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Preview Of "Deadly Lust: The Hunt for an Incestuous Father"; Cosby Admits to Sexual Affairs in Deposition; Trump Not Apologizing For McCain Comments; Dead Man Found in Demi Moore's Pool; Shark Attack in Surf Competition. Aired 7-8p ET

Aired July 19, 2015 - 19:00   ET

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[18:59:45] DR. CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Now remember that threat that he had told Lydia that "If you ever try to leave me, I will kill you." His character made him a true danger to everyone in his family. So it's not surprising that when Anna gets to an age when she realizes she wants out of this relationship, the same threat is going to come true with her.

ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: And for so long though she knew this wasn't right but she stayed silent, she didn't try to necessarily reach out for help.

JORDAN: The legacy of family secrets dealing with incest, particularly when it starts at a very young age is that the child knows that if they tell the truth, and don't forget Lydia was sick with cancer, she was in the hospital when this was going on.

CABRERA: The mom -- Anna's mom.

JORDAN: Yes, Anna's mom. Do you want your mom to come home from the hospital and tell her that the man she loves has been forcing sex? She knows it will destroy her mother. She knows the family will be broken up. DCS will come. She will probably end up in foster care. She will lose her brother. She'll lose everything.

So she keeps the secret. She makes her brother Hugo keep the secret. And over the years this just destroys the family. Hugo suffers to this day. He was only eight years old that he kept the secret and now he blames himself.

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CABRERA: Casey Jordan, thank you so much.

JORDAN: Fascinating case.

CABRERA: It is. It will be interesting. Don't forget you can catch it yourself and get the full story. "THE HUNT WITH JOHN WALSH". It's tonight at 9:00 Eastern right here tonight on CNN.

Hello. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. Thanks again for being with me this weekend. I'm Ana Cabrera, in for Poppy Harlow. Glad to have you here. And we begin with sex, drugs, and payoffs for silence. Admissions coming directly from comedian Bill Cosby in a deposition obtained by CNN that was taken ten years ago and stemming from a civil lawsuit filed by one of his accusers, Andrea Constand.

Cosby admits to sexual relationships with at least five women to using drugs in his pursuit and to hiding the affairs from his wife. Constand is one of more than 25 women who have now come forward publicly accusing Cosby of sexual assault or rape. She eventually settled in her case. Now, we did reach out to Cosby's publicist following this deposition being revealed and that publicist has no comment at this time.

I want to bring in CNN's Jean Casarez joining me with more. Jean -- you have been continuing to go through the thousand page deposition. What more are you learning about this relationship Cosby had with Constand?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: We're learning a lot more. In regard to the relationship with Constand, he says that it was several years in duration, that it was very much consensual. He says at one point he spoke with her mother and we knew about that ahead of time because that was part of a "National Enquirer" article that he spoke out with several years ago. That she was upset and all she wanted was an apology and the "National Enquirer" he said that she wanted money which was not true.

But here's the thing that's fascinating. The Jane Does -- all the women that stood in line saying we are ready to come forward in this civil suit in 2005, they aren't mentioned in this deposition by name and many of them he says he has no idea who they are. That he doesn't remember them at all and he doesn't remember what they did. A few of them he does remember.

But here's a quote that's interesting about the Quaaludes -- Quaaludes, the medication he admits that he got from a doctor. He said it was because he had a back issue and it was prescribed by the doctor over two to three years seven prescriptions. The doctor is now dead he says.

But listen to this. He says quote -- and this is the question.

Why didn't you ever take the Quaaludes? Because I used them.

For what? The same as a person would say have a drink.

You gave them to other people? Yes.

Did he know when he gave you those prescriptions that you had no intention of taking them? This is the doctor. Yes.

Did you believe at the time that was illegal for you to dispense those drugs? Yes.

And you did it anyway is that correct? You have to answer yes or no. Why do I have to answer that? It's obvious. I just finished telling you I gave them.

You gave those drugs to other people knowing that it was -- now at that point the attorneys start to -- and his attorneys say this is not relevant. We don't need to know why Mr. Cosby didn't take the Quaaludes. But then Andrea Constand's lawyer gets an answer and Cosby says what was happening at that time was that was Quaaludes happened to be the drug that kids, young people were using to party with and there were times when I wanted to have them just in case.

