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Shootings in Tennessee; Israel Pushed Back against Iran Deal; Greek Interim Loan Approved; Migrant Issue in Europe; Caitlyn Jerner at the ESPYs; Ukraine Situation Update

Aired July 16, 2015 - 15:00:00   ET


[15:00:18]: HALA GORANI, HOST: Tonight, a shooting in the United States targets a naval reserve center in Tennessee.


GORANI: Details are still emerging but officials say three people were killed and the suspect is dead. We will have the very latest for you live.

Later this hour - debating the deal. Israel pushes back as the U.S. urges the international community to accept its nuclear agreement with Iran.

Plus Greece gets a lifeline. An interim loan is approved. We're live in Athens for reaction.

And this hour seeing Europe's migrant crisis first hand. Walking Dead actor, David Morrissey witnessed a plight of migrants in the Mediterranean.

He will join me to tell their stories.


GORANI: Hello everyone, I'm Hala Gorani, we're live at CNN London and this is the World Right Now.

All right we begin tonight in the U.S. state of Tennessee and there is a news conference being held right now by authorities there with more on two

shooting incidents in Chattanooga. Let's listen in.


ANDY BERKE, MAYOR of CHATTANOOGA: They responded. They were amazing in what they did and we know of no active issues right now. We do know that

we have four individuals who were killed who are victims. We know that the shooter was killed at the scene as well.

Also one Chattanooga Police Officer was shot in the ankle and is being treated very well at Erlanger. As well as there were some other

individuals who were shot and have also been treated?

I want to say again it is incomprehensible to see what happened and the way that individuals who proudly serve our country were treated. Two difficult

locations this individual went to and as a City we will respond to this with every available resource that we have.

I have behind me individuals from the FBI, the ATF, Hamilton County, Chattanooga Police Department, The U.S. Attorney, every single resource

that we can summon. This is as I said a nightmare for the city of Chattanooga one to which we will respond.

With that I'll give .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very quick question - was (inaudible) including the shooter or was that a fifth person?

BERKE: That's a fifth person.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you Mr. Mayor.

CHIEF FRED FLETCHER, CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE POLICE: The Mayor shared all the details of the incident and the investigation that we're prepared to

share right now. I would like to echo his apology for taking a while to get to you all. Our primary concern was the welfare of our community,

checking on our officers, and making sure that we coordinated with our partners from the county, the state and the Federal Government.

What we do know is that somebody brutally and brazenly attacked members of our armed services in the offices of the Chattanooga Police Department and

the Hamilton County Sherriff's office responded immediately and they were able to make sure that no further loss of life happened.

I'm extremely proud of them and the community of Chattanooga for making sure that we responded in a timely and a courageous manor.

Thank you.

BILL KILLIAN, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE: I'm Bill Killian, the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of

Tennessee. This is a sad day for the United States. These service members served their country with pride and they have been the victims of these

shootings. We are conducting this as an act of domestic terrorism.

The FBI is now in charge of this investigation and I will turn over when I get through to the Special Agent in charge, Ed Reinhold, to discuss with

you what he can and what he will about this ongoing investigation.

I have nothing but praise and admiration and congratulations to the City of Chattanooga Police Department and the Hamilton County Sherriff's Department

for their quick and effective and efficient response.

We have a combined federal state and local investigation. We cannot and will not share facts of that investigation with you.

[15:05:03] KILLIAN: At such time that we can admit certain facts or present certain facts and evidence to you we will. That investigation will

be a joint one with ATF Coordinating, ATF - I'm sorry with FBI coordinating, with ATF, Homeland Security, Tennessee's Department of

Homeland Security, Chattanooga Police Department and others.

Again, we are treating this as an act of domestic terrorism. Ed?

GORANI: All right, there you heard from authorities in Tennessee treating these incidents, two separate shootings as an act of domestic terrorism.

We understood there from the Mayor that four individuals were killed. The shooter according to authorities targeted a recruitment center, a military

recruitment center as well as a naval reserve site in Chattanooga Tennessee. We saw some of those dramatic images in that strip mall where

the recruitment centers were located with evidence markets, where bullet casings were being identified. At least a dozen shots from a high powered

rifle according to witnesses there riddling the glass doors of the recruitment center there.

