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Whoopi Goldberg Abandons Bill Cosby Defense; A Discussion of Consent; Police Officer Tries to Ticket Woman, Saves Her Life Instead; New Policy for Transgenders in Boy Scouts, Military. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired July 14, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:00] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Bill Cosby`s loudest defender abandons him. Whoopi Goldberg tell us what change her mind.
And, are the Boy Scouts ready for a transgender troop leader.
Plus, a driver who choked on a biscuit is saved by an officer who pulled her over.
It all starts now with the top of the feed. Bill Cosby accused of drugging and raping dozens of women, he admits that he planned to give these drugs
Quaaludes specifically to at least one of them intending with the intention to have sex. Take a look.
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BILL COSBY, COMEDIAN: As a celebrity we know that we`re right, we know that they brought people in who laid accusations. And then with things
turn out to be not true.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How many of you were drugged?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: All of you
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Allegedly all of you.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve one glass of wine with dinner. He made me a drink.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, "Oh I`ve got something for that." And he gave me a pill.
PINSKY: The moment she gets wasted on anything, even two glasses of wine. In the eyes of the law she can no longer win our consent.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was forcing himself in my mouth.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The next thing I knew was 4 o`clock in the morning. I woke up in a bed naked, bruised.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was a lot of pain in down stairs.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If this really happened and if someone was trying to drug you you`re going to immediately go at the authorities .
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: OK hold on.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was looked at directly in the eye, by Bill Cosby and said, "I had better never, ever see your face or hear your name again."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Joining me is Samantha Schacher host of Pop Trigger on hogo.com. Areva Martin Attorney, Legal Consultant. Mike Catherwood my Loveline and
KBC Radio Co-host also Host of Chain Reaction on GSN. And in the audience Lisa Bloom proud Attorney at the Bloom Firm and Legal Analyst for
adult.com.
The last week more people were just said at Bill Cosby. Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: Because I`m sick in his ball. Here is the bottom line for me it`s my opinion and the American can`t agree with me
because still he is not been taken to jail or tried or -- on anything. So back off me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Yeah. I`m off, backing up on Whoopi. But look how she changed her mind. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOLDBERG: Because I always thought that if you could take somebody to court then you could have the accuser say that`s who did it. This is what
it is. But you were saying that all that is left to these women is the court of public opinion.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
GOLDBERG: All of the information that`s out there kind of points to guilt. You got a serial rapist -- You have a serial rapist who`s been on the
streets for 30 years.
None -- I have to say I thought that, yeah, here`s all the information take his ass in jail. I find out that from you that that`s not possible. So I
can`t say anymore innocent until proven guilty. It looks bad Bill.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: And Areva, people seem to confuse criminal process with just conversation about objectionable behavior?
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY, LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely. And, you know, I`m a little concern about this 180 that Whoopi Goldberg has done, how much of it
is pressure from the view from ABC, you know, it seem a lot -- a little stage to me to see now. Because she had a legal analyst on, she has
learned so much about the law, lawyers like Lisa and myself have been talking about this for a months.
PINSKY: You were talking about on T.V. it`s just necessarily to watch T.V. though Lisa.
LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Yeah, but she`s on the view everyday. And she had all the research from her producers everyday. And she just now was
realizing "Oh my gosh there`s a statute of limitations," I mean, everybody in America knows that. However I applaud her for changing her mind .
PINSKY: Yes, yes. I agree.
BLOOM: . we looked at all the facts and said, you know, what I was wrong.
PINSKY: However, Whoopi has a tendency to come to the defense of her friend.
MARTIN: Questionable people.
PINSKY: Well take a look at this. This is from the HBO`s last week with John Oliver.
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UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Roman Polanski
GOLDBERG: I don`t believe it was rape, rape.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Ray Rice
GOLDBERG: If you hit somebody you cannot be sure you are not going to get hit.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris Brown
GOLDBERG: Nobody knows what happens. So all you haters out there just find someone else to hate you and get all the fact.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Mel Gibson
GOLDBERG: I know Mel and I know he`s not a racist.
UNDIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh really?
GOLDBERG: Yeah. I do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SAMANTHA SCHACHER HOST, `POP TRIGGER`: Hay-yay-yay-yay-yay.
PINSKY: Well, you know, I kind of admire her taking Mike to position of, you know, wait until the facts are in don`t rush to judgment, don`t be mob
which is.
SCHACHER: Yeah, in this case Dr. Drew there`s 40 women who have come forward sharing the same stories. I`m sorry, but it looks like a duck
quack, like a duck, it`s a damn duck. Jesus.
MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S `LOVELINE` CO-HOST: Yeah, I agree with Sam. I mean, we are talking about rape -- serial rape? Real -- like really he is
great at it too. He`s like a really effective serial rapist.
[21:05:01] You know, I can`t.
PINSKY: Allegedly.
CATHERWOOD: . think -- I can`t think about defending Whoopi and her take on it. But I do agree with you in that Dr. Drew. You know, if someone in
the media, it`s really hard to kind of go against the court of popular demand even if you truly believe what you`re saying.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And so I do respect Whoopi for doing that.
