resupply the ISS in the past year - two by U.S. firms. Yet many space analysts suggest these are simply the growing pains of an industry in transition.

Astrophysicist Charles Liu. CHARLES LIU, ASTROPHYSICS PROFESSOR, CITY UNIV. OF NEW YORK: It's an exciting time but as always, it's a new and interesting and we're always crossing our fingers with every launch.

FOREMAN (VOICEOVER): Back in the 1960s, NASA was unquestionably winning the world-wide space race.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's one small step for man...

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FOREMAN (VOICEOVER): But over the decades, political pressure grew to find cheaper ways to get America into orbit. So private companies started developing rockets, capsules, and some insist it is all making space less expensive.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AEROSPACE ANALYST: But as you drive the costs down and try to come up with new ways to building rockets in a way that hopefully is cheaper, you're ultimately going to find the outer edges of the envelope, as we say. They're pushing the envelope right now.

FOREMAN (VOICEOVER): Against the backdrop of those challenges, SpaceX and Boeing have been given government contracts to build the next system to take Americans into space. So U.S. astronauts won't have to hitch rides with the Russians anymore.

NASA says the setbacks will not upset that plan.

MIKE SUFFREDINI, MANAGER, INTL. SPACE STATION PROGRAM, NASA: We've always assumed that we would lose a vehicle every so often. Space flight is very hard.

FOREMAN (VOICEOVER): And they say amid all the rocket's red glares, the U.S. remains a leader in space exploration.

LIU: And at the same time, we should feel very happy and very grateful to the fact that there are so many nations in the world, so many entities, international collaborations that are producing results that no single nation can achieve alone.

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WHITFIELD: And that was CNN's Tom Foreman reporting.

And we'll be right back.

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The war hike provides veterans with all the equipment supplies they need to complete a long distance hike. It's just like a deployment, except instead going to fight a war; your mission is to be a civilian again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just being in the woods out here, there's nothing to do but think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's internal quiet and some of the problems that you're dealing with get hammered away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just being around other military is worth more than words can say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many years you got?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello.

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(END VIDEOTAPE) WHITFIELD: All right. Jeb Bush says, Donald Trump doesn't represent the views of most republicans. He's firing off some of the most aggressive comments yet on Trump, who called the Mexican immigrants rapists.

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JEB BUSH, U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Trump is wrong on this. He just -- he's doing this, he's not a stupid guy, so I don't assume he's like, he thinks that every Mexican crossing the border is a rapist. I mean, so he's doing this to enflame and to incite and to get to draw attention, which is, it seems to be his organizing principal of this campaign. And he doesn't represent the Republican Party or its values. But politically, we're going to win when we're hopeful and optimistic and big and broad rather than just angry all the time. This is an exaggerated form of that.

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WHITFIELD: Trump fired back saying Bush is out of touch with the American people and doesn't understand anything about border security. So, CNN's Sunlen Serfaty is joining us now from Washington at the White House. In fact, this fight between Bush and Trump, is this a short lived battle or it's just a prelude to something else?

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I do think, Fred, the fact that this controversy hasn't died down, it still continues to suck up much of the oxygen out on the campaign trail. I think it's starting to be a big worry within the Republican Party and I do think there's more awareness among republican candidates of that fact and they're starting to speak out a lot more forcefully in their criticism of Donald Trump.

We saw that with Jeb Bush in New Hampshire over the weekend where he said he takes this issue personally. Those comments personally because his wife was born in Mexico and he called Trump's language extraordinarily ugly.

Now, Trump, meanwhile, he really is not backing down. He's really doubling down on his comments, continuing to defend himself, saying that it wasn't meant to draw attention to his campaign. Here's what Donald Trump said today.

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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I love the Mexican people. They're fantastic and everybody knows that. But in terms of the border, it's a disgrace. Either we have a border or we don't have a country. You know, you can't have a country without borders and people coming in and some of those and I've read it even yesterday, there was a huge article about the tremendous crime that's taking place, it's like a crime wave that's one of the most dangerous places on earth and I bring that up, all of a sudden, I'm a bad person.

(END VIDEO CLIP) SERFATY: And all that back and forth among the republicans running for

president really does highlight the divide and it comes at a time when a lot of the republicans are trying to bring in more Hispanics to the voting booth. They know they have to win over this group if they stand a chance in the general election in 2016. So, I think, Fred, that's why we're seeing a lot of the candidates like Jeb Bush, even Mitt Romney, a former candidate speak up more forcefully, condemning Donald Trump's remarks. Fred.

[16:34:56] WHITFIELD: All right. Sunlen Serfaty, thanks so much from the White House. So, Jeb Bush says Donald Trump doesn't represent the views of most Americans. And he's taking fire from Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, too, over Trump's comments about the Mexican immigrants.