Our Evan Perez has been listening to this news conference and authorities there are saying essentially the FBI are now in charge, this is being

treated as domestic terrorism, Evan.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: That's right. The - this becomes automatically the responsibility of the FBI to handle simply

because we're talking about a - two military facilities that were attacked in this - in this series of shootings there in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

What we know now is that there were five people in all that are dead including the shooter. There were a lot of rumors early on including from

some of the witnesses who thought that there might have been a second shooter; that happens often in these types of situations and we've been

waiting for the city officials there to clarify. So now we know that five are dead and we're talking about two military facilities.

Now the question now turns to is exactly why this happened. By calling it domestic terrorism suggests that they don't believe, the investigators

don't believe that there's any link to international terrorism. And of course at the top of everybody's mind is ISIS and some of the Al Qaeda

affiliates that have been wanting to carry out attacks here in the United States.

Over the last few months there have been a number of warnings and a lot of alerts that have been issued about the possibility of attack against U.S.

Military facilities both here and around the world and so that was of course the first thing that occurred to everyone to try to make sure they

could cross it off their list. We were told earlier that they thought it was not related to that but what this investigator - what the U.S. Attorney

there just said is that they're treating this as an act of domestic terrorism.

We've got to find out now whether or not there were any specific threats made against these facilities. Whether this shooter had given any

indication of any plans and whether or not there's anybody else who knew about this or perhaps assisted in any way. We know the FBI's now carrying

out some search - searches of some locations there to try to see if they could help explain what happened here.

GORANI: Now we know that here in this case the suspected shooter was killed, presumably by law enforcement. Some witnesses there in that strip

mall area where the recruitment center is located spoke to CNN. What did they say that they saw today?

PEREZ: Well they saw a very chaotic scene with a shooter who pulled up in a car and raised his hand with a long rifle, with a long gun and started -

and opened fire, started shooting. And clearly the shooter was aiming only at these two military officers. He wasn't trying to strike anybody else or

any other locations. There were other - this is a strip mall as you just described so there are other businesses right there alongside. He was only

aiming at these military facilities. So that indicates that there is definitely a motivation there against the U.S. military. What that is is

now the question that investigators are trying to solve.

We know that he sped off after he was - after he carried out the shooting. And at some point was shot and killed. We don't know whether it was self-

inflicted or whether police were able to kill him. Those are the questions now that we're waiting to hear from the authorities.

GORANI: And the authorities are saying this is all they're prepared to share at this time. Evan Perez our justice correspondent in Washington

following this developing story. What we do know is that the shooting incident has come to a close.


[15:10:00] GORANI: An incident really that ended in the death according to authorities, the death of four individuals. The shooter as well killed

as Evan was mentioning there. We're not sure if law enforcement was - in fact if he was killed by law enforcement or whether it was self-inflicted.

We'll learn more certainly over the coming hours with more developments coming out of Chattanooga. We'll keep an eye on that story for you in the

United States.

Back internationally outside the U.S. the hard sell on the Iran nuclear deal is in full swing but the more supporters press their case the more

Israel is making clear that it's simply not having it.


GORANI: The New York Times is reporting the Obama Administration is trying to ease Israel's security concerns by offering more military aid. But

Israel doesn't even want to talk about that right now. It is still doing battle trying to convince the U.S. Congress to reject the agreement.

The Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, says a country with Iran's track record does not deserve any deal or any concessions.

He spoke today in Jerusalem alongside Britain's Foreign Secretary drawing a rather sharp response, listen.

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAEL PRIME MINISTER: It cannot be that an unreformed, unrepentant Iran that seeks continuously to wipe us off the

map, dispatches killers to kill our people, and not only our people, neighboring states as well, who share our concern is given the sanctions

relief, is given the removal of limitations on its nuclear program without changing its genocidal policies against Israel, its terrorist activities in

the region and beyond the region. Its commitment to supporting the Islamic revolution throughout the world.

PHILIP HAMMOND, BRITAIN'S FOREIGN SECRETARY: We have always been clear that this deal was about the nuclear file, the sanctions regime is around

Iran's illegal nuclear activities. And those demonstrations you refer to we also heard chants of death to America and death to Britain.

We will judge Iran not by the chants of the crowds on the streets of Tehran, but by the actions of its government and their agents around the



GORANI: A tense exchange there. You could sense the body language there. Very different views really on a deal meant to stop Iran building a nuclear


Let's get more now from Erin McLaughlin live in Jerusalem with more on the atmosphere between the two men. Hi, Erin.

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Hala, that's right. As you saw there the contrast between the viewpoints of these two world

leaders could not be more stark. On the one hand you have the Israeli Prime Minister who's called this deal a historic mistake.