MARTIN: OK, let me just add this to this equation. So Bill Cosby everyone agree, reprehensible conduct but he was America`s dad. He changed the
discourse of America for African-Americans and people looked up to Bill Cosby someone saying the way they look up to the black, first black
president.
PINSKY: OK.
MARTIN: So I think Whoopi perhaps was concerned about coming out against Bill, you know, before.
PINSKY: Well what is the concern those, there`s so wide if he why is he have to destroy his legacy?
MARTIN: Because black man gets treated differently in the media, you know, Dr. Drew all of the time.
So Whoopi I think might have been concerned about this lynching that happens in the media.
PINSKY: So this is the -- so her feeling is once a black man being scrutinized for behavior it`s almost like a public lynching without the
violence. It`s a rhetorical violence.
MARTIN: Well let`s make sure that the conduct didn`t -- did happened before we go to in to him because we`re seeing too many African-American
men who have been lynched, literally and figuratively.
BLOOM: Well that`s true. But also a number of his accusers are African- American women .
PINSKY: I get it.
MARTIN: But those were the first ones that came out, this is the first we did not see black women coming out against Bill Cosby.
PINSKY: And not only that, I`ve notice from Africa-American female friends, it`s not who the victims were, it`s about this is a black man in
the public being torn apart. And without any sort of process, seemingly due process. Yes, sir?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Well I just wanted to make a statement. I think I kind of agree with the young lady that Bill Cosby`s is like a.
MARTIN: The young lady?
BLOOM: Do you want her over?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Young lady. Bill Cosby`s like a father figure to me personally. I love the man and I never met him. I wish I have the
pleasure to meet him one day. And I want him to know that .
PINSKY: Bill?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course Bill, I`m hanging with you man and God bless you, I love you too.
SCHACHER: So wait, OK. So let me just get this clear in my mind.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
SCHACHER: So you are hanging with him, you would still love to meet him. What if your daughter, your wife, your sister was one of those women? How
would you feel then?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Look, first of all I apologize to any woman who`s been as apparently or allegedly assaulted. I would apologize from the bottom of
my heart.
SCHACHER: If you were him?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m just -- I would apologize if they did not, if anything would happen. I`m not taking anything away from what might have
happen. But we`re talking about allegations here for the most part.
CATHERWOOD: Yeah, but he has.
SCHACHER: 40 people?
CATHERWOOD: You`re right sir, but he has admitted that he did obtain these drugs. And they do have court documents. And he has agreed that he
obtained. An unbelievable amount of Quaaludes and that he`s now admitted that he did intend to at least give this to one of these women .
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: One of these women, hold on, hold on.
CATHERWOOD: Yeah, but that alone.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: How many come out of the wood (ph) about 40 of them.
CATHERWOOD: This is Bill Cosby could have banged any chick he wanted without any Quaaludes .
(CROSSTALK)
BLOOM: Sir, I represent one of those women. I represent Janice Dickinson who tells a very painful story of having been drugged and raped by Bill
Cosby
He and his team have done everything possible to keep her out of court. And for every woman who`s trying to go to court, who`s gone to police,
who`s gone to the district attorney.
Bill Cosby and his high priced attorneys have tried to block access to the court house doors. Does that affect your thinking at all?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Well first of all I like to say, I apologize for those women. But this is like a witch hunt and this is .
MARTIN: I don`t you should be apologizing. He should be apologizing.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. Hang on.
PINSKY: Hang on now. Listen, first of all I like to know what you would say. What`s your name?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Percy (ph).
PINSKY: Percy. Percy, first of all I admire you standing up there and taking.
SCHACHER: Yeah.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Well I mean -- it`s like a witch hunt, and I don`t appreciate that.
PINSKY: Well, but number two. I get the affection you have for this man and I get it. And the meaning he`s had in your life. And I don`t want
that to be taken away from you. We`re going to look in a few minutes if how his wife has responded to this. And what consent is all about.
You know, and he might have been -- he may have been traumatized himself. There may a way of understanding what he did. There`s not a way of
justifying or making it OK .
BLOOM: What about the victims?
PINSKY: No. I know, listen I`m trying to give him a place where he can hang on to his affection. And still not be OK what he did. You know, what
I`m saying Lisa?
BLOOM: How about the factor that he`s an actor?
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Most of -- how many actress you know in this town? Many (inaudible) that haven`t had some kind of serious issues and then
nobody said the thing this.
(CROSSTALK)
BLOOM: Forty seven, any teen (ph) actors in this town do not have 47 women.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: . allegations.
BLOOM: Forty seven women.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: . allegations.
PINSKY: Lisa, perfect. Guys, guys, guys as usual, I got to get to my feet as always.
I got to shift, go to commercial break, Lisa and Percy (ph).
So hang on I do appreciate. And I get the affection of what he`s meant too, and it makes very sad that he has let you down if he did.
UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s all allegations as far as I`m .
PINSKY: If he did I`m very sad he let down.
We are going to continue this conversation.
[21:10:01] Later on I got a police officer trying to give woman a traffic ticket, ends up saving her life instead. And she -- he actually knew the
father and the family.
The video after this.
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ALI NEJAD: I`m Ali Nejad with The Daily Share at this hour.
This is Russell Lupetaala and he is probably one of the kindest people you`re ever going to hear about.
