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Aired July 11, 2015 - 16:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know the bank - Industrial Bank, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

TRUMP: Good bank, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

TRUMP: Big? They pay me rent. They love me. I love China. The problem is the Chinese leaders are much smarter than Obama and his group of clowns. OK? You notice they don't call a "clown" anymore? It's really interesting how that word disappears.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So China will have a...

TRUMP: But do you understand what I said?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

TRUMP: I have great respect for China. I make a lot of money with China. I own a very big portion of the Bank of America building in San Francisco. I made a deal with the Chinese - a really good deal, they will tell you that. I made a good deal, not them. And you know what? I have great respect for China. Problem is their leaders are too smart for our leaders. We have to have smarter people. I have to go. I'm going to Phoenix...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

TRUMP: --I hear there's 10,000 or 12,000 people. I'll see you there. Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

POPPY HARLOW, HOST: All right. We've been listening to Donald Trump taking questions from reporters in Las Vegas. He is now going to Phoenix. He is three weeks into his presidential bid, still in the spotlight and topping some of the polls.

The billionaire businessman wrapping up that event in Las Vegas. He doubled down on comments that have ignited a debate over illegal immigration in this country. Listen.

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TRUMP: I love Mexico. I tell everybody. And I love the Mexican people and I've said it 100 times. Nobody ever says it. Nobody ever reports it. That's the problem. I love the Mexican people. I love the spirit of the Mexican people. I respect Mexico. The problem is their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. Their negotiators are much tougher than our negotiators. They're much more cunning. And they kill us at the border. People float through like water. And they send people through that they don't want.

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HARLOW: All right. Well, we've got full team to cover it. We have Maeve Reston there in Las Vegas. We have Sara Murray in Phoenix where Donald Trump is now on his way. We also have CNN political commentators Ben and Marc with us.

I want to go to you, Ben and Marc, first.

Let's talk about the press conference that we just carried some of live. He did not - the reporter - one of the reporters there asked him, "How are you going to specifically win the Hispanic vote?" He said, "I am going to win the vote. I can energize them to get out." And then she said, "But you didn't answer my question" and he moved on.

Ben?

BEN FERGUSON, HOST, THE BEN FERGUSON SHOW: He didn't answer. Yes, he didn't answer any of the questions. I mean, if people really think that they like Donald Trump, look at how he answered those last three questions. They were serious questions and he said that Barack Obama is dumb and has clowns around him. He said Mitt Romney choked. And then he said, "I'm a really rich guy and I rented a building to somebody from China once and they love me." If that's your foreign policy, your domestic policy, and your illegal immigration policy in three questions, all I can say to people that are watching, "Look at what he said." He literally said nothing but insulted different people and told you how rich and how brilliant he is. That is it. There's no policy there.

HARLOW: Then why, Marc, is he polling so well?

MARC LAMONT HILL, PROFESSOR, MOREHOUSE COLLEGE: Well, I think early polls don't necessarily mean that people are going to vote for you. It means they know who you are. I think a bunch of people watched "The Apprentice" on TV and they say, "That's the guy from 'The Apprentice'. I like him. He's tough on celebrities when they make mistakes so he knows how to be a boss. He knows how to lead.

HARLOW: Isn't that underestimating the voter? Isn't that underestimating the voter? HILL: No, because I don't think that those voters necessarily plan on going into the polls. I'll be underestimating the voter if I were - if I thought that they made their ultimate voting decisions based on that. I think these early polls are much more about us being able to talk about stuff and us being able to remark on how absurd the imbalance is than anything else. If you look at - if you look at the numbers, I mean, Jeb Bush has name recognition because he's a Bush and Donald Trump is a celebrity. Those are the two names at the top. I suspect in six months, you'll see Chris Christie move up a little bit. I suspect you'll see Jeb Bush continue to move up. I think you'll see Scott Walker move up a lot. I think people who have substance - even if I disagree with them - will move up the polls and Donald Trump - at some point - will fall off because it would no longer be about name recognition. It'll be about value.

HARLOW: Ben?

FERGUSON: Part of this is just, Poppy, popularity and it's the issue of if you asked the people in a room, "Who's being the most bold right now in this campaign?" They're going to say "Donald Trump". That's part of the reason why he's doing so well.

