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[15:00:03] MAX FOSTER, HOST: Tonight Turkey wades further into the anti- terror campaign.


FOSTER: But ISIS isn't the only target. Why NATO is being called in - called on to help.

Chinese stocks plunge and drag the world markets down with them. Then the U.S. President minces no words on his African tour calling out his host

country's human rights record (and to crying) some politicians, back home as well.

Plus hackers may need nothing more than a phone number to hack some Android devices. We'll tell you what users can do to protect their phones.


FOSTER: Hello, I'm Max Foster, live from CNN London and this is The World Right Now.

We begin with Turkey's aggressive turn against ISIS as well as a second operation it has launched against Kurdish militants.


FOSTER: As Ankara deploys its forces on two fronts a meeting of NATO Ambassadors it requested will be held tomorrow in Brussels. Turkey has

launched strikes against ISIS in Syria and has given the U.S. led coalition access to its airbases.

A short time ago we spoke with a key U.S. official involved in the fight against ISIS.

BRETT MCGURK, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: We're all working towards a political transition process in Syria that there is no military solution to the Syria

conflict, I think that is something that we share.

Military operations will be against ISIL, that is something that we very much have agreed with Turkey about, we have discussed this in quite depth

with them. Their statements have also been very clear that their very concerned and focused on the threat of ISIL on their border.


FOSTER: Well that's the operation against ISIS but a second one against Kurdish militants isn't as cut and dry shall we say.

Arwa Damon joins us now live from Istanbul. Complex is the word on this one right?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It certainly is complex. It has the potential to be incredibly messy and potentially very

bloody. But Turkey most certainly is right now taking a very aggressive stance on more than one front.


DAMON: The sidelines are no longer an option. Turkey cannot afford to maintain its controversial albeit cautious approach to this Syrian war

raging next door.

SINAN ULGEN, CARNEGIE EUROPE: There has been a re-assessment in Ankara that this policy cannot continue in order for Turkey to be able to

preserver and to maintain its own regional influence it had to be part in a much more visible concrete way in the entire coalition.

DAMON: Turkey is now bombing ISIS targets and after lengthy negotiations with Washington conceded on some of its positions such as demanding strikes

on the Assad regime and agreed to open Turkish bases and airspace to U.S. Aircraft to create not a no-fly zone but a so called ISIS free zone.

ULGEN: The weakness of this plan is essentially about who is going to be on the ground to protect this zone off - this zone free of ISIS.

DAMON: And can Turkey protect its own population against ISIS retaliation? Some people even stopped taking the Istanbul Metro after unsubstantiated

reports that certain stations would be targeted.

Turkey also re-opened the front with its domestic battle against PKK, the Kurdistan Workers' Party which it deems a terrorist organization, a move

that severely heightened tensions between the Kurds and the Turks. Tensions that in the past three decades have claimed some 40,000 lives.

Turkey needs to ensure that it has the capital to launch this multi-pronged contentus anti-terrorism campaign calling on fellow NATO members to convene

a special meeting of the alliance on Tuesday.

ULGEN: What Turkey wants to do with this is essentially two things; one is to communicate to its alias the new security environment, its new threat

assessment after its decision to become a much more visible and active player in the anti-ISIS coalition.

And secondly it wants to get the political backing within NATO for what it's called its campaign against terrorism which on the one hand includes

ISIS and on the other hand the PKK.


DAMON: These are all very intricate maneuvers Max in the regional game of chess, ones that may help to diminish ISIS' capabilities although not

necessarily defeat the terrorist organization. This is not a game changer when it comes to the broader war on ISIS but it most certainly is a change

in how the game is being played by Turkey, Max.

FOSTER: Very interesting, more on that later in the program as well. Analysis from an expert from the region.

[15:05:05] Now volatility is back on the Chinese markets meanwhile. Monday has seen the biggest sell-off in eight years.


FOSTER: The Flagship Shanghai Composite Index closed down 8.5%, the tech heavy Shenzhen lost 7%. Take a look at this chart though; it shows you how

the Shanghai Composite shot up roughly 150% in a year but in June the bubble burst and the big sell-off started.

The Chinese government stepped in after a raft of measures stemmed the losses until Monday.


FOSTER: So what's the reason behind the latest sell-off in China and what effect is it having on the U.S. market?

Let's go to New York where CNN money correspondent, Paul La Monica, is standing by.

Was there a lack of faith in what the Chinese authorities were able to do Paul?

PAUL LA MONICA, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: It does appear that that's the case Max. You did note that we had a nice rebound in the past few weeks

following that initial plunge in June. But you did have I think now a sense that there is this slowdown in China that the government may not be

able to prevent.


LA MONICA: There were some profits from industrial companies, a report this morning that showed the profits were actually down a little bit, that

was not expected. And that seemed to make people more skittish in China once again and that's spilling over to the U.S. a little bit. Lucky for

the U.S. investors stocks are down but they're not down that dramatically.


