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[15:00:11] HALA GORANI, HOST: Tonight, a historic deal done.


GORANI: Iran and six world powers come to an agreement on Tehran's nuclear program. We hear from supporters but also from critics of the deal.

Plus Greece's Prime Minister appeals for support before the first vote on critical reform in the (inaudible) Parliament.

Also Queen Guitarist and animal rights activist Brian May joins me to explain why the controversial practice of fox hunting should stay banned.

And the new Harper Lee book flies off the shelves in the reclusive author's home time, and CNN is there.


GORANI: Hello, everyone, I'm Hala Gorani, we're live at CNN, London, and this is the World Right Now.

Decades of hostilities and tension over Iran's nuclear program were pretty dramatically transformed today in what's being called a new era of hope by



GORANI: International negotiators in Vienna signed a final agreement, it's 159 pages long and it took months of painstaking talks, years in fact. The

deal limits Iran's nuclear activities while still allowing a peaceful nuclear program. In exchange Iran gets billions of dollars in sanctions


The Presidents of Iran and the United States addressed their respective nations after the announcement and a sign of just how historic today is,

Iran took the extremely rare step of broadcasting Barack Obama, speech live on state television.

Mr. Obama says the deal blocks every pathway to a nuclear bomb, listen.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Iran will not use its advanced centrifuges to produce enriched uranium for the next decade. Iran

will also get rid of 98% of its stockpile of enriched uranium.

To put that in perspective, Iran currently has a stockpile that could produce up to 10 nuclear weapons. Because of this deal, that stockpile

will be reduced to a fraction of what would be required for a single weapon.


GORANI: Of course this is all about how leaders sell this to their country men and women. So for his part the Iranian President, Hassan Rouhani, said

the nuclear deal meets all of his country's objectives.


HASSAN ROUHANI, PRESIDENT OF IRAN: (As translated). Iran is not looking for weapons of mass destruction and never will be. And neither is it after

imposing pressure on the countries of the region and never will be.

Countries of the region, the relations between us are gaining a new start with more affinity, intimacy, and brotherhood, and we are looking to extend

our relations with you.


GORANI: The Iranian President. So there are supporters and there are also critics of the deal. The supporters say it will make the world a safer

place. Critics including Israel call it a historic mistake. We'll have reaction from around the world this hour. First though, Nic Robertson

tells us how the deal was hammered out from Vienna.


NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: More than a decade to get here, smiles and relief. The world's longest nuclear talks over. This is

an historic day because we are creating the conditions for building trust.

Talks moderator and Iran's lead negotiator finally on the same page.

(MOHAMMAD ZARIF): I will present exactly the same paper that Ms. Mogherini read in English, in Persian. So don't worry, it's the same thing.

ROBERTSON: And here's what they agreed. Inspectors will have 24/7 access to Iran's key nuclear facilities. Get rid of 98% of enriched uranium

stockpile, the stockpile limitation will last for 15 years. Sanctions relief with Iran will be phased in. If Iran violates the deal all

sanctions will snap back and much more.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Because of this deal the international community will be able to verify that the Islamic Republic of

Iran will not develop a nuclear weapon.

ROBERTSON: A deal this day reaching across nations. President Obama live on Iranian TV. Iran's President selling the deal too, telling Iranians

sanctions gone for good.

Today at least gaps in the agreement like interpretations over sanctions overshadowed by the deal itself.

JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The agreement we've reached fully implemented will bring insight and accountability to Iran's Nuclear

program, not for a small number of years but for the lifetime of that program.


[15:05:09] ROBERTSON: One of the last pieces of the deal to be hammered out here at the talks hotel was Iran's demand to have an arms embargo

lifted. Late into the night Secretary Kerry met with his Iranian, Russian and European counterparts it was decided the arms embargo would be lifted

in five years and a ballistic missiles ban in eight years.


ROBERTSON: Perhaps the final link in this colossal puzzle just an hour before the agreement announced Iran signs a deal to come clean about its

nuclear past.

YUKIYA AMANO, DIRECTOR GENERAL OF IAEA: This is a significant step forward towards clarifying outstanding issues regarding Iran's nuclear program.

In his interview with Christiane Amanpour Zarif denied Iran ever wanted a bomb.

ZARIF: So if they want to close four pathways to a bomb or 40 pathways to a bomb, they can close them all because we do not want the pathway to the


ROBERTSON: But finally now after years of talking the talk Iran will have to walk the walk.

KERRY: We're putting to test whether or not there's a change of heart, a change of mind, a change of direction, and if there isn't we have every

option available to us every day that we have right now.

ROBERTSON: And that Kerry hopes will be enough to silence the critics.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Vienna, Austria.


GORANI: Well Nick joins me now live from Vienna with more. We know that up until the last minute yesterday there were still hurdles, clearly they

were overcome; we have a deal today. What did it take to reach today's agreement?

ROBERTSON: Late into the night and perhaps that meeting over the arms embargo was one of the critical things and it went down this way which is

quite interesting and telling in itself.