HARLOW: All right, guys. Thank you very much for sticking with us throughout the hour as we now wait Donald Trump going to Phoenix where he'll make more remarks joined by Sheriff Arpaio on immigration.

Ben, Marc, thank you both.

Maeve Reston, there in Las Vegas. You were in the room. You asked Donald Trump the first question in that press conference.

MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: I did. And I - what I asked him about was whether he had any concerns because he's been talking a lot about these crimes that have been committed by undocumented workers here in this country, whether or not he feared that that could inflame racial tensions, whether he was worried about the consequences of having that kind of debate here in this country. And he said, pretty much, that he was not and that this was a conversation that he wanted to have so we have that byte right now.

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TRUMP: No concern. We have to talk about this issue, whether it's charged or not. It's an issue that has to be talked about. I really thought that my strength would be trade. I'll make great deals for us. I'll make our country rich again too 'cause in all fairness, it sounds crass but to be great, we have to become rich again. We're a debtor nation. We have infrastructure falling apart. We have our bridges, our tunnels. It's a debate that has to be had. I didn't know this was going to be such a big thing for me but I look at what's happened and you know, when you talk about the sanctuary cities, Jeb Bush had five of them while he was governor of Florida, which we just found out. I mean, you can't have this. You can't have this. Five of them. So this is a debate that has to be had, that has to be discussed. Illegal immigration is a major, major problem in this country and it's one of the things we have to solve. We have to solve the illegal immigration problem.

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RESTON: So you see there - he's talking about Jeb Bush. He's talking about sanctuary cities, trying to move this into a policy debate about that. But at the same time, you've seen a series of confrontations between him and someone in the audience today a little while ago. You've got protests outside. You had protests last night in L.A. I'm sure where Sara is in Phoenix, you're going to see a lot of protestors at his event there. So he is really resonating with a lot of people in this country, but he's also angering a lot of them at the same time. And that's going to be a really interesting to watch play out.

HARLOW: All right. Thank you so much, Maeve Reston, there in Las Vegas.

So let's go to Sara Murray.

Sara, you're in Phoenix where Donald Trump is on his way. He's going to take the stage with Sheriff Arpaio and I would assume a lot of tonight is focused on immigration.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Yes. I think that's a safe assumption to make there. We are expecting to hear a lot from Donald Trump on immigration. And to be honest, this is what the very large crowd here wants to hear from them. They want to hear him talk about securing the border. He's also going to appear on stage with two parents whose children were killed by undocumented immigrants. So the idea of security, the idea of undocumented immigrants coming into the U.S. and committing crimes is going to be a big part of Donald Trump's speech. And as Maeve Reston pointed out, we are starting to now see protestors arrive at this event. Right over my shoulder now, they're chanting, they have signs. So a lot of people also not very happy to see Donald Trump showing up today in Phoenix.

HARLOW: He just said that he believes there's about 10,000 to 12,000 people who are going to come, who asked for tickets tonight. They had to move it to a convention center, right, to be able to accommodate all the people who wanted to be there.

MURRAY: Yes. Every time we talk to them, the number gets bigger and bigger. They are expecting thousands. The last sort of official number we got from them was more than 7500 and there is a pretty long line outside already to get in which is not insignificant. It's about 99 degrees out here so people are standing out in this heat, waiting for a chance to see Donald Trump live, and they tell me, look, they like the fact that he is plain-spoken, that he is honest in what he's saying and that he's talking about securing the border and they believe that he could actually win.

HARLOW: All right. We'll be watching.

Sara Murray, thank you very much. Of course, we'll bring you what Donald Trump has to say this evening in Phoenix. Coming up next though, switching gears to a very, very important international crises - Greece on the brink. The decision will be made this weekend. Will they get the help they need from their counterparts in Europe or will they have to exit the European Union completely? That's next.

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HARLOW: To Europe now where finance ministers are working around the clock through the weekend trying to sort out a rescue for Greece from a debt crisis that is so urgent that it could cost them their place within the Eurozone. If that happens, you can expect economic ripples around the globe.

Let's talk about it. No one better to put this in context for us than CNN's Richard Quest who is live from Brussels at these talks.