So what's interesting here is he admits he was not using the Quaaludes himself. He had it. But also his state of mind at least from this is that he had them in case the girls wanted to party and they wanted to use them. There is nothing to allude to that he was giving them so that he could knock them out and then have unconsensual sex.

CABRERA: But he did previously, as we uncovered in part of this deposition that was revealed a couple of weeks ago -- he did previously say that that was his intention of obtaining the Quaaludes so it almost sounds like he was contradicting himself in this deposition.

[190503] CASAREZ: Because he wanted sex with women. Well, I guess in this, he's describing that he is having sex with women but he had it in case they wanted to party.

CABRERA: Yes, that was in his mind there.

Of course, we have Casey Jordan here with us as well. Take us inside the mind of Cosby.

JORDAN: I think the most disturbing thing about all of these revelations is his attitude as he is talking about the fact that he got Quaaludes with no intent of taking them himself, to give them to women like party candy. And he doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong with that.

He was like it was the 70s, it was the 80s. This was normal. And even when he's having this deposition which is only ten years ago it's as if he has no idea, no clue whatsoever that this is considered wrong. The impaired women can't give consent. He's not up to date on this.

And I think what we learn most is the dissonance between his reputation as that wonderful man we remember from the Cosby show, a reputation as a philanthropist, as a mentor, as an all-around nice guy and his character, which is totally disturbing, unseemly and the kind of guy that just makes you feel creepy.

CABRERA: He's such a good actor on television that everybody thought that what you saw was what you get, that who he is on TV is who he is in person. He took great efforts to try to portray himself that way.

Stay with me ladies. I want to bring in attorney and legal affairs commentator, Areva Martin. Areva, do you think these new revelations strengthen the outstanding civil cases against Cosby? AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: I think they absolutely do. I think the

women that have filed lawsuits against Cosby have been waiting, chomping at the bit almost to get this kind of information and we also know we're hearing from the prosecutor that was involved in Constand case ten years ago, he has made a public statement that he is going to go through every page of that four-day deposition. And he's reelected in January, he's looking to see if he can file perjury charges against Bill Cosby because he may have made false statements, misrepresentations under oath.

So this deposition I think is going to be a bomb shell on many fronts. Not just with respect to the civil suits by the women but could possibly lead to that the criminal prosecution which we know Bill Cosby has been able to avoid because of the statute of limitations on the sexual assault claims.

CABRERA: We hear what he says in this deposition and what he said under oath. Why do you think that Andrea Constand chose to settle as opposed to moving further at trial? Was there just not enough evidence?

MARTIN: Well, we have to keep in mind that there were two things happening back in 2004-2005. Andrea did go to the prosecuting attorney and filed a criminal complaint. The prosecutor determined that there wasn't enough evidence to move forward to actually prosecute Bill Cosby criminally. He then made that statement publicly. She moved forth with her civil lawsuits and civil lawsuits are about money.

All you can recover in a civil lawsuit are monetary damages. Rarely are you going to get an admission of liability and there is no jail time. They are not the same criminal penalties as you get when there's a criminal prosecution.

But something really important happened. By that prosecutor determining and declaring that he was not going to criminally prosecute Bill Cosby he couldn't take the Fifth Amendment in this civil deposition.

So now, we have this thousand -- 1,100-page testimony that I think again is going to be really important for the civil lawsuit and possible criminal prosecution.

CABRERA: Jean, bring us up to speed on the criminal case that is still ongoing in California.

CASAREAZ: In Los Angeles it's the LAPD, their police department is investigating. Then it will go to the district attorney's office. They will determine if there are to be criminal charges against Bill Cosby. We believe it's Chloe Goins, 2008 Playboy mansion. She says that she was touched by Bill Cosby without her consent, ending up in a bedroom without her clothes on.

And so the question is, is it beyond the statute of limitations? She was 18, she was not a minor, she was 18 but her attorney tells me that it is within the statute of limitations they believe. Is the evidence there? That's up to the LAPD to do their investigation.

CABRERA: Areva, do you think we will see criminal charges against Cosby?

