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Breaking News About Bill Cosby: The Los Angeles Police Department Says It Is Conducting At Least One Criminal Investigation Into Rape Allegations Against The Star; Cosby Has Admitted To Getting Medication, Getting Drugs, To Give To Women; Some Of The Cosby Accusers Say They Now Feel Vindicated; The Family Drama Swirling Around Bobbi Kristina As She Remains In Hospice Care

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(21:00:15) DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Breaking news about Bill Cosby. The Los Angeles Police Department says it is conducting at least one criminal

investigation into rape allegations against the star. This according to national public radio. Cosby has admitted to getting medication, getting

drugs, to give to women. Watch this.

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Yes, he did get prescription drugs to try to dope women that he wanted to have sex with.

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SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Shockingly revealed in his own words.

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LAMONT HILL, HOST OF "HUFFPOST LIVE" AND "BET NEWS": People said, "Oh, look! We finally have evidence." As if female testimony of 40 people is

not evidence.

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KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: Everyone wants to talk about his power, his money, his influence, but now he has been exposed for the real monster he

is.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: He has been very careful to tell black people what to do with their bodies, what to do with their minds, what to do with

their spirits, what to do with their language.

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BANFIELD: If you put yourself out there as a moral leader.

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Right.

BANFIELD: And then you ask to have things suppressed because they might embarrass you, you do not get to have it both ways.

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SEGUN ODUOLOWU, HOST OF "WIRED IN WITH SEGUN" PODCAST: I do not care if 50 of the women are lying, if he raped one woman, he is a rapist.

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BARBARA BOWMAN, ONE OF BILL COSBY`S ACCUSERS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT: I think we are going to be heard now, and I think this is just the beginning.

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PINSKY: And, joining us Sam Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Vanessa Barnett from HipHollywood.com; Dave Rubin, comedian, host of "The Rubin

Report" on The Young Turks Network.

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Segun Oduolowu, who we just saw on that little piece there, "Wired In With Segun" Podcast; Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "You`re Perfect

And Other Lies Parents Tell. Loni, is this the smoking gun, people are looking for?

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, for some people it is. For some people this is all they need to hear, his own words saying, "Yes, I was

getting these drugs. I wanted them to use them for women that I was going to have sex with." But, for other people who do not want to believe it,

no! It is not enough for them.

PINSKY: How is that not enough?

COOMBS: Because technically if you look at the language, he is not admitting that he actually did give them the drugs and had sex with them --

PINSKY: So, hold on, Sam. Slow down. Sam is going to pop out of her skin. Hold on. He is saying -- You cannot say he gave the drugs, he

bought the drugs with intent.

COOMBS: Right.

PINSKY: My understanding is in the deposition, he also said he gave Quaaludes to one woman and then had sex with her. I will tell you what. A

Quaalude makes somebody very intoxicated.

COOMBS: Yes.

PINSKY: Would that already be rape right there?

COOMBS: It could be. Once you cannot consent --

PINSKY: You are intoxicated.

COOMBS: Exactly.

PINSKY: Two glasses of wine, in this case you cannot consent.

COOMBS: Right.

PINSKY: I imagine Segun, a Quaalude would make you a prime candidate for that.

ODUOLOWU: Well, I mean I may take a very large Quaalude, I am a very large man, but regardless of my size, I have always said that I think he did it.

If it is one woman, forget the 50 that have come forward. If it is one woman, it makes him a rapist. And, I do not think that we need to have

such a smoking gun to suspend our common sense.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: Segun, Thank you. I mean connect the dots, people. Enough with the victim blaming. And,

before woman -- Finally this evidence is giving these women -- they finally feel vindicated, but I did not need this evidence. I think the 40-plus

women coming forward --

PINSKY: That was it.

SCHACHER: -- with the same story was enough evidence.

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PINSKY: Dave.

DAVE RUBIN, COMEDIAN: I have to tell you guys, I actually -- I kind of did need this. I really did. Bill Cosby was my hero. I mean I remember when

I was 7 years old, 1983, I saw his special on HBO, "Bill Cosby, Himself," and I fell in love with that guy, and then the show.

PINSKY: Yes.

RUBIN: I mean I did stand-up because of him. I did need it. You know, there is something I am sure, there is a psychological term for this. When

you hold someone in such high regard that no matter -- I am not discounting, of course, the 40 women or any of that -- but when you hold

someone in such a way that you cannot sort of see through it, so I knew it.

PINSKY: It is hard.

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: But, then can you separate the two. Can I still enjoy "The Cosby Show" and still condemn him for being a

rapist. Do I now have to no longer watch "A Different World" because he goes around raping people? It is good T.V.

SCHACHER: Yes, but do not support a rapist. Why would you want to support someone --

BARNETT: I am supporting a rapist. I am supporting the rest of the cast that still gets residuals from that show as well.

PINSKY: You asked about a profile that is something called "Drug Facilitated Sexual Assault," DFSA, and he actually fits the profile for

that. But, the other thing about Drug Facilitated And Sexual Assault is sometimes there are other people duplicitous in it.

And, I wonder, Vanessa, if you think there are other people involved. Remember, some -- this woman -- But listen, again, the woman on "Anderson

Cooper" last night said, "You know, there were people playing poker, and he gave me this thing, and suddenly I was out of it." Do those guys or Hugh

Hefner, maybe he knew it. Do you think -- they were best friends, he knew something. Other people that should be implicated?

