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Cheating Website Hacked; Spieth Out of British Open Win; New Images of an ISIS Terror Attack; New Video of Africa-American Woman Who Died in Texas Jail. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired July 20, 2015 - 14:30   ET

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[14:30:00] CHARLES ORLANDO, AUTHOR: I'm probably part of this hack, right?

(LAUGHTER)

So credit card information, my full profile. I put up three profiles to go on the site and do my investigation. But credit card information, very specific information about me as a person, my wants, my needs, my sexual desires. That's all there.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: That's all out there. OK. So I won't ask you specifics. We'll leave that between you and your wife.

Joe, to you.

Let me read part of what the hacking group posted online to the company who hosts the site. "Avid Life Media has been instructed to take Ashley Madison and Establishment Man (ph) offline permanently in all forms. Too bad for those men, they are cheating dirtbags and deserve no such direction.

And with over 37 million members, mostly from the U.S. and Canada, a significant percentage are going to have a bad day, including some rich and powerful people." We talking hacking a lot, but in this case, is this hackers, the moral police to you -- sounds like an oxymoron, but ethical hacking? Is that how you read this?

JOE LOOMIS, FOUNDER & CEO, CYBERRESPONSE: This is more of a hacktivism type of attack where they have an initiative and a motive behind it with a statement of what their intentions are. Maybe there are few individuals that have been burned in this regard and wanted to take it to a different level now.

BALDWIN: So what are they asking for?

LOOMIS: Well, aside from -- I would look at it more like a choice and a demand. The demand is they shut down the website and cease all operations or face the exposure of class-action lawsuits, other damaging types of events when you expose your customer base to the national or the global public market.

BALDWIN: Again, Joe, to Charles' point, this is not like a target hack, for example, where somebody may have your credit card information or bank account information. This is personal anything from what kind of men or women you prefer to your sexual preferences all out there in someone else's hands, which would be rather frightening.

ORLANDO: Exactly. This is the attack of someone's privacy now. It's not affecting you financially as much as it is affecting your personal life. This is where the economy and the world is going towards, how well do we preserve our privacy and protect it. How willing are we willing to put it out there on websites while we are trusting them with the security.

All members of this site blindly assumed this organization had the right kind of security measures in place or insider protections to prevent these types of attacks and clearly that's not the case. One, don't put anything on the web that you think could come back to harm you, whether it's personal, a private conversation, an e-mail, I think most professionals that live in our industry understand those down -- those risks. But unfortunately, to the consumer, we're starting to see how important privacy and being naive about how organizations protect data.

BALDWIN: Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say people on sites like this are not thinking with this here.

(LAUGHTER)

Charles, just final thought with you, I mean, listen, you met some of these women, you know, you got to the point on one day date where the women wanted to reach across the table and kiss you, dot, dot, dot. What's your take on people who do this kind of thing?

ORLANDO: By the way, I didn't cheat, so to kill the conclusion of the article, I didn't cheat. But people forget that -- they forget a couple of things. That anything you put -- to your point, anything that you put online is available and can be searched and found. Facebook is certainly a great example of people looking to connect in a variety of ways.

BALDWIN: Yep.

ORLANDO: And Ashley Madison just happens to have the cheater's website monicker attached to it. Cheaters have been around forever, but we have a spotlight on it here. But if you're going to have an elicit affair, my first advice is close one chapter before you open another.

BALDWIN: Thank you.

ORLANDO: And, remember, anything you put online, somebody is going to find it. Somebody is going to find it.

BALDWIN: Just don't.

Charles Orlando and Joe Loomis, gentlemen, thank you very much.

ORLANDO: Thank you.

LOOMIS: Thank you.

[14:34:23] BALDWIN: Ahead on CNN, an African-American woman dies inside a jail cell. Police say, absolutely, this was suicide. Her family says no way. Now new video from inside the jail may tell some of the story.

Plus, new images of an ISIS terror attack. News findings indicate the group is stepping up its use of chemical weapons on the battlefield. Why this could change everything.

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BALDWIN: The British Open golf tournament coming to a dramatic close this hour, a rare Monday finish at St. Andrews, Scotland, the home of golf. Starting today's final round, American Jordan Spieth was in contention. Spieth has already won the Masters and U.S. Open this year, which meant had he a real chance of winning the third of four of golf major tournaments.

Let me bring in CNN Sport's Rachel Nichols.

Bring me up to speed of what has happened.

RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Well, they are in a playoff right now. Golf tournaments are supposed to end on Sunday afternoon but they've had terrible weather over there, that they have gone to playing on Monday and then got extended to even further. There are three guys in a playoff. The guy that most Americans had their heart set rooting for was, of course, Jordan Spieth. And minutes ago, unfortunately, he is out of things. He stepped up to 17 with a chance to get into -- he was tied with the lead. He had a chance to win the tournament. When you think about the 72 holes of golf you play over the four days, to get to number 70 and have a chance to win your third grand slam of the year, something that the last guy that did it was Ben Hogan in 1953, that's enormous. So the fact that he has gotten to that point speaks incredibly well of him. He's 21 years old. There's another major left in the year, by the way, the PGA. That will be played in August. Hey, could get a crack at that after he stepped off the course today, though, he said, it stinks.

(LAUGHTER)

That shows you that he's still 21 years old.

[14:40:44] BALDWIN: He sat in your seat right after the green jacket fresh off the Masters and he was precious.

(CROSSTALK)

NICHOLS: Yeah. Definitely a future for American golf. There has been this question, who is the next Tiger Woods of American golf, and I think American golf has found who they want their next Tiger Woods to be.

BALDWIN: Spieth. NICHOLS: We'll see if he can nail it. The playoff going on right now. There is an American still involved in that so I guess that transfers your hopes to them.

BALDWIN: Perfect.

Rachel Nichols, thank you very much.

All right. New evidence today about the terrifying tactics of ISIS. An investigation by two U.K.-based groups has found the terror group used devices filled with chemical agents against both Kurdish forces and civilians in Iraq and Syria. The report says this is, quote, "the first documented use by ISIS forces of projectile-delivered chemical agents."

Meanwhile, chaos at a Turkish border town as a suicide bomber strikes at a rally, and ISIS is suspected of being behind this.

There is a warning here. The moment the bomb goes off, it is terrifying to watch. CNN is showing it simply to demonstrate the inhumanity and horror of this attack.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

(CHANTING)

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BALDWIN: 28 people were killed, more than 100 wounded.

I have our senior international correspondent, Arwa Damon, live there along the Turkish border town near where this bomb went off.

Arwa, what do you know as far as what happened there?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, that death toll is now up to 30 and the exPLOsion, which is just so horrific to watch in that video, happening just behind us at the cultural center on the other side of those military vehicles. And in that video you really see how instantly reality is altered and lives are lost. Other videos showing people screaming out, some because they are shocked, some because they are in pain.

One resident of the town that we spoke to described how after the blast took place, people began rushing to the scene, complete chaos and panic and they were lifting up the covers that were placed on top of some of the corpses trying to see if their relatives were among them. At least another 100 people wounded in the blast. I'm giving you an idea of how large it was. This is according to Turkish authorities, the work of a suicide bomber.

At this stage, there has been no claim of responsibility but the Turkish government is alluding to the fact that this is the work of ISIS and perhaps in retaliation because of its war against terror. There has been a massive crackdown on individuals here in Turkey. Hundreds being rounded up, accused of either being members of ISIS or having affiliations to ISIS. The attack here, those that were gathered were gathered as part of a reconstruction effort. They, too, at this stage, Brooke, finding themselves and their families very much the victims of is' brutal violence.

[14:44:14]BALDWIN: Horrifying.

Arwa Damon, along the Turkish border. Thank you.

Coming up here, horrifying moments caught live television of a surfer knocked off his board during this competition by a shark. He lives to tell the tale. We interviewed him.

Next, the family of a woman found dead in her jail cell is demanding answers. Relatives of Sandra Bland are ordering a second private autopsy. What that could reveal, next.

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BALDWIN: What happened to Sandra Bland? That is what her family, what many of you on social media are demanding after this 28-year-old African-American woman died in police custody in a Houston suburb last week. The Chicago area native had just moved to Texas to start a new job. She was arrested on July 10th after failing to signal a lane change. Her arrest was caught on cell phone video.

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SANDRA BLAND, ARRESTED AND DIED IN TEXAS JAIL: (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I can't feel my arms. I was slammed to the ground. Do you not even care about that? I can't even hear. He slammed my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) head into the ground. Pulled me over for a traffic ticket.

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BALDWIN: There are a lot of people here, especially Sandra Bland, wanting the truth. And if I die in police custody, please bring this to the attention of the authorities.

The sheriff's department says Bland committed suicide after hanging herself with a plastic bag in her cell three days after her arrest, but her family and supporters are not buying that. They have ordered a second private autopsy and an investigation is now under way.

Joining me now, CNN contributor, Lawrence Koblinsky, a forensic scientist and professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Also with me, CNN political commentator & Morehouse College professor, Marc Lamont Hill.