ROBERTSON: So you Secretary Kerry and his entourage with Federica Mogherini the EU Foreign Policy Chief with Sergei Lavrov, the Russian

Foreign Minister, who's already been very clearly articulating he supports Iran on the issue of having that arms embargo lifted. For Secretary Kerry

that's been something of a red line.

They're meeting with their entourages then the Iranian Foreign Minister, Zarif is brought in, then the entourages leave, so you just have those core

players left there. They hammer out something by themselves, we now know what it is, and Secretary Kerry then calls President Obama to talk about

it. The officials then get to work on the paperwork after that either later into tonight. But that kind of tells you that the deal came right

down to very, very late in the night and it took basically these key players to hammer it out amongst themselves, real final last minute

decision making.

And when you think about what we'd heard from the Iranian Foreign Minister in the last couple of days, political will, political will, he kept saying

it required political will. Maybe it did. Maybe that's what that meeting where it actually happened, Hala.


GORANI: As an extremely technical document it's almost 160 pages long, annexes in the very fine print and detail of the nuclear program. Nick

Robertson, thanks very much. Nick has been following this from the beginning in Vienna.

Now the American President Obama says he welcomes a congressional debate in Washington over this deal but he also made it crystal clear that he will

veto any efforts to block it.

We're joined now by our U.S. Law Maker who's an outspoken critic of this agreement, Lee Zeldin serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee and is

coach here of the House Republican Israel Caucus. Thanks very much sir for being with us.

First of all you said you would vote against this deal.

REP. LEE ZELDIN, R-NY, HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE: Well it's a bad deal and as you just stated the President saying that he welcomes a review

and a debate as long as I guess everyone agrees with him saying that he would veto any type of an effort to stop this deal.


ZELDIN: I have strong exception with a lot of stuff not being even part of the negotiations. Iran is working over (inaudible) foreign governments, we

saw it in Yeoman and elsewhere, sponsoring terrorism, financing it, developing ICBMs. They're unjustly imprisoning United States citizens,

blowing (inaudible) war ships up, pledging to wipe Israel off the map, the list goes on, (inaudible) debt to America. None of this was even part of

the negotiations so now we're giving tens of billions of dollars of sanction relief to the Iranians but there's no strings attached to that,

they want to spend that on financing terror. There's nothing stopping them.

GORANI: What would you consider then a viable alternative? In the end the nuclear program of Iran is very much curtailed. 98% of enriched uranium

gone, two thirds of centrifuges removed, sanctions snapped back into place for non-compliance. What would your plan be here?

ZELDIN: Well so everything that I had just stated would be - have been part of the negotiations and the President should have been stronger at the

table to bring more into it. Because now the leverage, the next President of the United States is going to be handicapped because this is the reason

why the Iranians were at the table. It's not because they want to be United States - be good world citizens, it's because they wanted the

sanctions relief.

[15:10:13] ZELDIN: And as far as the debate over what's exactly in the deal, the President stated that there would be 24/7 access, anytime,

anywhere. But when you actually read the deal you'll read that if there's a request for a weapons inspector to have access the Iranians will have 14

days to respond. If they don't want to grant access, there has to be a vote from a commission which triggers another process where the Iranians

have to give - decide whether or not they would support what that commission rules.

That doesn't sound like 24/7 access. So what we were seeing in the messaging both with the Iranian leadership and the U.S. leadership is that

they are spinning some of the key points to best serve their domestic politics because they weren't able to reach an agreement.

GORANI: But here you had essentially a process that began under George W. Bush. It is in fact the Bush Administration that reversed the ban on

talking directly to Iran. But it's finally ended in a deal that's avoided war, another war in the Middle East.


GORANI: And that is putting really a very important and significant cap on the nuclear activities of Iran. But you're suggesting that this is not a

good thing because of the activities of Iran. But if you look at allies of the United States like Saudi Arabia, you could argue they too finance

groups that are considered terrorist organizations by the United States yet that wouldn't be your approach with that particular country?

ZELDIN: So the President is saying that the only alternative to whatever agreement he was going to reach was war. I've rejected that the entire

time. But taking that for what it is, I mean the irony of that statement is that - and we're seeing the evidence already within the Middle East with

some of the analysis of the deal, is that this could result in more instability in the Middle East because of some of the stuff that wasn't

part of the negotiations as I said earlier, more instability.

You have other nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia and elsewhere where you know they are going to be concerned about what the impact is of lifting an

arms embargo in five years or eight years. Or what's the impact in 15 years when the Iranian nuclear infrastructure which remains in place with

the temporary concessions that they made are lifted and Iranians now have that path.

Because in the life of a country they're not worried about the distance between now and the end of President Obama's second term; they look at

decades, generations, centuries ahead and as far as their stability they're all going to have to start planning for the future understanding that the

Iranians will have a clear path to nuclear weapon as we go further along in the timeline.