MCLAUGHLIN: On the other hand you have the British Foreign Secretary who called the deal a victory for diplomacy. So it resulted when they appeared

in the same room before the world's media what was a very tense exchange. Take a listen.

HAMMOND: We look forward to cooperating with you in ensuring that we can successfully implement this agreement and then continue to work to present

Iranian destabilization in the region. Thank you.

NETANYAHU: You want another bounce of the ball?

HAMMOND: Go on. Prime Minister, I know you're going to have the last word anyway so you may as well go on .


NETANYAHU: On the contrary it's for us. Whether in fact what we'll get is more terrorism, more aggression, more subversion rather than the opposite.

Would you like to continue?



MCLAUGHLIN: The British Foreign Secretary is the first leader from the P5+1 to visit Israel since the nuclear deal was announced just yesterday.

Hammond speaking before a British Parliament saying that there was no deal that Israel would have accepted. Today British Prime Minister Netanyahu

taking the opportunity to set the record straight on that. He said that what Israel wants is a better deal and he was specific about that. He said

that he wants sanctions to be lifted after Iran changes his behavior, those were his words.

So we're seeing two very different viewpoints. Secretary Hammond saying that the focus of the P5+1 right now is on implementing this deal but

clearly another focus is trying to sway public opinion and that's what we're seeing both sides do today in that press opportunity.

GORANI: All right, thanks. Erin McLaughlin is live in Jerusalem. Speaking of the Iran nuclear deal, Saudi Arabia is another critic. The

Sunni kingdom of course is an arch rival of Shia Iran.


GORANI: The Saudi Foreign Minister is now warning Iran not to use the billions of dollars in sanctions relief to "cause mischief in the region."


GORANI: Adel Al-Jubier met with the American Secretary of State, John Kerry, today in Washington. I got more of the Saudi perspective from the

country's ambassador to the United Nations.


ABDALLAH Y. AL-MOUALLIMI, SAUDI AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS: We take assurances that had been given to us by all parties at face value and we

accept them for the time being as being sufficient grounds to believe that this is a reasonable agreement.

[15:15:15] AL-MOUALLIMI: What is more important in our view is what is going to be the behavior of Iran following the agreement. It would be odd

if Iran reaches a modest vivendi and normalization of relations with the international community but continues to have difficulties in its relations

with its own neighbors. That would be - that would be strange and that would be undesirable.

It would be good if Iran uses this as a new beginning in the region in which there would be the same kind of cooperative approach to resolving

outstanding issues.

GORANI: Yes. Now, I'm sure you heard the Israeli reaction, they are furious. The Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said this was a

stunning historic mistake. His spokesperson Mark Regev, even said on the issue of Iran we are in agreement with our Arab neighbors and regional Arab

countries such as Saudi Arabia.

What do you think of the fact that Israel says it is on the same page as you on this one?

AL-MOUALLIMI: Well we don't speak for Israel and of course we do not want Israel to speak for us. We express our own views, we have issued a

statement on the Iranian international accord and we stand by that statement.

It seems to me that all that Israel is interested in is diverting attention away from its own nuclear program, from its own continued occupation of

Palestinian territory, from the continued siege against Gaza. From the continued persecution of Palestinians in their occupied territories. So I

don't - I don't take these protestations very seriously. I see them more as a diverting tactic away from Israel's own mischiefs and misdeeds.

GORANI: Ambassador let me ask you regionally. So much of what's happened in the Middle East over the last four or five years has been viewed as a

Cold War between your country, Saudi Arabia and Iran via proxy battles. Yeoman for instance is an example.

Do you see this deal as changing any of that? Will it make the situation better or do you think that it potentially could make things worse?

AL-MOUALLIMI: Well I certainly hope it would change things to the better. I would certainly hope that Iran can finally realize that it must be a

respected, and constructive, and positive member of the international community. And that it cannot be such a member if it continues to seek

havoc and disruption; and if it continues to occupy the three islands of the United Arab Emirates; and if it continues to interfere in the internal

affairs of Yeoman, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, and others.

We hope that the Iranian leadership would use this agreement as an opportunity to re-start their approach to international relations and most

importantly to re-start their approach to relations with their own neighbors.

GORANI: Well what about Saudi Arabia in all of this? I mean how do you respond to criticism Saudi Arabia is doing just what you accuse Iran of

doing which is fuelling the sort of Cold War, the Sectarian conflict across the region.

AL-MOUALLIMI: We haven't - we did not start any of these conflicts. We did not start the interference by Iran in Iraq. We did not start the

conflict in Yeoman. In most of these places - in all of these places we have reacted to a situation that developed and we have reacted to requests

by legitimate government in Yeoman for help.

