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Debris Examined for Tie to Missing Malaysian Plane; Trump Denies 'Meltdown' Over Breast Pump Request; University Cop Indicted for Murder in Shooting of Motorist; Police Stop Armed Man Looking for White House; New York Man Charged with Trying to Support ISIS; Afghanistan Claims Taliban Leader Dead; Kerry Grilled in Heated Hearing on Iran Deal. Aired 5-6p ET
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[17:00:22] WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Happening now, breaking news. Plane wreckage found. More than a year after the disappearance of Malaysia Flight 370, debris from an aircraft washes ashore on a remote island. Could it be the key to unlocking the mystery of the missing jumbo jet?
Trump unleashed. In a new exclusive interview with CNN, Donald Trump doubles down, saying an attorney trying to pump breast milk in the middle of a deposition.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: She's a horrible person, knows nothing about me. I see her. She's now the great expert on Donald Trump.
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BLITZER: What impact will this latest controversy have on Trump's presidential campaign?
Moment of murder? Disturbing video captures the shooting death of an unarmed African-American driver by a white police officer. Tonight he's charged with murder and a community is reeling.
I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.
ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
BLITZER: We're following some breaking news of potentially major new clues in the search for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, an apparent piece of an airport wing washed up on a remote island in the Indian Ocean, sparking new hope that the mysterious fate of the Boeing 777, and the 239 people on board potentially can finally be solved.
We're also following the breaking news out of Ohio. A white university police officer has been charged with murdering and the shooting death and killing of an unarmed African-American man. Video of the deadly encounter reported by the officer's body camera shocked even the prosecutor, who called the incident unwarranted and senseless. We're covering the breaking news. Much more this hour with our
correspondents, our expert guests and our analysts. But first let's go to CNN's Brian Todd. He begins our coverage now. He's learning new details of this possible, possible new clue in the search for Malaysia Flight 370.
Brian, what are you finding out?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, tonight investigators are combing every inch of this piece of debris. They say it appears to be a wing flap, possibly from a commercial airport. It was found more than 2,500 Miles from the current search area for the missing Malaysian Airlines plane, but search experts say it is possible that parts of that aircraft could have drifted that far.
It's reported to be almost eight feet long, more than 3 feet wide and maybe the most tantalizing clue in the 17-month-old mystery of MH-370. This metallic debris, which appears to be from a large plane, was discovered today off the coast of Reunion Island in the Western Indian Ocean near Madagascar.
TODD (voice-over): Tonight the race is on to see if it is from the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 after one French Air Force official said the part, seen here in local media, appears to be an airline wing flap.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it is, indeed, part of a 777, then we're pretty clear that it would be then also part of MH-370. The number of 777s that have crashed in this area are miniscule at best.
TODD: Tonight, one French official stresses it's way too soon to say if this is part of that missing plane. What do authorities need to examine from this piece of wreckage to possibly come up with a match?
LEE ABEND, COMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOT: Many parts of specific Boeing airplanes, if not other airplanes, have serial numbers attached to particular parts which are riveted onto that particular part. So we'll look to see if that serial number traces back to, first of all, a Boeing airplane or any other type of airplane.
In addition to that, you're going to be able to find out, you know, does this part match up with a specific diagram of parts of a 777?
TODD: Flight 370 disappeared after taking off from Kuala Lumpur on March 8 of 2014, bound from Beijing, but it never made it, vanishing without a trace and sparking an international search that continues to captivate the world. Authorities know the plane intentionally veered off-course, but say they still don't know why the Boeing 777, with 239 people on board, made a dramatic turn over the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. And they don't know exactly where the plane's journey ended.
Using satellite data, search officials calculated the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean. And most recently, they've been combing an area of the ocean floor about 1,000 Miles west of Perth, Australia. That's about 2,700 Miles from where this debris was found. Tonight investigators and scientists are now calculating if pieces of the plane could have drifted that far.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The odds are against the fact that it would have drifted that far. However, it is definitely possible it could have, considering the amount of time it's been in the water.