MARTIN: I think that some very creative prosecutor is at this very moment trying to figure out how to make that happen. I know we have heard from the prosecutor in Pennsylvania that he knew something had happened. He knew that there had been inappropriate conduct but he didn't feel he had enough evidence. I think everyone has the sense that you can't have 40 plus women making the same allegations and there not be something there.

So to the extent there will be a prosecution or there could be a prosecution, I think this is the case where some prosecutor is going to try to make that case.

CABRERA: Finally and quickly, Casey, I talked to supporters of Cosby prior to this deposition being revealed to the rest of the world and even after dozens of women had come forward with their accusations. And there were a lot of people who still didn't believe the accusations.

[19:10:11] I mean is he untouchable to some degree? Is his reputation still intact in many ways?

JORDAN: His reputation will always be what it is and that's fine but his character is what's at stake here and what he does next is everything. He is an old man. Does he actually want to go into the sunset with this hanging over his head or does he want to come clean, get up to speed on what consent is, apologize to these women and admit that he was wrong.

I think if he actually did that he could save his reputation because his character I think at this point is gone. Chickens have come home to roost. He's not going to ever outlive this.

CABRERA: All right. Thank you so much -- Casey Jordan, Jean Casarez and Areva Martin. We really appreciate all of that great conversation.

And up next we're going to talk with a woman who alleges she was raped by Bill Cosby. Her reaction to what Cosby admitted in the deposition.

Also a body turns up in movie star Demi Moore's Beverly Hills swimming pool. The details straight ahead.

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CABRERA: We return to our top story: new disturbing revelations about comedian Bill Cosby. In a 2005 deposition Cosby admits to affairs with women in cities across the U.S. luring them with drugs and fame all while hiding it from his wife. Cosby's publicist tells CNN he has no comment.

[19:15:06] I asked Cosby accuser, Barbara Bowman about how she felt hearing this news. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BARBARA BOWMAN, COSBY ACCUSER: It's classic narcissistic psychopathic behavior. It's the ego. It's the control and the diabolical thinking and behaviors. It's classic and exactly what was perpetrated upon me. It's the smoke and mirrors. It's the reverse pointing the finger back at the victim, making us all wonder how did I just get raped? Why did that just happen?

So to hear the words this morning, I, like everyone else, woke up and was blasted with the news. So I'm just digesting it as well.

CABRERA: Do you feel this is vindication of sorts? I know when Andrea Constand had filed her lawsuit against Cosby, you were asked to testify but you didn't get a chance because she eventually settled in the case. How does this impact you now?

BOWMAN: Well, it's amazing. I mean it's true vindication. And it is not just self-validating but it validates everyone that's involved in this. And it opens the door for communication to educate and to make aware of our younger people, our children of predatory behaviors.

And you know the psychopathic and sociopathic behaviors and what happens is that sociopaths tend to not just try and divert the attention away from them as a way to protect them, but they have enablers and handlers and people. And they manipulate everyone around them to make their predatory behaviors possible and moreover, they begin to believe the lies that they're telling everyone else so that when they are in a position of being under oath or under pressure they actually believe what they're saying when it is completely untrue.

I never asked for drugs and I never asked for sex and I never asked to be put in that volatile and violating position -- ever.

CABRERA: Barbara, of course, Cosby has continued to deny all of the allegations against him. He has never faced criminal charges and in large part he has been very silent when it comes to this scandal that has surfaced and his image possibly being tarnished now -- his image of being wholesome and being that family guy.

Why do you think it took this thousand page deposition for Cosby's own words for this information to be taken seriously?

BOWMAN: Well, we're dealing with a very psychotic mind. Sick minds are not necessarily stupid minds. They actually, he was able to master mind decades of deception and deceit and manipulation and brain washing, control, dominance and fear -- put terror and fear in many people, not just the victims that he sexually violated.

But everyone around him -- there were cover-ups. I mean, you know, there was no way that any of this would have gone on this long if he did not have a very strong circle of enablers and handlers around him. Some were culpable, some turn the other cheek, some might have -- you know, wanted to keep their jobs and then others just were too terrified to do anything about it. And it just became part of culture. CABRERA: And do you think that people just didn't want to believe the

allegations because they love this man.