You see Russell repairs wheelchairs for a living. And when he comes across people who can`t afford their wheelchair well, he gives up his own income
to give them wheelchairs for free. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson heard about Russell`s benevolence. And this is what he have to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DWAYNE JOHNSON, ENTERTAINOR: I`m very inspired by you. So keep up the great work. And I heard that, you`re an awesome guy. And I heard that you
give all your gifts away to people and you`re so incredibly talented man. I look forward to meeting you one day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
NEJAD: Inspiring young man Russell says, he was so moved that his favorite actor took time to Skype with him.
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PINSKY: Let say a woman goes up to guy`s room like goes up with Mike.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah
PINSKY: Like before you marry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which is very common, of course.
PINSKY: Very common. And says, we`re going to have sex, we`re going to get loaded and after we get loaded it we`re going to have sex.
At the moment she gets wasted on anything even two glasses of wine, in the eyes of the laws she could no longer render consent.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s correct.
PINSKY: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And if you have sex with your rapist
PINSKY: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the consent was already there before.
PINSKY: It doesn`t matter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you say, I`m going to room, I`m getting drunk and I`m having sex, that`s consent on both people.
PINSKY: But once you`re wasted, once you unite with a little bit husky you can no longer render because my question to Lisa is -- that it wasn`t like
that in the 70s 80s and 90s there was no such law in place. Can we judge those people by the same standards that are in place today?
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[21:15:01] PINSKY: That is the question everybody get in to. Here also I`m looking some tweets.
Yeah, buddy says Dr. Drew a slamming Whoopi Goldberg, I`m not slamming Whoopi. I don`t mean to it at all. We`re just here bringing it up her
change of mind. And we admire that she changed her point of view.
Also Kola tweeted me quote, "The type of rape that Cosby committed was cultural norm in the 70s just like wife beating was Folks ignored it."
Back with Sam.
CATHERWOOD: That`s very true.
PINSKY: I know that. That`s why I`m get in to Mike, Areva, Lisa, Sam, can we apply Areva today`s rules and standards and sensibilities and laws to
behavior that went on 20, 30 years ago.
MARTIN: Well first of all I disagreed that in the 70s it was OK to drug women and to rape them. That`s never been OK. That`s -- it was a crime
then .
CATHERWOOD: Areva.
MARTIN: And it`s a crime now.
CATHERWOOD: Areva, listen. And I have no -- I`m in no way trying to defend or endorse this behavior. But I present to you exhibit A, the movie
Animal House.
PINSKY: Yeah
CATHERWOOD: There is a scene in a major motion picture and a love beloved pic where he encounters a woman who was passed out from drinking and
partying too much. And the devil and angel on shoulders it`s like, "Hmm should I or shouldn`t I have sex with incapacitate woman" and in 1978 or
whatever the angel portrays .
MARTIN: For Christ sake it`s a movie Mike.
CATHERWOOD: The point is, if you`re to make that movie today and that would be in 70s.
SCHACHER: Mike brings up a really good point because remember Breakfast Club is the same thing.
CATHERWOOD: Yeah.
SCHACHER: At the end of the movie, the same exact thing, Anthony Michael Hall.
PINSKY: People, it was considered like sort of lame. It wasn`t -- that the angel on the sort was sort of lame for considering this person.
CATHERWOOD: Don`t be a.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: . out of the equation that to do is it women or discourage they were ashamed.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
MARTIN: .but these women had been allowed to tell, if they had been allowed to report these people what have been prostituted in the 70`s and
80`s. They would not have been given a.
CATHERWOOD: I think we`re arguing the same thing, I`m just saying that in generation`s past it wasn`t as frowned upon to maybe manipulate a woman in
different various way to get her in the bed.
MARTIN: By rapist?
CATHERWOOD: No I -- but I think it was -- I honestly think it was a little more.
PINSKY: Substantives, substantives as a part foreplay was a much more common phenomena.
SCHACHER: Right, but these women had no idea also that they were given substantives.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: Very sex statement. I think you guys are saying that and then...
CATHERWOOD: No, no wait, Areva.
MARTIN: I think if you ask the victims, if you ask women they`ll say, absolutely not, it was not acceptable.
PINSKY: Wait Areva, I`m saying that that period of history was reprehensible and disgusting.
MARTIN: Thank you.
PINSKY: And that`s what we`re saying you`re reacting is over saying its OK, OK. We`re saying, now look at period, I will never defend the 70s I
would taste some every mental health. No I`m not kidding every mental health problem I see, every trauma issue, every subject you could draw a
straight line back to the 70s when things really became -- and every was cool now whatever you`re into including getting loaded together having sex
which was not a way of understanding what consent is.
BLOOM: And look at Roman Polanski who in the late 1970s admitted to giving a Quaaludes to a 13-year-old girl. And then when she was drugged to having
different kinds of sexual penetration with her.
PINSKY: And people thinking that was cool. I think people thinking that was a.
BLOOM: And people have defending him ever since in the whole culture.
PINSKY: Yes.
BLOOM: defended him and attacked this 13-year-old girl from the.
PINSKY: Yes, it`s un -- Lisa, people don`t think about that period of history it was reprehensible all lot of the problems we`re dealing with
today is because of that period. And because what the culturally endorsed in the behavior for man and not supporting women it was massage.