LA MONICA: The bad news is that this follows a week of losses for the U.S. stock market so the trend is just not a good one right now.

FOSTER: Should we be, is - are the markets a bit of a distraction here? Because as you say it's off the back of those slightly worrying economic

figures coming out from China. And if China's slowing down is looking vulnerable that's the real concern here isn't it?

LA MONICA: I agree I think the fact that China is the world's second largest economy, huge trading partner of course for the United States and

Europe, that is a bit of a concern.


LA MONICA: The big question though that I think many people still aren't able to figure out, is this just a bubble that's bursting and maybe the

damage is going to be minimal and just felt in China. It could be like 2000, the dotcom bubble that burst in the United States, we had a mild

recession. If this is more like the financial crisis of 2008, that's an entirely different story. That was a worldwide global slowdown, no-one

wants a financial crisis like that.

So we're still trying to figure out which one of those two bubble burstings is it - is this most like.


FOSTER: OK, Paul, thank you very much indeed.

LA MONICA: Thank you.

FOSTER: Now let's turn to Ethiopia now where U.S. President Barack Obama held wide ranging talks with the Ethiopian Prime Minister just a few hours



FOSTER: Mr. Obama pointed out human rights abuses and governance issues to his counterpart. But security concerns topped their agenda as violence in

East Africa threatens to spiral out of control.

Ethiopian forces are playing a major role in stopping that from happening, fighting Al Shabab militants who have been terrorizing really the whole

region. For more CNN's Jim Acosta has been travelling with the President.

He joins us now live from Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa which is of course where the African union is based as well. So he's not just speaking

to that country he's speaking to the whole of Africa on this one.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right Max he absolutely is. And tomorrow he'll give a speech to the African Union.

He'll be the first U.S. President to do so and he is going to be touching on some of the themes that you mentioned; Human rights, obviously the fight

against terrorism, the fight against Al Shabab, that became very crystal clear to this President during this trip when that bombing went off in

Somalia over the weekend.

The President said today with the Ethiopian Prime Minister is that the U.S. is going to step up its efforts. As a matter of fact the White House said

earlier today that they're proposing an additional $450 million in counter- terrorism aid for this part of Africa that will have to be approved by Congress. But the President did rule out the prospect of U.S. ground

troops going into Africa to take this to Al Shabab.

The President at one point praised Ethiopian troops saying they make very good fighters and that they've been quite effective in pushing back Al


The question ultimately is how far the U.S. and these African countries are willing to go. You know, Max the other big question that they have to sort

out here is the future of south Sudan. The President had some conversations about that today earlier with some of these east African

countries who were gathered here - leaders from these East African countries who were gathered here in Ethiopia and the President will talk

about that again tomorrow in a speech to the African Union.


FOSTER: Also some conversation going on in relation to politics back home?

ACOSTA: You noticed that. That's right Max for our international viewers who aren't quite familiar with Mike Huckabee, he's a former governor of

Arkansas, ran for President back in 2008, he's running again in 2016.


ACOSTA: And over the weekend Governor Huckabee made some very inflammatory remarks suggesting that this Iran nuclear deal would lead to another

Holocaust. And he said that the President was essentially marching Israeli's to the oven. Those were the words he used. Marching to the

oven. Well you heard the President really sound off on that earlier today.

[15:10:10] The President has largely stayed out of the campaign fray in this race to replace him in 2016 but he said that Governor Huckabee's

comments would be sad if they weren't so ridiculous.

And then the President went on to go after some of the other Republican candidates in the field namely Donald Trump, really saying that John McCain

is a war hero, that he spent time as a P.O.W. Of course Donald Trump made a lot of headlines around the world when he said that the Arizona Senator

who ran against President Obama back in 2008, when he said that John McCain was not a - was not a war hero for having been a P.O.W.


ACOSTA: So, it was - it was fast and furious as far as the politics flying during that press conference today. It was another side of President Obama

that we saw at this news conference today Max, and perhaps an indication that the President may be playing more of a role of surrogate and chief in

the months to come in this campaign.

FOSTER: OK Jim, thank you very much indeed.

Still to come tonight; the U.S. issues a report on the tragedy of global human trafficking.


FOSTER: We go live to Washington as it ranks countries on how they're dealing with the crisis.

And in the republican race for the White House Donald Trump tops the poll but why? We'll here from the voters who (inaudible) support the

controversial candidate. And all that and much more when The World Right Now continues.




FOSTER: Welcome back to you. Now many of us take for granted the freedom to travel at will, make decisions for ourselves and live our lives safely

in our homes and our communities.


FOSTER: But millions of people are denied these basic human rights. The U.S. is trying to root out that injustice through its annual trafficking

and persons report. It rates countries on their efforts to fight modern day slavery.