So there is absolutely no comparison and Saudi Arabia is a member of the Arab League. Saudi Arabia is a member of the Gulf Corporation Council.

These are the local regional organizations that are tasked with going after and trying to resolve conflict in the region.

Iran is not. Iran does not belong to the Arab League of Countries, league of states. And therefore Iran is stepping outside its own territory.

GORANI: Well, there you have it. The Saudi Ambassador to the United Nations reacting to the Iran nuclear deal.

Still to come tonight; Greece is breathing a sigh of relief no doubt.


GORANI: It's getting two life lines to pay off its most urgent debts. Details just ahead, we're live in Athens.




[15:22:04] GORANI: Greek banks will keep their doors closed through Sunday. They've been closed now for weeks making life extra difficult for



GORANI: But there are signs that the suffering could ease up soon thanks to two new financial lifelines.

First the European Central Bank it says it will pump emergency cash into the floundering Greek banking system, so that's a relief.

Also Eurozone Finance Ministers approved an interim $7.6 billion loan to help Greece pay its bills in the next few days.

MARIO DRAGHI, EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK PRESIDENT: Our manner is to act based on the assumption that Greece is and will be - is of course and will be a

member of the Euro area.


GORANI: The European Central Bank President, Mario Draghi. The Greek Finance Ministry says the country will begin meeting its promises to

creditors on Monday starting by streamlining the Value Added Tax system. Of course as you know creditors, Greece's creditors demanded some important

reforms, they were voted, they were approved by the Greek Parliament yesterday and that opened the door to this extra cash.

All right, let's update you on our breaking news story this hour and what happened in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Officials are treating a shooting

incident, and we should say two shooting incidents in the U.S. state of Tennessee as an act of domestic terrorism until they determine it was not.


GORANI: The Pentagon says four marines were killed in the attack. You're seeing some of the aftermath images coming to us from a mall where the

recruitment Center is located. Officials say another three people were injured and officials also say there is no reason to believe there was more

than one shooter and that that shooter is dead; which would mean that this is not an unfolding shooting situation anymore with the shooter on the


However, as we were reporting there from the Mayor's office, four individuals killed, four marines. The shooter killed as well, one police

officer injured and other injuries as well.

We're talking here about two separate shootings. One that you see there at a recruitment center facility. A military recruitment center. And also

another one off of Lee Highway at a naval reserve base. According to witnesses the shooter very deliberately targeting military personnel this

leading authorities to treat this as a domestic terrorism incident and investigation.


GORANI: Quick break. We'll be right back on CNN.



[15:26:09 GORANI: Well this has been talked a lot about at the United States and beyond.; Caitlin Jenner has accepted a very prestigious award

for courage from the sports network ESPN.

Now it is her first public speech since identifying as transgender. The 65 year old has been under an intense media spotlight since she started

making a very public transition from Bruce to Caitlin. And as Stephanie Elam reports the Olympian delivered a very powerful message on tolerance.


STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In the world of sports Bruce Jenner made his mark in 1976 winning Gold in the Olympic Decathlon.

ABBY WAMBACH: The courageous, the stunning, Caitlyn Jenner.

ELAM: But at the ESPYs it was Caitlyn Jenner who took center stage as the recipient of the 2015 Arthur Ash award for courage.

CAITLYN JENNER: This transition has been harder on me than anything I could imagine.

ELAM: In her speech Jenner joked about women's fashion.

JENNER: Picking out this outfit; OK girls, I get it.

ELAM: Yet used the spotlight to focus on people who are transgender like her but who live without the protection of fame.

JENNER: If you want to call me names, make jokes, doubt my intentions go ahead because the reality is I can take it. But for the thousands of kids

out there coming to terms with being true to who they are, they shouldn't have to take it.

ELAM: Jenner got emotional when she addressed her family.

JENNER: The biggest fear I probably (inaudible) coming out, is I never wanted to hurt anyone else. Most of all my family and my kids. I always

wanted my children to be so proud of their dad.

ELAM: On the red carpet some of the athletes talked about the focus on Jenner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's amazing. You know life is all about happiness.

JENNIE FINCH: Everyone can choose who they want to be and he has that opportunity.

J.J. REDICK: I certainly knew who he was even prior to the Kardashians, I knew who he was and I'm very happy with what she is doing now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So I think she's definitely stolen the headlines.

