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The Tragic Life And Death Of Bobbi Kristina Brown; Three Years After Singer Whitney Houston Died, Her Only Daughter Bobbi Kristina Brown, Under Bizarrely The Same Circumstances, Brain Injured Has Now Passed Away; A Woman Killed Herself After She Is Arrested For A Traffic Violation, And The State Trooper Is Being Blamed For Her Death; The World`s Most Adulterous City. Aired 9-10p ET

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[21:00:14] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, the tragic life and death of Bobbi Kristina Brown. You will hear from her father, Bobby Brown and

boyfriend, Nick Gordon. Plus, the Sandra Bland case, could she have hastened her own dearth or is the state trooper, who arrested her solely

responsible?

It all starts now with the "Top of the Feed." Three years after singer Whitney Houston died, her only daughter Bobbi Kristina Brown, under

bizarrely the same circumstances, brain injured has now passed away. Take a look.

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Tragedy has once again struck the family of the late songstress, Whitney Houston, and singer, Bobby Brown. The

couple`s 22-year-old daughter, Bobbi Kristina Brown, has died.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: The fact that it is so eerily like the way her mother passed, I do not think everybody still has recovered from her mother

passing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): Her daughter, three years later, would be taken from us the same way. She is still a baby, 22 years old. I mean, it

is just -- it is absolutely unthinkable.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): Especially Cissy Houston who had to bury her daughter, and now has to bury her granddaughter.

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SIAN PIERRE REGIS, HLN ENTERTAINMENT & POP CULTURE CONTRIBUTOR: Nick Gordon, he has a lot of explaining to do.

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NICCI GILBERT-DANIELS, R&B ARTIST & PRODUCER: This family has been clear from the very beginning that they suspected foul play.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Expect for there to be a lot of movement on the Nick Gordon front.

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REGIS: Who is to blame for what happened, for losing such a beautiful soul? I think all eyes are on Nick Gordon.

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PINSKY: Indeed. Joining us, Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist and professor at Pepperdine University; Vanessa Barnett, HipHollywood.,com, Segun

Oduolowu, entertainment journalist, and Areva Martin, attorney and legal consultant.

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PINSKY: All right, you guys, well -- I do not know where to start. Should we start with how the family is doing? What their funeral plans are,

Vanessa? Do you know?

VANESSA BARNETT, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: I do know that they -- I mean, obviously, they are devastated.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: It is very tragic. I do -- I believe that she will be buried next to her mother, and I -- I am not sure all of the details; but I know

that this family is going through a lot. And, they have been through a lot within these last three years after losing Whitney.

PINSKY: And, Areva, let me ask you this. I asked an attorney earlier today, what would happen -- there is all these controversies swirling

around Nick Gordon. There are reports of domestic violence. There are reports of him dragging her before she died, knocking teeth out.

And, by the way, I have to say, the knocking the teeth out is a dramatic piece of the story, but it is not necessarily him. If I can get the camera

again here, this thing I am holding up here is an intubation tube. And, this is what goes in the throat during a resuscitation. And, in the field,

they sometimes will knock teeth out when they are putting this in to save someone`s life, because they are --

BARNETT: Wow!

PINSKY: -- it is just they are doing whatever they can to get this thing in and get her breathing again, because she was dead when they found her.

It does not mean he did this. But, what if he did, what if we knew he did it, and he gave her a bunch of pills and said, "You want to kill yourself?

Go ahead, now. Go kill yourself." And, then she did. Even then would he be guilty of murder?

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: Well, I think we know that the prosecuting attorney in this town has decided that there is not enough

at this point evidence to charge him. He has hired a high profile criminal defense attorney, so I think he is contemplating or at least considering

the fact that he might be charged. But this has been going on a while, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Who is it?

MARTIN: Jose Baez.

PINSKY: Jose Baez.

MARTIN: Yes.

PINSKY: That was --

MARTIN: Casey Anthony.

PINSKY: Casey. Fantastic.

BARNETT: Yes, Casey Anthony.

MARTIN: Great attorney, outstanding attorney --

PINSKY: But, it really --

MARTIN: He is on this case now.

PINSKY: I am going to tell you what I have learned about the legal system. It really determined -- it involves around his mens rea.

MARTIN: Well --

PINSKY: Is that right?

MARTIN: That is a state of mind. That is what you mean by mens rea.

PINSKY: It is not that really what is the issue here.

MARTIN: Fancy Latin term for your intention, did you intend to do something. But, I think there are a lot of facts that are going to come

out. These bruises you talk about the two, there are also bruises on her chest. We know there was a car accident.

PINSKY: Yes, but that could have been resuscitation.

MARTIN: Could have been, but we know there are serious allegations of domestic violence of him dragging her by her hair.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: Of him hitting her and physically abusing her, that the cops are going to have to look very seriously.

PINSKY: You guys remember the interview with Dick Gordon and --

BARNETT: Dr. Phil?

PINSKY: -- Dr. Phil.

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right.

PINSKY: My brain today is misfiring all over the place. But, thank you for helping me. Yes, I have been travelling since early this morning.

HO: Wow.

PINSKY: But, that man was not well. I mean he needed like six months of treatment at least. But, Segun, no miracle, man. I am sorry. Why do I

practice -- Do not you defend him.

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: I know -- I know that you -- I know the whole thing with the miracles, but let us -- here is where it gets

ugly. Like now that is she --

PINSKY: This whole thing is ugly.

ODULOWU: But it is going to get really ugly, because now we want to assess blame. Was Nick Gordon, the one who caused this? We are going to try to

find out. Did she -- I mean I heard one of our HLN correspondents say a beautiful soul. She abused drugs. I mean I know it is ugly.