Let's talk about this. In New York, republican political strategist, Brian Morgenstern, and democratic commentator Ellis Henican. All right, good to see both of you. All right. So, Ellis, you first. Donald Trump, you know, taking on the rest of the GOP. So, ultimately, who does this hurt, the party or him?

ELLIS HENICAN, DEMOCRATIC COMMENTATOR: Well, both, probably. Listen, I've been covering Donald Trump for 25 years, there is nothing new about any of this. The rhetoric is a lot rougher than what is accepted today in the American politics. But you know what, the actual ideas behind it; his positions on immigration are not that different from the other candidates, right?

He wants to have firm border security. He doesn't want to talk about any kind of pathway to citizenship. It's kind of a traditional, mainstream, harsh anti-illegal immigration policy of the Republican Party. With the mistake Donald made was saying it in such racist terms. That's not acceptable in today.

WHITFIELD: And so, Brian, does it seem like it's hurting Donald Trump though? I mean, in terms of the polls, look at what's happened? He's actually getting a boost. He's now number two behind Jeb Bush. So, how could this be?

BRIAN MORGENSTERN, REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Well, I wouldn't put any trust in the polls. I mean, the polls at this stage in the cycle of 2007, Hillary Clinton was beating Barack Obama by 30 percentage points. Obviously, that didn't predict anything. In the last cycle in the republican party within the margin of error victory, we had Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin. Two of those didn't even run of the two that did run, they got a grand total of one delegate to the convention.

So, I wouldn't put stock in the polls. But with respect to trump, he's promoting Trump and not any, you know, any sort of cause greater than himself certainly not a conservative one. And that should of course, surprise no one. But here's the proof.

At some point, there's going to be a nominee and it's not going to be Donald Trump. And that nominee is not going to be able to call on him for advice or have him as a surrogate speaker to try to bring in new supporters because he will have maligned everyone on God's green earth and it personally insulted him. So, his strategy may make for good TV, but it certainly not going to make any sort of ability to impact national policy.

WHITFIELD: All right. So, Ellis, if you were in agreement with him, if there's no way he would be the nominee, then what's he in this for?

HENICAN: Well, you know, the analogy, Fredricka, I don't know if you took psychology 101, but Freud you used to talk about the "Id." You remember that concept that caged beast inside all of us that doesn't care about the consequences, you just can says whatever pops to mind. That sort of Donald Trump in the Republican Party, right?

There's a connection with the bunch of voters out there, but it trashes the entire environment by the time he's done. So, yes, it's dangerous. He's in it for ego, he's in it for attention. And he up -- I don't think he can help himself.

WHITFIELD: All right. And so, now, how about the democratic side if we could give, you know, Bernie Sanders a little air time now because apparently, you know, the crowds have been getting larger and larger for him, so, how do you read this? You know, in terms of whether it puts him in a better position, you know, for the long haul here, Ellis.

HENICAN: Well, listen. The passion of the Democratic Party is on the left, right? It's in the progressive wing. The same way that the passion of the Republican Party is over on the far right. And so, yes, he'll turn out big crowds. No, he's not going to be the nominee, but he does tug Hillary a little to the left. I think that's fine.

WHITFIELD: Brian?

MORGENSTERN: Yes. See, this scares me a lot because this capitalist country defeated fuses in twice in the World War and communism in the Cold War not just the generation removed. We have 59 percent of democrats according to Gallup willing to vote for a socialist. That is scary to me.

It looks like the occupied people have taken over the Democratic Party and instead of standing up to them, Hillary Clinton is now parroting their talking points. So, to my democrat friends since I live in New York City of whom I have many, I say, wake up, your party's lost its mind. This should be really scary to people that Bernie Sanders he's getting these kinds of crowds.

WHITFIELD: All right. Brian Morgenstern and Ellis Henican, thanks so much, guys. I appreciate it.

MORGENSTERN: Good to see you, guys.

HENICAN: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: And we'll be right back.

[16:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: All right. New details about captured inmate and convicted killer David Sweat. He is now behind bars at a different maximum security prison and on suicide watch. He is being held -- he is right now being held at the Five Points Correctional Facility in New York, which is about a five-hour drive from the Clinton County Correctional Facility in which he broke out of in June 6th.

So, Sweat will be house in a single cell within the facility's 150- bed, 23-hour confinement unit. Each cell has a bed a writing platform, toilet and sink. He will also have access to a facility controlled shower.

All right. Joining me right now from New York to weigh in on what's next for David Sweat is criminal defense attorney and HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson. All right. Good to see you, Joey.

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST & CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Always a pleasure, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Since David Sweat is still serving life for the murder of a sheriff's deputy, why prosecute him on a state escape charge?

JACKSON: Well, you know, prosecutors are going to have to decipher a number of things in this case and let's just talk about this OK. Now, prosecutors will be in a room and there are major tenants of the criminal justice system. One of course is punishment, the other is deterrence, and the other is rehabilitation. None of those apply here.