GORANI: All right, Lee Zeldin a Representative from the Republican Party in the United States from New York, thanks very much for joining us from

Washington with your take on this deal. Not a supporter.

Still to come tonight - we have a lot more of course on Iran later in the program.


GORANI: (inaudible) Where is El Chapo? Mexican authorities are trying to find the drug kingpin. And Mexico is not the only country that is angry

about developments there. Stay with us.




[15:15:32] GORANI: Welcome back. Now Mexican authorities are offering almost $4 million for information leading to the whereabouts of El Chapo,

Joaquin Guzman.


GORANI: A recent photo of Guzman was released as authorities scrambled to find the notorious drug lord. There it is. Guzman escaped from prison

through a tunnel on Saturday.


GORANI: All right, let's cross over to Almoloya de Juarez where Guzman made that escape; CNN's Nick Valencia joins me live with more on the

manhunt. Hi Nick.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey there Hala. More than 30 prison officials have been brought into questioning as part of this



VALENCIA: We've been speaking to locals as well as some officers on background and they are, make no mistake about it, they think that somebody

inside that prison helped El Chapo get out. This was seemingly planned in front of prison officials, federal police officers, as well as the military

which has a headquarters nearby.

El Chapo was monitored by 24 hour seven days a week surveillance but there was problems with that surveillance system. Two blind spots that he

evidently took advantage of. He was also wearing a bracelet that monitored his every move. A bracelet that he ditched before dropping down into that


By all accounts, that tunnel, a magnificent feat of engineering complete with lighting, ventilation system as well as a modified motorcycle which

was presumably used to dig that tunnel.

We've been speaking to (campesino's), farmers in the area who are neighbors essentially of that rural home where El Chapo is said to have emerged and

they said construction on that home started about eight months ago in December. They finished it around February or March but what drew their

suspicions was that individuals stuck around. They continued their work using heavy machinery to turn over that dirt. They think that that machine

- or those machines were used to dig that tunnel.

There is no mistake here a part of the narrative is that the government may have been involved, someway, somehow. Officially though they are denying

that, absolutely, offering a $3.8 million reward for his capture. But when you consider his net worth at one time El Chapo was part of the world's

richest men, Forbes magazine labeled a billionaire, 3.8 million could be pocket change to keep the influence in his favor, Hala.


GORANI: All right, Nick Valencia, thanks very much outside that prison.

While Mexico's scrambling to find El Chapo across the border authorities in the U.S. are fuming. When Guzman was arrested last year the U.S. actually

wanted him extradited over fears that he would escape, and he did escape.

CNN Law Enforcement Analyst Tom Fuentes joins me now live from Washington.

What would the thinking be here among law enforcement authorities in the United States Tom?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Hi, Hala. Basically the thinking would be we told you so, we knew this would happen, it did happen.

But that really doesn't change anything with Mexico's position even if he's recaptured.


FUENTES: Chapo's wanted in something like seven U.S. judicial districts. He's looking at life without parole, possibly the death sentence for

murders committed in connection with drug trafficking. He would definitely go to a U.S. Super Max for the rest of his life and he would not get out.

He would not be able to intimidate guards in that facility, he'd be there for life. He would not be able to run his company, his organization

anymore from that location. So, there's no way he wants to come to that facility.

But there's also no way Mexico wants to give him up. For any number or reasons, and it could be just that he's in a position to give up a lot of

senior officials in the government and they don't want that to happen.


FUENTES: They might actually be happy if he disappears into the Sinaloa.

GORANI: And it's hard to imagine that such a sophisticated escape with the tunnel, with the ventilation, et cetera, that all of that happened without

any inside help, without any knowledge from people in positions of authority. I mean what is your, as a law enforcement expert, what are your

thoughts on that?

FUENTES: Oh everybody agrees with that, there's no question. You have a major construction company come down there and build a tunnel which he is

an expert at tunnel construction because he's built many that tunnel under the U.S. Mexico border to bring drugs into the United States.


FUENTES: So this is nothing new. His capability goes back decades being able to build sophisticated tunnels. But to be able to have a tunnel go

one mile underground and then come up right at his shower in his cell is obviously no lucky break on their part, they had blueprints, the engineers

had blueprints to the facility, to the prison. They were able to engineer it to come right up for him to get out, if he did take that way out.

Many think that he might have just walked out the front door in spite of having this great tunnel. So, there's a lot of you know speculation about

how many people at that prison may have been involved or higher government officials than the prison.

[15:20:14] GORANI: That is - those are open questions.


GORANI: What about the manhunt? Where do you even begin here.

FUENTES: Well I think they'll begin like last time.


FUENTES: That he more than likely went back to his home state where he has the most protection, the most support, he's almost beloved in the state of

Sinaloa. And people that don't love him certainly are afraid enough of him and the safety of their families that they probably would not give him up

even if they could.

But he's probably back in his home state. He's not going to come to the United States where his capture means the end of his freedom forever. And

he probably is not - I don't think he's going to go to a neighboring country either because they might send him to the United States.