PINSKY: It does not make her --

ODUOLOWU: I am not - what I am saying is she died in almost the exact same way as her mother did.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: There is so much ugliness surrounding this story. That, now, that she has passed, let the family grieve. There are answers that need to

be found, and it is going to get ugly going-forward.

PINSKY: I think you are right.

ODUOLOWU: And, you know, people want to lay blame at the parents.

HO: Right.

ODUOLOWU: They are blaming Bobby -- Bobby Brown. And, if you want to talk about somebody who has suffered in all this. That man has suffered,

regardless of what you think about him. That man has had major, major losses.

HO: Well, that is right, and you know, because all the blame and attention has gone to that, now they are having to really actually face those stages

of grief. You know, first, it is all this denial and there is bargaining. Now, they have to really go through all these emotions. Instead of putting

blame, they have to actually process what happened and let her go, finally.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: I think they are all trying to make sure they do not look like they are the one at fault. Unfortunately, a lot of people dropped the ball

in her life. And, there are a lot of enablers, there are a people, who felt like they could not get to her, maybe stopped trying to get to her,

and she had isolated herself.

There are a lot of people who are, I am sure, struggling with guilt here; but it is a lot easier if they all band together and say, "No, we are going

to blame Nick Gordon."

PINSKY: Well --

MARTIN: Dr. Drew, let me just go back to that question you asked about mens rea. The question really was whether he intended to murder her.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: So, he gave her a bunch of pills, but he did not have the intention to murder her? But, there are things in the criminal justice

system, depraved heart murder, gross negligence. So, if you give someone a bottle of pills, who you know is addicted to drugs --

HO: Right.

MARTIN: And, you know they are likely to take that whole bottle of pills, and they die as a result. You still could be charged with something. So,

just because he did not necessarily walk into that bathroom, we are speculating and say, "I want you too, drown," does not mean that he may not

face some criminal charges. There is a lot of room for some charges here, if they can make the case.

PINSKY: When did this all started? This started January or something? I mean I knew day 10, this was going to end here. I am sorry, Segun. I

mean, listen. The whole thing -- in retrospect, I know exactly what this is. I know how this goes. It is just like I have been here many times

with patients.

And, you guys are sort of arguing about miracles back then. And, I started thinking, why do I practice medicine at all? Why do we have an

appendicitis, let us ask for a miracle. Why do we operate? Why do we need to anything in medicine? Why do we just ask for miracles all the time?

ODUOLOWU: I did not say that you lay hands.

BARNETT: Because you are being you.

ODUOLOWU: Yes. We are not saying laying hands.

BARNETT: You are being you. What do you believe in God or not.

PINSKY: Yes. Correct. Correct. And, that is my point.

BARNETT: But, saying correct. You are flawed, you are --

PINSKY: Of course I am.

BARNETT: You make mistakes and we cannot trust every single thing that you always say.

PINSKY: No. But -- you are right. But, not only that, playing God involves extending life needlessly. And, being frankly, I think what they

do to someone`s body when their brain is not working right, the body is kind sacred and this is a scandal we do to people`s bodies after months and

months and months. It is scandalous. You have never seen it, you do not know.

ODUOLOWU: I have seen it. I have seen it. I volunteered to hospitals. I have seen it --

PINSKY: You have seen months and months of brain death --

ODUOLOWU: I have seen people in coma -- I have seen people in comas and watched their bodies deteriorate. And, I have seen their family go there

day after day and pray and wish for a miracle. I have seen it, but it does not mean that they should stop doing it just because the expert doctor says

it is never going to get better. Who are we to tell a parent to stop --

PINSKY: Judy, this is the problem, right?

HO: That is right. I mean this is why we are having this conversation now instead of four or five months ago.

PINSKY: Yes. The state of the family --

HO: And, this is why the family is in so much pain.

PINSKY: This family drags out the misery as opposed to allowing the family to do grieving.

HO: Yes.

BARNETT: No.

HO: Yes.

BARNETT: What they did is they made sure they did everything in their power and gave it every ounce of hope and trying and everything that they

could do. They sought every professional. They went to talk to several doctors. They did everything they thought that they could do --

HO: But, they kind of ignored what they heard --

BARNETT: So, at the end of this road, they have peace.

HO: They kind of ignored what they heard from multiple doctors, which in fact --

BARNETT: You do know that.

HO: But, they did, because they got the news that she was brain dead.

PINSKY: Well, not brain dead, but she will have no probability of making a recovery.

HO: She would have no probability of making a recovery, and they still continue to keep her live.

ODUOLOWU: But, of course for Hippocratic oath was first do no harm. Taking away someone`s hope is harmful.

PINSKY: No.

ODUOLOWU: Let them hope.

HO: That is actually not true. Giving them false hope is harmful.

ODUOLOWU: No. No. They knew that she is going to die, but they wanted her to die on their terms. Well, you let her die on your terms.

HO: It actually make it worse, because the body deteriorates and it is very, very frustrating.

PINSKY: Listen, Segun. That is exactly the point, because by not getting the families to the point where they can deal with reality, you are doing

them a disservice. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I understand why they wanted to hold on to hope for so long. She is so young.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: 22 is very young. And, you think at that age, you know, you are invincible, and so why would not it be possible

that a miracle would happen; but, on the other hand, my mom died. She was in a coma, and we decided to not put her on life support, because we knew

that the brain damage would just not be a good quality of life for her.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, I feel like they kept her on for so long on life support, and they should have taken her off and dealt with

it that way.

PINSKY: That is right. But your point is well taken, because young people do survive, but they end up in these horrible --

HO: Right.