TODD: Experts say other planes have crashed in that area, and the part could be from one of them. The lead officials, the Malaysia Airlines search have so far not commented on this discovery.
[17:05:06] Contacted by CNN, Boeing would only say it is continuing to provide technical expertise to the search teams. Wolf, everyone being very cautious at the moment.
BLITZER: As they should be. What's the next step in the investigation?
TODD: Well, a French officials have told us that they've contacted the lead French aviation agency, the BEA, which investigators accidents. We have to stress that Reunion Island is a French- controlled territory, where this piece of aircraft was found. And that wing part is still at a French military facility on the island, Wolf. The French official says they are determining if they are going to do the investigation on the island or send that part to Paris, where the BEA will look into it there.
BLITZER: All right, Brian, thanks very much.
So let's bring in our meteorologist Jennifer Gray, who's looking at the ocean currents that pushed this debris ashore. What are you seeing, Jennifer?
JENNIFER GRAY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, Wolf, the oceans are constantly moving, being driven by these huge ocean gyres. You can see going counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere, clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere. And it's one in particular, the Indian Ocean, of course, it flows all the way from Australia north and over to portions of Africa.
So you would say yes, it's possible. Consider these big conveyor belts that pull things over and to the west. However, within those there are tiny little eddies, and so areas that are outside of, say, the main gyre. And so you could get caught in that, as well.
So even though these are huge conveyor belts, there are tiny little portions inside of there that things could get caught into.
But I want to show you one other thing. This Google Earth image. And this is basically where they are searching, the spots right here. And so zooming in just a little bit. That gray book is the entire search area. That tiny purple box right there, that's where they're surging under water. And you look at the distance from the search area to where the debris
was found, 2,300 miles, you say is not possible? Yes, it is possible, and you say why is it so far from the search area? The plane could still be on the bottom of the ocean floor. That's why they're still searching, but anything that floats could be caught in one of those ocean gyres and pushed all the way across to the other side of the ocean -- Wolf.
BLITZER: All right, Jennifer. Thank you.
Joining us here in THE SITUATION ROOM, Peter Goelz, the former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board; the former FBI director, Tom Fuentes; and our CNN aviation analyst, Miles O'Brien.
Miles, based on what we have seen, this video of this piece of wing, potentially of this plane, does it look like it could be a piece of this 777?
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: It could very well be, Wolf. It seems to match some of the drawings that are out there on the Internet. It should be fairly straight far to id fill whether it's a 777 part very easily. You don't have to worry too much about serial numbers, because there's only been one 777 lost in the Indian Ocean. If it's a 777 part, we know it's from MH-370. As far as those expert said, we might see debris. It's been 500-plus days, and this does nothing to invalidate where they are searching now in the southern Indian Ocean.
BLITZER: Peter, the investigators, especially Boeing, the manufacturer of the Boeing 777, why should it take very long for them to determine? They're going to get high-definition video of this piece of the wing. Presumably it shouldn't take very long to figure it out whether or not this came from a 777.
PETER GOELZ, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: It shouldn't take very long at all, Wolf. They should be able to get this done in the next couple of hours. It is not a very difficult process. As Miles pointed out, there's only been one 777 lost. There are serial numbers on these -- the various internal components of this piece. This should not be a great mystery. They should be able to identify within the next 12 hours whether this came from MH-370 or not.
BLITZER: So the French are involved. The U.S., presumably, is involved, Boeing obviously involved. Do you think Boeing is already studying this piece of this wing, whether or not it is from that plane?
GOELZ: I have a pretty good idea that they're ready to make a call. They probably need a few more pieces of information, but this is something they could do pretty fast.
BLITZER: Yes, they -- presumably Tom, they could figure this out without actually physically touching this piece of the wing. They could look at the video. They could get descriptions from the eyewitnesses. They could take a look at that code, whatever that identification number is on this piece of a wing. We don't know if it's the wing from the 777 or a wing from another plane that could have crashed in the area. Presumably, they'll figure this out, as Peter says, very quickly.
TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I would think so. If they can't figure out how to find that serial number or where it's located or how to retrieve it, I would think Boeing could send somebody out there to look at the piece on the ground or wherever they have to store the building now and find that number, and match it to the computer system, put it right to that plane, if it matches.
BLITZER: Do you agree it shouldn't take very long, Miles, to figure it out?
O'BRIEN: Not at all. I think they should probably do it on a visual. You know, it's not like you go to Home Depot and buy a flaperon. These are one-off designs. They're different for a 747. So Airbuses or whatever. The 777 flaperon is a unique design. So this should be fairly straightforward.
[17:10:18] Hopefully, this would be solved one way or another very soon. And if it is, in fact, a piece of MH-370, what a dramatic moment this is. Finally, after 500-plus days, perhaps, just perhaps, we know that it crashed. We couldn't even say that before this, potentially.
BLITZER: Potentially to this. Peter, as you know, potentially, it would be the first piece of that plane, if in fact, it is part of that plane. The French authorities, they have custody of this -- of this piece of this wing. How good are they at determining what it is?
GOELZ: Well, they are excellent. The BEA is an experienced investigative unit. They're independent. They can get the job done. They can -- they can get it done quickly, and we can have confidence in their investigative results.
BLITZER: What does it say that it was found ashore to you, Tom Fuentes? Because it wasn't found in the water. It was found ashore, this island off the coast of Madagascar.
FUENTES: Well, at some point, you would assume that debris would float up on some shore. I mean, we've had these earthquakes and tsunamis in Japan where, a year or two later, debris floats over to California or Oregon, washes ashore on our coastline. So the fact that these items, if they stayed afloat and if they're from that plane, they could end up almost anywhere in the Pacific Rim, depending on the currents of the wind.
BLITZER: It would go that far, almost 3,000 miles. Is that right, Peter?
GOELZ: It could. And, you know, this piece looks particularly weather-beaten, which gives me some concern. But we'll see.
BLITZER: Why does that give you concern? Because there are other planes that crashed in that area? GOELZ: Exactly. There's a lot of stuff in the ocean, as we've found
out over the past 500 days, and there are other planes, commercial- sized planes that have crashed. I mean, it could be a piece from another aircraft, but we'll find out soon.
BLITZER: We know, Miles, there's a lot of junk that floats around the waters in the Indian Ocean, whether there's the western part, eastern part or whatever. Are we 100 percent sure this is, in fact, at least plane wreckage, that it's a piece of a wing of an aircraft, whether or not the 777, the Malaysian aircraft?
O'BRIEN: I would bet my pilot's license this is an aerodynamic structure of some kind. Some aircraft at some point. The question is how long has it been there? Is it something from World War II? Is it from a 1987 crash of a 747, South African Airlines? Was it a 2009 crash of Air Yemeni, an Airbus 310? There are plenty of crashes in the sea, but there's only one 777 crash in the Indian Ocean, period. If this piece matches those diagrams, which are unique to that aircraft. It's a slam dunk.
BLITZER: So you have no doubt, Peter, that this is at least, you could say, a piece of a plane?
GOELZ: Absolutely. It's a major structural piece of the wing section, and it is a critical piece of evidence. And, you know, I'm hopeful.
BLITZER: Various U.S. agencies, whether the FAA, the NTSB, maybe even the FBI, they're going to be looking. Let's not forget a lot of people lost their lives in this crash.
FUENTES: I think so. But I think that, really, in this case you're going to have, you know, a couple of agencies right up front determined. If it's determined to be from the crash, it's going to start anew the desire to search that ocean floor, back in the search area. It's going to corroborate Inmarsat data that said that plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean.
BLITZER: We're going to have much more on this story coming up, obviously, here in THE SITUATION ROOM. I want all of you to stand by.