BOWMAN: Absolutely. That's true, too. It's very difficult to shift your paradigm. I mean he was iconic. He touched many lives and really shifted some cultural ideals. And, you know, really created a lot of wreckage in a lot of people lives and it is really crushing that, you know, we have generations of all ages of all different races and all across the board that he really affected and really hurt.

I don't believe in non-verbal cues. Consent is not the absence of a no. And when you're stuffing drugs or alcohol into a woman and then calling it sex it's diabolical, it's disgusting. It's unacceptable and it's rape. And that's a crime.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[19:20:06] CABRERA: Our thanks to Barbara Bowman.

And still ahead, Donald Trump fires back at his critics. How he is responding to calls that he should apologize for what he said about Senator John McCain. Plus why he says it's really McCain who should be apologizing.

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CABRERA: Donald Trump is doubling down saying he does not owe Senator John McCain an apology for mocking his war record. During an interview just this morning on ABC's "This Week", Trump refused to walk back his comment yesterday, suggesting that McCain was no a war hero because he was captured during the Vietnam War. Instead Trump argued McCain is the one who should apologize.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When we had thousands and thousands of people in Phoenix, Arizona and John -- who by the way are devastated by illegal immigration -- something I'm very proud to have brought to the forefront. We had thousands of people (INAUDIBLE) they're all crazies. He called them crazies. And frankly, I think he owes them an apology.

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CABRERA: Trump also said he would not let this controversy force him out of the 2016 race for president.

Joining me now to talk more this, Republican strategist Tara Setmayer and CNN political reporter Sara Murray.

[19:25:04] Tara I want to start with you. It seems Trump is trying to deflect the questions by putting blame on McCain. We also heard him try to flip the discussion into a criticism of how veterans are treated in this country. Do you think that's going to work for him?

TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No. I think that he has really stepped in it this time. I mean there's a certain group of people in this country that you just don't ever mess with and that's our men in women in uniform, our veterans. And the way that he has handled this -- and it was completely unnecessary even for him to go after him.

CABRERA: Senator McCain is not a rival in this 2016 race.

SETMAYER: Yes, I mean McCain. Why? It's because John McCain went after him first. And it's part of this childish juvenile way that Donald Trump seems to handle everything. He name calls and finger points and it becomes very personal. And he didn't -- I mean there are plenty of things to criticize John McCain about, you know as a conservative.

I'm not a fan of John McCain's. He's upset us all on a lot of things. But one thing is unmistakable here is that he is clearly a war hero. He suffered torture at the hands of the Vietnamese, for six years -- I mean this man is an absolute war hero.

CABRERA: And it has lifetime effects on --

SETMAYER: That's correct.

CABRERA: I mean he can't even lift his arms.

SETMAYER: That's right. And he had an opportunity to be let go early because his father was a naval commander at the time. And he said no because he would not leave his fellow soldiers behind. So he's an honorable man in that respect and Donald Trump really owes everyone in the military who's ever been in combat an apology.

CABRERA: You mention that Donald Trump is now showing a pattern of name calling --

SETMAYER: Yes.

CABRERA: -- Sara, I want to ask you about that because there was an interesting moment this morning when Martha Raddatz questioned Trump about name calling and take a listen.

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MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC ANCHOR: There seems to be a pattern, Mr. Trump, when you're criticized or attacked you often respond with name calling using terms like "dummy", "loser", "total losers" on Twitter and elsewhere. You even demean some people's physical appearance. Is that something you would continue doing if you were president. Isn't that language beneath the office of president?

TRUMP: Well, I don't think -- look, when people attack me, I let them have it back. You say physical appearance, it's my hair but people are constantly attacking my hair. I don't see you coming to my defense. My hair is just fine but I don't see you coming to my defense but if I say something about somebody else, yesterday I mentioned somebody was saying McCain is a smart man. I said really he graduated last in his class in Annapolis -- ok. So, you know, people laughed when I said it.

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CABRERA: Sara, how tough is it for politicians to kind of walk that fine line between being a straight talker, a likeable characteristic, and just being plain mean which is not so appealing?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: I think we found this time around it is exceedingly difficult because voters do like a straight talker. They like someone who doesn't seem like a politician who seems like they are telling them the honest truth. But as you've seen with the other straight talkers in the race, this is a fine line.