U.S. Secretary Of State John Kerry presented the report on Tuesday.

JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Governments need to strengthen and enforce the laws that they have on the books and prosecutors must take

pride in turning today's traffickers into tomorrow's prisoners.

The private sector also needs to be a part of this effort by blowing the whistle on companies that use labor that is under age, under paid, and

under coercion.


FOSTER: Isha Sesay is covering the story for us from the U.S. State Department in Washington. She joins - she joins us now. You look at the

list, it's interesting to see the ups and downs.


A lot of movement in the ranking system this year. Let's take a look what countries changed tiers in this year's TIP Report.


SESAY: 18 countries improved and were upgraded to a higher tier this year including Cuba and Malaysia, also the Bahamas and Portugal who joined 21

other high ranking countries at tier 1.

[15:15:04] 18 countries that you can see here clearly on your screens were downgraded; they include Nicaragua, and Slovenia which moved from Tier 1

down to Tier 2.

11 countries have moved from Tier 2 to the Tier 2 Watch List. And Max 6 others were dropped to tier 3 status. Those 6 are Belarus, Belize,

Burundi, Comoros, The Marshall Islands and South Sudan. They join 17 other countries already at Tier 3 status.

According to the State Department it's important to note these countries are not in compliance with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, and are

not making efforts to improve.

Max as you see there as we go through the graphics there for our viewers, a lot of movement, but a lot of talk today about Malaysia and the fact that

they were upgraded from Tier 3 to the Tier 2 Watch List, some suggesting that that's because of Malaysia's strategic important to the United States

given that the United States has just signed a trade pack and that you know basically trade has influenced the ranking of Malaysia in this year's TIP

Report. Max?


FOSTER: Well yes, and the U.S. State Department also honoring CNN we can say at this year's Trafficking In Persons Report in terms of heroes that

had come through that as well. It came through the CNN's Freedom Project didn't it? CNN been shining the spotlight as everyone knows on modern day


Here's the U.S. Secretary of State handing the award to our Executive Vice President Tony Maddox.


JOHN KERRY: And closer to home from the United States, Mr. Tony Maddox. Mr. Maddox we congratulate you for your sustained campaign to raise public

awareness and understanding of human trafficking on a global scale. Your advocacy on behalf of victims, and your dedication to ensuring that

survivors and their stories are heard. Congratulations to you and well done.


FOSTER: What a great moment for CNN but what did Tony have to say about it Isha?

SESAY: Yes, it's always interesting to interview your boss, Max, as you well know. It was great to have him here to just really share what it

means to him personally and he's immensely proud. Tony was the impetus for the launch of the Freedom Project which has grown. It was supposed to be a

one year initiative, it's now entering its fifth year. Tony immensely proud of all the stories that have been told by the CNN Freedom Project,

but also very keen to stress that this is very much a collective effort; many people working to shine a light on modern day slavery.

Take a listen to some of what he said to me.


TONY MADDOX, CNN INTERNATIONAL EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT: Secretary Kerry mentioned today that this is a partnership and it is. There are many

different groups of different types of different places all with the same common cause; that human trafficking exists, that human slavery exists

today is awful. It is truly terrible.

And you watch CNN and the many bad things in the world but that human beings take the decision to trade other human beings and to treat them like

that is abhorrent. And we as a collective human society, a human group, we have shared values and we all need to just say this is just wrong and we're

all going to work together to stop it.


SESAY: Yes, we all need to say its wrong Max and CNN of course at the forefront of telling those stories. Also worth pointing out to our

viewers, CNN is the first media organization to be recognized by the U.S. State Department as a Trafficking IN Persons hero, so a very, very big day

for this network and for the many who work tirelessly as part of the CNN Freedom Project. Max.

FOSTER: Absolutely, thank you very much indeed Isha. And as part of that project we want to focus now on one group of people who are often

trafficked and exploited, and that's domestic workers.

Activists say many people who work in Asia receive no legal protection leaving them vulnerable to abuse.

Kristie Lu Stout brings us some of their stories but we need to warn you that her report contains some very disturbing images. Here is her Freedom

Project Report.


KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Doused in boiling water, beaten with sticks, threatened with murder, just a few examples of

the physical and mental abuse is told by migrant domestic workers in Asia and the Middle East.

A photo exhibition in Hong Kong this month taken by award winning photographer, Steve McCurry aims to expose the extent of that suffering.

(SUSI ABUSED DOMESTIC WORKER) (As translated) Every day was only four hours of sleep, she hit me everywhere on my body, my back, my face, she

also kicked me. When I worked she would yell at me. I was very scared but I couldn't escape, she wouldn't let me go out.

LU STOUT: This Indonesian worker who goes by the name Susi is profiled in the exhibit after she was repeatedly attacked and threatened by her Hong

Kong employer.