GORANI: All right so he's going to find a - have to find a way. Well, the first time he escaped it took years for authorities to find him again.


GORANI: We'll see if they have any luck this time. Tom Fuentes, thanks very much from Washington joining us .

FUENTES: Thank you, Hala.

GORANI: . on the El Chapo escape. Thank you.


GORANI: We'll update you on the Greek debt crisis next. I'll speak to the mayor of Athens as the Prime Minister tries to shore up support before

Wednesday's crucial parliament vote.




GORANI: Just one day after agreeing to a bailout deal with the Eurozone the Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, is back negotiating.


GORANI: This time he has spent the day attempting to gather support with Members of Parliament for the agreement. The legislation has been

submitted to parliament, law makers will have to vote on it tomorrow.

Meanwhile in the last few minutes Mr. Tsipras has been on Greek television. Listen to what he had to say.

ALEXIS TSIPRAS, GREEK PRIME MINISTER: (As translated) Today I would like to say only the truth. I am speaking the language of truth and I don't

wish to make anything rosy.

Yesterday or the day before yesterday, the night, was a very bad night for Europe. It was not a night which the Europeans will remember in the future

considering that steps were made to return Europe to a conservative road. And not just one of solidarity.

The Summit of 19 of the Eurogroup was a result of tremendous pressure on a country which had expressed itself in a democratic way in order to approach

its wishes of the most powerful economies in Europe. Under affixiating fiscal conditions we went to the table, we had the bailout with these

conditions or (inaudible) the exit, a Grexit.


GORANI: Alexis Tsipras. While the politicians prepared a debate, the bailout proposals on the streets there is little change. The banks are

still closed, limited money is available.

I'm joined now from Athens by the city's mayor, Giorgos Kaminis. Thanks Mr. Mayor for joining us.

First of all I have an opportunity to ask you for your reaction to the deal that the government of Alexis Tsipras accepted from the creditors. Do you

think it's a good deal for your country?

[15:25:05] GIORGOS KAMINIS, MAYOR OF ATHENS: Well, of course it's not a good deal for the country but we didn't have any other options because the

other option was a Grexit.

So we have to do to see what we are going to do with this deal and I think that we have to see the positive aspect. That is very important. We have

to undertake very important reforms that during those last five years we didn't do.


KAMINIS: And that is the reason why we had all those cut downs in pensions and in the salaries. All those parametric measures that the successive

government had to take. Why? Because they didn't undertake the reforms necessary. So it's a new opportunity and maybe the last.

GORANI: But let me ask you then, what do you make of Alexis Tsipras' decision to hold a referendum to reject a proposal before the referendum

that was very similar, some would say even softer than the deal Greece was forced to accept in the end. Do you think that was the right strategy for

the country?

KAMINIS: No I don't think, and the message you know we had already said this during the campaign that the result of no, that a vote for no, would

be interpreted by the lenders, by the European institutions as a no to the Eurozone and to the European perspective of the country.

So it was - the position of the country was worse the next day of the referendum.


KAMINIS: It was a total disaster. I think even though the Prime Minister won the referendum but we see that he put himself in a very, very difficult

position with his referendum.

GORANI: Yes and because essentially by a landslide Greeks voted no to the previous bailout deals that perhaps would have been easier for the country

to stomach. So what happens now do you think for Greece? Are you - are you hopeful right now?

KAMINIS: Well we have to be hopeful because at last the government, even if they want it or not, we are obliged to have a majority now in the

parliament and the Prime Minister will find easily this majority to vote the reforms in two days that we didn't do for the last five years.

So that is the positive result. And we have to explain to the people clearly what has happened during those five years because the people have

not understood. Because no-one from the big parties, political parties has explained to the people what has happened and we asked them to take the

reforms and finally see what has happened to the country those last decades because we have lived above our means, we've produced very few things, we

were living by loans, and this - must come to an end. We must make a fresh start. And even this bad agreement must be the fresh start.

GORANI: You say Greece produces very few things but one of its most important industry is of course is tourism. You are the mayor of Athens.

How much has your city suffered just in the last few weeks from this crisis in terms of visitors, tourism, and money from abroad.

KAMINIS: Unfortunately it has suffered a lot. And that is you know, it's an irony, it's very said because all the forecasts for this summer were

wonderful, we were going to have record of all times in tourism.


KAMINIS: Because Athens has become a very, very attractive city. Athens is a wonderful city to visit because we have everything. We have climate,

we have good food, we have archeological sites, wonderful museums, the seas near the coast, even the islands of excursions of one day. So we lost the

opportunity this year but OK we are looking forward for the next year.

Athens has all you know the advantages to become the most important tourist destination of eastern Mediterranean.


GORANI: Well, regardless of anyone's opinion on this deal and of the management of the economy, everyone of course hopes that things will get

back to normal for ordinary Greeks and back to normal for Athens as well in terms of tourism and everything that's important for your city.

Giorgos Kaminis, the Mayor of Athens, thanks very much for joining us this evening.