Chris Christie was supposed to be the straight talker and then after the whole bridgegate scandal he started looking more like a bully than anything else. Ted Cruz also cast himself as a straight talker and he liked to make fun of Vice President Joe Biden. But then he slipped up and made fun of the Vice President immediately after his son died.

And so I think that this is now this era that we're in with Donald Trump is you can be a straight talker on a lot of different issues but it is a very fine line. And it seems that on this issue he's crossed it.

CABRERA: There is still that group that supports him. In fact, Tara, there was Joel Arends, the chairman of Veterans for a Strong America who came to Trump's defense saying Mr. Trump is a supporter of the U.S. military and of America's veterans. It's well known that when Mr. Trump is attacked by a detractor, he swings back. And because Trump is so consistent in that it seems like this individual is giving him a free pass.

SETMAYER: You know, look, there are people who find Donald Trump's straight talk refreshing but it's gone from refreshing to revolting. When you start attacking a war hero who was tortured because you're in a personal back and forth -- one is going to call one name and he called my people crazy so he's a dummy. It takes the dignity away from the office.

I agree with Governor Perry that Donald Trump is not fit to be commander in chief with this kind of language and this approach. He's saying that because he was captured, that's one reason why McCain was a hero? Is he going to say that to Marcus Lutrelle, the lone survivor, the navy seal who was the lone survivor of that horrible attack in Afghanistan? I don't think so.

Donald Trump? He got four deferments. He didn't go to Vietnam. He didn't serve this country. He claims that he may be supportive of our military and I'm sure he is. He says that he would fix the problems at the VA I'm sure he's well-intentioned. But he has not been in a position to do those things, to serve this country, he's never been humble enough to be a servant and that bothers me.

There's a certain amount of humility that you need to have when you want to be a public servant. It's not the "Donald Trump Show" when you are President of the United States. And I don't think that he sees that demarcation. He's a classic narcissist and this is on full display right here with the way he has handled this whole thing.

[19:30:02] CABRERA: Sara does this give us some insight into what a Trump presidency would be like? How he runs his campaign could lead to how he runs his presidency?

MURRAY: I think that that might be what people are a little bit worried about as much as you like someone who speaks to you honestly I think people realized that there is a certain decorum that you need if you're going to be president of the United States.

Interestingly, we've seen this in polling for Donald Trump. We've seen that people like him on a lot of different issues including, for example, the immigration but a recent poll showed that they didn't think he would do very well with dealing with other foreign governments and this might be an indication of why. They don't necessarily think he's up to, you know, taking on that diplomatic role and being able to play nicely with others even if there are others that you don't necessarily agree with on any given day. As you have seen with President Barack Obama that's a lot of what your presidency is, having to deal with people that you might prefer to not be dealing with.

CABRERA: All right. Sara Murray, Tara Setmeyer, thank you both so much for your thoughts. It will be interesting to see those next polls that come out after this weekend.

SETMEYER: I guarantee he will lose some points on this.

CABRERA: All right. You heard it here first. Thanks again, ladies. Appreciate it.

Well, a competition canceled after a couple of sharks get a little too close for a surfer's comfort. If you haven't seen this video, you don't want to miss this video. Shocking. It's what everybody's talking about. How one of the world's top surfers is doing now.

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CABRERA: Well, now to a grizzly discovery at the Los Angeles home of actress Demi Moore where police say the body of a 21-year-old man was found in her swimming pool early this morning. The actress was not home at that time but officers did question five other people at the property and an investigation found that someone had been throwing a party at the home although at this point it's unclear who. The man's death has been ruled an accident.

Now to that shark attack that brought a major surfing competition to a standstill. Cameras capturing what appeared to be at first two sharks colliding with champion surfer Mick Fanning. This is off the coast of South Africa. This attack happening on live TV.

Let's slow it down for you and give you another look at it. So you can really see it. Fanning says he only saw flashes of fins and he was knocked off of his board. He was dragged under water. He says he punched one of the sharks in the back to try to scare it away before rescuers on jet skis then rushed to his rescue and plucked him out of the water.

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MICK FANNING, SURVIVED SHARK ATTACK: I'm happy to not even compete ever again. Seriously, to walk away from that, oh man.