Richard, earlier today, the German finance minister, Wolfgang Schauble saying these talks would be "extraordinarily difficult", not impossible but extraordinarily difficult. What are the biggest roadblocks right now?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Oh, and they have been extraordinarily difficult. It is 10 o'clock at night in Brussels. They have scheduled the final news conference of this meeting for now but it doesn't look like it's finishing any time soon. Minister after minister going in said that the proposals were maybe possibly perhaps a good start but what this really came down to was issues of trust, credibility, could the Greek government be trusted to implement and execute what they were promising to do and that's been the tenor of the whole evening. Now, what the current position is, Poppy, we just don't know. We're hearing rumors that the Fins may be stricter than others. We're hearing rumors that the Germans have said this. We're - there are rumors everywhere in Brussels tonight.

HARLOW: Richard, let's talk more about the trust issue because it is something that Germany's finance minister brought up, it's something the Eurogroup president Jeroen Dijsselbloem brought up - this issue of "How can we trust that if Greece agrees to all of these changes, all of these austerity measures, that they will actually follow through and implement them if we give them a third bailout?" Ultimately, where will they fall on the issue of trust?

QUEST: That is the key point. They've been burned several times before. Bailout number one led to bailout number two. Bailout number two led to a massive write-down of private sector debt. That led to this changing government in January with the far-left government which made various promises which didn't come to fruition. Then you have the referendum - bear with me while this siren just goes past - then and to prove the point, Poppy, the referendum voted "No" and the government appears to have turned it into a "Yes" by agreeing to the very thing that the referendum was against.

[16:15:08] So people here are saying, "Hang on." Before we go, I think it was a U.S president (inaudible) Reagan who said, "Trust but verify". But that's what people are saying here, "First verify and then we might trust."

HARLOW: Absolutely. And we'll see what happens and if Greece is able to remain part of the Eurozone or not. If - or if there will be the Grexit, as it has been called.

Richard Quest live in Brussels. Thank you. Keep us posted throughout the evening, Richard.

Also, a lot of people asking with all of the evidence against Bill Cosby, why hasn't he been prosecuted? We're going to talk about the statute of limitations and all of the details that protects suspects from prosecution, next.

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HARLOW: Some of Bill Cosby's accusers' feeling vindicated now that he has admitted to obtaining drugs to give to women that he wanted to have sex with.

The startling confession made public in documents released this week from a 2005 court case. It's important to know Cosby did not - in that deposition - admit to giving anyone those drugs. His lawyer wouldn't let him answer that question.

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The allegations against Cosby date back several decades, more than 25 women have come forward but most are not able to bring a case against Cosby.

Why is that? CNN legal analyst Danny Cevallos explains.

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DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Why even put a time limit on when you can charge somebody with a crime?

Statutes of limitations are based on the idea that after a certain point of time, evidence becomes so unreliable that it's fundamentally unfair to charge somebody with a crime. As time progresses, evidence deteriorates, documents disappear, and memories simply fade away. And limitations incentivize law enforcement to be prompt and efficient in their investigation. Even if the prosecutors' evidence is just as good today as it was 10 years ago, it still might be unfair to force a defendant to figure out who, what, and where he was 10 years ago in his own defense.

Of course, there are exceptions to these limits. The most famous one is murder. There is no statute of limitations on murder. Another exception is what we call "tolling". "Tolling" essentially stops the clock on a limitations period. This is only in situations where it would be unfair to allow that clock to keep running. For example, states will toll the statute of limitations in child sex cases until the victim turns 18.

Often, people say, "Why not do away with the limitations period with sex crimes just like we've done away with it for murder?"

But murder is very unique. It creates a treasure trove of evidence. You have a body. You may have fingerprints. You may have ballistics. You may even have DNA. The general rule is the more serious the crime, the longer the limitations period. If the crime is less serious, on the other hand, prosecutors have a shorter period of time in which to bring charges.

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HARLOW: All right. Let's talk more about it. Danny Cevallos here with me in the flesh.

I love - I told you, I love that video because it explains - I had so many questions about it and when you look at Cosby, are there any of the cases that the women have brought complaints that they actually have legal ground to bring a case still?