KAMINIS: You're welcome.

GORANI: The latest world news headlines are just ahead.


GORANI: Plus big smiles after Iran and six world powers finally strike a deal on the nuclear program of Tehran. But some of Iran's neighbors are

not smiling at all, we'll explain.

Plus he will - he will rock you. And the British tradition of fox hunting or (inaudible). Queen guitarist, Brian May joins me live to explain why he

is so fiercefully opposed to the practice.




GORANI: Today is being called an historic day by parties on both sides of the Iran nuclear deal. Our top story this hour, the P-5-plus-1 and Iran

announced Tuesday an agreement that they say limits Iran's nuclear activities. It still faces challenges by lawmakers in -- both in Iran and

the United States.

Also, among the other top stories, after reaching a bailout deal with the eurozone, the Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, now has more tough

negotiations, this time trying to shore up support in the Greek parliament for the deal. In the last few minutes, Tsipras has been speaking to Greek

television. Reporters quoting him as saying he signed a deal he does not believe in, but that he is willing to implement it and will assume


And Mexican authorities are offering a reward of nearly $4 million for information on the whereabouts of Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman. At least 34

people have been questioned after the drug lord escaped from a maximum security prison through a tunnel over the weekend.

Now to Bangladesh, where a sickening video showing a 13-year-old boy moments before he was beaten to death has gone viral. In it, you can see

the boy begging for mercy. And as a warning, you may find images in the next report disturbing.

Andrew Stevens has more.


ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Thousands of people in Bangladesh are demanding justice for a 13-year-old boy who was tortured and

lynched by a group of men who recorded it and posted the video online.

The boy's name was Rajon. He was suspected of stealing a rickshaw van. This is part of the 28 minute video that we can show you, Rajon's terrified

and crying, tied to a pole outside a train station in the northeastern city of Sylhet. His attackers can be heard taunting and laughing at him,

denying his pleas for water.

They're seen beating him with an iron rod. One of his attackers can be heard saying he will post the video on Facebook.

The video has, indeed, gone viral, and has sparked outrage. Protesters have taken to the streets in the capital of Dhaka to demonstrate against

the killing.

And the hash tag, #justiceforrajon has received nearly 1,000 Tweets and it's still growing.

Police currently have three men in custody, including a suspect who was found in Saudi Arabia.


The state minister for home affairs tells CNN police have been instructed to be tough against the killers.

CNN reached Rajon's father by telephone. He says he, too, wants justice for his son. But he says, he fears reprisals from the killers against

himself and his family.

"They are powerful, but I'm not," he says. "They can do anything. Now, I'm scared for my life."

Protesters in Bangladesh say this incident has exposed the poor criminal justice system in the country. One prominent human rights group says at

least 60 people have been lynched in Bangladesh in the past six months.

Andrew Stevens, CNN, Hong Kong.


GORANI: Hard to believe.

More now on the paradigm shift between the West and Iran. The monumental deal reduces Iran's centrifuges by two thirds. It caps uranium enrichment

at 3.67 percent in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. The technical limit there that is supposed to limit Iran's ability to develop a nuclear


The U.S. estimates the new measures will slow Iran's ability to build a bomb from a few months to at least one year. The Iranian foreign minister

says the deal is mutually beneficial.



MOHAMMED JAVAD ZARIF, FOREIGN MINISTER OF IRAN: I think we adopted a good decision. I think it's good for all. It's now time to implement it. But

more -- more importantly than that, if you want to make history today, this has to be the foundation of the seeding for building on something that can,

in fact, break a several year old misperception, unnecessary crisis, so that we can deal with the real crises that are affecting all of us.


GORANI: That was the Iranian foreign minister.

As expected, Israel is reacting very differently.

Just moments ago, the cabinet unanimously rejected the deal. The minister of education says Israel will take all steps necessary to protect itself.


NAFTALI BENNETT, ISRAEL EDUCATION MINISTER: This is a -- a new era, a new dark and sinister era for the world. We have to understand this. And 20

years down, if a nuclear bomb explodes in London or New York, we'll know that we can trace it down to July 14th, 2015.

Israel always said that we will prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and we will still do that. We stand behind these words. We're

preparing for everything we need to do in order to defend ourselves.


GORANI: Well, it's not often that Israel and Saudi Arabia are on the same page, but on this one, they are.

Other Middle Eastern countries are expressing some concerns. A Saudi source told CNN the agreement is essentially a charade and that the U.S.

has made a, quote, "monumental historical miscalculation."

Becky Anderson has more on the unease across the region.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe this is a historic moment.

BECKY ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This moment, long in the making, ricocheted around the region. Israel also called it historic -- an

historic mistake.

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: (through translation): In all areas meant to prevent Iran from arming itself with nuclear weapons,

excessive concessions have been made.

ANDERSON: The state, widely thought to have an estimated nuclear arsenal of at least 80 warheads, though Israel will not confirm or deny a nuclear

program, has been a fierce critic of talks with Iran.