SUSI: (As translated) I was afraid of dying because I have a son waiting for me at home. I'm here in Hong Kong just to earn some money. She said

she could beat me to death and beat my family. I'm terrified so I had to listen to her. She treated me not like a human but like a slave.

LU STOUT: Susi managed to escape after a year but her employer, Mrs. Law Wan-tung went on to abuse fellow Indonesian worker, Rihanna who was

hospitalized after months of torture.

[15:20:10] Mrs. Law was later convicted of multiple charges and sentenced to six years in jail. But many other workers who face such abuse will

probably never see justice served.

ELIZABETH TANG, INTERNATIONAL DOMESTIC WORKERS FEDERATION: Domestic workers are the most vulnerable group of workers because they are

invisible, they are isolated, and they are usually from minorities or migrant communities.

LU STOUT: One victim of the exhibit, Sumasri, says she was scalded with boiling water by her Malaysian boss. Sritak said she had a searing hot

metal fork pressed into her skin while working in Taiwan. In Saudi Arabia (Inaudible) says that she was hit in the head with a metal pipe and left

permanently blind.

Another victim now known as (Pavichra) was raped and made pregnant by her employer in Oman. Then jailed for seduction for five months.

KAREN EMMONS, EXHIBITION PRODUCER: The horrors that they have gone through I wanted people to know. I wanted to reach out to people who can make a

difference and to reach out maybe to employers to tell them somebody's watching.

LU STOUT: Focusing attention on the misery that goes on behind closed doors is the main aim of the project to press governments to do more to

protect domestic workers who come to their country in search of a better life.

Kristie Lu Stout, CNN Hong Kong.

FOSTER: Go to to see how people around the world are making a difference in the fight against modern day slavery. Back in a






FOSTER: Happening in the business world right now, it's not been good news on any of the markets around the world because of what's been happening in

China. We talked about that earlier, the main index there falling sharply. Dow Jones down as you can see there. Both the other main markets as well

down about 1% going on towards 2% for the S&P 500. But in terms of Europe, pretty bad news; both London and Zurich down more than 1% but look at

Germany and Paris.


FOSTER: Now back to London; drugs, prostitutes not the sorts of things one normally would associate with Britain's House of Lords. But now its deputy

speaker is taking a leave of absence after allegedly being caught snorting cocaine.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you want to get some coke?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well I mean I do enjoy a little.

FOSTER: The man appearing to enjoy himself is Lord Sewell, the deputy speaking of Britain's House of Lords also in charge of upholding standards

in West Minister. The video and sordid still pictures were published by the tabloid Sun on Sunday Newspaper.

He's seen allegedly snorting Cocaine with two women in what the paper says is a sex party in Central London each woman allegedly paid 200 pounds.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 200 a day? What - how that is (inaudible) 200 a day to buy lunch?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not lunch lovey darling, it's paying for this.

FOSTER: The paper says the party took place here in Dolphin Square last week only a short walk from the grandeur of Britain's upper house of


DAVID CAMERON, BRITAINS PRIME MINISTER: These are very serious allegations, I think its right he stood down from his committee posts and

I'm sure further questions will be asked about whether it is appropriate to have someone legislating and acting in the House of Lords if they have

genuinely behaved in this way.

FOSTER: Lord Sewell had choice words for the Prime Minister, David Cameron, on the undercover video calling him the most facile, superficial

Prime Minister there's ever been.

[15:25:02] The opposition labor party wasted no time suspending Sewell. The Metropolitan Police announced it's launched an investigation. For his

part Sewell has put out a brief statement saying he plans to take a leave of absence from the House of Lords. I have no intention of returning to

the House in any way until the current investigations have been completed, he said. When in the light of their outcome I will review my long-term

position. I believe this is compatible with due process.

A new parliamentary code championed by Lord Sewell just this year requires members to act in the public interest and with integrity. He could be the

first peer to formally be tested on his own guidelines.


FOSTER: Latest world news headlines just ahead. Plus more on our top story.


FOSTER: Turkey goes to battle with ISIS. We'll talk to a Kurdish activist about the murky waters Ankara is wading in.

And hackers may be able to take control of your phone just by knowing your number.




FOSTER: Welcome back here's what's happening in the World Right Now. After being criticized for inaction Turkey's now taking an aggressive stand

against ISIS.


FOSTER: As the nation launches strikes against the militant group the nation's Prime Minister tells CNN that defeating the militant group is a

"strategic objective."


FOSTER: Monday has seen the biggest sell-off in the Chinese market since 2007.


FOSTER: The Shanghai Composite Index closed down 8.5%. Investors are worried about the health of the Chinese economy and about a possible

withdrawal of Beijing support for the market.


FOSTER: Two women who were killed in a shooting rampage in a U.S. cinema have been laid to rest.


FOSTER: One of the victims was 33 year old Jillian Johnson - Jillian Johnson. And the other 21 year old a Macy Breaux.