ELAM: Stolen headlines about the ESPYS for what Caitlyn's doing, not for what Bruce has done.

JENNER: We're all different; that's not a bad thing.


GORANI: All right, Stephanie Elam, reporting there online all the buzz that story and that speech at the ESPY awards. The latest world news

headlines just ahead.


GORANI: Plus, Russia balks at a request for a criminal tribunal over the crash of flight MH17. We'll tell you how Ukraine is responding.

And we will be speaking to the actor, David Morrissey who's been in Greece helping migrants landing on the coast there and raising awareness. We'll

be right back.




[15:31:20] GORANI: Welcome back. Here's a look at your headlines and our breaking news story this hour.

The District Attorney is treating a shooting incident in the U.S. State of Tennessee as an act of "domestic terrorism" until officials determine that

it was not.


GORANI: The Pentagon is now saying four marines were killed in the attack and officials say another three people were injured including a police

officer. Officials say there is no reason to believe there was more than one shooter and that shooter has been killed.


GORANI: The Obama Administration is trying to ease Israel's security concerns after the Iran nuclear deal.


GORANI: Washington is offering to increase military aid according to the New York Times. But Israel doesn't even want to talk about increased

military aid right now, it's still lobbying actively against the deal in Washington trying to convince the U.S. Congress to reject it.


GORANI: Also among our top stories. Thousands of protestors rallied outside Japan's parliament today after the lower house approved a bill to

allow troops to fight abroad for the first time since World War II.


GORANI: The Bill now goes to the Upper House in Japan but protestors say Japan risks getting embroiled in conflict like the war on ISIS.


GORANI: Former FIFA Vice President, Jeffrey Webb, has arrived in New York. He was extradited from Switzerland.

Webb is the first defendant to return to the United States. He was arrested in Zurich in connection with a sweeping corruption investigation

into FIFA.

The Russian President, Vladimir Putin says the creation of a criminal tribunal around the crash of flight MH17 would be "premature and counter-



GORANI: Friday marks one year since the plane was shot down over Eastern Ukraine. All 298 people on board were killed.

A group of five countries has now requested an international tribunal to prosecute those responsible. A final report from investigators has yet to

be released but a source who has seen the report tells CNN evidence strongly suggest pro-Russia rebels downed the plane.

The Ukrainian President tells our own Christiane Amanpour terrorists shot it down and they need to be held accountable.

PETRO POROSHENKO, UKRANIAN PRESIDENT: It is very bad because after the investigation should be the second stage responsibility. Responsibility of

the terrorist who killing, killing innocent victim in the Malaysian plane. We strongly support the International Criminal Tribunal which should be

adopted by the Security Council of the United Nation.

And we think that the - if anybody wants to stop this process this is - take the responsibility on himself.


GORANI: Petro Poroshenko the President of Ukraine.

It has been five months since a cease fire went into effect in Eastern Ukraine but authorities say the agreement has been violated continuously.

One monitoring group says there are more than 100 violations a day in the region.

Senior International Correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh, has this report from the front lines.


NICK PATON WALSH, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The village of Pisky next to the next ravaged airport 142 days into a cease fire.

Ahead he beckons, moments later they seek cover from separatist gunfire.

This is Ukraine's under-funded arm holding off much better equipped rebels backed by Russia.

[15:35:06] WALSH: Basements of ordinary homes turned shelters, turned homes again.

In a place when often you only get to laugh when it's about fear.

The cameraman, Nolan Peterson spent a week witnessing the bizarre spectacle of trench warfare in 21st century Europe.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open your mouth and it will be too loud.

WALSH: A tiny village fought over inch by inch to get nearer the symbolic Donetsk airport.


WALSH: A regular army taking pot shots at their adversary then running to escape the inevitable reply.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now (inaudible).

WALSH: The truth is here this is much like many of the 141 days of cease fire before it. A stalemate which never grows stale.



WALSH: Night where the dark brings no calm.


WALSH: The question ever louder, when does the war begin again in the open?


GORANI: Nick Paton Walsh reporting there. All right, more breaking news out of the United States. And just into CNN now.


GORANI: A Colorado jury has reached a verdict in the trial of James Holmes. Holmes you may remember is facing charges in a shooting in a movie

theatre in Aurora, Colorado. He opened fire at a midnight screening of a batman film in 2012. He killed 12 people. 70 others were injured. We

will bring you that verdict as soon as it is read and made public.


GORANI: Also some news out of Chattanooga, Tennessee. The District Attorney says that authorities are treating two shooting incidents in the

U.S. state of Tennessee as an act of domestic terrorism until officials determine that it was not that.