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CABRERA: Yes, what's going through his mind, right? Joining me now, Paul Speaker, he's the co-owner and the CEO of the World Surf League, the organization that was hosting this event in South Africa. Paul, first, how is Fanning doing?

PAUL SPEAKER, CO-OWNER & CEO, WORLD SURF LEAGUE: Kiran, he's doing well (INAUDIBLE) down in South Africa and he was with Mick and (INAUDIBLE) who was also in the water, another surfer. He's doing well. Obviously, it's a huge scare and we're just really happy that both Mick and Julian came out of the water literally unscathed but it was a scary process for us without a doubt.

CABRERA: Yes, I think everybody is counting blessings there. The attack though did rattle the surfing community. Are you afraid this could affect the number of people who might want to compete in future events?

SPEAKER: You know, we haven elite tour of athletes both on the men's side and women's side. We take preparations and we understand the risk. We kind of co-exists with sharks in the water. We go to places that certainly have the greatest waves in the world but it comes with some danger.

I think right now we're just kind of settling down, decompressing a little bit, evaluating how we did on the management team on the water safety and emergency staff and we're just really thankful that Mick and Julian were both OK.

CABRERA: South Africa is known for having some of the most shark infested waters in the entire world. What types of preparations do you take going into that type of a situation?

SPEAKER: Our water safety is the best in the world. I mean, they are trained rigorously for preparations around these things and not only there in South Africa, but in Western Australia, in Tahiti, Fiji and Hawaii. Like I said, we understand that there is a risk and it's a very unpredictable sport. I think that's what draws many of the athletes to it. We will continue to look at the video tape. See our response time and continue to make sure that we're doing a better job with education and technology in order for us to limit the risk that is inevitable for us to co-exist in the water with sharks.

CABRERA: Absolutely. We do know that you cancelled the competition as a precaution after the attack. What are the plans now?

SPEAKER: The plans are, from a competition standpoint, we basically split the prize money, split the points for those two athletes in the water, Julian and Mick. I think we really quickly moved from a competitive environment to a family environment. We travel with these athletes. They are very close to us. They are very close to each other. You know, watching that live on television just - it gives you pause. It's a brother of yours, a friend of yours. You know his family and all of the people in the water.

There was so much heroism going on. You probably don't see it in the clips that you have but Julian Wilson who is in that water with another elite athlete, (INAUDIBLE) he was paddling towards Mick. I mean, very rarely know how you will respond to a burning building or an explosion. We know what kind of a person Julian is. Mick was beating off the shark to survive. He paddled away and turned around and kind of almost embraced round two with the shark in case the shark was after him and Julian was paddling the entire time, vigorously, sprint paddling to get to his friend to help him out. We had guys in the water in jet skis who are coming in. We had a photographer in the water who was telling the jet skis "don't worry about me, go to Mick and get him out of the water." The collection of this brotherhood coming together and sisterhood that exists on the women's tour it was a tragic moment that luckily turned out OK. But I'm just really proud of the WSL family and what our preparations provided us to realized.

CABRERA: Right.

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SPEAKER: And the fact that we got out of there without anybody being hurt.

CABRERA: It could have been so much worse. Finally, Paul, you know, this is getting so much attention because it was caught on video and it's so dramatic but how common is it for a shark attack at one of your surfing events?

SPEAKER: I mean, we're checking the research. We have some times, you know, there are sightings in the water. There are times when and athletes may be confuse dolphins with sharks and sharks with dolphins. But as far as we can tell looking back over the 40 year history of the World Surf League and professional competition there has never been an attack in the water as far as we understand. We believe it is a real rare incident. Again, we prepare for this all the time. You never know what's going to happen in the water. It's a beautiful place and a vicious place at the same time. We're just again, really happy that Mick was able to get out and Julian was able to get out of there without any harm.

CABRERA: We're so glad that all ended well as well. Thank you so much, Paul Speaker, for joining us. We appreciate it.

SPEAKER: Really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

CABRERA: Have a good weekend.

Now, on to a tragedy, that the nation has been coping for days, loved ones still trying to understand the loss of five service members gunned down in Chattanooga last week. The shooter's family is now speaking out as they grieved.