We'll take a quick break. We have lots of other breaking news that we're following, as well. We'll be right back.
[17:18:14] BLITZER: Breaking here on CNN, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump forcefully denying an attorney's allegation that he had a meltdown when she requested a break so she could go to another room and use a breast pump. The incident happened years ago while Trump was answering questions about a real-estate deal.
Listen to what the attorney, Elizabeth Beck, told CNN's "NEW DAY" earlier today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ELIZABETH BECK, ATTORNEY: He had an absolute meltdown. He got up. His face got red. He shook his finger at me, and he screamed, "You're disgusting. You're disgusting," and he ran out of there.
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BLITZER: Not so, says Donald Trump, who sat down with our own Dana Bash in New York City today. Dana, what did Donald Trump say about these pretty explosive allegations?
DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I actually read him that quote from Elizabeth Beck that you just played to get his reaction. I did say we did talk a lot of substance, but obviously, this is the most explosive issue of the day, and you probably won't be surprised that he denied it.
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TRUMP: It was a breast pump. She wanted to pump in front of me during a deposition.
BASH: The way she described it was that she wanted to take a break so she could take the pump out.
TRUMP: Not true. My lawyer, who was there, he said, "I've never seen anything like it." She wanted to breast pump in front of me. And I may have said that's disgusting. I may have said something else. I thought it was terrible.
She's a horrible person, knows nothing about me. I see her, she's now the great expert on Donald Trump.
BASH: I guess the question isn't so much, you know, that she's an expert, but she does have an experience, which she clearly doesn't...
TRUMP: Excuse me she lost. And that's what the country needs. The company needs somebody that's going to win. We always lose. We lose on trade. We lose to China, Japan, Mexico. We lose to everybody. Wouldn't it be nice if we could finally win something? I beat her so badly. She's a vicious, horrible person.
[17:20:12] BASH: Because you're not a politician, you know, we don't have your voting record to go on. We don't have -- you know, we have your experience as a businessman and part of your experience are legal issues.
TRUMP: Well, let me explain...
BASH: Can I talk?
TRUMP: So many people are on television that don't know me, and they're like experts on me. You know, when Michael Jackson died, I knew him very well. And everybody was talking about Michael Jackson. They didn't know him. They knew nothing. Some of them never even met him. And I sort of laughed to myself. There they are. They're talking about Michael Jackson, and they never met him. BASH: My question for you is, people are looking at that. They're
thinking, OK, if he blows up at a lawyer in a deposition...
TRUMP: I didn't blow up.
BASH: ... negotiating, what would he do -- what would you do you if Vladimir Putin challenged you.
TRUMP: Believe me, I'd get along very well with him. I get along with people. I didn't blow up at a deposition. I don't blow up.
BASH: She's wrong, that didn't happen?
TRUMP: She made it up.
BASH: About the Republican National Committee, I know that you've been talking to the chair, Reince Priebus, so can you give me some insight into the conversations? Why are you so much more positive now? Is it just because...
TRUMP: I don't think I've changed. I think that -- you know, I've gotten some amazing polls. You look at the poll in New Hampshire.
BASH: What about these conversations?
TRUMP: I think that the conversations are very nice. I respect him. The best way to win is for me to win the nomination, and I will beat Hillary. Believe me, I will beat Hillary.
Hillary, I don't even know if she's going to be able to run. Because what she did was a criminal act. She burned up the e-mails. She got rid of her hard drive. She had subpoenas from the United States Congress. General Petraeus was destroyed for doing far less. I mean, they destroyed this general's life, and what he did is far less than what she's done.
So I don't know that she's going to make it. I don't think it's going to be Bernie Sanders. I think other people are going to probably join the race eventually, like maybe Biden and other people. But -- but I'm not so sure that she's even going to be in the race. Because what she did is a criminal act.
And the only reason she's maybe and probably not going to be prosecuted is because all of the prosecutors are Democrats. Otherwise, she wouldn't have a chance. What she did is far worse than Petraeus.