GORANI: The Pentagon is now confirming four marines were killed in the attack. Officials say another three people were injured. Also authorities

are telling us there is no reason to believe there was more than one shooter in those two separate incidents and that that shooter is dead.

More on this story as it becomes available as well.


GORANI: A quick break. This is the World Right Now.


GORANI: Fans of the popular T.V. show The Walking Dead will recognize this actor. David Morrissey is using his star power to help migrants who end up

on the Greek coast. I'll speak to him live next.




[15:40:29] GORANI: Welcome back. So of course Greece has been in the news lately because of the debt crisis there and it's desperately trying to

keep its economy afloat. But the country is facing another massive challenge as thousands of migrants wash up on its shores.


GORANI: It's not as reported a story for sure. The United Nations says some 1,000 people arrive in the Greek Islands every single day. 60% of the

refugees are from Syria. Their journey to Greece is extremely dangerous, many die on the way. 68,000 migrants arrived in Greece between January and

June of this year. And according to the United Nations that is a tenfold increase in the last five years.


GORANI: Now CNN has been reporting on the growing crisis for months now. In June our Isa Soares went on a rescue mission with the Greek's

Coastguard. Take a look.\


ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As dawn breaks the challenge at the job at hand is revealed. 10 nautical miles or almost 19 kilometers

of vastness that must be watched closely.

There may only be a six kilometer distance between Turkey and Greece but the journey is still very much a perilous one and for the Hellenic

Coastguard the number one priority is to save lives.

To date no migrant has died on their watch. A point of pride for these coastguards who until recently had been patrolling drunken tourists in the


We are very proud, we feel satisfied with the results he tells me. During 2015 until the end of May more than 5,000 migrants have entered the island

of Kos. And in the last two years there have been 38 arrests for smugglers.

By early morning their overnight efforts are clear for all to see.


GORANI: Well actor David Morrissey is getting involved in the effort to raise awareness.


GORANI: Fans of the television drama, The Walking Dead, will know him as the character The Governor. More recently he's been off the coast of

Greece though helping with the arrival of migrants.

Let's hear more about that and what the trip was like. David Morrissey joins me now live in the studio. Thanks for being with us.


GORANI: So you just returned from Greece what did you see there?

DAVID MORRISSEY: So yes, the situation is appalling at the moment. So I arrived on Monday morning and I travelled from Mytilene which is the

capital of the island of Lesbos and went across the island. And even on that journey going from one shore to the other you could just see hundreds

of people just walking.


MORRISSEY: And then as we travelled down the coastline all the beaches you just see these life jackets that the children are wearing, in the film you

can see.

GORANI: There you are by the way with the (inaudible) t-shirt.


GORANI: And those are kids.

MORRISSEY: Those are young children screaming kids. That boat - particular boat that I'm on, the coastguard boat, this rescue boat where

the Syrian refugees are in, they've been floating for 10 hours. They left the coast of Turkey and they had, you know about half an hour before the

engine gave out and they had no fuel in there. So the people who put them in that boat knew that there was no fuel in there so they just drifted.

GORANI: What struck you the most during this trip?

MORRISSEY: I think when you see children in a desperate situation you know it's going to touch you. And then there's lots of stages to the journey.

You know you see them arriving here. These are the lucky ones `cause they're rescued by the Coastguard. There's other people who are .

GORANI: . he looks maybe two/three years old.

MORRISSEY: Yes, no he's and there's babes in arms, you know. And the other thing you know for me walking along I could see that none of the moms

and dads have pushchairs because they're not allowed to put them in the boat, you know. So it's a desperate situation and here they are arriving.

But then they go to not even camps. I've been to refugee camps in the past. Where these people are are holding pens that the Greek Government

are putting together which are squalor, I mean they are absolutely overrun with you know the sanitation is not adequate. So it's a desperate


GORANI: And David that's a good point to make because also in my reporting and I went to Calais just a few weeks ago, people assume that when migrants

come they are settled in a well-run camp with running water, with electricity. That is not the case. Most of them are squats or holding

camps as you said with absolutely .

MORRISSEY: Well you see the camp here I'm walking in here. I mean this is just a place on the side of the road and this is where all the refugees are

just staying for a while and they don't know what's going on. I mean the great thing about UNHCR when they eventually get to these people is they

are providing translators who can tell them, at least give them some information about what's required of them, what's going to be happening to


But you know it's at the moment it needs a collective European conscience. It needs European governments to come together to help Greece. We had -

it's a perfect storm at the moment with the economic crisis and this crisis happening together.