Next, CNN's Nick Payton Walsh met with his relatives overseas where the investigation has now turned to Jordan and they say he had everything and just blew it.

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CABRERA: Loved ones are gathering in Chattanooga today mourning the loss of the five service members who were killed by Mohammed Abdulazeez this week. Meanwhile we're learning security officials are interviewing the shooter's relatives in Jordan where he visited several times in recent years. Let's go out to our Boris Sanchez in Chattanooga tonight, for us, what are investigators looking at overseas?

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ana, a source telling CNN that something changed in Abdulazeez when he returned from his last trip to Jordan in 2014, reportedly to visit an uncle.

Investigators are questioning his extended family there, looking to see where he may have gone in the country, who he may have met with and how his demeanor was in that time. Obviously, a trip that may have affected him in his return here in the United States. Ana.

CABRERA: Boris, we just got some video from 2006 of Abdulazeez reading a verse from the Koran, it's part of a high school project. Tell us more about that.

SANCHEZ: It was a project in 2006 that he got a producer credit for. He was in that project reading from a Holy Koran detailing his belief in Islam. It was taken, as you said, in 2006. It would be difficult to glean anything regarding his mind set before the shooting from a video that was taken when he was in high school.

CABRERA: Also, new today in the investigation, we've learned officials talked to a friend of Abdulazeez who apparently got a text message from him just hours before the shooting.

SANCHEZ: That is correct. Investigators are looking at that text message. It is a quote from the holy Islamic text attributed to the prophet Mohamed. In the conversation, he sent it to his friend, saying "whosoever shows enmity to a friend of mine, then I have declared war on him."

Something very important to point out. Investigators tell CNN that in the context of that conversation they don't see that quote as a specific forewarning or foreshadowing of the shooting that was to come. They say it's just a small piece in a much bigger puzzle of trying t figure out the shooter's motive.

CABRERA: The gunman's family here in the U.S. is also speaking out saying he suffered from depression. What else are they saying?

SANCHEZ: They put out a statement earlier this morning offering sympathies and condolences to those families affected by the shooting. They mentioned that he had been dealing with some mental health issues for several years. They also say they are complying with law enforcement doing anything they can to help in the investigation. This obviously is something, Ana, that caught them off guard.

CABRERA: It's just so sad all around. We see the memorial there behind you, the balloons, flowers, people gathering. I know family members were out there today. What was it like?

SANCHEZ: Just an overwhelming showing of support. We have seen hundreds of people come by here. The hearse carrying Randall Smith, that sailor that was shot Thursday and passed away early Saturday morning, had passed by earlier today. There were sirens blaring, firefighters passing by. Hundreds of motorcyclists and other vehicles passing by, revving their engines and trying to show support of the families of those affected.

When we got here, Thursday morning, there are only about a dozen flags here behind me. Now, there are thousands. People clearly wanting to show that they are offering support and condolence to the family of all the service members killed.

CABRERA: All right. Boris Sanchez, live tonight in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Thanks so much.

CNN's Nick Payton Walsh, also spoke with the shooter's relatives in the West Bank and they say he seemed like an all-American boy when he visited them in 2005.

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NICK PAYTON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Tennessee gunman family's began in the hills of the West Bank. The man of this tiny village, now scrutinize his end.

Palestinians who have seen decades of trauma in the shade hear words of comfort. A gathering because the death of Mohammed Abdulazeez has left his father, Yousef, born and admired here without a male heir and without honor.

(on camera): The emotions on display here have nothing to do with mourning the loss of (INAUDIBLE) Youssef, about his father. They have showing solidarity for the suffering and shame, he must be feeling now on the other side of the Atlantic. And also in some ways this is a wake for that family's honor.

(voice-over): Most of the voices are stunned and angry at Mohammed, but one loca, not a relative, speaks out.

I think what he did, he said, was an angry reaction to the regime that is ruling America in the western general. That is the Muslims' enemies supports bad regimes but this was a rare voice. His father's cousin, Assad, wants Americans grieving their loss to know their horror here, too.

[19:50:07] ASSAD ABDULAZEEZ, COUSIN TO FATHER OF GUNMAN: All of them who talked with me, they're feeling very angry and very sad about this behaviour. All of them say, Youssef is a good man. Youssef as a man must have a good son.