CATHERWOOD: Areva is having hard time with it because she wasn`t born in, you know, by then. Areva being born in 1989 she doesn`t really understand
those cultural norms.
SCHACHER: I have a question for Lisa really quick and you as well Areva, why is there a statute of limitations when it comes to rape victims and
sexual assault because it often takes them if it all so long to finally have the courage to come forward.
BLOOM: There shouldn`t be and I`m not going to defend it. There isn`t generally for murder, for some kinds of kidnapping. And I think we need to
do a way. Look in Nevada at the behest of one of Bill Cosby accusers has extended the statute of limitations for rape to 20 years. I think that`s
more appropriate. And I think ultimately there should be no sex.
MARTIN: And there actually about eight states that have extended. And now there`s a movement for legislators to change that guide.
PINSKY: Hang on this gentleman has comment. Please you go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, a lot of this is about political correctness and the fact that people don`t like Bill Cosby because he`s a Conservative.
You know, there`s a lot of issues did not come up. This thing happened years ago. Yet it became an issue when it was not good to be a
Conservative in the media.
You`re talking about Hollywood as our standard for how we treat people that`s part of the problem right there. Every man and woman should be
treated with dignity not just because someone`s black or because someone is an actor, I mean the decent he have just treating someone right is should
be common sense and it`s not.
CATHERWOOD: OK, wait, hold on. Let -- that just pat me untrue. I understand that being a Conservative this under assault. And I`m not
taking away that from you. But this all came to light now because Hannibal Buress started talking about it. That`s it. There`s a reason why -- could
it be.
PINSKY: Let me ask this question.
CATHERWOOD: . the controversy is going on right in the second because he finally said, it is odd that we as comics have known that Bill Cosby like
to drug and rape chicks for a long time and nobody says anything.
PINSKY: But his point, or you`re point is really interesting to me. And it sort of goes to -- there`s an aphorism, somebody told me that days that,
you know, the left doesn`t always right. And the right is not always wrong.
[21:20:04] There are some that you`re sort of -- and my question is, would you have the (inaudible) 42 to stand up and say this had Trump not been out
there speaking the way he is right now. Do that give you -- just tell me do that give you the kind of the momentum?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I`m saying nothing is going to change when I`m going to stand up.
PINSKY: OK, OK, OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . just the way I`m not that person. But, you know what, Woody Allen. OK. Allegedly molesting a child, he`s a Liberal, where
is the accusations against him? It`s not politically correct, so check Woody Allen.
SCHACHER: I don`t know, I don`t support him.
BLOOM: . in fact my most shared article last year was about Woody Allen and the ten reasons why I believe Dylan his accuser a lot of us has spoken
at about Woody Allen, about Roman Polanski, about whether they`re right or left if they`re sexually abusing girls and women we`re going to speak out
against it.
MARTIN: And let me say this, as an African American women this -- you`re right this isn`t a race issue. But women of all color are speaking up
against Bill Cosby. And I don`t think it`s an issue of whether we`re Conservative or whether we`re Democrat. We`re taking about women`s whose
right, whose bodies were violated that has the means up their in this society.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why we have to say women though, why can`t we say children, why can`t we say people, the same people that are arguing against
this now will be in the same argument against how women aren`t treated equally in certain areas.
You can`t have it both ways we should be treated with respect and dignity on both sides man or women. And it shouldn`t just be about Conservative or
Liberal Woody Allen.
CATHERWOOD: I don`t think serial rape is like the line of doing you want to have your act (ph) is right.
PINSKY: Let me frame this, when we go back to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People that have an access. OK that`s good.
PINSKY: Let me -- thank you sir. Let me go back to the definition of concepts. So I want to read what the California consent law says, here it
is; "Affirmative consent", means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. Lack of protest or resistance does
not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent. Affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity and can be revoked at any time."
That`s kind of the two were asking about.
And now listen this is a big issue on college campuses, my kids is graduate in collage and people are struggling with this. There`s an app we consent
is there app open your phone now its 6:20 seconds, a mutual yes that videos viewable by law enforcement, I mean that`s so we`ve got.
SCHACHER: That`s a good idea.
PINSKY: Listen, it`s a good idea but this one is come to guide, this is where we.
MARTIN: Yes, because no, wasn`t working, no wasn`t working so basically, yes means yes.
BLOOM: Yes, an A, B means no.
PINSKY: Well, listen I don`t know how many you were completely evolve adults in 1920 and 21. But I was a screwball like those.
CATHERWOOD: You`re going to start seeing dudes like, weaken the birdies with passed out chicks like.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I say yes.
PINSKY: No, no, I don`t think I`m just saying we are really asking a lot of young people these days. And reasonably so but boy it`s a gigantic
burden that we are trying to navigate through college campuses are on a fair a difficult environments right now.
The one thing I would say in addition to consent the thing that I see is the big problem is the substantives the alcohol, the alcohol have been
people can`t render consent this happening all the time. And they`re getting loaded because of the extreme pressures on them socially.
There still laid out the lessons, I don`t know about you. But I was screwball then. And I was just trying to get through. And man if I had to
do an app or a video I don`t know what it would be like.
Coming up the Boy Scouts say it`s now OK for troop leaders to be homosexual.