BARNETT: I do not think he acted alone. I think there was a culture of this just like any drug fueled and alcohol binge.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: There is always a culture where there is multiple people doing these things, that make you think, "Oh, this may be all right, because a

dozen other people are doing it."

PINSKY: Yes, sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. I just feel like at the moment, Bill Cosby was famous and he was young. And, young people do drugs. So, if he

had sex with her because she did the drugs, then that is not a rape. A rape is someone who just hold somebody and have sex against their will.

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PINSKY: Well, but in this case -- unfortunately, Loni, straighten that out a little bit. In this state, a rapist is someone who had sex with somebody

after three glasses of wine, right?

COOMBS: Well, if a victim cannot consent --

PINSKY: Well, but there is informal definition in this state -

[21:05:00] COOMBS: Right.

PINSKY: -- which is a blood alcohol of 0.0 8, right?

COOMBS: Well, yes, it can be alcohol. It can be drugs. So, listen, you are not alone. I just heard a famous defense attorney say, "Hey! That was

the time, that was the place. All of us were having sex while we were high on drugs." So, there is a lot of people who still feel that way and are

going to defend him until he is convicted in a court of law, because they do. They revered him and that is who they see him out.

SCHACHER: Can you tell us all then exactly -- because I have gotten a number of tweets today also, just what exactly a Quaalude is? How can it

dissolve in a drink? How the hell was he able to get seven prescriptions of it?

PINSKY: The seven prescriptions is bizarre to me. And, apparently, into the `80s when this stuff was already like off the market, so it is bizarre

that a doctor was prescribing Quaaludes. It was an old prescription related to barbiturates.

It is like after barbiturates came the benzodiazepine and valium-like drugs. The Quaalude was like a bar and it went away its completely way,

because it had no utility other than recreational utility. But, there were three drugs that could have been implicated.

It could have been GHB. It could have been Quaalude, which she talked about it in that deposition. It could have been something like Rohypnol.

But, these girls -- these women were given such that the doses is in the drinks, must have been really substantial because they took a couple since

and now forgot what is going on.

And, they also describes kind of a floppiness, that they could not move their limbs and things. That is often GHB or Quaalude makes that kind of

thing. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Because of the manipulation that was involved, would you consider Bill a sociopath?

PINSKY: You know, I do not -- this is -- From a distance you cannot say that kind of thing. All you can call it are sort of the symptoms you see,

the Drug Facilitated Sexual Assault.

And, in fact, the guys that, if I understand these profiles, the guys that do these kind of things, they are not sociopaths. They are rapists, but

they are often more narcissistic entitled, that kind of thing. Rather than somebody -- and they justify themselves that the woman does not know what

is going on and stuff. Segun.

ODUOLOWU: Well, I think that the gentleman, who said that is not rape, they were not getting high together. And, when you take away someone`s

ability to say no by drugging her to the point where she is unconscious --

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: Then, yes, that is rape. And, to call it anything else is to do a disservice to these women.

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PINSKY: Well, right.

BARNETT: It is the problem.

PINSKY: But, Vanessa, I had a weird thing happen today, where a lot of African-American men were getting angry with the fact that Cosby was being

-- I got a lot of, "Why did not you pay more attention to the churches being burned down than you are paying to Bill Cosby?" I got a lot of it on

Twitter today.

SCHACHER: But, we did.

PINSKY: We did. I know we did.

BARNETT: I think we covered both topics quite broadly.

PINSKY: No. But -- so, help me with that, because it kind of hurt me. I was like, "Arrg."

BARNETT: I think a lot of times when someone in the African-American community is frowned upon or looked at as someone, who is now an evil man

or a monster or rapist, all of these things, it is sometimes is a reflection on the entire community. It is still that way at times.

PINSKY: It should not be, right?

BARNETT: But, I mean --

PINSKY: Do we all agree, it should not be happening?

BARNETT: -- look at the media, if you have a number of people that do "X" amount of things. It is like, "Oh, the whole black community is this way

now." And, I think that sometimes happens. So, there is that a little ounce of wanting to protect the legacy that is Bill Cosby.

But, at the end of the day he is a rapist. What I will say, though, as the man suggested, I think a lot -- the problem is the definition. The problem

is that people do not understand that rape is not just a vicious act done in a back alley.

PINSKY: Right.

BARNETT: Right. It is when you take away that consent. And, nowadays, it happens with alcohol all the time.

PINSKY: All right time.

BARNETT: How many pour an extra glass or extra shot for these girls and take advantage of them? We really need to focus on the definition.

PINSKY: And --

RUBIN: By the way --

PINSKY: Go ahead.

RUBIN: We should mention that he probably -- not that this even matters really, but he probably did not have to drug these women.

PINSKY: Oh, I know.

SCHACHER: That is weird.

BARNETT: Oh my God.

RUBIN: That is the weird power.

PINSKY: It is weird and I could not get my head around trying to understand. I did a little research on it. Apparently, that is sort of

part of the syndrome with some of these guys, where they want to be so dominant over these women. They want them to be incapacitated. It is part

of the high they get from.

RUBIN: I do not know if any of you, guys, saw the interview he did with PBS, which was a radio interview at first, but there were cameras. And

when he thought the camera went off, this is about a month ago, he then started intimidating the interviewer saying, well, if you want a career

after this, that kind of stuff --

SCHACHER: Right.

RUBIN: -- and that also is where I got more of that piece of like there is something really going on here.

PINSKY: Yes, sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. I was actually curious there is like 40 -- people accusing him. Are any of them still within the lines of statute

of limitations?