CEVALLOS: There is one that presents the strongest possibility for it, not a civil case necessarily but a possible criminal case and that's the 2008 case that's now alleged against him in California. It potentially could fall within California's six-year statute of limitations. But as a general rule, well, first, states are all over the place on statutes of limitations. As a general rule, the time to bring a civil case will usually be shorter than the time to bring a criminal prosecution.

HARLOW: I think for a lot of people, they scratch their heads and say, "Why is there a statute of limitations on something as serious as rape?"

CEVALLOS: It's about fairness and there's no question that reasonable minds can differ on whether or not there should be a statute of limitations at all for sexual assault. And the way we know this is that nearly half of the states have elected to do away with statutes of limitations for sex assault cases and the remaining states are still all over the place. And remember, statute of limitations aren't a hard and fast rule. There are often - like I discussed in that piece - "tolling" situations where you essentially hit the "Pause" button if a defendant has eluded capture or if there was a child involved. Children usually have to at least majority and then plus many years in which a case can be prosecuted.

HARLOW: So the judge that agreed to unseal part of the deposition in the 2005 case, that's how this came to light. That same judge is now considering whether to release more of it.

CEVALLOS: Right. So...

HARLOW: What do you think happens?

CEVALLOS: Right. So the - so we've talked a lot about the deposition and it's important to know wasn't the deposition that was unsealed so much as motions that were filed with the eastern district of Pennsylvania which is the jurisdiction I practice in.

HARLOW: Got it, with some of that in there.

CEVALLOS: Yes. And that's very significant because as a general proposition, courts are not very fond of keeping filings sealed from the public but discovery which is depositions, photographs, things the parties exchange between themselves - they're typically kept in a banker's box in the lawyers' office. They don't get filed with the court. In this case, lawyers were bickering as they are often prone to do during deposition and the attorney included a portion of the transcript in her motion and that's what was released. Now, a judge has a decision to make as to whether or not the discovery - which is often kept private - whether that should be released.

HARLOW: So we'll see if that...

CEVALLOS: We shall see.

HARLOW: --if that happens and what comes of it and what happens with that 2008 case if there is indeed a criminal case brought. Danny, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

And coming up next, switching gears, talking about the Pope. Minutes from now, he is poised to make history. You're looking at live pictures there where he is about to make these remarks. And he's also having a meeting really never seen before from a Pope. We'll talk about it next.

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HARLOW: Minutes from now, Pope Francis will make history during a visit to Paraguay. He will be the first pontiff to meet with a gay rights activist.

Our Shasta Darlington is there live.

And Shasta, you spoke with the LGBT leader who was happily surprised that he was invited to meet with the Pope. What did he tell you?

SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Poppy. He has a very clear message that he would like to deliver to the Pope and it's not what you might expect it to be. Gay marriage, for example, isn't even on the radar screen here in Paraguay. What he wants to talk to the Pope about is families rejecting their own children and throwing them out on the street. Take a look at this.

HARLOW: All right. Shasta, it sounds like we don't have - unfortunately - that...

DARLINGTON: I guess we're having a little problem there but I'll go...

HARLOW: Yes, yes. Go ahead.

DARLINGTON: (inaudible) tell you about it. He - sure, we had a great interview with him and what he said is if he gets this opportunity to actually talk to the Pope during the meeting of community leaders, what he wants to say is here in Paraguay, his organization - they take care of about 6,000 young gays and lesbians a year, many of them young people who've been beaten up by their own families, who've been pushed out onto the streets by their own families for the simple reason that they're gay. And while at first, he wasn't sure he wanted to accept this invitation, he realized that the Pope and the Catholic Church could be an important tool in fighting violence against the LGBT community here. And so what he hopes is that bringing these voices together, they can tell parents and families in this very Catholic, very conservative country, "You've got to love your children for who they are and just the way they are" and so if he gets that chance, that's exactly...

HARLOW: And I think it goes - we've been seeing from this Pope is focusing on people on the margins, whether it is the poorest of the poor, whether it is those who have been excluded from their own family. This goes right along with it.

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Certainly, history going to be made there in Paraguay. We'll be watching those remarks.

Shasta Darlington, thank you very much.

Let's talk about this with CNN religion commentator, Father Edward Beck.

Let's talk, first, about how significant this meeting is.