On the issue of punishment, let's remember, for the brutal killing of a sheriff's deputy in 2002. In order to spare his life, yes, it's true, New York State doesn't have the death penalty now, but back then in 2002, it did. He was balanced in 2004 as he entered into an agreement, which he would serve life in prison without parole, so there's no incentive in terms of punishment. In terms of the...

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WHITFIELD: And no appeal.

JACKSON: Exactly. So, he waived various rights, et cetera, there's no issue in terms of deterrence, you know, with respect to deterring him for doing it because he's in jail forever the rest of his life. And in terms of rehabilitation -- because he's in jail forever that's not a consideration. And so, what it really comes down to and it gets thicker even than that, Fredricka, because remember, he in essence is a very, should I say a person who the authorities have a lot of interest in.

And he's very significant to them because they are undergoing the New York State Attorney General, the inspector general's office, with regard to the facility, the security of the facility, or lack thereof, a major investigation.

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WHITFIELD: Do you think he has that information?

JACKSON: Exactly. And so, that complicates any prosecution too, because you want to prosecute but at the same time, you not only want him to continue to talk, but if it's necessary for him to testify, you want to give him the incentive to do that. And so, those are the things that will be prosecuted.

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WHITFIELD: Oh, my God. So, are you saying he has a little -- you're saying he has leverage? I mean, there could potentially be or would there like a plea bargain anything tantamount to that if there were in deed, an escape charge?

JACKSON: You know, interestingly enough, you could call it a plea bargain but there's really nothing to plea essentially. Because he's in jail forever, we know that, and I think anything they do for him will be trying to accommodate him so that he could live out the rest of his life, perhaps in a way that would be more favorable than any otherwise would.

[16:45:08] But it's very complicated, I call it a conundrum for officials here. Because at the one hand, this a statute that says, if you escape you should be prosecuted, it's a deep felony you get seven years, but if I'm in jail for life, why?

WHITFIELD: Yes.

JACKSON: And if I need you because I'm turning the facility around, remember there are 12 officials at that facility, Fredricka, on administrative leave and they're really pursuing who dropped the ball here, how they dropped the ball here, who was involved here, were they civilians, were they correctional officers.

A lot of that information is going to stem from him. And so, to the extent that he does have a little bit of leverage, I think officials have to weigh the leverage that he has and the information he could provide against whether or not a prosecution of him will be in the best interest of all concern.

And so, it's not a normal case that we talked about before where I could say, OK, we go to the grand jury and then thereafter, there may be a preliminary hearing. You know, so, it's not that type of situation.

WHITFIELD: Right.

JACKSON: It's a little different here.

WHITFIELD: You said it. It is indeed a conundrum. All right, Joey Jackson, good to see you. Thanks so much.

JACKSON: Thank you, Fredricka. My pleasure.

WHITFIELD: All right. Still ahead, a picture perfect moment for the Royal Family as Princess Charlotte, isn't she gorgeous? She was christened today. We've got all the pictures including the story behind that Christening gown, all that list.

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WHITFIELD: OK. The Royal Family. They looked like they stepped out of a fairy tale book or something. A crowd couldn't get enough of this adorable Princess Charlotte in that fabulous pram there in her second public appearance since her birth in May.

Of course, looking at baby George, he's adorable too. So, baby Charlotte was christened at St. Mary Magdalene Church near the family stayed in England. Our royal commentator Victoria Arbiter joins us from New York. So, Victoria, why are these christening so joyful as it pertains to this family in particular?

VICTORIA ARBITER, CNN'S ROYAL COMMENTATOR: Well, of course, the British Royal Family it's all about continuity. And Princess Charlotte may only be two months old, but her first introduction to the church today was steeped in family tradition and history.

Just like her brother before her, she was baptized by the archbishop of Canterbury with water from the River of Jordan that was held in the silver-gilt Lily Font that was commissioned by Prince Albert in 1940, in anticipation of the birth of his first child, Princess Victoria.

She was wearing the Christening gown that again, like George, was a replica of the actual 1941 christening gown. That was last worn in 2004 and it was just deemed too fragile for her to use. So, that one is being preserved and this one will now be worn for royal babies for many years to come.

WHITFIELD: Oh, my, gosh. So, this replica, was this the same that little baby George wore or, yes it is?

YARBITER: Yes, it was. Yes, it was exactly the same one. It was first worn by Prince Edward's son, Viscount Severn, in his Christening in 2008, and it's been worn by every royal baby since...

WHITFIELD: Wow.

ARBITER: ... and it will be into the future. So, yes, the Royal Family love their customs and that's what we all really enjoy about them.

WHITFIELD: Yes, they do. And then the significance of this Christening taking place this weekend, so close to the late Princess Diana's birthday. I mean, that's just a beautiful, you know, a little nugget of information to learn about.