The shooter killed them and wounded nine other theatre patrons before taking his own life.


FOSTER: Friends and family are remembering Bobbi Kristina Brown. In a statement released by his attorney, Bobby Brown thanked people for their

prayers as he mourns his daughter.


FOSTER: She passed away on Sunday nearly six months after she was found unresponsive in the bathtub at her home.

Soon after doctors placed her in a medically induced coma. Brown was just 22 years old. Elizabeth Cohen reports.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As the adorable daughter of pop icon Whitney Houston, Bobbi Kristina Brown was thrust into the

spotlight at a tender age.

[15:30:06] Born in Livingstone, New Jersey, in 1993 she was the only child of Houston and R&B singer, Bobby Brown.

At just 12 years old her family's drama was turned into reality TV fodder on being Bobby Brown.

Then in 2012 tragedy, Whitney, died suddenly. Her mother's shocking death sending Bobbi to Cedar Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.

As Bobbi tried to recover from the loss cameras went along for Lifetimes The Houston's On Our Own.

Estranged from her father for nearly two and a half years after Whitney's death, she shared this photo of them reuniting last June. Her parents

struggled with addiction and Bobbi too faced allegations of drug use.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to do the right thing and I'm trying to do is guide her to the right place in her life.

COHEN: But Bobbi tried to move forward explaining on Oprah's Next Chapter how she was coping with her mother's death.

BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: I can hear her voice, you know, in spirit talking to me and telling me you know, keep moving baby, you know I'm right here, I've

got you.

COHEN: As Bobbi Kristina dealt with the loss of her mother she sparked a romance with Nick Gordon; the relationship raised eyebrows.

Days before she was found unresponsive in a bathtub at the home she shared with Gordon in her last days she posted these photos on Instagram and

tweeted, miss you mommy so much loving you more every sec.

Now more than three years after her mother's death the 22 year old's life also cut short by pain and tragedy.

Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Atlanta.


FOSTER: Now an emergency NATO meeting is scheduled for tomorrow as Turkey launches strikes against ISIS and Kurdish militants.


FOSTER: Turkey has requested the Ambassadors meet in Brussels under a rarely used section of the NATO charter.

Earlier today, our Christiane Amanpour spoke with Turkey's Prime Minister to discuss Turkey's new military operations.

AHMET DAVUTOGLU, TURKISH PRIME MINISTER: Last week we agreed with the United States to open our airbases as well as to work together with the

coalition to fight against ISIS, against any terrorist presence in Syria but at the same time we have to have a strategy (inaudible) of Syria.

There we need to support moderate opposition forces. Moderate opposition forces means all those forces who are tolerant to other (inaudible) who do

not commit any terrorist crime and who do not collaborate with the Syrian regime which is responsible for all these humanitarian tragedies in the

last four or five years.


FOSTER: Now there are several Kurdish groups in Turkey, Iraq and in Syria.


FOSTER: The Kurdistan Worker's Party, better known as PKK has fought an armed campaign against Turkey for decades now seeking an independent

Kurdish state. It's been deemed a terrorist group by the U.S., the European Union and other countries. More recently the PKK has fought back

against ISIS attacks on ethnic Kurds in the region.

There's also the YGP, the Kurdish militia in North Eastern Syria fighting in that country's civil war. And also against ISIS and other Islamist

militant groups.

And the Peshmerga, our Kurdish resistance fighters in Iraq also heavily involved in the fight against ISIS. We're going to talk now to a

spokesperson for one Kurdish Group, that's Hemin Hawrami, he's the head of the Foreign Relations Office for the Kurdish democratic party.


FOSTER: So how do you play into this broad picture?

HEMIN HAWRAMI, KURDISH DEMOCRATIC PARTY: We welcomed that new agreement between Turkey and the United States to attack ISIS because we are

supporting any kind of military actions against ISIS. But we do believe that the peace process that we have invested a lot in it, we have been

supporting this peace process for a long time because we do believe this is a strategic choice for the Turkish state and for the older Kurdish

political parties inside Turkey to go on. That's why we do hope that the recent military operation is not going negatively to affect the peace

process and the Kurdish openness with the Turkish act party - ruling party courageously has been working on since 2005.

So our position is to support the peace process and also support the fight against ISIS.

FOSTER: This attacking Kurdish positions though isn't going to do anything for the peace process isn't it? It's probably going to destroy the peace


HAWRAMI: We don't hope so that because these bombings have been targeting some of the unpopulated rigid mountainous area that we asked publically PKK

to exercise restraint and to don't lose their strategic patience for some tactical (inaudible).

FOSTER: But they've already given up on the peace process by the sound of the language today because of the attacks.