PINSKY: Loni, I do not think so. That is why -- Well, the one was accused -- is alleging 15 years of age when it happened, right?

COOMBS: Yes.

PINSKY: That is the one that is still ongoing. The others are defamation suits, right?

COOMBS: Right. And, this now -- these words of his from this deposition might really go a long ways in helping with the defamation suit. In fact,

it was interesting. His attorneys were objecting to the disclosure of these statements saying it will prejudice the jury in the defamation suits.

Well, of course it will, because it is essentially him saying I know what I was doing, what they are alleging, and yet I called them liars for saying

that about me.

PINSKY: Next up. Some of the Cosby accusers say they now feel vindicated. One of them is here with me after the break. We will be back.

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SARA GANIM, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: When you got the Quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these Quaaludes for young women that you

wanted to have sex with? Cosby answering, "Yes!"

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MEL ROBBINS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: That one line that we are all kind of blowing up and highlighting and focusing on, corroborates the statements of

24 women who claim that they were raped.

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BOWMAN: I would wake up completely confused, half dressed, and knowing that my body had been touched without my permission.

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JOAN TARSHIS, COSBY ACCUSER: He made me a drink and very shortly after that, I just passed out.

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TAMARA GREEN, COSBY ACCUSER: Groping me and kissing me and touching me and handling me.

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GREEN: After that second sip, I knew I had been drugged. It was very powerful.

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TARSHIS: I woke up or came to very groggily with him removing my underwear.

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PINSKY: It is interesting. A lot of them describe the second sip being the time afterwards they start to lose control, and that is a big

concentration of something, and it fits with Quaaludes.

Those testimony you have just heard, those reports, are just 24 of the 25 women who have publicly accused Bill Cosby of sexual assault. Dozens more

apparently remain anonymous. I am back with Sam, Vanessa, Dave, Segun, Loni. Another accuser, Patti Masten spoke out on AC360. Take a look at

this.

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[21:25:07] PATTI MASTEN, COSBY ACCUSER: I do not have any memory at all of what happened but I knew -- I knew -- that I was brutally raped. I knew

it. After he raped me, I told my bosses at "Playboy" what he did to me. And, "Playboy" said to me, "Well, you know that Bill Cosby is Hefner`s best

friend, right?" And, I said, "Yes, I know that." Well, nobody is going to believe you. I suggest you shut your mouth.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN OF HOST OF AC360: That is what you were told?

MASTEN: That is what I was told. But to drug a person and then to violate them like that, that is a sociopath. He will definitely be known as the

most prolific serial rapist in the United States of America.

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SCHACHER: Oh my God.

PINSKY: She may be right. It is chilling when you hear it articulated like that. But the most disturbing thing of all is how that boss responded

to this poor woman, "Shut your mouth."

SCHACHER: It makes my blood boil.

PINSKY: If I were a woman or a feminist right now --

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: -- I would go on a rampage.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Because that is a moment of history being described there where women are being exploited, women are drugged, women are raped, and then --

SCHACHER: And silent.

PINSKY: And then shut your mouth.

SCHACHER: And then -- I cannot imagine if somebody violated my body, somebody raped me and they are powerful, rich, famous and then they use

that against me to silence me. And, I just got a number of tweets during the break people bringing up, "Where the hell is the wife?"

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: "Why is not she coming forward?" "Why is she supporting him?" him?

PINSKY: What do you think?

BARNETT: Is not it till death do you part? I really think she believes her husband. I think she understands that happened years ago and maybe

does not want to focus on that.

PINSKY: Could you do that?

BARNETT: That is in the past.

PINSKY: Could you -- Could you be that --

BARNETT: You know how I feel about marriage. You know how sacred it is. You know, till death do you part.

PINSKY: No. Me too. But, the certain point, though --

BARNETT: This is hard. This is a tough one. I do not know if I could just be like, "Oh, great! Let us work on this together."

SCHACHER: What? I would be like --

BARNETT: But this is not the current man -- the man she is married to today I do not think she believes is the man from 15, 20, 30 years ago.

SCHACHER: Are you kidding right now? Like this is insane to me? If I husband -- if I found out he raped 40-plus women, I would be the first

person to turn him in. I cannot imagine. He has ruined 40 people`s lives.

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BARNETT: I understand. She does not talk to these women. She is not watching these reports. She does not talk these women --

SCHACHER: She knows. She knows.

BARNETT: She is talking to Bill Cosby, and that is her husband.

PINSKY: Dave.

RUBIN: That is so invalidating of everything that she lives for that I am sure she is struggling.

PINSKY: Yes, it is sort of whirled in.

RUBIN: Yes. It would literally change everything in her life.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: I disagree with everything Vanessa said. And, I know we are friends and everything. But if there is a woman who actually came out and

said that his wife was present, that she was in the room and then left and went upstairs when she was downstairs with Bill Cosby.

So, even if she did not watch with her own eyes, she knows the kind of man she married, and she has to know that something was going on. So, to me it

makes her even sicker than Bill because she went along with it.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

BARNETT: I think she felt like she was cheated on. I do not think she thought he was drugging women.

ODUOLOWU: So, they were just coming -- so all of these women just kept coming by her husband for -- and all of them kept leaving?

BARNETT: No. She knew she was probably being cheated on. I am saying that. I do not think she was aware that these women being --

ODUOLOWU: Did she was being cheated on?

BARNETT: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: She knew she was being cheated on.