PINSKY: -- sort of vegetative or destroyed states that I -- I would not wish that on anybody. We are going to keep this going.

Later on, a woman killed herself after she is arrested for a traffic violation, we think. The state trooper is being blamed for her death.

Back after this.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN, DAUGHTER OF WHITNEY HOUSTON AND BOBBY BROWN: It is not easy looking down at the ground and knowing that, that woman that gave

birth to you is gone.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Acting is definitely a place of refuge for me.

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PATRICIA "PAT" HOUSTON, WHITNEY HOUSTON`S SISTER-IN-LAW: She was so happen when she was working on Tyler Perry`s "For Better or For Worse." I think

being focused on her acting career is definitely going to help her with her grieving.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN (singing): I hate to turn up out of the blue uninvited, but I could not stay away. I could not fight it. I hoped that

you would see my face and that you would be reminded that for me, it is not over, yeah.

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PINSKY: So tragic. You are looking at a video of Bobbi Kristina posted on Twitter in 2011. Back with Judy, Vanessa, Segun, Areva, and Sunny Hostin,

CNN Legal Analyst is now with me. Sunny, you have been with the family the entire way, how are they doing?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, they are grieving. They are certainly in mourning, Dr. Drew. I think that while they expected this was

going to happen, that is why they moved her to hospice. I do not think you can ever truly prepare for something like this.

[21:15:01] My understanding is that the funeral -- what they are calling the home coming -- going, rather, is going to be on Saturday. And, so they

are certainly preparing for that, but they are deeply, deeply in mourning and grieving.

PINSKY: I am sure. And, did I hear a rumor that she was transported to Illinois to see one final neurologist or something? Is that true or is

that just a rumor I heard?

HOSTIN: Well, I -- it is true that BOBBY BROWn wanted her to travel to Chicago, to travel to Illinois for sort of this last ditch effort. I will

tell you that many in the family were opposed to that, but as her father, he certainly felt that, that is something that should be done.

Some folks in the family thought that, that perhaps accelerated the end, but it is something that he felt was important to do. My understanding is

also that he was also was not in the hospice when she passed away. And, I am sure that, that is going to be very difficult for him. He was in the

Atlanta area, but he was not in the room when she passed away.

PINSKY: That may have been intentional too. You know what I mean? Not intentional, in the sense of something sinister. Intentional, in the sense

that he is just too overwhelming. He is preparing in his own way, but let us not pass judgment. This man has suffered. I do not care what you say

about this guy. This guy has suffered, Judy.

HO: Right. He has gone through a lot of loss, in the period of three years.

PINSKY: Oh my goodness.

HO: In his immediate family, the people that he loves. And, to add to that, everybody is blaming him for this happening to both Whitney and his

daughter.

PINSKY: I am going to give you a look at the initial autopsy findings. Here they are. Quote, "The autopsy does not show any obvious underlying

cause of death." Meaning, there is no other medical condition other than what is called hypoxic brain injury.

"No significant injuries were noted. No previous unknown medical conditions that could have contributed were identified. Additional

laboratory test will be formed." Sunny, tell us about this autopsy and Nick Gorden. We were speculating before we brought you in here. What do

you know about that?

HOSTIN: Well, my understanding is, that yes, they wanted to make sure that she went to the coroner, that she went to the medical examiner. This

autopsy was very important to the family. However, Dr. Drew, from the beginning, and I told you this in January, the family has been very

concerned about any potential role Nick Gordon played in this tragedy.

They did not feel that he was being cooperative with them. They did not feel that he was answering their questions. I was also told that when

Bobbi Christina arrived at the hospital, she was missing teeth. She had some sort of injuries on her body. They did not feel that he had the

appropriate answers that they were looking for.

And, they have been very suspicious of him for quite some time. They were suspicious of his behavior prior to the time she was turning 21 years old,

because that was when she was going to inherit some of the money. They were concerned about his intentions then.

PINSKY: Yes. Geez.

HOSTIN: They were certainly concerned about what happened that day, and that is important, because that is why I believe that he was not allowed to

see her in the hospital. They kept him from her from -- kept him from her. And remember, even in her last days at the hospice, they would not allow

Nick Gordon to be near her, because they are very, very suspicious of his role in this.

PINSKY: Yes. And, he certainly was not helpful, that is for sure. I want to remind people that the teeth thing, again could have been caused by

this. It is an endotracheal tube. They put this in when they are trying to resuscitate somebody. Knocking teeth out with the instrument we used to

put it down there is not all uncommon.

I also want to show you Whitney Houston`s cousin, Dionne Warwick, who appeared on Bravo`s "Watch What Happens Live" just hours after we had

learned that Bobbi Kristina had died.

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DIONNE WARWICK, WHITNEY HOUSTON`S COUSIN: She was a sweetheart. She will be missed, that is for sure.

ANDY COHEN, HOST OF BRAVO`S "WATCH WHAT HAPPENS LIVE" PROGRAM: Yes.

WARWICK: And, she was a good girl. She was a good little girl. She really was. She is in much better hands now.

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PINSKY: Vanessa, do you think this is a relief for the family? Both of you, two, look very upset about this. Tell me what is going on now.

BARNETT : Yes. I think it is relief. It is a sense of peace. They know she is in a better place. They believe in God. They have faith, so they

know she is in heaven. They know that the pain is gone.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: And, there is peace there. And, so, I think this family will band together and that I believe, Segun said was the miracle, that these --

both sides of these families came together in the end and were actually cordial. They were actually there for each other. That in and of, it

itself, is a miracle.