But other Middle Eastern states are just as rattled, none more so than Saudi Arabia.

(on camera): The conservative Sunni regime has been suspicious of Iran's conservative Shiite regime since the Islamic Revolution in 1979. But the

Arab-Persian rivalry is centuries old. And its modern manifestation is a rash of regional proxy wars from Syria to Lebanon to Yemen.

(voice-over): Other Arab nations are watching carefully.

Speaking to CNN back in May, Jordan's King Abdullah said any agreement would be the beginning of a long dialogue with Tehran.

KING ABDULLAH, JORDAN: I hope that that opens the door where there are discussions on many other issues that need to be discussed with Iran that

reflect challenges in the region, so it's just -- not just a nuclear issue.

ANDERSON: There's also expectations in other domains. As sanctions are lifted, Iran is an almost virgin market, with plenty of opportunity for

regional investors who are waiting in the wings.

SAIEM AL ISMADY, SPECIAL ENVOY, GOVERNMENT OF OMAN: Among the countries that have the highest bilateral trade in the region are the ones that have

the least political relationship with Iran in the region. Therefore, the businessmen know where to make their bucks. And I'm sure they're ready.

ANDERSON: Politically, though, regional unease at this deal is palpable. Previous American attempts to placate Gulf States fell flat. The summit

for leaders in May was attended by just two heads of state, along with other ministers -- a measure of how much the U.S. still has to do to sell

it to the region.


Becky Anderson, CNN, Abu Dhabi.


GORANI: Now, even the U.S. president admits that there are risks inherent in the process. Let's gauge the real level of concern and reaction, as

well, from a veteran diplomat.

Richard Dalton is a former British ambassador to Iran and he joins me now.

Thank you, sir, for being with us.

Initial reaction.

RICHARD DALTON, FORMER U.K. AMBASSADOR TO IRAN AND LIBYA: The risks of implementing this agreement are a very great deal less than the risks of

walking away from the negotiations, not having the intense supervision of Iran's program, not having the limitation of Iran's program, not having it

eliminate its stocks of enrich uranium, not having it change the simplification of its plutonium-producing, heavy water moderated reactor.

The list goes on and on.


DALTON: Wise countries use arms control agreements to buttress their security while not lowering their guard and not giving away their

capability of using both economic and military pressures if a situation requires it.

GORANI: Now, as you well know, in the United States, Republicans are unhappy with the deal. They say this is not a verifiable agreement, that

it gives Iran several days, if not weeks, to object to any inspections if there is suspicion that they are not abiding by the terms of the agreement.

How do you respond to that type of criticism?

DALTON: Iran has agreed to the gold standard of international inspection of nuclear facilities through its eventual ratification of the additional

protocol to its safeguards agreement. That is what we are all subject to, those countries that behave well in the world.

Moreover, they have agreed to allow managed access to military facilities and a system of arbitration to insure, given their distrust for the way

they've been treated in the past, that there are genuine suspicions for going to particular military sites.

This is a tough inspections regime...

GORANI: Right.

DALTON: It's a tough settlement for Iran. They have made deep concessions.

GORANI: So you think on that, that this agreement is solid.

What about the fact that the lifting of sanctions, of course, is going to lead to Iran collecting and raising more revenue for oil sales on the

international market, which will put it in a position to finance some of its military proxy involvements in the region. I'm talking, of course,

about Syria, about Yemen, about Hezbollah in Lebanon.

DALTON: Yes, they will...

GORANI: Therefore further destabilizing the region.

DALTON: There will be more funds in the Iranian economy. There will be nothing like the level of fund in the Iranian economy that we had during

the era of President Ahmadinejad. Moreover, America and Iran are on the same side when it comes to combating Islamic State.

GORANI: Right.

DALTON: They're on the same side as Saudi Arabia. So remember, too, that Iran's public finances are a wreck. They need to restore the balance

between their revenue and their expenditure, to resume subsidy payments where they are justified, to do salary increases, to resume capital

expenditure. There's a whole host of problems in their economy to spend that money on.

GORANI: So you don't think it will further destabilize a region that is already extremely volatile?

DALTON: I think Iran and Saudi Arabia and other countries, to a degree, are locked in a system of interstate cooperation -- of contestation, of

competition and rivalry in which all states use different branches of power available to them.

Saudi Arabia used massive subsidies and arms transfers. Iran does the same.

The way forward is not to demonize Iran, that is totally counter- productive, but on the basis of this opportunity to reduce tensions, to establish serious lines of diplomatic communication across lines of enmity,

to involve Iran, while remaining, as President Obama has said countless times, watchful and ready to react if Iran's behavior worsens


GORANI: Thank you very much, Richard Dalton.

An endorsement there of the deal, the process that led to it, as well.

Thanks for your time this evening.

We really appreciate it.

DALTON: Thank you very much.

GORANI: We're going to take a quick break.

When we come back, for some, it's an ancient sport, it's a tradition. For others, fox hunting is brutal and inhumane. Famed Queen guitarist Brian

May is opposed to the practice vehemently and here's my guest after the break.