And, Larry, to you, first.

We hear oftentimes in cases, the family comes forward and they want a second independent autopsy. What might a second autopsy reveal?

[11:50:] LAWRENCE KOBLINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST, PROFESSOR, JOHN JAY COLLEGE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE & CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, there are instances where a second autopsy will reveal slightly different than the first autopsy. The person who does the first autopsy sees things in a rather pristine way and hasn't been altered by previous deception and you can see certain things that haven't been disturbed. My guess is that in a case like this, given that we have somebody incarcerated in a jail and I don't think there's going to be much of a significant difference in the two autopsy reports.

BALDWIN: Let me follow up with you. If you are correct in your hypothesis there wouldn't be much difference, you know, in cases that you're familiar with in which a family orders the second autopsy, do the families generally accept those findings?

KOBLINSKY: I think they will. You know, there are some oddities here. Most people that commit suicide incarcerated are male and, you know, they generally are about 35 years old and most of the time when a suicide occurs, it's through hanging. But the point is, there's video which indicates nobody entered or left the cell. So I think there's not just autopsy evidence but there's video and there's psychological evidence here because apparently what we're hearing is that on Facebook there are some entries that Sandra put into Facebook that indicated a level of depression and PTSD and about half the people that commit suicide in jail are emotionally disturbed or have signs of mental illness.

BALDWIN: Marc, I'm going to turn to you.

Police say this was suicide. Her family, protesters say absolutely no way. What do you think is driving this?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, a few things. One, the specifics of this case. Again, this is a woman who had spoken out about police brutality and talked about these types of issues. She was there on a very minor charge. And many people who spoke to her said she showed no indication of being in poor spirits or troubled spirits.

We know this is complicated. Many people who commit suicide in jail are there for minor charges. There's no necessarily a correlation and there's a higher rate of suicide in prison, three and a half times higher than the national rate. So it's a complicated thing.

But the specifics of this case, the irregularities of the stop itself, the police violated their own courtesy rules. According to the department, the police didn't do a legal stop. All of these things raise questions. And then that local issue is combined with the global issue which is that, for the last year, since August 9th, we've been asking tough questions of law enforcement on a national level, and the same way on a community level. We don't trust law enforcement the same way. They told us Charleston was clearly a case of a clean shoot, which it turned out the video showed otherwise.

BALDWIN: Right.

HILL: So we don't trust what police say on a national level the way we used to. It's those two things combined that make people say, hey, give us a second autopsy. And I think it's warranted.

BALDWIN: Martin O'Malley over the weekend was confronted by demonstrators and they wanted to speak about justice and police brutality. This is what he said.

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MARTIN O'MALLEY, (D) FORMER MARYLAND GOVERNOR & PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every life matters.

(APPLAUSE)

O'MALLEY: And that is why this is so important. Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter.

(SHOUTING)

O'MALLEY: Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter.

(SHOUTING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: He later issued an apology.

HILL: Yeah.

BALDWIN: Do you think he should have apologized?

HILL: I do. I do. It's not always about intention. I don't think he was attempting to understate the value of black life but the black lives movement has never been that they should be prioritized or their lives are worth more. It's a response to state violence, a response to state violence and not just in terms of bullets and guns but economic injustice and all sorts of deprivation.

BALDWIN: Do you think he was minimizing?

[14:55:03] HILL: I think whatever you have to say that white lives matter is a legitimacy of black lives, it's a problem. Imagine if your house were on fire and I live next door and I say, the house matters but yours is on fire. That's the one that should be prioritized at that moment. The black lives matter movement is about that. People have trouble saying that black lives matter that they can only say that the smuggling white lives. And that's the problem. And that's why people were offended.

BALDWIN: Marc Lamont Hill, thank you very much.

Larry Koblinsky, thank you as well.

Coming up next, the chilling video of this surfer attacked by a shark during a competition on live TV. This man lived to tell about it. He did an interview with our correspondent. We'll share that after this quick break.

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[14:59:42] BALDWIN: You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

News just into us at CNN. A close friend of the Chattanooga gunman, who killed four Marines and a sailor at two military sites in Tennessee, is now talking. His friend revealing, exclusively to us here at CNN, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez's fondness for high-powered assault rifles, his drug use, and the 24-year-old's thoughts on the terror group ISIS.

[15:00:00] Watch this.

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JAMES PETTY, FRIEND OF CHATTANOOGA GUNMAN: That it was a stupid group and it was completely against Islam, and not to even think about going towards them.

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