[15:45:14] GORANI: And it's an effort that many who want to shine a spotlight on this problem are saying it's not coming together.

MORRISSEY: It's not. There isn't a coherent voice from the European Union for this terrible crisis that's happening. And you know we're calling on

that to happen very soon.

GORANI: Well I want to ask you a little bit about the terminology here because we're calling this a migrant crisis and there's a very specific

definition of what a migrant is. It's an economic migrant, it's usually not someone running away from war or persecution whose life is in imminent

danger. In the case of Greece 60% are Syrians you know they're lives are in imminent danger where they are coming.

MORRISSEY: Yes and we've seen the pictures of Syria. We've seen you know it's.

GORANI: But should we call them refugees?

MORRISSEY: They should be refugees. They are refugees they should be termed as refugees. They are carrying passports and papers from Syria.

You can see in their faces that they are fleeing this terrible situation that we have reported on that we have seen. We've seen what the streets of

Syria look like. We've reported on ISIS. These are the very conditions that these people are fleeing.

And it was in our mandate, in the European mandate to look after these people, to provide sanctuary for them and we need to do that.

GORANI: Can I ask you why this cause? I mean

MORRISSEY: What for me?


MORRISSEY: It's a cause that I was asked to get involved in. I mean I was reading the newspapers I was looking at this, it was something I was

feeling wasn't being - leading the news agenda. The economic crisis was leading the news agenda, quite rightly it's a big story.


MORRISSEY: But this is a story that's massive. I would say this is the challenge of our age.

It's something that Europe hasn't faced since the second world war and we really need to step up and face it and really acknowledge what's going on

and I think I'm not seeing it in the news. I'm not seeing it being reported with the seriousness that it needs to be reported.

GORANI: No there's spikes in coverage. I think it depends on whether or not you know there is an instance of many deaths, but you're right I mean

then it just kind of slips away.

MORRISSEY: Well today I mean I - you know coming to the studio I know that one of these boats capsized today and six people have died and there will

be more of that and you know many, many people are injured so.

GORANI: And just to tell our viewers who are watching this and many of them that end up asking on twitter or not how they can contribute.

MORRISSEY: So if you go to the UNHCR website you will see how you can contribute. But I would also add your voice to this campaign. Lobby your

MP's. Make sure that these people aren't you know just being forgotten about. We have to keep them at the forefront of our mind and really

campaign for them.

GORANI: Yes, certainly. Thanks very much, David Morrissey, and thanks for sharing what you saw and what touched you on this trip to Greece. Thank

you very much.


MORRISSEY: Thank you very much, thanks for asking.

GORANI: Now to a rare emotional moment from German Chancellor Angela Merkel. She was speaking at a forum when she was confronted by a

Palestinian teenager whose family was faced with a deportation. Atika Shubert has that story.


ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: German's Chancellor, Angela Merkel, is widely seen as one of the most powerful women in the

world. And on a Wednesday talk show she was explaining why Germany had to limit the number of refugees coming in when she was confronted by a

Palestinian teenage refugee who identified herself as (Reem).

She and her family now face deportation she told the Chancellor in fluent German.


SHUBERT: But when Merkel began to explain her tough political decision (Reem) began to cry, and the Chancellor went to her side sharply

(inaudible) the moderator who tried to interject.

ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: (As translated) I know this is a very difficult situation but I just want to give her a hug now. We don't want

to put you in such a situation because we know how hard this is for you. You have done so well to explain to many, many others of how one can get

into this situation.

SHUBERT: This is a rare, emotional and public moment for Chancellor Angela Merkel. But it is a real and pressing issue for German voters. This year

alone there are projected to be some 400,000 new applications for asylum in Germany. That's more than double the number from last year.

Many arrive in Bavaria, the South of the Country where army barracks, gymnasiums, campsites, even shipping containers have been pressed into

service as temporary homes for refugees.

But none of that makes it any easier for the Chancellor to explain to a teenage refugee why her family can't stay in Germany.

Atika Shubert, CNN.


GORANI: Coming up. You are being watched. Does it bother you?


GORANI: Find out how London Police have angered privacy advocates and whether you would or should be upset.




[15:51:39] GORANI: Welcome back, we want to remind you of the breaking news we've been following all hour.

The District Attorney is treating a shooting incident in Tennessee in the United States as an act of "domestic terrorism" until officials say they

can determine that it was not.