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PINSKY: Segun. Hold on, guys. Let us get to the audience. Go ahead? You are on. You are good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I do not think that personally, you know, people look at Michael Jackson and just let that shit go. You know, that

is --

PINSKY: That is not a word you can use on T.V.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Excuse me. You know, Michael Jackson, look at what he did, nobody looks at Michael Jackson anymore. You know, the

allegation that is were true -- that were proved to be true on him touching children.

But, yes, you are sitting here, you are accusing Bill Cosby of something that any woman would do to get into Bill Cosby`s pants, you know? He was a

celebrity. He was a celebrity.

SCHACHER: So this is why women remain --

ODUOLOWU: I have always said Mike did it. So, I will say it on T.V. now. I thought Mike was guilty.

SCHACHER: But, wait. Hold on.

BARNETT: That is not the point here.

SCHACHER: Wait. I just want to understand what you are suggesting. You are suggesting that these women wanted to get into Bill Cosby`s pants, for

what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. Money.

SCHACHER: For what gain?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Money is the bigger drug in the picture.

SCHACHER: This is the reason why 80 percent of victims do not come forward. This is the reason because they fear that people will not believe

them and they will shame them because they are doing it for other reasons like money and like other financial gain.

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ODUOLOWU: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: But, that should not stop them from coming out, because that shows that they are hiding something even deeper.

RUBIN: Whoa! But, hold on. None of them got money. None of them got money for this. None of them got money.

PINSKY: Let us other audience members respond to that. Bring them down.

ODUOLOWU: Settlements out of court, were not there settlements out of court? I am not agreeing with that gentleman`s statement --

PINSKY: There were settlements --

ODUOLOWU: -- but there were settlements, right?

COOMBS: The one that this deposition came out were settled out of court. But, I will tell you this. These victims that have come forward now, if

they got a day in court they would not settle for any amount of money. They just want to be heard --

PINSKY: That is what I am hearing.

COOMBS: -- and they want people to say, "We believe you."

PINSKY: But then again when the money comes out, who knows?

COOMBS: Yes.

PINSKY: But, I want to show you somebody else, who is still standing behind Bill Cosby, Whoopi Goldberg still holding out for more evidence.

Listen to her today on ABC`s "The View."

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[21:20:00] WHOOPI GOLDBERG, ABC`S HOST OF "THE VIEW": I do not like snap judgments because I have had snap judgments made on me, so I am very, very

careful. And, you know, save your texts. Save your nasty comments. I do not care.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE HOST: Amen to that. Amen!

GOLDBERG: And I say this -- I say this because this is my opinion. And, in America still -- I know it is a shock -- but you actually were innocent

until proven guilty. He has not been proven.

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PINSKY: There will be no proven guilty on this, right, Loni?

COOMBS: Right.

PINSKY: -- because there is no case.

COOMBS: And, so that people who do not ever want to --

PINSKY: It is only his words in depositions.

COOMBS: Right. That is right. The criminal charges, if they are out of the statute of limitations, they are never going to go to court. The

defamation might.

PINSKY: The only thing that might come to bear is the 15-year-old, I believe Gloria Allred is --

COOMBS: Or if another victim comes forward and more victims might come forward now.

PINSKY: Yes, sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Honestly, Bill did it. He needs to own up to it. Be a man about it, you know? I mean we all want to believe he did

not it. "The Cosby Show" was great. It was. But, just own up to it. And, why is he even still free --

SCHACHER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: -- If we got all these proof?

SCHACHER: I elect him for judge. Hear-hear. You are amazing.

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PINSKY: We are sort of taking the law into our own hands here a little bit. It is not that.

COOMBS: Right. Right. I mean unless you can bring criminal charges, you cannot just go arrest somebody.

PINSKY: You cannot. Yes. You cannot.

RUBIN: By the way, real quick on Whoopi`s point, you know, I love Whoopi, but this is not a snap judgment anymore. Think about how when we started

this, when I said I did not want this to happen? You know what I mean to or to be true. So, this is no longer snap.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Listen. We all reserve Whoopi`s right to express herself. I want her to have her opinion, but we will see. We are going to continue this

conversation. I am bringing in a woman who is someone that did claim she was victimized by Bill Cosby.

And later on, the family drama swirling around Bobbi Kristina as she remains in hospice care. Back after this.

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BILL COSBY, ALLEGED SEX OFFENDER: Hello, sweetheart. How is the lieutenant doing? Huh? Protecting the country?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He is the man we all knew as the lovable Dr. Huxtable. The funny family guy. But just as Bill Cosby was about to

launch a T.V. comeback, the accusations began to flood in. Numerous women have accused him of first drugging and then raping them.

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CHELAN LASHA, ALLEGED VICTIM OF BILL COSBY FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT: I had a cold at this time, and he gave me a blue pill, which he said was an

antihistamine.

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JANICE DICKINSON, ALLEGED VICTIM OF BILLCOSBY FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT: This man is not a family man that he played on T.V. He is a rapist.

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PINSKY: We are talking about Bill Cosby`s admission that he obtained drugs with the intention to give to women that he wanted to have sex with. I am

back with Sam, Vanessa, Dave, Segun, Loni.

Vanessa, one of the things I asked you last break - last segment was, why - - particularly African-Americans seems so defensive. They so much want to protect this guy. We saw Whoopi doing it. What is that?

BARNETT: I think more so them protecting Bill Cosby. You want to defend that legacy. "The Cosby Show," what it did for the black community and

what it is shown a black family could be. That can never be taken away. That was monumental for me.