We`re back after this.
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[21:27:24] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a new day if your transgender or gay. The Boy Scouts had cleared the way for gay adults to service leaders.
And the U.S. military may soon lift the ban on transgender people serving openly.
According to American`s Defense Secretary.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "We have transgender soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines real, patriotic Americans who I know are being hurt by an outdated
confusing, inconsistent approach."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the words of Zoey Tur Transgender, Helicopter Pilot and Investigative Reporter.
ZOEY TUR, TRANSGENDER REPORTER: There`s nothing to be ashamed about being transsexual or transgender.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: It`s not yet a done deal. But transgender folks will likely be allowed to serve openly in the military.
Back with Sam, Areva, Mike, Lisa.
Mike, any thoughts on this?
CATHERWOOD: You know, I am a huge supporter of all everyone in the transgender community. And I`m happy I`m very happy that any transgender
American can do whatever any other American can do.
But I am concern that if there is a -- or a barracks where there`s a vagina in it, regardless of if someone identified as a man. I know my marine
friends that might be trouble, like I just -- I don`t know about the idea of male soldiers living in the same quarters at someone regardless of what
they identified as having.
SCHACHER: Well then maybe they should worry about those male marines, and not this poor woman who`s the victim.
CATHERWOOD: So I`m -- look -- but there`s nothing really wrong with being horny yet as a young man. I`m just simply saying that.
SCHACHER: Well that`s consensual the lesson.
CATHERWOOD: I`m just saying, I wonder about what it`s like when they`re changing their clothes when they`re maybe, you know.
PINSKY: I`m go to have in just a second, some, I may have military per se in here. But I want to get Zoey`s opinion real quick.
You don`t say or Mike say, is that you and others have educated us that transgender is sort of a spectrum now which includes people that might be
completely biologically one way. But identify another. And if one of those folks ended up in a barracks with the bunch of male marines that`s I
think what he`s talking about, you understand?
TUR: It`s already happening.
PINSKY: How is that?
TUR: It`s already happening in -- with overseas deployment, you have genetically female service members that have already started their
transitioning. And present as male serving along side male soldiers, genetically male soldiers without a problem. This is a non-issue.
PINSKY: So it`s already happening?
TUR: It`s been going on for the last two years so.
PINSKY: Is it under the, "don`t ask, don`t tell policy."
TUR: Its really, it has more to do with the kind of jobs these people are doing. And -- they`re already openly serving. The question is, it is kind
of been done as an experiment, Ash Carter is been very important with the DOD and experimenting. And it hasn`t been a problem. So.
[21:30:07] CATHERWOOD: All right, but those -- Zoey, do those soldiers live, live along side in the same quarters?
TUR: Yeah. Well they--not just that but they`re all just.
PINSKY: Shower, bathrooms, that they have special facilities, how does that work?
TUR: There`s differences, of course, they`ll have to.
PINSKY: They`ll figure it out.
TUR: They figure it out. You know, you tend to do what you have to do when you`re over there.
PINSKY: Lisa (ph).
BLOOM: Yeah but I mean isn`t a time to just get over these concerns (inaudible). We assume that everybody is heterosexual. If it`s an all
male unit, some percentages are going to be gay. You know, they might get excited by seeing a penis.
TUR: Everyone is getting...
BLOOM: We got over that.
TUR: ... two drinks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are the same arguments were used to keep women out of the military. They say women couldn`t serve. So at some point, we
have to just recognize that people can serve despite their gender or their gender identification.
PINSKY: But the women were at house than using bathroom based on what they said they were.
Let me bring in somebody here. This is via Skype. I have John Cardillo. He`s formerly an NYPD officer. He`s the host of The John Cardillo Show on
WJNO Radio.
John, what do you say to this conversation we`re having here?
JOHN CARDI.LLO, THE JOHN CARDILLO SHOW HOST: Well, I had a long conversation today with the United State ex-army captain multiply deployed
in the combat zone, he`s currently commanding troops in a forward combat unit. And he`s a socially libertarian guy. His issue and issue of many
other that I spoke to are with standards. What happens when they now identify as a female. Do they pass the male physical standards or the
female and vice versa.
So our men going to crush the female standards and the females not going to make the men standards, this is a very knee-jerk politically correct
response by the Department of Defense. It`s something that requires tons of study and a lot of logistical preparation.
PINSKY: What about Zoey saying it`s an -- you say, it was an experiment or it`s already happening?
TUR: It`s been going on.
PINSKY: But you call it an experiment, is that what you`re calling it?
TUR: I think -- of course, it`s an experiment because, you know, they`re observing what`s happening. They`re seeing if there`s been complains and
there are no complains.
PINSKY: And these are forward.
TUR: These are units, tight units, that forward operating units...
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: So my question to John, and by the way, I do not have a horse in this race, I`m just curious. Is the forward combat unit the place for
social experimentation?
CARDILLO: No, it`s not. I mean find military to be perceived as a well- oiled killing machine to our enemies not a bravo reality show.
PINSKY: OK.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, John, here`s my take. Let`s say all things being equal, you have a transgender person who is mentally capable, physically
capable, just like any other military personnel out there. And they are serving for our country. They are sacrificing their life for us. Don`t
you think that they deserve the right and the respect to serve openly and honestly, whatever their truth may be?