GORANI: The Pentagon says four marines were killed in the attack. There were two separate shootings we understand. Officials say another three

people were injured. You're seeing by the way the scene after one of the shootings. We understand this might have been the first one at a mall,

this is an army and military recruitment center.

Now there's no reason to believe authorities say that there was more than one shooter. The shooter was killed.


GORANI: We will bring you more updates on the identity of the shooter and what more we know about these incidents in Tennessee - in Chattanooga

Tennessee when they become available to us.

Now this story.


GORANI: Privacy advocates are not happy because essentially we are being watched almost all the time in London. Some people associate police

surveillance with public safety, others say it goes hand in hand with privacy invasion.

Now privacy advocates say this tweet is a perfect example of that. Now what do you think this is? Well it is a police helicopter that captured a

photo of a comedian here named Michael McIntyre, he's well known in the U.K.

It was removed. But before it was removed the caption read, this morning we spotted a certain energetic funny man, can you guess who?

One response called it unacceptable and asked if the next picture would be of the queen gardening. I think that would get a few re-tweets.


GORANI: Was this just a simple example of police taking liberties with surveillance or have we entered the age of big brother in earnest? We

asked people in the heart of London how they feel about being under constant surveillance.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: in public you would need it because this Oxford Street is busy, but then when you're more like towards home. I wouldn't mind CCTV

like you walk past the pub and they have their own CCTV but you know public. And plus especially these days I notice the cameras turn on you

and stuff as if its following you so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well I've always felt safe in London I suppose. And I don't mind the closed circuit television at all. The (inaudible) the

better. If you're not doing any crimes or you're not doing anything wrong what's the problem? You don't care do ya?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Police should not be using CCTV footage for their own publicity or community building purposes, it should only be used to

crack crimes.


GORANI: There you have it. Samuel Burke joins me now live from New York to talk about the safety versus privacy debate. And I understand that here

in London at any given moment - I mean I see cameras everywhere but I don't know there's just a very high number of times in one day that we're on

camera in this city.


GORANI: Including - including this one.

BURKE: Yes, including the one we're both looking into by choice when it comes to the news. It's not just a London story, this is a global story.

Even if you don't know who that English comedian is. I looked up the numbers here in New York for instance and in 2005 a study by the New York

Civil Liberties Union found that there are 4,176 cameras in Manhattan just below 14th Street.


BURKE: If you don't know Manhattan that represents just about one sixth of the island on which we live. And the problem that I hear over and over

again from privacy experts is that the technology has got in front - has moved so much faster and has gotten in front of the laws. In so many

places there aren't any laws to protect us from this.

[15:55:14] BURKE: So right now there's a commission that is reviewing this in the U.K. but many people tell me look, there's probably not going to be

a law under which anybody could be prosecuted.

GORANI: Yes, and by the way the police image that was tweeted out later deleted, police authorities in this country saying there was nothing

illegal about that, it just you know was kind of not a proper thing to do so we asked them to delete it.


GORANI: But I mean the question is what happens to all this? Is this just live surveillance and then it just kind of comes and goes or is it stored

anywhere? I mean how do we know what happens with our images that's captured every minute of the day?

BURKE: Most of the time it's stored and it's not just video, it's also pictures and even your voice.


BURKE: Most people don't realize when you call a call center, when you call your bank for instance, many times now they have a little message that

says this call might be recorded not just for quality control but also for your security.

Well what that means is they might actually be recording your voice so the next that you call Hala, they'll know that it's Hala Gorani calling and not

somebody else, so that's a security plus. But they're storing copies of your voice.

So they are all types of things being recorded about us that we don't even realize.

GORANI: I just .

BURKE: Our faces, our voice.

GORANI: I know, I shudder at the thought that my bank has stored somehow conversations I've had with bank representatives on the phone, you know, it

gets kind of tense sometimes let's be honest.


BURKE: It's not just - it's not just your bank too. The other day I did a story about if you use Google Now, it's a lot like (inaudible) if you're an

android user and I have a Google tablet so I use it. It's been recording everything I say; every time I say what's the weather, or I dictate an

email, sometimes I'll even write scripts for the stories that we do, I'll dictate it. It's been saving all of that. Luckily you can go in and turn

that off but our - our humanness is being stored everywhere around us.

GORANI: The machines are taking over. Samuel Burke thanks very much in New York.

We're going to have a lot more on breaking news story, the shootings in Chattanooga Tennessee on CNN later after a break. This has been the World

Right Now, I'm Hala Gorani. Quest Means Business is next.