ODUOLOWU: And, Vanessa is right. I have been preaching that, that the miracle does not have to be linear, that she wakes up out of the bed and is

better. That there is more for us to understand in the way the miracle could possibly were. But, what bothered me is that --

PINSKY: I, by the way, have no problem with that.

ODUOLOWU: OK.

PINSKY: I am with you on that.

ODULOWU: Then we are on the same page.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: There is enough blame to go around to all of these adults.

HO: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: A 22-year-old -- and she is 22 now, but when all of this happened she was still a teenager. There is enough blame.

PINSKY: Right.

HO: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: Adults dropped the ball. And, you know what? I am sorry, I do not care how much Bobby Brown is grieving, that is your little girl. You

need to be a better dad. That is your little girl that died the same way her mother did, that you darn near prostituted out on that reality T.V.

show when she was a little girl who could not say no.

PINSKY: Did he do that? Oh, is that true?

ODUOLOWU: Yes.

BARNETT: But, they were both in bad states.

HO: Right.

[21:20:00] BARNETT: Bobby and Whitney were not --

ODUOLOWU: I get it. Listen.

HO: I feel like we are passing some judgment on like what is appropriate and inappropriate grieving. And, there is really no one way, right?

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: Everybody grieves differently. Some people do go to alcohol and drugs like what --

ODUOLOWU: What about appropriate parenting?

HO: I am not saying that, that is appropriate. I am just saying that people grieve in different ways, and sometimes when their mind cannot take

it, they go to these places and escape.

ODUOLOWU: So, like Bobby Brown going on stage and performing on a concert, that is an appropriate way to grieve?

BARNETT: No. That is work.

HO: No. There is no way to say that it is appropriate or not.

ODUOLOWU: Sure, work.

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HO: No.

PINSKY: We are working on getting Kevin Frazier. Do we have him on the phone, guys in the control room? We almost had him. He is the host of the

"Entertainment Tonight." He is there with the family. -- we just lost him.

All right. Areva, is anything Sunny said to you of any surprise? I mean, you know, in other words, we got all this stuff swirling around Nick Gordon

Why did -- my question I guess would be, why did not they begin in an assault or battery charge earlier than they upgrade to murder? Why wait

until the child -- the woman dies and then give him a murder charge?

MARTIN: Well, we do not know what evidence and information they had before the lawsuit was filed by the conservator for Bobbi Christina.

PINSKY: Because of the civil suit, though.

MARTIN: The civil suit, but we do not know. When did they learn about this Domestic violence. You know, Dr. Drew, that often domestic violence

is secretive right to a person who is doing it, does not want anyone to know --

PINSKY: Well, neither does the object of it.

MARTIN: Bobbi was isolated from her family, that he had cut off, that Nick Gordon had cut her off from her family. So, it is quite possible that she

was trying, and we are hearing she was trying to tell someone. She was trying to get out of the relationship before the tragedy occurred.

PINSKY: Let me bring in Kevin Frazier. We have him now. He is on the phone. Kevin, you with me?

KEVIN FRAZIER, HOST OF "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT" SHOW: Drew, I am here with you.

PINSKY: Hey, thank you for joining us. I do appreciate it.

FRAZIER: No problem.

PINSKY: You are from "Entertainment Tonight." And, you have been with the family --

FRAZIER: Yes, yes, yes.

PINSKY: How are they doing? What is the plan? What is happening?

FRAZIER: I mean everyone is devastated. I mean, you know, you have to remember. Everybody looked at the fame side of -- remember this is

someone`s niece, you know?

PINSKY: Yes.

FRAZIER: Whitney`s someone`s sister. And, sometimes, we just stop and get out of that old --

PINSKY: Yes.

FRAZIER: -- fame game and look at the people, because behind it, it is just people.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: You are absolutely right. I mean that is what I said. That is what concerned me, actually, about her care in the first place. It seemed

like she was getting sort of special care, special consideration that people were anxious about it. Look, give her the standard care. The

standard is the best. Nick Gordon, are they going to allow him to come to the funeral, do you know?

FRAZIER: You know what? That is a good question. I wonder if he will be available to attend, you know?

PINSKY: Yes.

FRAZIER: He may not be -- I wonder if he will be available.

PINSKY: I hope not. I hope he is in treatment somewhere. That will be good news for him.

MARTIN: Right.

FRAZIER: Well, treatment or -- wherever else, yes.

PINSKY: Kevin, you may not be able to speak to this. But, my understanding is that you were there at the very end. Can you tell us what

went down? How this went? You heard about what had happened just after hours, I guess?

FRAZIER: Right.

PINSKY: Yes. Go ahead.

FRAZIER: Right. You know, and you have to remember. Throughout this whole thing, the one consistent caregiver there has been has been Pat

Houston. She has been there from the beginning. She was there in the middle and she was there in the end. And, so, she actually was at the

hospital before Chris even arrived.

And, you know, it was packed. It was her sister-in-law Donna. It was also Anita Brown and another lady-- they called in Pat`s brother Ray Watson, and

everyone began to pray, that they knew the end was near, and then they -- And then Pat read from the 23rd Psalm, and Krissy took her last breath.

And, it was a beautiful peaceful moment with the women who had taken care of her, because those ladies were there all the time. They bathed Krissy.

They would oil her down. They do her hair. And, so they were the ones who were there as the consistent caregivers and they were there in the end.

PINSKY: Kevin, thank you so much and Sunny thank you as well. Listen, that should give us all solace. That should give us all pause too, that

this woman had caretakers all the way to the end. People who deeply cared about her, deeply loved her.