HAWRAMI: That's why we are just encouraging both sides and we are doing whatever is needed from the Iraqi Kurdistan's perspective. President

Barzani's position has been very clear; is we are part of this solution, we don't dictate the Turkish foreign policies, we don't also endorse or

support the PKK's position. We do believe that peace and negotiation and dialogue is in the best interest of Turkey, it's in the best interest of

the Kurdish question inside Turkey.

[15:25:08] This bombing and the military operation is not going to solve the Kurdish issue in Turkey.


HAWRAMI: With the Kurdish solution Turkey will be stronger regionally, that's why we are supporting this peace process and we do hope that the

recent military action is not going to kill us forever.

FOSTER: There have been some skeptics here conspiracy theory if you - perhaps, in that the only reason Turkey got involved in this fight against

ISIS right now is because there was a PKK attack on some Turkish police officers, and they got involved in the fight against ISIS on that premise -

when actually what they were trying to do was attack the PKK. And they don't actually worry too much about the peace process going wrong because

it might help in the elections on (inaudible). He's trying to pull in nationalists isn't he?

HAWRAMI: Definitely there are enemies of these both within PKK and maybe inside Turkey as well. So there are people that are not interested in

dialogue because dialogue is going to isolate them. We are supporting that (inaudible) to take the lead and to continue. And the recent provocative

and inflammatory statements by the leaders of the PKK in the (Qandil) mountain, the killing of the two policemen has not helped the peace

process, but we do hope that the wise leaders of HDP and also (inaudible) to continue in supporting this peace process. And we do hope that the

leaders of PKK in the (Qandil) mountain not to undermine HDP and not to undermine (inaudible) for the sake of the peace stability both inside for

Turkey for Kurds and for the region.


FOSTER: Do you have a relationship to the other Kurdish groups to try to make sure that there isn't this breakup of the peace process?

HAWRAMI: We - in Iraqi Kurdistan region we prove that we are a source of stability, we are an asset for the process both in Turkey and for the Kurds

inside Turkey. And we have said it publicly we are ready to deal with whatever is needed from both sides to Iraqi Kurdistan region to be part of

the solution.


HAWRAMI: We don't endorse military solution, we don't endorse security solutions, we don't endorse the violence that was used by PKK because we

don't believe that - we don't believe this is going to end up. Because violence and military operation, both by the PKK and the other parties, it

proved that within the last 30 years it only generated blood and suffering, which has ended up in this what we have right now.


HAWRAMI: But the (inaudible) opening in Turkey that allowed (HDP) to cross the threshold in the Parliament we do believe this is the best solution

that within the Democratic and political process strategically to work on it and to avoid violence.

FOSTER: OK, well thank you for coming in today and speaking with us.

HAWRAMI: My pleasure.

FOSTER: Now, he's not running for another term but U.S. President Barack Obama has died into the Presidential race with some biting comments, they

really were.


FOSTER: In a news conference in Ethiopia, he blasted Republican hopeful Mike Huckabee. He reference the holocaust to slam the Iran nuclear deal.

Mr. Obama called Huckabee's remarks ridiculous and sad. He even addressed Donald Trump who mocked Senator John McCain's war record.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: In fact it's been interesting when you look at what's happened with Minister Trump, when he's

made some of the remarks that for example challenged the heroism of Mr. McCain. Somebody who endured torture and conducted himself with exemplary

patriotism the Republican party is shocked and yet that arises out of a culture where you know those kinds of outrageous attacks have become far to

common place and get circulated non-stop. We're creating a culture that is not conducive to good policy or good politics.

The American people deserve better. Certainly Presidential debates deserve better.


FOSTER: Well, despite Trump's controversial comments he is leading the GOP Presidential race. In the - in the latest CNN ORC poll Republican voters

surveyed said Trump would be their top choice for their party's Presidential nomination. He's ahead of five other hopefuls including Jeb

Bush. And here's why some people say Trump should be elected.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's led every other candidate around by the nose pretty much chasing after him trying to figure out how to get, even when

their interviewed, the conversation's about Trump. So he's completely taken over the dynamic of the election process.

He's leading, they're following, and that's exactly what's happening.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think everybody knows that Trump is a natural born show person. You know he's entertaining and what has everyone in America

been talking about? Trump. I think it's a brilliant move.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I feel everybody in Washington who have been there all this amount of time that have backstabbed the American people, voted

for their raises, voted for their own pensions. Why are we paying for them to retire and have the best life? You've bankrupted Social Security,

Medicare there's no money, people can't retire.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need a hero in the White House.


[15:40:11] FOSTER: Well Trump's popularity amongst some Republicans doesn't mean he would win against top Democratic candidates. In a

hypothetical match up he trails behind them in fact.

CNN Political Director, David Chalian joins us from Washington with more.

It's really how he's playing into that GOP race that's so interesting isn't it? If he went off and became independent apparently the Democrats would

be sure to win.