WALSH: This village has had martyrs fighting the Israelis whose posters have adorned the streets but this won't happen to Muhamed, we are told, as many here feel. He had everything but blew it.

ASSAD ABDULAZEEZ: He had higher education. He has passport, can work. He can live where he want in all the world because of the USA passport but this choice - all of us can't know what, why he did that.

WALSH: Mohammed came here once in 2005, age 15, for a week with his father to get his Palestinian I.D. we're told by his father's other cousin.

He looked like an American kid. He said he didn't speak Arabic. If he played with other kids it wasn't that casual because he was really focused here with his father to get his Palestinian I.D.. They were here during the (INAUDIBLE) uprising and you could be worried for lots of reasons, not just the Israeli army on the street and people being shot but also by being outside playing the sort of friends you could make.

Ten years later, the road to radicalization has changed so much, he says. It's not religion but a technological revolution of the internet that has created this, he says. Before, people will look over but now a father cannot monitor what their son is doing on the internet.

One visit at a formative age to a village that barely remembers the Tennessee gunman but now deals with the infamy his twisted choice brought upon his family too.

Nick Payton Walsh, CNN, (INAUDIBLE).

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CABRERA: We'll be right back. Stay with us.

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CABRERA: The clock starts tomorrow for Congress to review the historic and highly contentious nuclear deal with Iran. This agreement reached by the U.S. and five world powers was just sent to lawmakers today and defense secretary Ash Carter has now arrived in Israel. Leaders there are furious. They say this agreement could put them in danger.

CNN Sunlen Serfaty takes a look at Carter's strategy going in as he tries to mend fences with America's long-standing ally.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ana, well, this trip was planned before the nuclear deal with Iran was reached last week but the defense secretary telling reporters that of course during his talks with Israel and other countries over the course of his trip, of course the nuclear agreement will come up in conversation.

And he defended the deal saying that it will remove a critical element of danger and threat from the region. Now during his trip he will have a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He's been one of the fiercest critics of the deal. Here's what Netanyahu said earlier today.

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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): If anyone thought that the sweeping concessions for Iran would bring about a change in its policy, they have received a decisive answer over the weekend and the aggressive and provocative speech of Iran's ruler, Khomeini. The Iranians don't even make an effort to hide the fact that they will use the hundreds of billions of dollars they will receive in this deal to arm their terror machine and they clearly say that they will continue their fight against the United States and its allies, headed by Israel.

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SERFATY: Now, Carter says he is not trying to change anyone's mind during the course of this trip but he is expected to reinforce the shared security challenges that the U.S. have and what this administration can do to really bolster the cooperation on the threats within the region. Now the defense secretary won't be offering to pour billions of dollars in American-made missiles, American-made aircraft into the region as a form of reassurance to Israelis.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry, he appeared on all five Sunday shows this morning in defense of this deal, telling CNN's Jake Tapper "the real fear of that region should be that you don't have a deal." Ana.

CABRERA: All right. Thanks so much. Sunlen Serfaty.

You can get all the latest news at cnn.com and using our mobile app. Don't forget tonight on CNN "The Hunt with John Walsh, Deadly Lust." That premieres. Here's a quick sneak view.

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UNIDENTIFED MALE: So I get a phone call. It was Thomas's brother asking me if I was in the apartment. Are the kids there? I say yeah, we're all here. I say what's going on? He said once you clear the kids from the apartment, call me.

I spoke to him man to man, what do you do? What did you do to her? And then he started crying.

RICHARD RAMIREZ, HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Thomas's brother told him that Thomas told him that he had done something stupid and that they would find Anna under some blankets. UNIDENTIFED MALE: We're all there. Just waiting for a phone call.

Not knowing that my sister was, you know, her body was right behind the sofa. I decided to call the police because there was no more point in waiting.

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CABRERA: Back to back episodes of "THE HUNT" right after this and then at 10:00 it's "DEATH ROW STORIES: MURDER IN PARIS."

Thanks so much for joining me tonight. I'm Ana Cabrera. It was great to have your company. Hopefully your weekend is ending on a high note. Have a great week.