Watching "A Different World" is why I went to Howard University, is why part of the woman I am today. So, to take those things away is taking away

a part of my growing up, a part of my history, a part of what I know.

PINSKY: No way.

BARNETT: So, yes, he is a rapist. Do not support him. Do not hire him now, but if you are going to act that way, if you are going to say, "Oh you

cannot support anything he does," then do not go see Woody Allen. Do not go see a film that he has done. Do not go see a lot of these people,

because what they do with their daughter comes to life, and you have to separate the two apart.

PINSKY: In a way, though, you sound like Camille, a sort of being in a little bit in denial about some of the stuff.

BARNETT: I am not in denial. Let me be very clear. I have a daughter. I take rape very seriously. If he touched my daughter, he could be six feet

under. I want to make that very clear. That is not OK.

But, look, if I enjoy seeing Theo run down the steps and seeing Rudy hit a two-step, then I can do that, because I can separate the businessman and

what he did for my culture and the monster that he is today. I can separate those two.

SCHACHER: I am OK with that.

PINSKY: Guys.

RUBIN: It is the art and the artist. And, I think you can make an absolute drew lines to "The Cosby Show" being on T.V., him being as popular

as he was, and then Barack Obama becoming the first African-American president. Things change because of television, you know?

PINSKY: Fine. Let me bring in a woman who might feel a little bit differently about this. Her name is Joan Tarshis. She claims Cosby raped

her when she was a 19-year-old, a 19-year-old aspiring comedy writer.

Joan, do you feel -- first of all, thank you for joining us. Secondly, feel free to ring in on this conversation and I am wondering do you feel

vindicated by what was discovered in this deposition?

JOAN TARSHIS, COSBY ACCUSER: I do feel vindicated. I feel validated. What really kind of upsets me is when they call me an accuser because that

sort of takes the blush off the rose. And, I know that legally that is what I have to be called, but I was there.

I am not making this stuff up. This happened to me, and it is a memory I wish I could forget. But I am thrilled and shocked that this has happened.

I am shocked that he told the truth in the depo.

SCHACHER: Joan, did you ever confront Bill Cosby, and did you ever see his wife there? So, two questions.

TARSHIS: No. No. This was in the hotel, the second time because he called my house when I was back home in Brooklyn and my mother was thrilled

that he was sending a limo for me, and I could not tell her what happened because they loved Bill Cosby. And, you know, of course as a teenager I

felt really -- I did not know how to handle it. I just wanted to stuff it.

PINSKY: And, Joan, I have a question for you. And, please correct me if I am mistaking you or confusing you with somebody else. Because I remember,

you were discussing this was part of you coming clean in recovery and telling your story. Is that right?

TARSHIS: That is when I first told my story, yes.

PINSKY: Right. Right. And, does the Quaalude now make sense to you? Do you believe that is what he drugged you with?

TARSHIS: You know what? I think there were two different things. Like I think the first time was probably some kind of Valium-type drug. I do not

know because I could get up and walk afterwards. But, the second time I was knocked out for 12, 13 hours. Now, I do not know in a blackout,

whether or not he gave me drugs again.

PINSKY: Right.

TARSHIS: I do not remember. I think I did nothing.

[21:30:00] PINSKY: You are zeroing in on that lack of memory and that inability to walk, which is sort of a Quaalude thing. Your muscles just do

not work, right?

TARSHIS: Right. Right.

PINSKY: Yes. Had you -- I do not want to re-incriminate yourself, but have you taken Quaaludes before?

TARSHIS: No.

PINSKY: OK. So, based on what I understand -- I have never been exposed to that medication. I have certainly seen people that have. And, that is

what I understand. The descriptions sound very much like Quaaludes, yes?

TARSHIS: Yes, it does. I never was into pills, though. That was not my drug of choice.

PINSKY: What do you say to people who did not believe you ?

TARSHIS: You know, I say, I disagree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to have an opinion. I mean what can I say,

they are not going to believe me no matter what I say.

ODUOLOWU: Joan -- I just wanted to ask you a quick question. You mentioned that it happened twice. So, the first time you thought you were

drugged with valium. The second time it was, you know, this Quaalude.

TARSHIS: It was in New York. The first time was in New York -- in Los Angeles. I was there writing comedy.

ODUOLOWU: My question would be --

TARSHIS: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: If you thought you might have been drugged the first time, why did you go back?

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TARSHIS: Because he called my parents house. I did not go back. He called my parents` house and told my mother he was sending a limo for me to

pick me up and take me out to the Westfair Music Fair, so I could see the comedy that we wrote together. And, I thought I was going to a theater. I

did not know that I was going to be drugged.

PINSKY: And, remember, she was in her addiction herself at that point too.

ODUOLOWU: Of course.

PINSKY: Right? Is it, Joan, you were still active in your disease?

TARSHIS: Yes, of course.

PINSKY: Ys. And, she was not making great choices. She was a young person. I mean -- it is what it is.

TARSHIS: The poor choice I made was not telling my parents when he called and my mother got so excited that Bill Cosby was sending a limo to pick me

up. That was my mistake.

PINSKY: I am going to get in a little deeper here. Had you been a trauma survivor? Where you blamed yourself for any victimization that were

happening to you in any way?

TARSHIS: I do not think so. I do not think so. But, I certainly blamed myself for this.

PINSKY: You blamed yourself? So, again --

TARSHIS: Of course.

PINSKY: The whole way --

TARSHIS: I should have known. I should have known. My intuition should have told me something. I should have known that there was something wrong

with this.