GORANI: Controversy and tradition both synonymous with fox hunting in the United Kingdom. For those of you unfamiliar with the practice, now it was

banned in 2005. But this is video from before then, giving you a sense of -- of how it unfolded. Horsemen let loose, hunting dogs to track down a

fox. It's an image many people are familiar with.

Dogs are supposed to flush out a target, allowing the followers to shoot it. Now, opponents say dogs actually rip foxes' limb from limb and since

2005, the law only allows for two dogs to flush out a fox for pest control purposes.

Some who call this traditional event barbaric protested in front of parliament today. They are against a proposal put forward by Conservative

lawmakers to ease the restrictions now in place. A power play by Scottish MPs forced the Conservatives to postpone that vote to avoid a political


Now, rock and roll fans will recognize one famous face in the opposition camp, Queen guitarist Brian May lends his celebrity to the anti-hunt cause.

Brian May was at today's protest in front of parliament and he joins me now live.


GORANI: Hello.

You consider this a victory for the anti-fox hunting groups.

MAY: It's a small victory. I mean we're sitting in a -- in a time now where foxes could have been in a situation where they had no protection

whatsoever. Really, that's what this is. It was a very sneaky bit of -- of attempted modification to a law. And recently, David Cameron -- I mean

David Cameron has been promising for six years or more to repeal or to have a free vote on repealing the Hunting Act, which would take away all the

protection that we have for wild animals.

He realized that he wasn't going to get away with it, so they put through this strange little amendment. And then today, he decided he couldn't win

that, either. So he backed off.

GORANI: Well, the Scottish MPs said they would vote...

MAY: Well...

GORANI: -- in tandem with the Labour MPs.

MAY: -- it wasn't just the...


MAY: Yes, it wasn't just the Scottish MPs. We have a lot of Conservatives with us, as well. We actually would have won, I think, without the SMP.

But it's great that the SMP (ph) came along.

GORANI: And what would the -- what was up for discussion was allowing more dogs than a couple of dogs, you know...

MAY: Yes, which is a sneaky way into having full packs of dogs roaming the countryside. And who can say whether they're going to flush out a fox or

whether they're going to just tear it apart in the traditional manner?

GORANI: Why are you so passionate about this cause in particular?

MAY: I hate cruelty. I hate injustice. And I think we treat animals appallingly on the whole on this planet. And I think they deserve respect.

I think every individual animal deserves respect. It's not just about ecology, it's not just about numbers, it's about treating an animal as an

animal deserves to be treated.

GORANI: And you're so passionate, in fact, on the BBC, you were in part of a debate with someone who represents the group of a -- the pressure group

that is pro-fox hunting or pro this chant. Uncalled them essentially lying bees. I'm not going to say it on TV.

MAY: Lying bastards.


MAY: Yes.

GORANI: Yes, bastures.


GORANI: What -- but really...

MAY: Yes, I just...

GORANI: -- you were upset. I mean I could tell you were just really getting...

MAY: Yes, I was upset.

GORANI: -- upset.

MAY: Yes, I don't often get upset, you know. You know, and I think we're fairly moderate in the way we campaign and we're known for that. But I

find it very frustrating when people actually lie about things. I mean they were pretending that this was about helping farmers to -- to control

pests and it isn't.

Fox hunters breed the foxes so that they can keep hunting them. It's incredible.

So how can they pretend that this is about control of pests?

GORANI: The pro-fox hunting groups -- and I have their arguments laid out here -- they're considered vermin legally in England...

MAY: No, they're not.

GORANI: -- and Wales...

MAY: No, actually, that's not true.

GORANI: -- that they cause economic damage to farmers, that foxes are killed quickly...


GORANI: -- within a few seconds.

MAY: All -- all false claims, yes. They're not killed quickly. We have so much footage of foxes being torn apart limb from limb while they're

still alive, being disemboweled by these packs of dogs.


It's brutal. It's -- it's not something which has a place in the 21st century.

GORANI: So I asked you why this particular cause.

What about other -- because I know you're a vegetarian.

MAY: It's not just this. No, it's not just...


MAY: -- I mean we -- we try to protect the badgers, as well, who are being culled for very dodgy reasons. And it's about really all animals. But

real wild animals, I guess. You know, we've -- we've become very good in - - in the U.K. at telling other people what to do, you know, you shouldn't - - you should be protecting your rhinos in Africa, you know, you should be protecting the tiger in India.

But we have wild animals all around us who deserve our respect, because...

GORANI: Thank you.

MAY: -- they were here before we were.

GORANI: By the way, I was surprised to see foxes roam freely in London.

MAY: Yes, they do. (INAUDIBLE)...

GORANI: I thought it was a cat when I saw one -- when I first moved back to London and I was -- I was like hey, kitty, kitty. And then I realized

what it was and I kind of took a step back, because they're wild animals.

MAY: Well, they won't hurt you.