Yes, she was gone. Yes, this was a tragedy, but -- and I am going to -- I am going to acquiesce on behalf of those aunts, and the women that were

there taking care of her that they had the opportunity to do the care taking at the end of her life, giving her a chance to have a peaceful and

dignified death.

Next up, a woman apparently commits suicide after she is arrested. But, the blame is on the man, who put on the cuffs. We will talk about that

after this.

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OFFICER ENCINIA: Put your hands behind your back and turn around.

BLAND: Why am I being arrested?

OFFICER ENCINIA: Turn around.

BLAND: Why cannot you tell me, why?

OFFICER ENCINIA: I am giving you a lawful order. I will tell you.

BLAND: Why am I being arrested? Tell me what is going on.

OFFICER ENCINIA: You are not complying.

BLAND: I am not complying because you just pulled me out of my car.

OFFICER ENCINIA: Turn around!

BLAND: Are you (EXPLETIVE WORD) kidding me? This is some (EXPLETIVE WORD).

OFFICER ENCINIA: Put your hand behind your back.

BLAND: You are about to break my wrist. Can you stop.

OFFICER ENCINIA: Stop moving.

BLAND: You are about to (EXPLETIVE WORD) break my wrist. Stop! Stop!

OFFICER ENCINIA: Stop moving. Stop! Now!

BLAND: You are such a (EXPLETIVE WORD). You are such a (EXPLETIVE WORD).

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PINSKY: That was dash cam video of Sandra Bland`s arrest, we had edited it for time. Back with Judy, Vanessa, Segun and Areva. The Sandra Bland

tragedy has taken on a life of its own on Twitter.

First, it seems as though if you do anything other than indict the police, you get attacked and now there is this. And, by the way, I am going to ask

this question, am I racist? Seriously?

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BARNETT: I do not know, are you?

ODUOLOWY: I do not know what you say off air. No, I am joking.

HO: I like how everyone paused. Why were there hesitations?

BARNETT: No, I do not think you are --

PINSKY: No. I appreciate.

ODUOLOWU: No. I do not think you are --

PINSKY: I may need to get straightened out sometimes. Right? Sometimes - -

BARNETT: Absolutely.

PINSKY: I am delighted to be. I am happy to be, because I am not perfect. I need to be brought on -- you know, I am an ally, yes?

ODUOLOWU: Yes.

PINSKY: OK. Well, on Twitter, I am --

ODUOLOWU: I love the black people --

PINSKY: No, but I mean --

HO: Oh my gosh. People are attacking you?

PINSKY: Oh my gosh. And, then now there is this, an abundance of tweets alleging that she was already dead in her mug shot. Here, they are saying

that she was dead in this picture, Vanessa. What is going on?

BARNETT: I have not heard that.

PINSKY: By the way, that is not what a dead person looks like. That is not. Dead people, they have dysconjugate gaze. Their pupils are not --

they do not look like that.

BARNETT: Right.

PINSKY: They are not focused. Their eyes do not look that way at all.

BARNETT: Right. I have seen that. I did not believe it when I saw it. I did see the theories. I did see people questioning it. I do believe when

you look at her eyes, you do not see much. But, I think it is because she is drained. She is emotionally drained, physically drained.

I think she had been through a lot. I will not say she was dead at that time. But, I think at this point especially the black community, it is all

about -- just make sure you know what is going on and the story that you are being said versus the stories that are actually accurate. And, so,

yes, there is a --

PINSKY: What does it mean?

BARNETT: -- well, there is a hashtag.

PINSKY: No, no, no, but I mean what are we being fed versus what is not?

ODUOLOWY: Well, because it happens too often in our community for us to be spoon fed like she died in custody. Why is it that black people always

seem to die in the custody of the police? Like why are we always the ones that are dying at the hands of over aggressive police officers?

And, so, when you see -- when you have any type of story -- and listen, I do not think that she was dead in the mugshot. I pray that she was not.

To me that would be so sinister and so evil.

But, when you can even postulate that, and it gain momentum, that should tell you just how far the divide is between the races and what we feel the

police are actually doing, protect and serve? Stop killing us in your custody.

PINSKY: Let me get an audience participate. Here we go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think the cop was doing his job. And, he knew she was under the influence.

BARNETT: She was under the influence? --

PINSKY: Ooh. OK. And, we got people want to comment on that?

BARNETT: I am sorry, what is that?

ODUOLOWU: What does that mean, she was under the influence?

BARNETT: What does that have to do with --

ODUOLOWU: What did she -- how did she display that she was under the influence?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: He knows the signs, but that was also his dash cam that was recording it. And, I think it was the media lately

is all, you know, racial issues with the cops. He would not have done that with his dash cam. I think he has done under --

BARNETT: No --

ODUOLOWU: No, when he said, "I will light you up," that meant exactly what to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I did not actually see that part.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: Oh, so, you have not seen the whole tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have not seen the whole tape.

ODUOLOWU: OK. You were just saying that he was doing his job, but you had not seen the whole footage?

BARNETT: And, what part of that was his job. What did she get pulled over for? Why did she need to be dragged out of her car?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I understand that --

BARNETT: What do you think that she did that was illegal?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Because she did not signal, and that is a legitimate reason to pull --

BARNETT: You should be pulled out of your car, slammed to the ground, arrested and murdered?

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Hang on. Hang on. She did not ask --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE APPLAUDING: That only mean she was under the influence at that point.

PINSKY: She did not ask -- You can fight with me.

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: This is a conversation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE APPLAUDING: We are having a conversation.

PINSKY: All right. She will go with it.