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Yes, exactly. He would draw most of his vote as an independent from Republicans no doubt basically handing

Democrats the White House.

But you're right to point out because of the way our system is here there is this two-step process. And so right now he is competing for the

Republican nomination and the way you win the Republican nomination is to excite and animate the activist base of the Republican Party.


CHALIAN: And that is what he is doing, it's what he's doing with his comments on illegal immigration. And it's what he's doing in style. They

are - you could hear from those voters that you just played a very disaffected, dissatisfied group of voters with the way Washington works.

I think people more broadly than just activist Republicans think that way but they do acutely, and Donald Trump has tapped into that and that's what

has fuelled his rise to the polls on the Republican side. But as you pointed out in these hypothetical match ups or if you ask the American

electorate more broadly he is seen as widely unfavorably. 59% of Americans have an unfavorable view of Donald Trump. You can't win the White House

that way but he is first and foremost focused on the Republican nomination.

FOSTER: Are there not officials within the Republican movement who somehow see this as a major problem for the party? And a potential break-up of the

party and sort of very divisive for the party? Are they not stepping in and trying to bring things together?

CHALIAN: Well everybody's sort of dancing around the Trump candidacy in different ways. But you are right in the establishment leadership of the

Republican Party he's causing some heartburn because there is concern that with those high unfavorable ratings I just mentioned that he will do damage

to the Republican party brand as sort of the standard bearer of the party as this front runner.

He's been in constant communication in the last several days with the Republican Party Chairman here, with the Republican Party leadership saying

hey guys treat me fairly in this process and I will, you know, try to cool down some of my rhetoric. But if you don't treat me fairly I'm going to

you know, continue to threaten the idea of running as an independent.

So here's the problem; and this is the same problem the Republican Party experienced in 2009 and in 2010 with the so called T-Party here in this

country. You want to harness the energy that Donald Trump is attracting because he is tapping into something real, and real anxiousness and

restiveness inside the Republican Party. And yet you want to do that in a way that doesn't singe you or burn you, or destroy your brand to the

broader American public. That is a very delicate dance. Republican leadership did it with the T-Party and so far - of late they have been able

to do that more successfully. And now they're going to try to figure out a way to do that with Donald Trump.


FOSTER: OK, it's very interesting. David Chalian, thank you very much indeed for bringing us the context on it.

CHALIAN: Thank you.

FOSTER: This is The World Right Now. Coming up;


FOSTER: U.S. President Barack Obama is talking today of the brutal war in South Sudan that's displaced millions of civilians.

My next guest is going after those who he says profit from it all and I'll ask him if the latest peace proposal is enough.




[15:45:54] FOSTER: Returning to one of our top stories now. U.S. President Barack Obama's visit to East Africa.


FOSTER: Now during his trip Mr. Obama has been trying to find a way to end the conflict raging in South Sudan. Now the President along with regional

leaders have agreed that the warring sides must conclude a peace plan by August 17th.

The conflict has forced more than 2 million civilians from their homes and the leaders say if the August deadline isn't met, they may apply

"substantially increased sanctions and pressure" including even intervening with a military force.


FOSTER: Now not everyone agrees with adding sanctions or intervening. They say that's because the conflict isn't about politics but it's about


The Enough Project that actor George Clooney co-founded argues that some wars inside Africa are just too lucrative to end. Take a look at a segment

from the group's video.


GEORGE CLOONEY: These shadow economies extend all the way to boardrooms in New York, London, Geneva, Dubai, and other international financial centers

where money and assets are the most vulnerable and exposed to the region, law enforcement and regulatory authorities.

Real leverage for peace and human rights will come when the people who benefit from war will pay a price for the damage they case.


FOSTER: John Prendergast Co-founder of the Enough Project with Clooney, he joins me now from Washington. First of all your reaction to what you heard

from President Obama and the other leaders in Africa so far to try to deal with some of the conflicts there?

JOHN PRENDERGAST, CO-FOUNDER ENOUGH PROJECT: Well, I'm really pleased that President Obama's willing to engage personally. You know often

Presidents who go on these foreign trips are encouraged to stay away from the controversial issues, the issues that seem to have no resolution, but

he dove right in.


PRENDERGAST: And that was really important and I think the message is real clear from the Administration here in Washington and that is that if there

isn't an agreement by August 17th, there will be a ramping up of serious financial pressures. That's the right message to send to the leaders in

South Sudan because they appear to have no interest in resolving their conflict internally, and are willing to continue to destroy their country

for the power grab that both of them are making.


FOSTER: And they're able to do that aren't they, (inaudible) powers on your argument because a lot of the money being siphoned out of these

countries is going out via European banks by American banks. If you close that off then you stop access to their funds, and that stops them perhaps

pursuing some of these conflicts?