PINSKY: John?
CARDILLO: I do. I do providing no special accommodations are made that would not be made for others in their unit.
PINSKY: Let me bring in another voice to this conversation. This is Kristin Beck.
CARDILLO: Nice.
PINSKY: She joins us via Skype. She`s a transgender, retired Navy Seal. Kristin, help us with this. How do we understand this argument, what`s
your opinion?
KRISTIN BECK, EX-NAVY SEAL: Well, first of all, thank you for having me on the show, I appreciate that. To have a voice of someone who is actually
transgender and served in the military.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Awesome.
BECK: The thing is, it`s not experiment. The person you`re speaking about is Shane Ortega. He`s in Hawaii. He is an aircrew captain on a
helicopter. He is transgender. He`s been serving for a number of years. And he`s had no operation (inaudible) it`s not been a big problem.
PINSKY: We`re getting some strange feedback there Kristin. Hang on one second. Here`s what`s I want to do.
Lisa (ph), you want to make one quick comment before we go to break.
BLOOM: Yeah. I mean, I think it`s really insulting to say these are bravo reality show people. We`re talking about everyday people just being
themselves and you say is this a place for social experimentation. I would say, is the service the place for bigotry and discrimination in America,
people who are just serving their country.
PINSKY: Hold it right there. We`re going to continue this conversation. Kristin, we`re going to fix the sound just quick. I want you to think
about whether -- we don`t understand it. So I want you -- who`ve been on both sides of this -- all sides of this argument. And Zoey, I want you to
help us navigate through this.
Later on, a traffic stop probably saved a woman`s life. She was chocking on a chicken biscuit and the cop saved her life.
Back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: The day is now come that Boys Scouts Executive Committee has unanimously adapted a resolution allowing gay adults as leaders, and soon
the military maybe allowing transgender folks to serve openly in the military.
Back with Sam (ph), Areva, (ph), Mike (ph), Lisa (ph), also bringing back Kristin Beck, who joins us via Skype. She is a transgender, decorated,
retired Navy Seal. And how`s your sound there Kristin. You want to make a comment, we couldn`t hear it there during the -- before the break.
BECK: Yeah. I think I`m OK now.
PINSKY: OK, good. I want to actually now go to Zoey who had an interesting comment to make about the military. Go ahead, Zoey.
TUR: The United States military, the Department of Defense has been the most racist, transphobic, homophobic organization in the United States,
given great difference by the U.S. Supreme Court to violate the constitutional rights of the people serving. And yet, they`re about to
become the largest employer of LGBT people in the world.
PINSKY: That`s good.
TUR: And this is stunning. You know, it`s amazing.
PINSKY: It`s a stunning turn around.
TUR: Oh it`s amazing. It`s ironic but this is a really -- it speaks so well of the military. Ash Carter, Obama and this isn`t just a fascinating
time. And these things, these issues are non-issues. They`ll work -- it`ll all work itself out.
PINSKY: Zoey says ...
TUR: Yeah.
PINSKY: ...not issue, Kristin, what say you?
BECK: Well, it`s going to be some issues, I mean, Zoey has a great point there. And there`s going to be growing punches (ph), there`s going to be
issues. There`s an issue going on right now with a senior sailor on a ship who`s deployed right now, is an EP sailor, which means exceptional, a
great, great person.
And right now, he`s being ostracized by his unit and possibly going in front of his commanding officer in the next couple of days because somebody
outed this person as being transgender. So before this policy takes effect, we already have people out there trying to get rid of people,
trying to, you know, ostracize and throw people off the back of a ship possibly, you don`t know what going to happen ...
PINSKY: Oh my god.
BECK: ...so there`s going to be amazing problem.
PINSKY: I want to get to the -- from our audience. Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mike (ph) said something early, and I don`t think that he`s getting enough credit what he said.
I do stand up and I get to go and perform for this troop in the fall, I`m really excited about that. But my girlfriends who have gone have gotten
rape whistles and they get off.
And so, there is a reality that among the barracks, women need to be protected a little bit. And so I think that he spokes from a place of
caring and a -- like a place of love and I appreciate that. And I do refute it. We need to change the mentality of all the dudes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
PINSKY: So, to educate the young males, but as you say...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Amen to that (ph).
PINSKY: Lisa (ph), you want to comment on this, what -- for instance, what Billy (ph) was saying about the fact that the military is now the largest
employer of LGBT individuals?
BLOOM: I -- you know, I think it`s fantastic, and thank you for your service, Zoey and Kristin. I don`t think we can say that enough.
And by the way, you know, all the arguments about gays and lesbians in the military a couple years ago, oh, they`re not going to be ready, it`s not
going to work out, what are they going to do about bathrooms, people sleep in the same barracks and now it`s just crickets, right, no problems.
PINSKY: Well, I want to go to John Cardillo who still with us, I want to give him a chance to ring in on this. He was the one that was saying that
this is an experiment, this is not a bravo reality show. What about the opinions about one of the Romeo (ph), what do you say?
CARDILLO: Well, first of all, thank you to Kristin and Zoey for their service, I mean, nothing takes away from that honor and service to their
country.