FATHER EDWARD BECK, CNN RELIGION COMMENTATOR: Well, remember, we are in Paraguay. This is where President Cartes said that he would rather shoot himself in his testicles than have a gay son.

So, this is the environment we're in. This South American culture that is homophobic, that is pretty anti-gay. So, we have the president's representatives saying, the pope's representatives (AUDIO GAP) LGBT community at this meeting and it's about everybody has a place at the table, this pope is saying, this is the "who am I to judge?" pope. He's saying I want them there for the conversation, too.

HARLOW: Do his followers, do Catholics like that, welcome that, say it is 2015 and you are speaking not only for our religion but in the context of the time and the social change we're seeing or do you believe that he is alienating some?

BECK: Well, Catholicism has always taught compassion and inclusion without necessarily having to agree about teaching. So, gay marriage is not on the table as we heard and it's not on the table for the Catholic Church either. But the synod coming in October on family we'll be discussing how are we more inclusive of gay people and this is a good start for what will be in that synod in October as well.

HARLOW: I think it's interesting. He also made an historic apology on this trip, apologizing for the colonialism of the church.

Another first: why now?

BECK: Well, it's really his first opportunity. John Paul II made a general apology for a lot of the sins of the church, but can you imagine what this was like for this pope to be there in South America and to say, we have sinned against you by our imposing our theology and not respecting your culture, how that must have felt to those people?

So, it's a remarkable thing that he said we have sinned. It was grave sin. We are sorry for it. We have made mistakes.

I think it's really important the church is able to say that.

HARLOW: Absolutely. Saying we are human, too.

BECK: Yes.

HARLOW: In Bolivia yesterday, he visits a prison.

BECK: Remarkable. This is one of the most controversial prisons because the inmates rule the prison. It's too dangerous for the guards to even be in there, so they stand on the periphery. The pope went in and he met with the inmates and at the end of it, he said to them pray for me which he often says -- but then he said because I am a sinner, too, and I have to (AUDIO GAP).

This pope who was visited many prisons, he will visit a prison in Philadelphia when he comes in September, basically he's saying look, you may be here but we all have something. You're not alone. That's why I have come to you.

HARLOW: This all comes in the context of this trip across some of the poorest nations in Latin America, in a region where Catholicism has lost a lot of its following. What do you think this does, moves like this, to galvanize more followers?

BECK: I think those who may have left or are questioning the Catholic Church will maybe give another look because he's speaking about the poor, an issue for them, the environment, very critical about the environmental issues.

HARLOW: Yes.

BECK: He's speaking about issues that matter to people. So, I think others look at that and say maybe I have to look at this church again. It seemed like it was out of touch. It seemed like it wasn't meeting our needs.

HARLOW: Right.

BECK: That's why we left to join evangelical churches, but maybe this pope gets it finally and maybe we should take another look at this church.

HARLOW: Interesting. Thank you, Father Beck, for the perspective.

BECK: A historic day, historic trip for Pope Francis there.

Coming up next, we are taking you to Iran. After months and months of negotiations, potentially, potentially a historic agreement on Iran's nuclear program. Will they be able to reach one? Next.

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[16:37:25] HARLOW: The nuclear negotiations between Iran and Western leaders still really on the verge in Vienna. U.S. officials, including Secretary of State John Kerry insisting they are prepared if need to walk away from the table. We have heard this over and over. They do not want a bad deal.

All parties still working around the clock this weekend to see if they can reach a deal.

Senior international correspondent Nic Robertson in Vienna where the talks are taking place.

Look, Nic, we've heard a lot of optimism from the Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif and from John Kerry. We have also heard tempering of expectations.

Right now, what are the main sticking points?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As far as we know, the main sticking points are Iran's desire to have a weapons ban lifted, an arms embargo lifted. They said they won't sign the broader nuclear agreement until that's done. And they still have remaining issues about how inspections would be carried out of suspect sites in Iran to verify what they say they have.

Military sites seem to be the real issue for them. There are protocols within the agreement that do address this sort of issue. Perhaps some ground has been broken on that.

Look, today has been a very, very busy day for meetings. Secretary Kerry began his first meeting here just over 13 1/2 hours ago. He is back in another meeting right now with the Iranian foreign minister. He's had six meetings total. He's met with all his negotiating partners, P5-plus-1 -- Germany, France, China, Russia, Britain. He's met with them as a group, he's met with the foreign ministers individually.