(CROSSTALK)

BARNETT: I want to know when you saw her and he is yelling at her, and all she says she did not want to put out her cigarette in her own car. At what

point do you think it is OK that he use aggressive force, scream at her, pull her out of the car, slammed her head into the ground, arrest her

aggressively, take her to jail, and then she ends up dead, at what point is that his job?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Did he ask her to get out of the car and she refused to?

BARNETT: For a cigarette? --

ODUOLOWU: No. Wait.

BARNETT: You do not have to get out of the car for a cigarette.

ODUOLOWU: But, actually, she asked why.

BARNETT: And, that is OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: That is what jacked. She can ask why --

PINSKY: Let me ask Areva. What if the cop says, "You have to get out of the car," you have to get out of the car, right?

MARTIN: Once the officer gives you a lawful order you should follow a lawful order. I think that probably in this case --

PINSKY: But -- You have to follow order or not?

MARTIN: You should follow a lawful order given by the police, but the problem is --

PINSKY: Because they can keep going, right?

MARTIN: Well, yes. And they have the power to arrest you --

PINSKY: OK.

MARTIN: -- which is what happened in this case. But the problem in this case is, was that order lawful? She is smoking in her car. Obviously, no

threat to him. To be lawful he had to have a reasonable belief that she was a threat to him.

And, there is nothing in that video to suggest that she was a threat. And, he was instigating. You know, he was not investigating. He was trying to

rile her up. He was trying to get her excited. This is a woman who knew her rights. She was educated. She was an activist. She had been very

involved in the police, you know, cases that have been --

PINSKY: Really? She was? You know that?

(CROSSTALK)

BARNETT: Yes.

MARTIN: She knew her rights. She talked about --

PINSKY: Wow.

MARTIN: What are your rights if you get stopped by the police? So, that is why she asked very intelligent questions.

HO: Well, that is what so ironic, Dr. Drew, because she has been this activist --

PINSKY: That is terrible.

HO: She has been very active in the last seven months --

PINSKY: I did not know.

HO: -- leading up to this. But, there were some facts. There was some traces of marijuana in her blood -- you know --

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: In her blood test.

PINSKY: Yes, but just to be fair.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUOLOWU: It is west Hollywood.

PINSKY: Right. Just to be fair. It were high levels -- thank goodness, because that might have dampened things a little bit, you know what I mean?

HO: Well, that is the other thing. And, then she is a little bit confused about, you know, she reported that she was on anti-seizure medication, then

in another report she said she was not. But, in a third report, she said she was. And, to be fair, a lot of anti-seizure medications can cause

depression and some suicidal thoughts too. There are a lot of issues here.

MARTIN: We are not clear that she was confuse. all we know is that the records are inconsistent. We do not know if they recorded the information

correctly or not. So, I do not think we can jump to that conclusion that she was confused. We do not know if proper procedures were followed in

that jail.

PINSKY: Yes, sir. One question, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think there is some credence to the theory that she was murdered. Did you notice that she is wearing an orange

jumpsuit? She just got booked. You do not wear an orange jumpsuit as soon as you are booked.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: There is something wrong right there.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: What happened? She was in jail -- not prison but jail for three days.

HO: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: If you are booked you get a mugshot before you get put in an orange jumpsuit.

PINSKY: She was three days in jail.

BARNETT: Well, that is --

(CROSSTALK)

ODUOLOWU: The musgshot is before --

PINSKY: I understand.

ODUOLOWU: But, Areva, can I ask you one question?

MARTIN: Absolutely.

[21:35:00] ODUOLOWU: Why is it always when it is a black victim, that it is a campaign to vilify, she was on marijuana, she was belligerent, she was

rude, she was this. Why are we almost trying to almost shame the victim here. This woman was in police custody. Their job is to protect and

serve. Why did she wind up dead?

PINSKY: Hold on. Hold on. You are going to answer that after the break. I also would sort of refrain that as, whenever I ask questions like that

about non-African-Americans, I am told, "Oh, you are excusing them. You are giving them an excuse to get away with these things."

So, there is another frame that goes -- we are so primitive in thinking about these things. We are just trying to understand it, buddy. We will

continue the conversation. Later, we will tell you, which city is the world`s most adulterous. Back after this.

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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:40:00] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BLAND: I know it makes you feel real good. You are a real man now. You just slammed me, knocked my head in the ground. I got epilepsy you mother

(EXPLETIVE WORD).

OFFICER ENCINIA: Good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TROOPER: You should have thought about that before you start resisting.

BLAND: Right. All right, yeah. This is real good. Real good for a female. Yeah.

OFFICER ENCINIA: I want you to wait right here. Wait right here.

BLAND: I cannot go nowhere with your (EXPLETIVE WORD) knee on my back. Duh!

OFFICER ENCINIA: You need to leave. You need to leave.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE PASSERBY: I cannot hear you.

OFFICER ENCINIA: You need to leave.

BLAND: All of this for a traffic signal. I swear to God. All of this for a traffic signal. Thank you for recording.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Video on the right was from the passerby. He recorded the arrest on the cell phone. Of course, we are talking about the controversy that

has erupted in the wake of Sandra Bland`s death ruled at this point is suicide at this point. Back with my panel and our live audience. Areva, I

am going to give you a chance to answer Segun`s challenge. Why?

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MARTIN: I think it is a microcosm of a bigger issue of the racial disparities that exist in the criminal justice system. That is it. Just

plain and simple. African-Americans documented, treated differently in the criminal justice system.

But, I think it is important in this case to know that even though the shares are very definitive in their statements that this is a suicide, the

District Attorney in the same press conference with the share did not reach that conclusion.

He said there is still lots to investigate about this case, and in fact has composed this panel of defense attorneys and other prosecutors and experts

to continue their investigation. And, he said, we are going to investigate this like it is a murder case.