But in the real world, this is a social experiment, that might not be the correct thing to say, definitely not be the acceptable thing to say in the
progressive community, but that`s absolutely what this is. And I think Kristin is being a realist in admitting there are problems.
And as many regulations as you pass (ph), and even if it becomes legislation, those things don`t change ideology, so this is going to be a
long hard climb before this becomes a normalized policy if it ever does. But I do think it`s going to require a lot more study and they`re doing it
in a very premature (inaudible) way.
PINSKY: All right, we`ll get a lot more audience input. I`m sorry, go ahead, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just think that it shouldn`t matter what the name of the person is or, you know, what they identify as, is that if they`re
capable ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...it shouldn`t matter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
PINSKY: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you got each other`s back, that`s all (inaudible) ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And let`s applaud him, let`s applaud him, he`s trying to prove (ph).
PINSKY: Areava?
MARTIN: Rather then focusing on more studies, let`s put more resources towards this so that we can help individuals understand how everyone can
serve and, you know, if we have this attitude about exclusion rather than inclusion, African-Americans would not be served in a long sigh, White, you
know, people ...
PINSKY: Yeah.
MARTIN: ...in the military because the same fear was there that somehow Blacks and Whites, you know, mixed together on the battlefield, the world
was going to come to an end and that didn`t happen.
So I don`t want to talk about studies, let`s talk about resources that help make this work rather than ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ...find way for it not to (inaudible).
PINSKY: One more question, yes, (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, I`ve been in boot camp, I`m former air force, and you know what, I don`t think it will ever go away in regards to mentality
that we have to have, in regards to being tough, being solidified and I don`t know how many people on here have served in military, if you have,
raise your hand. OK.
PINSKY: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The thing is, is one person out of everybody and minus -- you`ve served in the military?
TUR: No, I was a contractor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, OK, a contractor. OK, I`m just saying. Coming from that perspective, it is hard balls to the neck every single day ...
PINSKY: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...when you`re in basic training.
PINSKY: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And for me, I mean, I had a hard time getting through, I don`t think, honestly, this will ever go away. I don`t think guys or
transgender people will ever have a place in the military.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But they do have a place in military ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I don`t think they ever will.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Beck, Ms. Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I understand that, but I`m saying in regards to all the military that people that are currently in there ...
TUR: Actually ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...will not have ...
TUR: ...you don`t have a place in the military.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, is that right?
TUR: Yeah, you don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible).
TUR: You don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, OK ...
TUR: You don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...why is that?
TUR: Because you`re a troglodyte.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a troglodyte. How is that?
TUR: Well, I`ll tell you (ph) later, but essentially, essentially, essentially, the transgender people, gay people are still serving, they
have been serving, they`ve been serving for decades and ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So how many people know that they`re actually transgender?
TUR: Well, it doesn`t make any ...
PINSKY: No, it does make a point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So that`s a valid question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It does make a point, you mean, they have to be forthright and honest. Honestly, if I was in a barracks ...
TUR: Can you follow orders?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...with (inaudible) ...
TUR: Can you follow orders?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I can follow orders.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, if you`re given an order by your commanding officer that you`re not to retaliate or treat any soldier any way any differently
than you treat any other soldier, including transgender soldiers, would you follow that order?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, it`s funny ...
TUR: Would you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That would be an -- I -- that would be the day ...
TUR: Would you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...in hell where I`d meet a person in the military that I was sure it would be like that.
PINSKY: OK, hold on, hang on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, no, I`m serious, I`m serious.
BLOOM: (Inaudible), but these are human beings.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because, because -- I know, I know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How dare you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I -- don`t dare me because I`ve served in the military and I`ve seen the leaders that are in the military with their
mindset and how they go about ...
BLOOM: But they`re human beings.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand that, but as long as they come forward and be honest with this and tell us that they are transgender ...
BLOOM: Well, they can do that ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...I think that`s fine.
BLOOM: ...if they are protective from losing their jobs, then they can do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, that`s fine ...
PINSKY: Hang on, guys, guys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...as long they`re honest about it.
PINSKY: Let me get Kristin`s opinion. You know, Kristin has been a decorate Navy SEAL, somebody who`s been in the military who has an opinion,
we -- yeah, Kristin you`re smiling, go please ...
BECK: Yeah.
PINSKY: ...help us with this argument.
BECK: I`m listening into your stage (ph) and I just -- I`m surprise that he even made it to boot camp. The thing is, is in military is (inaudible)
the military with national (ph) soldiers, we know it, we follow orders, we`re disciplined, we have integrity, we have honor.
PINSKY: That`s it.
BECK: We`re not (inaudible), we are not business butt head (ph).
PINSKY: And -- but you understand people get confused by this issue. And they want to understand how you reconcile -- how the military is going to
reconcile. Can you help us ...
BECK: Yeah.
PINSKY: ...get some clarity?
BECK: Well, there`s already examples. So there`s already examples of people serving right now, so it`s not a big deal. I served, I`m
transgender. And to this day, even after having some hormones and some other things, I can still (inaudible) 220 pounds.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
BECK: I can (inaudible).
PINSKY: OK.
BECK: You know, and so I`m a female, I have the capability, there`s a lot of people out there that have a capability.
PINSKY: Yeah.