PINSKY: Both times.

TARSHIS: Yes. Well, the second time I knew. The second time, but I did not know that I was going to be drugged in a limousine and taken back to

his hotel. I do not even remember going back to the hotel.

ODUOLOWU: I do not want to mitigate at all what happened to you and I find him to be reprehensible and monstrous, but to a lot of people hearing this

twice, the first time you felt something weird went on, the second time --

SCHACHER: No, Segun.

ODUOLOWU: -- you have to understand as a guy what it sounds like, you cannot -- it is like you touched the fire, got burned and then you touched

it again.

SCHACHER: Segun --

TARSHIS: You are right.

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Joan is saying he is right.

ODUOLOWU: It is not something that she does, I just want to understand it.

PINSKY: Joan, go ahead address that.

TARSHIS: I said you are right. As I said, the mistake came because I did not want to tell my parents.

PINSKY: She did not want --

TARSHIS: What had happened to me when I was in Los Angeles. I did not know how to get out of it.

RUBIN: Also, she wanted to be a comedy writer. I mean I do not think we do not we can dismiss that. How badly she wanted in.

TARSHIS: I never wrote comedy again after that trip to Los Angeles. Never.

BARNETT: At the moment, I can understand that there were so many times where I put myself in a situation where I felt I knew better and you get

lost. You blame yourself.

PINSKY: You know what is crazy, what happens? I tell you what happens after women are raped, often they become hyper sexual afterwards, too.

Particularly if they are in addictive diseases, strange thing happens repeatedly.

TARSHIS: Yes. That was not me.

PINSKY: I know. I get that. I am not saying that.

TARSHIS: Yes.

PINSKY: But, there are all kinds of strange things that people do after things they go the other way. They end up going towards trouble again. It

is a crazy thing humans do. I can attest to it. I have seen it many, many times.

But, Joan, listen. I really appreciate you joining us. Your story has not changed. You have told me the same thing in great detail, in great honesty

it seems to me each and every time when we -- it seems like you would feel vindicated and we appreciate you sharing your story with us.

TARSHIS: Yes. I just wanted to tell you. My legacy -- I am an organ donor. That is what I want my legacy to be, not that I was raped by Bill

Cosb, that I donated a kidney to save someone`s life.

PINSKY: Got it.

SCHACHER: Good for her.

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PINSKY: Next. Bobbi Kristina -- speaking of organ donation, and this is not to be glib, I am hoping they are thinking about that. And, later Paula

Deen is taking a beating on Twitter for what some are calling a racist picture. I would say so. Back after this.

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LISA HOLLAND, SPOKESPERSON FOR THER ROSWELL POLICE DEPARTMENT: Bobbi Kristina`s husband found her face down in a bathtub, in the bathroom of

their home.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Investigators looking at the case of Bobbi Kristina Brown have now turned their attention, reportedly, to her

boyfriend, Nick Gordon, a man that she calls her husband.

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NICK GORDON, BOBBI KRISTINA`S BOYFRIEND: It really bothers me that people have Kristina and I relationship so screwed up.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN, WHITNEY HOUSTON`S ONLY DAUGHTER: I am in love with him. It was never or anything that these people are saying, incest.

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SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: The family has made very clear that they have not been a fan of Nick Gordon.

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ODUOLOWU: Before we feel for Bobbi Kristina in this vegetative state, let us point some fingers at this family. They have not only dropped the ball

with Whitney, dropped the ball with her daughter.

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PINSKY: We are talking about what we call "Celebrity Behavior." Bobbi Kristina remains in a hospice. Death is imminent. Her father, Bobby

Brown, has left the bedside. He is in Los Angeles with his now pregnant wife. Back with Sam, Vanessa, Dave, Segune, Loni. Sam, tell me about this

phone conversation that was recorded with Nick.

SCHACHER: Yes. OK. So, Nick had called one of his friends three weeks after Bobbi Kristina was found unresponsive in that bathtub. He had no

idea that he was being recorded by his friend. I have the transcript. I will read a few of the parts.

PINSKY: Wait. This comes from TMZ or something?

SCHACHER: Yes. OK. So, the first part, "Krissy, she was under a lot of industrious and we were all doing drugs and you know all, all drinking,

bro. She just did too much man."

He goes on to say, "When Krissy wakes up, she will tell the truth to everybody. Everybody will feel stupid as `F`." He goes on to say, "You

know, Krissy, got in an accident two days before this happened and the man is in critical condition right now."

[21:40:00] PINSKY: And, she is being actually sued by that driver, apparently.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Vanessa, what do you make of all this?

BARNETT: I think Nick Gordon is very culpable in this whole situation.

PINSKY: They were all doing drugs.

BARNETT: Exactly.

PINSKY: He is the one in treatment except he is out and he is drinking.

BARNETT: Right.

PINSKY: What a mess.

BARNETT: Very much an enabler, very much in this whole process. Do I think he set out to murder this girl? No. I do not think that is what

happened, but I think they are hell bent on pinning it on him, because I think they need some sort of resolution in this.

PINSKY: Loni, are we going to learn something from that accident? Are there going to be court records that are going to tell us how intoxicated

she was at the time? It just seems that we might learn more to help us understand what happened during that bathtub.

COOMBS: Although, if that was a few days before, that is not going to necessarily give us her state or condition.

PINSKY: Well, if they say -- they have taken her drug toxicologist, four or five -- three or four medications that are highly addictive, I can tell

you what that means.