But I think most significantly, it's what has been said after those meetings because we don't get details of what happens inside. We have had the French foreign minister come out and say after his meetings this afternoon with Secretary Kerry, he said look, everything is on the table, implication for the Iranians -- it is now time to decide for the Iranians.

Secretary Kerry after coming out of his meeting with the Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif said in a tweet that there are still tough issues to resolve. So, it seems that the sticking points still exist but as I say, the talks are going on right now and certainly no one is giving up at the moment, Poppy.

HARLOW: What about what the ayatollah has come out publicly saying about the Americans and arrogance?

ROBERTSON: Yes. He was speaking, he was addressing a group of students in Iran a little earlier this evening and he said essentially implied that American arrogance continues and when he was asked how does one stop that, he sort of rhetorically said, is there any way to stop it, that their arrogance continues.

You can look at this both ways. I mean, this is the guy, after all, who makes the final decision on what evening and he said essentially implied that, you know, American arrogance continues and when he was asked how does one stop that, he sort of rhetorically said is there any way to stop it, that their arrogance continues.

[16:40:07] You can look at this both ways. This is the guy, after all, who makes the final decision on what the negotiators here can say yes or no to. You could look at this as he's playing tough, he's holding out and also playing to a domestic audience saying we are the tough guys, we will get what we want, meanwhile something else happens here, or it's real. That's his real position, he's still afraid of the United States, the distrust is deep.

I went to a briefing here with a senior Iranian official just the other night and they said that distrust is growing. It's hard to judge what's real when you -- from what you hear from people like him right now or what is just bluff for the talks.

HARLOW: Absolutely. That is the difficult task in front of them, getting to a yes on both sides.

Nic Robertson, live for us in Vienna, Nic, thank you.

Coming up next: women fighting for equal pay for decades and decades and it includes top world athletes. Wait until you hear how much money the U.S. women's World Cup champions got after their victory compared to what men who lost in the World Cup got. And it's not just soccer -- the sports world's paycheck -- a reality check on that next.

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[16:45:01] HARLOW: Tennis superstar Serena Williams wins at Wimbledon today, her sixth Wimbledon title. She unlike many professional female athletes will earn the same prize money as Wimbledon's male winner. Makes sense, right?

Well, it's not the case in many sports. But this case is thanks to her sister -- a fight that Venus Williams led. She said that Wimbledon should, quote, "do the right thing, pay men and women equal prize money." That was in her 2006 "London Times" op-ed.

Here is Venus in her own words.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think what she said in that op-ed piece really resonated.

VENUS WILLIAMS, TENNIS PRO: It is a shame that the greatest tournament in tennis which should be a positive symbol for the sport has been tarnished.

SMOKEY FONTAINE, A+ MAGAZINE, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: Powerful words from African-American star athlete. The kind of engagement, political, sociopolitical engagement we haven't seen not only a black athlete take in so many years but any athlete.

WILLIAMS: How can it be that Wimbledon finds themselves on the wrong side of history?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the op-ed that she wrote, she talked about why it is important to promote women's empowerment and women's rights. I have a copy in my office.

WILLIAMS: I intend to keep doing everything that I can until Billie Jean King's original dream of equal prize money is made true. That letter to "The Times" was something that was very heartfelt and just honest. I think honesty was really the best way to go.

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HARLOW: Well, parliament was listening and they made the change. They brought equal pay in the tournament. But the women's World Cup U.S. soccer champions honored in this historic ticker tape parade in New York City on Friday, for their World Cup win they walked away with far less prize money than their male counterparts, $2 million for the women versus $35 million for last year's men's winning World Cup team.

Here's a look at the paycheck disparity throughout sports from our Andy Scholes.

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ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS (voice-over): Let's talk about how much money women are making in soccer. For the 2014 men's World Cup, the total amount of prizes available for the men, $576 million. This year for the women's World Cup the total amount of prize winnings available is $15 million.

It's not just the prize money that doesn't stack up. This year for the first time ever in any World Cup, the women were forced to play on artificial grass. To use another example, during the last Olympics, the Japanese women's team reportedly flew coach while in the same flight, the men were way up front in business class.