MAY: I mean, indeed, they won't.


MAY: Yes. And mostly, they will be seen off by cats.


MAY: They're really afraid of cats. They're mostly quite timid animals.


MAY: But they are rather catlike. It's interesting, they're of the dog family and their genome is almost indistinguishable from our domestic dogs.

But they are kind of catlike in their behavior.

GORANI: Now, beyond being the legend that you are -- and, by the way, I was telling you in the commercial break just what a thrill it is for me to

meet you, having listened to Queen songs and music my entire life.

MAY: Thank you.

GORANI: Beyond that, you are also a doctor, but you have a PhD in astrophysics.

MAY: Indeed.

GORANI: Many people might not know that.

MAY: Yes. In this country, they know it probably. In America, not so much. Yes. That's what I was trained to do -- to be. I was trained to be

an astrophysicist. And I did the -- the physics degree. I did post- graduate four years and then I went off and did some other stuff with like music and stuff, which you might have heard of.

And then 30 years later, I came back and finished off the PhD. So I am a doctor and astrophysicist.

GORANI: And Pluto is in the news today.

MAY: Pluto is -- I think it's a great thing. You know, the New Horizons probe, I've been in touch with these people and I'm going to go and visit

them tomorrow and sit with them and help, hopefully, you know, in my small way, you know, and look at some of this data. It's incredibly exciting


GORANI: I was going to ask you about the music, as well. Adam Lambert, and I -- I remember sort of casually watching "American Idol" back when

Adam Lambert was on it...

MAY: Yes.

GORANI: -- and immediately thinking, of course, Freddie Mercury is my favorite rock voice in the world -- but immediately thinking to myself,

here's a guy who's got something. And you guys performed together with Adam Lambert.

MAY: We do now. Yes. He's incredible. It's funny, we didn't look for him, you know, and I don't think we would have found someone if we'd sort

of gone out and looked. He's a voice in a billion and an incredible performer and a very nice guy, you know. So it's been great. I mean he's

a phenomenon. Adam Lambert is like a new Elvis, you know. He...

GORANI: He -- he is absolutely amazing.


GORANI: Any plans to record anything with him (INAUDIBLE)?

MAY: We have talked about it. We haven't made any plans yet. Adam is busy. He has his own recording career and that's right and proper. And,

you know, we're -- we're old guys now, you know. We've got (INAUDIBLE).

Well, having said that, I -- you know, I've probably worked more (INAUDIBLE) worked. But it's possible. It's possible.

GORANI: I was going to say, you're still out there entertaining us all.

And thanks very much, Brian May, for being with us.

MAY: Thank you.

GORANI: We really appreciate you coming in.

MAY: Thanks, Hala.

GORANI: A quick break.

We'll be right back.


GORANI: Acclaimed American author Harper Lee's second book, "Go Set a Watchman" is flying off the shelves. But there is, as we've been

reporting, some controversy over a surprising twist of a beloved character.

Here's CNN's Ed Lavandera.


ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Harper Lee's hometown never expected to see a moment like this -- a midnight release party for the

newly released novel from Monroeville, Alabama's most famous resident. Around here, she's known simply as Nell.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got the first copy.


LAVANDERA: And her hometown is in a frenzy over "Go Set a Watchman."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I came down here, I've driven nine hours just to come get this book here.

I can't wait to get home and begin reading this.

LAVANDERA: Monroeville is a town of about 6,000 people and in Old Curiosities and Book Shop, they've already taken more than 7,000 book


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You had ordered 14 copies before this and they're ordering four more.

LAVANDERA: Book shop owner Ann Motes says she's never experienced anything like this and says Lee's friends tell her the reclusive author is thrilled

to see the book published.

ANN MOTE, CO-OWNER OF OF CURIOSITIES & BOOK SHOPPE: She just received her book last week. She's very excited about, you know, sharing this with us.


GREGORY PECK, ACTOR: In our courts, all men are created equal.

LAVANDERA: The new novel casts Atticus Finch, one of Lee's most beloved characters from "To Kill A Mockingbird" and portrayed in the movie by

Gregory Peck in a more sinister light, a bigot and segregationist.

It's a twist that has Bunny Hines Nobles, the Monroe County librarian, a little nervous.

BUNNY HINES NOBLES, MONROE COUNTY LIBRARIAN: I'm really kind of surprised. But then this is a different time and this is a different book.

LAVANDERA: As the fanfare flares around Monroeville, Harper Lee quietly spends her days at this assisted living center with guards on the front

porch keeping away reporters and anyone trying to contact the legendary writer.

And the release of "Go Set a Watchman" has many worried that the elderly writer was manipulated into publishing this book that was originally

rejected by her editor more than 50 years ago.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It kind of makes you question, is this actually Miss. Harper Lee's intentions or someone else?

LAVANDERA: But despite the controversy, Nell Harper Lee remains the beloved mockingbird of Monroeville.

Ed Lavandera, CNN, Monroeville, Alabama.



I'm Hala Gorani.