COOMBS: But they also did an autopsy right when they got her, so they have that information, also, you know? They had a coroner look at her and there

is that admission by Nick that they were doing lots of drugs.

I mean I think, you know, they are going to have a lot of people be able to testify to that, also. But, like Vanessa said, getting to the intent of an

actual premeditated murder is going to be a very hard thing. And negligent homicide, you know, we will have to see.

PINSKY: Whatever young person dies, it is drugs and alcohol. Anybody who is using drugs, they die under nefarious circumstances, just look for drugs

and alcohol. And, these days it is pills. Pills, pills.

SCHACHER: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: I find it all very, very l disgusting. I mean I find Bobby Brown`s actions disgusting. This is your daughter and you are across the

country.

PINSKY: Let me play a tape. He played a concert this weekend, 4th of July weekend. We can take a look.

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PINSKY: Segun, says it is disgusting. What does the audience saying?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I truly believe that if your good times are memorable, that you should voice it from the get-go. You should not wait a

while. Because if it was me or you that had these type of issues, in fact that this guy is a celebrity, you would definitely be in jail. I would be

in jail. So, definitely --

PINSKY: Nick should be in jail?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Well, I am speaking about Bill Cosby. Yes.

PINSKY: No. No. We have moved on. We have moved on. We are talking about Bobbi Kristina.

BARNETT: I would like to say that I absolutely disagree with Segun. I do not think you could ever understand what a father is going through. You

can obviously tell, he does not want to be there.

He has forgotten lyrics. He does not have his 2 steps together. And, he is completely -- I think, one, this is not the first show he had. He had a

contractual obligation to do one a couple of months ago. And he has a wife and a baby on the way. Bobby Brown --

RUBIN: All of that is part of the problem, right? All of that. The blend of career and enabling and drugs like him going, because he needed money or

not going.

BARNETTE: Yes. Everybody wants him to say good-bye to Bobbi Kristina and when he looks like he is actually trying to say good-bye, it is like, "Uh-

uh, Bobby, do not say good-bye."

SCHACHER: Listen. She is in hospice. Her days are numbers. When my grandmother was in hospice, I took off weeks. I thought, "OK, I may lose a

semester at school. I may lose my job. I did not care, because I had one thing that I cared about, my grandmother. He should be by his daughter`s

side.

BARNETT: He does not have one thing he cares about. He has a baby on the way. He has a wife. He has multiple things that he is responsible for

that he cares about. He was there.

PINSKY: Segun, I am putting you aside because you blame the whole family for everything, you have -- I am backing up Vanessa on this, Sam, I am.

Because I will tell you why.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: Because that man, I guarantee that man is suffering.

SCHACHER: Of course he is. He should be with his daughter.

PINSKY: He should be, but maybe -- you know, what could be there is a pretty gruesome situation. I told you and told you and told everybody that

when people are in this kind of coma it gets gruesome and he may have said his farewell. He may not want to see the last hour.

SCHACHER: I would want my dad there. I would want my dad there.

PINSKY: She is not there. She is gone. She is not waking up. She is gone. That soul is out of that body. However, you want to think about it,

that is what is going on here. And, he may have made his peace and that is it. But, that man, trust me, has suffered, suffered, suffered through her

addiction, through her demise, through Whitney`s demise, and you can blame him.

ODUOLOWU: Yes.

PINSKY: And, I would call him somebody who needs help. But, you can blame him for that, but I think that is victimizing him further.

ODUOLOWU: No, I think -- I do not think there is enough victimization to go around for him. He watched his wife smoke herself to death. He watched

their daughter do the same thing.

PINSKY: Do you think enablers do not always do that? I do that all the time. I do not want to blame them for that. They are sick.

ODUOLOWU: But, to go on a stage -- to go on stage in front of a thousand fans, and be like "Feel my pain. Love me. Cheer for me while my daughter

rots on a bed." I find that reprehensible.

PINSKY: Fair enough. Dave?

[21:45:00] RUBIN: Yes. I totally agree. I mean was not he the one that introduced crack to Whitney in the first place?

BARNETT: No, he was not. She introduced it to him, more so. You have to watch that Whitney movie.

RUBIN: All right. All right.

PINSKY: Hold on. Loni, go ahead.

COOMBS: We cannot tell people how they are supposed to grieve.

PINSKY: Of course.

COOMBS: And, you know, everybody grieves in a very different way. And, if he has reasons to be with other parts of his family or contractual

obligations, we cannot sit there and say, "He is not feeling the pain just because we would be doing it differently."

PINSKY: Do we have a question from the audience? Are we going in there? Come on down. Let us give her a microphone. Go right ahead. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes, I just think that from the -- you know, it was the lack of parental guidance with Bobbi Kristina. And, that is

probably, partially the reason why she is there. After Whitney passed, they went into this reality show. I do not think that anyone was watching her.

PINSKY: We have some footage, do we not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: And, she should be there.

PINSKY: I am going to air for you some footage -- do we have some footage out there? Let me just show some footage of her drunk on that reality

show. You want to show that, maybe. Yes. Here it is from the Houstons "On Their Own." Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: What was that?

GORDON: OK. Are you ready?

BOBBI KRISTINA: It is an apple juice. It tastes good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): I cannot believe this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): You are not.

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PINSKY: Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I am so sick of the media, and I just want to know what you guys has take on this. Do you feel that the media is

feeding into people watching train wrecks instead of trying to help people by shutting down things like the Whitney and Bobby show and other reality

shows that are promoting drugs and alcohol lifestyle, these rock star and hip-hop artists, putting them on a pedestal as if this is something that

America should do? What do you think? Do you think the media is feeding into this type of lifestyle?