ARBITER: They would Lady Diana is in state witness Christening. Yes, she would have been 54 on July 1st.

WHITFIELD: Wow.

ARBITER: Princess Charlotte's bears one of Diana's names, obviously the name Diana. But also her niece, Laura Fellowes, was chosen to be a godparent to George, and of course, she was Christened in this church 54 years ago. So, Diana was included in so many ways as well as with Mario Testino,

the photographer that was chosen. He was a close friend and captured some of the most famous portraits of Diana that were taken in 1997, which of course, was the year she died. So, lots of Diana in today's ceremony.

WHITFIELD: Yes. And what's become another tradition at least for this couple, they just look so dug on good. All the time. They don't take a bad picture.

ARBITER: It's true. It's true.

WHITFIELD: All right. What a beautiful family. All right, thanks so much, Victoria Arbiter. I appreciate it.

ARBITER: Thank you. Thank you, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Straight ahead, the U.S. women's soccer team just hours away now from trying to again claim the ultimate title. Coy Wire is live for us in Vancouver.

COY WIRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The World Cup Final is just over two hours away. Two team USA super fans are rolling in, including two-time World Cup champ, Michelle Akers, joining us live next from Vancouver.

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WHITFIELD: All right. We're just about two hours now from the kickoff of the Women's World Cup Final. Team USA hoping to recapture the cup with the defeat over Japan. Japan beat the U.S. team four years ago.

Hey, look, look up there. Vice-president Joe Biden and his wife Dr. Jill Biden, are also there in Vancouver for the big game. So, before leaving for their trip, however, the Biden's showed their support for team USA with their soccer jerseys. Right there. CNN's Coy Wire is in Vancouver and even better than that, Coy, you have a guest with you. With some soccer history, right?

WIRE: I found a pretty, pretty cool guest, yes, absolutely. Live in Vancouver here, two-time World Cup champion and FIFA player of the century, Michelle Akers. Michelle, thank you so much for joining us.

MICHELLE AKERS, WORLD CUP CHAMPION: Thank you for having me here.

WIRE: Absolutely. It is game day. You can feel it in the air. You've been in this situation. Walk us through what the players day has been like and also what they're feeling mentally.

AKERS: First of all, a tortured night. Since, you know, you go to bed, you're like, thank God, it's here, but it's here, right. So, then the whole next day, it's basically eating, meetings, eating, meetings, get your -- make sure you have all your gear. Waiting, waiting. Waiting.

And then finally, you get on the bus and go and then it's just kind of harnessing your whole like all that extra energy and excitedness about playing. Possibly winning a World Cup. And just trying to keep it in one place until the ref blows that whistle.

WIRE: Calm before the storm.

AKERS: Yes.

WIRE: Now, you were a bit outspoken about team USA had coach Jill Ellis' tactics and strategy. Have you seen some of the changes you're hoping to see over the past game or to?

AKERS: Yes. And, oh, my, gosh. So exciting. So, you know, prior to the World Cup in the first round of the World Cup and in preparation leading up to, is the team was very disjointed and struggling. So, I know, I had to, I spoke up, I was concerned about my team, our program, the USA.

Now, regardless of what I said, Jill Ellis made some changes, the last two games, the team have like they're on fire. And can't be put out as my son Cody would say, and so, you know, today, I would expect them to win a World Cup. Because each game the last two games, they've gotten better each time. And this game, I think they're going to come out and be world champs.

WIRE: All right. So, do you take off those rose colored lenses, as red, white, and blue lenses and you see this game playing out in favor of the Americans. What's the final score going to be? Tell us.

AKERS: I think it's 2-0.

WIRE: 2-zeps.

AKERS: Yes.

WIRE: So, they're going to do this handily and readily. Michelle, thank you so much for joining us.

AKERS: You're welcome.

WIRE: We are live in Vancouver with one of the all-time greats in U.S. women's soccer history. Live from Vancouver and back to you, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: That's fantastic and I'm feeling it. I'm feeling the energy and I'm feeling her energy because, yes, it's going to be team USA's night. I'm seeing it.

WIRE: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: My prediction. All right, Coy Wire, thanks so much. I appreciate it. All right. Thanks so much for being with me this afternoon. I'm Fredricka Whitfield, much more of the Newsroom straight ahead.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN NEWSROOM SHOW HOST: I'm Poppy Harlow joining you this Sunday from New York. And we begin in Ecuador where excited crowds are giving Pope Francis a rock star welcome as he embarks on an eight-day tour of his Native Latin America. [16:59:56] From Ecuador, the Pope will go to Bolivia and Paraguay

showcasing his concern for the region's poorest citizens. His message to them, you have not been forgotten. Let's go to Rosa Flores, she's travelling with the Pope. She's alongside the crowd in Quito, Ecuador.