BECK: That`s what`s it`s all about.
PINSKY: And that`s what`s it`s all about.
BECK: Are you capable?
PINSKY: We will ...
BECK: They`re capable and served (ph).
PINSKY: We will leave it (inaudible) straight, we`ll leave it at that. We thank you all for your conversation, your opinions.
Next up, Bobbi Kristina Brown is angry, she`ll tell us what is making her mad after the break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Time now for Click Fix with my guest. Tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook, Instagram feeds and Special Note (ph). We are now
on Snapchat. You can follow Dr. Drew HLN. We`ve all kind of special behind the scene stuff here. (Inaudible) Snapchat for us -- with us, right
now, back with Sam, Areva, Mike, Sam , what you got?
SCHACHER: Okay. Bobbi Kristina is outspoken aunt. She has made the news once again this time while she gave an interview on a radio station in
Atlanta. And that interview has gone viral. She told V103 to set the record straight. She called them about the accusations that the Brown
family were the ones that`s so-called took that (inaudible) photo. I want you guys to listen.
PINSKY: OK.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
LEOLAH BROWN, BOBBI KRISTINA`S AUNT: That picture -- whoever took that picture -- took that picture when Bobbi Kristine was in the hospital, not
hospice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
BROWN: She`s in hospice right now. We didn`t know who took that picture and we`re going to get to the bottom of it. But it was not a Brown that
took that picture, this whole thing about the Browns being bought. No, it`s not the Browns being bought.
Let me say this because I want to speak out because I`m tired, I`m really tired of people talking about the Browns.
First of all, Bobbi Kristina does not want any Houston near her, OK? It`s a known fact that Pat Houston is not liked at all by Whitney and Bobbi
Kristina. And I`m going to speak out on this later.
After her mother died, Pat threw her on a reality show and exploited her. She knows damn well that Krissy should have been somewhere trying to deal
with her mother`s death a little bit better than that.
SCHACHER: OK. So, here at HNL, we cannot confirm or deny Leolah`s allegation.
PINSKY: Wow, it`s a great. We`ll keep an eye on that. Areva, what you got?
MARTIN: OK. I got a bold mommy blogger in Australia. She posted a controversial photo of her twin daughters on Facebook. It`s going viral.
So this 26-year-old mother has two twin daughters and she`s sick and tired of people asking her, "intrusive and exhausting questions about the twins."
PINSKY: You know what.
MARTIN: So, she made a real.
PINSKY: .we have triplets -- listen, we have triplets. We were going to put those questions on teachers.
MARTIN: Don`t do it.
PINSKY: On teachers.
MARTIN: Don`t do it.
PINSKY: I mean, we`re so tired of the same question. When did you find out? How did you know? How do you go?
MARTIN: So her questions were, "Yes, they`re mine. Yes, they`re not identical. They were born by C-section." And get this conceived by f-ing.
PINSKY: We weren`t going to put that on our thing.
MARTIN: This mother had a statement. You can take a look at her statement, but she just wants people to know, she was trying to help other
mothers who gets these intrusive questions.
PINSKY: Multiple parents get that kind of thing like crazy. We were not going to go with the f-ing thing on our teacher with petri dishes. Anyway,
Mike, go ahead.
CATHERWOOD: Yesterday, we shared the video of a guy who let his dong like wave around after he stole a police cruiser, he`s butt-naked. It`s
fantastic. There he is. Yeah. So we may finally know his motives because today is National Nude Day, a little known holiday.
PINSKY: Come on.
CATHERWOOD: ... underrated by nudist around the world.
PINSKY: Oh my god.
CATHERWOOD: And in honor of the special holiday, I bring to you ladies and gentlemen this man. He caused a massive traffic jam on the Connecticut
interstate during morning rush when he parked alongside of the interstate and let his nuts hang out. He was taken to the hospital.
PINSKY: He was mad to blow stuff like...
CATHERWOOD: Well, he was taken to the hospital for medical evaluation.
PINSKY: Yeah. It just happened to be a National Nude Day.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: All right. Be sure, again, sign up for us with Snapchat, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
PINSKY: Next, a life saving traffic stop caught on tape.
Back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Time now for my Click Fix. Check out this dashcam video from an Austin, Texas police cruiser.
The officer initially stopped woman because she was using her cellphone. Actually, she was trying to call 911 for help, the officer dislodge a
biscuit with Heimlich maneuver. The woman though had fainted. She was in good condition when she arrived -- look at this, arrived the hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow.
PINSKY: Yeah. And by the way, the officer knows the woman`s father. He`s a detective with the Austin Police Department. So this was good fortune.
What`s that?
SCHACHER: Have you been in a public place where.
PINSKY: Oh, yeah.
SCHACHER: ... where they didn`t know you`re a doctor and you did minister the highlights.
CATHERWOOD: He saved a kid`s life at a football game.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Really?
CATHERWOOD: Yeah.
PINSKY: I resuscitated a kid -- it was a horrible thing but yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A hero, a hero.
PINSKY: (Inaudible) anytime, don`t forget to follow us on Snapchat. Snapchat address is Dr. Drew, DrDrewHLN.
Thank you all for watching. Again (inaudible) watch us anytime and we`ll see you next time.
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