PINSKY: Go ahead.

ODUOLOWU: No. No. I do not. I do not. Because I think if you put it on T.V. and people consume it, I will give you what you want to see. So, if

you want to see this nastiness, people will keep putting it on T.V, and the consumers love it.

PINSKY: OK. Sam.

SCHACHER: I think that there needs to be some accountability. I agree with you. I think that the media does -- they are picking things that will

sell but at the same time we know that certain family members, according to TMZ tried to sell a photo of Bobbi Kristina. So, it all goes together, and

I think it is shameful.

ODUOLOWU: Look, The Browns, the Duggars, you can go family after family after family from Honey Booboo all the way down to real world -- but if you

put train wrecks on T.V, the viewing public will come to watch. So, until that viewing public enlightens themselves and does not want to see this

monstrosity, they are going to keep showing you the carnival.

PINSKY: I think Segun has a point, but I will tell you what. There is a way to do it in a rational way, the kind of positive effect. I will tell

you, as a matter of fact, the teen mom series has been measured by academics as having a positive impact on the probability that a child will

become pregnant during teen years.

It is had a marked impact. We are at the lowest rate since the 1940s. And, they showed that there has been documented academic studies that have

shown increased viewership reduced teen pregnancies.

So, it is possible for these sorts of programs to have a benefit. We just have to study them more carefully. And, part of it is digesting them,

talking about these things the way we are trying to do here. I hope we are having a positive benefit, even though we are looking at the same damn

shows. Your point is well taken.

Coming up, a riot at Walmart, out-of-control teens caught on tape. We will talk about that after this.

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[21:52:35] PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix" where the guests tell me what is trending on their Facebook, Instagram, Twitter feed. Let us go first of

with Sam, Vanessa, Dave and it is you, Sam.

SCHACHER: OK. Wow, fast. All right. So, mine was on Twitter and if you blinked this morning you may have missed the tweet. Paula Deen`s tweet.

It was titled, "Transformation Tuesday."

PINSKY: Uh-oh.

SCHACHER: It was from her set on 2011. She is Lucy with her son Bobby. He is Ricky Ricardo, and you can there Bobby is donning brown face. OK?

So, the photo was quickly taken down.

According to a statement issued by Deen`s spokesperson, the social media manager was, quote, "Terminated." And a lot of people are upset by this.

Clearly, not only because of it being racist but also because two years ago or just a few years ago she said the "N" word.

PINSKY: She is becoming a cartoon of herself.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: All right. Let us get off Paula Deen. Vanessa, what do you got?

BARNETT: Poor decision making.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: I have a Walmart video, which is always good --

SCHACHER: Again?

BARNETT: -- You always can count on a Walmart video. I saw this on Facebook. It is everywhere. And, it is a bunch of knuckle heads running

through Walmart, about 50 of them, 2:00 in the morning. Look at them, they look like little ants running all over the place.

PINSKY: What are they going to do?

BARNETT: They just wanted to ransack the place. They said, it is about $2,000 with the damage. At one point, there is a kid on a scooter --

RUBIN: Look at the guy on a Green Lantern shirt, I wanted him to jump in.

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BARNETT: He hops off the scooter, so apparently he does not need that in the first place --

PINSKY: That is a disability scooter.

BARNETT: Yes. So, that kid right there, the only one to be arrested so far, 17 years old, charged as an adult because the idiot went back into the

store. He was already out. Went back in to store to get his phone, because he forgot it.

SCHACHER: Oh greedy.

BARNETT: Greedy.

PINSKY: All right. Dave. Dave, here we go.

RUBIN: All right. So, the big thing on Twitter today, of course was Jared from Subway --

PINSKY: Yes.

RUBIN: -- who somehow we all know him because he actually lost weight by going to subway, but the FBI raided his Indiana home this morning. They

seized electronics, which subway says might be connected to a former employee of his foundation and they are talking child pornography.

PINSKY: CNN just now, I am hearing, got a statement from Jared`s lawyer, who says, "He has not been detained, arrested or charged and he is

cooperating fully with investigators," but that was all over social media today.

RUBIN: Yes. You know, one thing that hit me on this and it is sort of the reverse of the Cosby thing where I wanted to give him this long leash,

where everybody was attacking subway -- Jared today. Everybody was just jumping on that outrage bandwagon. There is no connection. We will see.

PINSKY: He ended his relationship with subway, right?

RUBIN: Yes.

BARNETT: You have to walk away sometime. The carbs in that bread.

PINSKY: All right. We are taking a break. Next, a baby in a carriage sent into the path of an oncoming train. I will show you that after this.

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PINSKY: Quickly, my Click Fix. This closer video comes from 9 News in Australia. An unmanned baby stroller glides towards the edge of a platform

of an oncoming freight train. The baby`s 62-year-old grandfather leaps onto the tracks to save her.

He tries to scramble back onto the platform but he cannot. That is why he goes to the wider part of the tracks. It is unbelievable. This is

ridiculous. It is just so hair-raising to watch this. But, thank God that grandfather made it through without injury to himself or the baby.

Everyone is OK.

BARNETT: Oh my God.

[22:00:00] PINSKY: He let go of the stroller when he was talking to the baby`s mom. No charges expected. Thank you all for watching. DVR us then

you can watch us anytime. Thank you, audience. Thank you, guys as well. We will see you next time.

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