With such low payouts and benefits, you would assume it's because there isn't the same level of interest. So, let's look at the numbers. This year, the Stanley Cup finals averaged 7.6 million viewers a game. The NBA finals had 13.9 million a game. The 2014 men's final, they got 26.5 million viewers. And the women's final this year drew 26.7 million viewers.

That's the most Americans who have ever watched a soccer game. But look, ratings isn't everything. So, how much did they actually make? FOX Sports 1 is thought to have made $17 million in sponsorship revenue during the World Cup. Or in soccer terms, goal! And the men's World Cup, $529 million or in soccer terms, score!

So yes, the women's World Cup makes less than the men's World Cup so they get less money. That's the way it has to be, that's the market, right?

Not necessarily. Some sports have changed their pay structure. At the New York City marathon they split 50/50. The only major sport to do this is tennis. They also split all prizes 50/50, men and women.

But that wasn't always the case. In the 1970s, tennis tournaments were paying men 12 times what women were getting. The biggest female tennis star at the time, Billie Jean King, lobbied hard and managed to get each of the grand slam tournaments to pay out equal prizes. Female athletes take note, 3,840 percent pay disparity doesn't always have to be.

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HARLOW: Who better to talk to about this than this woman, CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan.

Thank you for being here, Christine.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Sure, Poppy. Thanks.

HARLOW: When you look at it, not only, not only did the U.S. national women's soccer team not earn as much as their male counterparts who won, they also earned significantly less than the U.S. men's team that finished 15th in the last World Cup and walked away with $9 million.

Why does this keep happening?

BRENNAN: Yes. If only Billie Jean King could become the new president of FIFA. I think that would be a good start.

Certainly, tennis benefited because Billie Jean was such a strident activist in the '70s, pushing for equality and threatening boycotts at the time. That's part of it.

Now, FIFA, we all know is in big trouble, with all the issues and a lot of those leaders are going to go to jail so maybe new leaders will come in and change things.

But the reality is, internationally, women's sports are not treated the same as they are in the United States.

[16:50:00] For example, U.S. Soccer Association, U.S. Soccer actually in its 2012 tax returns, four of the top six paid non-officers of U.S. internationally, women's sports are not treated the same as they are in the United States. For example, U.S. soccer association, U.S. soccer actually in its 2012 tax returns, four of the top six paid non- officers of U.S. soccer, four of the six top paid were women, including Alex Morgan. So, the reality is U.S. Soccer is doing a far better job than FIFA is

internationally.

HARLOW: It's a great point. So, what have we seen happen so much in this country on social issues is that business has led the way. Business leaders, CEOs. When you look at sports, who is more powerful than sponsors, than these big companies and brands? Do you think it's sort of incumbent on them to do something?

BRENNAN: Great question. I think the answer is yes. I actually got in touch with the people at Coca Cola, have not heard back yet, but coke is one of the sponsors of FIFA. There is Budweiser, there's McDonald's, there's other U.S. companies. Adidas is, of course, the German shoe company.

And we should all be asking them this question: are you comfortable with the men getting $35 million and the women getting $2 million? Because at the end of the day, they're paying the freight, right? The sponsors are the ones who are endorsing FIFA's incredible disparity.

HARLOW: And let's talk about the ripple effects of this. I was looking at some of the statistics about what it does to women's participation in sports all the way from elementary school, especially into college and whether they decide to pursue it professionally. It matters there.

BRENNAN: Well, it certainly does. The images are important. The money's important. Title IX of course is a U.S. law, changed the playing fields of America, led to what we saw with the women's world cup, the ticker tape parade, et cetera.

The U.S. is doing things right, by and large our girls and women are getting those opportunities that most other countries are not yet giving their girls and women. England is doing a better job, hence Wimbledon back in 2007.

But keep in mind, the United States Tennis Association, Poppy, gave equal prize money to the tennis players in the U.S. Open in 1973. So, that's how far ahead the U.S. is and I think we should be very pleased with this wonderful law, Title IX and what it is creating and the role models and the empowerment it's given to girls around the country.

HARLOW: But tomorrow, LPGA, the U.S. Open for women, they are not -- winner isn't going to walk away with as much as Jordan Spieth. So, I think we still have more room and more things to do to make it equal for everyone.