BARNETT: Absolutely.

MARTIN: So, that has not been definitively decided by that district attorney.

PINSKY: You know what is more disturbing, I was explaining to -- we were talking about this during the break. And, for Judy and I, what is more

disturbing almost anything for us as clinicians, it is scandalous frankly that if indeed this was a suicide, that they left her alone with material

she could use to hung herself.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: That they did not pick up, that somebody was that disturbed, that they needed some mental health services. I mean that is scandalous.

MARTIN: Yes. We learned, Dr. Drew, that her cell -- the person in the cell next to her said that Sandra Bland cried incessantly while she is

there. So, if she could hear that crying --

Ho: Right.

MARTIN: -- you have to imagine that some of those workers, some of the employees, some of the people that worked in that jail, would have heard

her weeping like that and would have taken some more affirmative steps.

PINSKY: See that is -- Do you guys get how serious that is? To me that is an absolute indictment on the system. The system -- the law enforcement --

the incarceration system has become our mental health delivery system.

HO: Right.

BARNETT: Right.

ODUOLOWU: Where they killed her or they allowed it to happen.

PINSKY: Well, either -- Listen. From the clinician standpoint, I understand them worrying about it being murder. That is inexcusable --

almost unimaginable to be, but OK. But the fact that they missed this is scandalous in and of, itself.

HO: Right. And, the fact that it was so public like Areva said, it is documented -- Somebody in the neighboring cell can hear how long she was

crying, and yet she may have been ignored, she was not gotten evaluation. She was not given proper treatment --

(CROSSTALK)

ODUOLOWU: I mean Eric Garner in New York got choked out in broad daylight. They shot a guy in St. Louis and let him in the street to die. Why is it

unfathomable to people that police can do this?

PINSKY: In the system, they are supposed to maintain people`s rights and privileges. I understand there is question --

ODUOLOWU: In South Carolina, a cop shot a guy on tape, and then tried to frame him by kicking a taser by his lifeless body. Why is it unfathomable

--

BARNETT: Oh, my god -- this should not happen.

ODUOLOWU: Gosh, the cops should never do that.

PINSKY: Let me play, Mike Catherwood, of course, he is usually on this panel, said during last Wednesday`s show. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, CO-HOST OF "LOVE LINE" AND KABC RADIO: I had really bad run in. I got my nose broken, you know, by police officers, and, you

know, I was yelling at a cop. You know, I was yelling at a cop and screaming at him.

PINSKY: They smashed you?

CATHERWOOD: Yes. I was already handcuffed and had gone thrown down on the ground -- so, my face on the ground. And -- Look, that is terrible. But,

I kind of dug my own grave, pardon the pun this young lady has passed now. But, you know, everyone talks about how this cop escalated this situation.

I do not see that happen at all. I see her escalating the situation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: So, he is echoing what our audience member said a minute ago. Let us go to this gentleman. Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, when I was in college, we had to read a lot about apartheid. And, there was several dozens, if not hundreds

of cases where these activists would be arrested and "Oh, my goodness what a coincidence. How convenient, they killed themselves in their jail cell."

And, they just screams about it now. "Oh, we find marijuana in her." I am 24 years old, I know lots of people use marijuana.

PINSKY: What? You are kidding?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I know.

PINSKY: I am shocked. I cannot believe it. I cannot believe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I know, in California, can you believe it?

PINSKY: Most of our audience is high right now. Come on, now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Exactly. And, they do not want to kill themselves.

PINSKY: No. No. Exactly. And, if anything, they are less violent. Less aggressive.

(CROSSTALK)

BARNETT: It is a smear campaign and they want to drag her name through the mud. And, what is upsetting to me is how often just like Mike said, "Oh, I

dug my own grave. I deserved this." There cannot be a separate standard of rules for black people and brown people when you get arrested.

I -- because I have, quote, unquote, "Aptitude" does not mean you get to treat me like crap and then kill me in a jail cell, like that is not OK.

And, if that is what you are thinking. If that is the way you think that when you should behave better and you may get to live, you are in fact the

problem.

[21:45:02] PINSKY: Well, I do not believe -- we really have to believe that --

ODUOLOWU: Areva, you know, we have to --

MARTIN: The issue is, Dr. Drew, there is a standard for police called constitutional policing.

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: So, they are about 900,000 law enforcement agents in the United States. There are 300 million people. It is a lot easier to train those

law enforcement officers how to do constitutional policing than to try to reach the 300 million people and teach them, you know, what a traffic stop

should look like. That guy that stopped Sandra Bland, he was trained. He should have known how to de-escalate that situation. His own superiors

said he would -- this was a bad stop.

PINSKY: Right. He was suspended. He was suspended, right?

ODUOLOWU: Thank you.

HO: Right.

MARTIN: He is placed on desk duty. He is placed on administrative duty. And, they pointed out several errors and flaws in the way he handled that

traffic stop. So, it is not just, you know, African-Americans being upset. This is his own, you know, department saying --

HO: But, I think the problem, is the fact that --

PINSKY: Hang on. Real quick, yes sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I see these cops are consumed by evil. They look for evil.

PINSKY: Evil? OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: They are consumed by evil. They were looking for it. They project it. They got attitudes. This cop had a bad

attitude. He was looking for trouble. He was escalating as she said.

PINSKY: Judy.

HO: Yes. There is a flaw in our training system, Dr. Drew. There is not a nationwide protocol for how to train police officers to de-escalate.

And, to be fair in their evaluation of police officer candidates, they look for people who are aggressive, who make these types of actions under

pressure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes.