PRENDERGAST: Yes, I think one of the big things that has sustained many of the conflicts in Africa have been the extraordinary amount of money that is

made in the context of war economies. There are diamonds and gold and oil and all other kinds of minerals, and of course as we all know, ivory from

all the elephant poaching that are able to be plundered during conflict in the absence of rule of the law much more easily than they would in a

situation of peace and a stable state where the rule of law held sway.

So you see that war has actually an economic advantage for those that fight it often, and their allies outside of the country, their collaborators

outside of the country. And I think that's why we focused on going after.


PRENDERGAST: If you're going to create a raft of sanctions that's meaningful, you've got to go after all the people that are making money off

these conflicts.

FOSTER: Are you confident they're doing that now though 'cause it does sound like a traditional diplomacy when you're listening to the speeches.

PRENDERGAST: Yes, it does sound like traditional diplomacy and I think that's why it was so important for President Obama to inject a little bit

of realism, a little bit of account - potential accountability into the mix, the discussion that in fact business as usual which has created a

horrible humanitarian catastrophe in South Sudan, business as usual is not going to be acceptable any longer globally. And the U.S. will lead an

effort to try to make that business as usual unacceptable.

And it's going to be a difficult uphill battle but it's good to know that the administration is weighing in heavily in a positive way in this regard.

FOSTER: One of the things that you (inaudible) to not talk about failed states but to talk about hijacked states because as soon as you start

talking about failing states the sort of sense that people have is to start injecting capital into the country to pump them back up.

[15:50:14] But by seeing them as hijacked states then perhaps you can offer them a type of aid that will help the people down below more?

PRENDERGAST: Yes, these are - these are states that are very successful frankly for the leaders that are ruling them. I mean they have hijacked

the institutions of the state.


PRENDERGAST: The security apparatus, the legal system, the taxing authority for their own personal enrichment, and to keep power. To

maintain power by any means necessary. And I think as long as that's the case, and as long as international interventions and aid and all the rest

of it don't address that fundamental kleptocracy at the core of these conflict states you're going to get a continuation of the situation because

the incentives are all in favor of violently expropriating the assets and resources of the country.

FOSTER: OK, thank you very, very much indeed for joining us John Prendergast, with your thoughts on that and that big trip around Africa

right now.

Now coming up if you've got an Android your phone is potentially at risk of being hacked by a single text message.


FOSTER: We'll explain to you after the break.




FOSTER: Well this is possibly the biggest smartphone flaw ever discovered. If you have an android phone be warned it may be hacked with a simple text


CNN's Business Correspondent, Samuel Burke has the details, he joins us from New York. Is it really that simple Samuel?

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: It's that simple Max. Imagine somebody can hack your phone and all they need to know about you is your

cell phone number. That's exactly what this flaw in Android phones allows people to do. They just send you a text message with a picture, you don't

even have to open up the text and it allows the other person to get into your phone, wipe the phone clean if you want, access all of your apps, and

probably scariest of all access the camera on your phone.

I want to show you some video from Israel. I was just there a few months ago doing reporting on cyber security and I want to the AZG Company, that's

the Anti-Virus Company. Their office is in Tel-Aviv.

They did something similar, sending a text message to an Android phone that I was using, and they recorded the entire interview that I was doing with

one of the executives of that company from the cell phone without me even knowing.

Now we're of course just talking about Android phones here but remember the vast majority of people use Android and the researchers that discovered

this flaw say about 95% of Android phones are susceptible.


BURKE: So Max, we're talking about 950 million people who are at risk.

FOSTER: So how do they protect themselves crucially?

BURKE: Well, what's interesting here is of course Google owns Android and Google tells us they acknowledge the problem and they actually have a patch

for it.


BURKE: But what's different from Apple, remember Apple owns - makes both the phone and the software so they can push out updates in a much easier

fashion. Google sells Android to phone manufacturers so Google has pushed out this update to phone manufacturers and now it's on them and we don't

know if the phone manufacturers have pushed it out or not.

So it shows the increased security concerns that Android users have. And also shows that when you get those annoying updates to restart windows or

in this case to update Android, you definitely want to do them because you don't want the camera on your phone spying on you without you knowing it.


[15:55:11] FOSTER: OK, Samuel, people have been warned at least. Thank you very much indeed.

Now it may be the middle of summer here in Europe but this weekend you wouldn't have guessed it; from torrential rain, to heavy wind, the northern

tip of the continent has been taking an absolute battering.


FOSTER: A gust of wind sent this Danish (inaudible) into a somersault at an extreme sailing event in Hamburg in Germany. The sport certainly living

up to its name. Luckily no-one was injured.

And the passengers of this KLM flight might also be counting themselves lucky after this terrifying landing in Amsterdam, imagine being on board.

The plane sways from side to side as it prepares to touch down the skill of the pilots clearly saving the day.


FOSTER: That has been The World Right Now. The weather's calming down at least. Thank you for watching. Quest Means business with Isa is up next.