Christine, thank you so much. I hope you hear back from some of those sponsors.

BRENNAN: I will let you know. Thanks. Take care.

HARLOW: Please do.

Coming up next, just an incredibly disturbing story. Imagine being diagnosed with a rare internal form of cancer, then imagine finding out that your doctor lied. Well, this doctor did just that to his patients, and made millions doing it. Now, he is going to prison for a very long time. That story from Jason Carol when we're back.

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HARLOW: A former doctor will be spending the next 45 years in prison, a punishment many of his victims don't consider harsh enough. He gave hundreds of patients' cancer drugs that they didn't need. What he did is beyond imagination, deliberately poisoning his patients unnecessarily with these treatments to line his pockets with millions of dollars. Yesterday, dozens of his patients got to face him in court.

Here's CNN's Jason Carroll.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For a time, Dr. Farid Fata enjoyed the type of popularity to match his million dollar lifestyle. He lived in this tony mansion and ran several upscale clinics in eastern Michigan.

When Patricia Hester started feeling ill in 2010, she says she knew exactly where to go.

PATTY HESTER, FORMER PATIENT OF DR. FATA: He's world renowned. When you went in his office, he was top doc.

CARROLL: That first visit is a day she will never forget.

HESTER: He went over the results that he said he had and that I had MDS, a myelodysplastic syndrome, a terminal cancer of the blood and that --

CARROLL (on camera): Terminal? He did say --

HESTER: It is a terminal disease.

CARROLL (voice-over): Hester's story is similar to dozens of other patients. Prosecutors say Fat told, they, too, had cancer and needed immediate treatment.

People like Robert Sobieray, who was Fata falsely diagnosed with a rare form of blood cancer in 2010.

ROBERT SOBIERAY, FORMER PATIENT OF DR. FATA: Your mouth drops. Your heart sinks.

CARROLL: Imagine one moment not knowing how long you will live, then after years of chemotherapy or other toxic treatments finding out your doctor lied. You never had cancer at all.

SOBIERAY: What I want to do to him right now, I couldn't repeat what I want to do. It's unbelievable.

CARROLL (on camera): So, you were under treatment for three years. HESTER: Three years. Yes.

CARROLL: And three years later, you find out --

HESTER: It's a lie. It's all a lie.

CARROLL (voice-over): Relief at learning they did not have cancer turned to rage for hundreds of former patients of Dr. Fata. Like Hester and Sobieray, just two of more than 500 victims. Prosecutors say Fata falsely diagnosed his victims with cancer or misdiagnosed them, many given unnecessary chemotherapy or other toxic treatments, all prosecutors say in the name of greed.

Fata pleaded guilty to 13 counts of health care fraud, two counts of money laundering and what federal prosecutors call one of the worst cases of medical malpractice in U.S. history. They say Fata defrauded insurance companies out of millions of dollars by falsely diagnosing or grossly over-treating his patients.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He tortured them until they took their last breath.

CARROLL: Sobieray, Hester and dozens of his other former patients or relatives of those patients faced Fata in federal court for his sentencing.

(on camera): They came to court to read victim impact statements. It was one emotional story after another. Maggie Dorsey told the court that after chemotherapy treatments show did not need, she's a shadow of her former self.

And Marietta Crabtree read a statement from her husband who died in 2014.

(voice-over): His statement read, "I believe Dr. Fata knowingly and purposely treated me for the wrong cancer. I am in hospice. It is my dying wish that he be imprisoned for the rest of his life."

For his part, Fata did not acknowledge the patients gathered at the court. Many like Hester and Sobieray are dealing with a number of ailments as a result of his malpractice.

Sobieray wanted to face the man who left him with no teeth and a questionable future after the chemotherapy and radiation he did not need, but facing him in court did not bring him peace.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Sobeiray wanted to face the man who left him with no teeth and a questionable future after the chemotherapy and radiation he did not need, but facing him in court did not bring him peace.

ROBERT SOBIERAY, FORMER PATIENT OF DR. FATA: I should have never looked at him. He just gets me so upset now and now just seeing him today just made me sick.

CARROLL: Jason Carroll, CNN, Detroit.

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