PINSKY: We will leave it.

HO: And, that is the problem.

PINSKY: We got to leave it. I am sure it is not the last we will hear over these types of conversations, and unfortunately that is probably the

case.

Next, there are more cheaters in -- this is quite a turn. More cheaters in this city than any other. We will tell you where this city is. We are

back after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Time for our "Click Fix," where the guests telling me what is trending on your social media accounts. Back with Judy, Vanessa, Segun,

and it is Judy first.

HO: OK. Well, Caitlyn Jenner has this new docu series called "I Am Cait."

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: And, it debuted last night --

PINSKY: Who is this Caitlin Jenner first as you speak? Never heard of her.

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: Never.

HO: I know. For anybody who has been under a rock. The series follows Caitlyn Jenner`s transition from male to female. And, there is just really

great clip, I want you guys to see. There was a scene where his 89-year- old mother --

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: --sees Caitlyn dressed as a woman for the first time. So watch this.

PINSKY: Wow.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAITLYN JENNER, TRANSGENDER FORMER BRUCE JENNER: It is kind of tough to tell your mother all these secrets. You always have doubts in your mind of

how that first impression is going to work out. You want it to be so good. She has never met Caitlyn, and I am just hoping for the best.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAITLYN JENNER: Oh, God, here we go.

ESTHER JENNER, CAITLYN JENNER`S MOTHER: There you are.

CAITLYN JENNER: Now, everybody, it is OK. It is OK. Hello, mom.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTHER JENNER: I never knew. I never guessed you were having a problem.

CAITLYN JENNER: I know.

ESTHER JENNER: You hid it very well.

CAITLYN JENNER: I did. I was a professional at hiding it.

(LAUGHING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTHER JENNER: I love you so much. I always had and I always will. It is -- it is a lot of getting used to.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTHER JENNER: Of course. It is a surprise.

CAITLYN JENNER: But I will.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Wow! Looking forward to that.

HO: Well, you know, people really love her. They think that she is this great example of unconditional love and that she is really trying to

understand her son, now a daughter, and her reaction was very genuine but not judgmental at all.

PINSKY: Segun, you are next.

ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, "New York Magazine" just released its new cover and the images has gone viral. It features 35 women, who say they were

sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby. Each woman is seated on a stool in the same pose with the white backdrop.

There is also a sole empty chair symbolizing the women, who remained silent. The headline reads, "Cosby, the women and unwelcome sisterhood."

The cover has been called, quote, "A stunning statement of unity." A spokesman for Bill Cosby told CNN, that they have no comment.

PINSKY: Wow. I mean -- and still people are coming to Bill Cosby`s defense in very strange way. Today, I got into an argument with a guy on

the radio, who said that these women were all being paid off and it was some conspiracy, because he is a conservative, and therefore was -- I

cannot -- people, everybody, come on.

BARNETT: Yes, crazy.

PINSKY: Everybody, calm down. Let us just look at the facts, and try to - - people behave in not so good ways sometimes. Let us try to understand it. Vanessa, you are next.

BARNETT: Yes. I have a crappy story.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Thank God.

BARNETT: I hate this story so much. I am very honest in that. I hate the story because, because it is AshleyMadison.com, and it is for those

cheatin` skally wags out there, you should not be cheating on your spouse. Anyway, do not cheat.

PINSKY: But, listen, they are being extorted --

BARNETT: Right. They got hacked and it is -- so, Ashley Madison got hacked. The group that is responsible for it, are claiming responsibility.

PINSKY: So, Vanessa says they are her hero?

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: They are my hero.

PINSKY: No. No. No. To release the information? They do not just cheat. Karma, this is what happens.

ODUOLOWU: But it takes two to cheat. It takes two to cheat.

BARNETT: This is the interesting part, one thing that we have learned now, is that Ottawa, Canada is the infidelity capital of the world.

PINSKY: Ottawa?

BARNETT: Who knew? There is not nothing else to do in Ottawa but to cheat on your boo.

PINSKY: Wow. It is Canadian. I have a weird feeling about this.

BARNETT: You got to watch this.

PINSKY: All right.

BARNETT: It will give you all the details. Here we go.

PINSKY: Let us see.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN OLIVER, ENGLISH COMEDIAN/TELEVISION HOST: 190,000. If that was somehow true, that is one in five people in Ottawa. That is half the

married population there. So, if you live in Ottawa, look to your left, look to your right, both of those people are on AshleyMadison.com, and so

are you. That is a fact.

(LAUGHING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Thank you, John Oliver and thank you Vanessa.

BARNETT: Yes.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Next, we have -- the stories we have tonight and the turns we have to announcing them. This is a terrible story of a woman who gets -- tries

to save her little boy and gets herself stuck in this escalator. It is really something awful.

HO: Oh no.

PINSKY: We are back with that story after this.

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[21:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: All right. Warning, we have this video from a mall in China. It is difficult to watch. It is the final moment of a heroic mother`s life.

She is on an escalator with a young son. They reached the top. A metal panel collapses. She tosses her son to safety, and she falls into the

shaft and dies there.

Workers try for four hours to reach her. Official say, maintenance had been done on the escalator, but workers forgot to secure the access cover.

So, that is that story. But, it is lining social media right now.

Before we go, taking another turn, thank you panel. I got to give our heartfelt congratulations to our producer and much love co-worker -- he and

his wife, Jean, had their son, first child over the weekend.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

So, we are ending on a very positive note. There you are. Look at them. Please DVR us, then you can watch us any time. Remember, stay tuned for

CNN spotlight on Whitney Houston. That is up following this, of course it reveals the tragedy of her daughter. It begins right now.

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