BLITZER: Wow. And you also asked him, Dana, about how he'd deal with Obamacare if, in fact, he were elected president. What did he tell you?
BASH: Well, like the rest of the Republican field, he said that he would repeal it immediately. And when it comes to how he would replace it, he talked a lot about making sure that the private sector, specifically the hospitals and the health insurance companies, would have more competition and that he would do better deals, especially with the hospitals to help with that.
Didn't get into a lot more specifics than that beyond something that many Republicans talk about, which is allowing people to take insurance across state lines, which is kind of a traditional GOP sort of philosophy, which is interesting, because I started that conversation about Obamacare, Wolf, by reading him something that he said in his own book back in 2000, 15 years ago, when he was considering running for president back then. He then advocated a Canadian-style single-payer system, which is obviously even more further to the left than maybe even Bernie Sanders. He's obviously very much disavowed that as he's running for the Republican nomination.
BLITZER: Certainly is. All right, Dana, we're going to have more of your interview coming up. I want you to stand by.
I also want to get -- get to our CNN political reporter, Sara Murray, our CNN senior Washington correspondent, Jeff Zeleny, but let's take a quick break. Much more on what's going on when we come back.
[17:28:34] BLITZER: We're following the breaking news in the 2016 presidential race. In an exclusive CNN interview, the Republican presidential front-runner, Donald Trump, denies an attorney's allegation that he had a meltdown and called "disgusting" when she requested a break in order to go to another room to use a breast pump.
Out political experts, they are here, along with CNN's Dana Bash, who spoke to Trump today. Dana, stand by. Sara Murray is here. Jeff Zeleny is with me, as well.
Sara, the story is obviously a lot more is going to come out. He's now the front-runner. He's ahead in the national polls among Republicans. He's ahead in New Hampshire. He's second in Iowa in all of these polls. So political reporters and others, they're going to be looking at everything, basically, he did.
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's true. And when you're running for president and you're the front-runner, you can expect to have your entire biography, your entire history scrutinized. And that's what Donald Trump is going through right now.
I think it is sort of a surprise to them to see it coming as fast and as furiously as it is now, but they've also been through this before. We have to remember, Donald Trump has been a public figure for a long time, and he's not necessarily new to people digging through his background. But I think even they are shocked to see allegations of, you know, say, 30 years ago coming up now.
BLITZER: He's going to get. This is just the beginning. You and I, we've covered politics for a long time.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: No doubt. And I think this deposition story is a classic example. He talks about suing a lot of people, so there is a paper trail on him longer than any paper trail I can think of, of a previous candidate. All his financial dealings and other things.
So up until now it's been sort of him talking. Now you're going to see a lot of this history. Because as Dana mentioned in her interview, he doesn't have a voting record. So he has a paper trail, a business record, other things, but everything that he's gone through is going to be flyspecks.
[17:30:13] And the fact that he was once for a single-payer healthcare system, that is the most Democratic of principles. So things like that will be brought up at next week's debate.
BLITZER: The fact that he used to be a self-described pro-choice.
BLITZER: And now pro-life. He's flipped on a lot of issues.
ZELENY: He has, and we've seen what happens with presidential candidates before, who just have, you know, a few flips. These are a ton of flips. So that's what I think will be front and center at the debate next week. Other Republicans will not call him out for his style; they will call him out for his substance. The Republican officials I talked to say if he talks substance with him, that's when he may begin to fade.
BLITZER: Dana, take us a little bit behind the scenes. You spent some time with him today. Obviously, an excellent interview at Trump Towers in New York today. What was he like there? Did you get the sense he's been surprised by these allegations that have now surfaced against him, or he's ready to move on? Ready to -- is he a bit more mellow? How did you sense it?
BASH: Surprised by the allegations? No. I mean, this is a guy who's been kind of, you know, front and center in the New York tabloid arena for years and really decades. So I don't think he's surprised at all about it, but I do think that he was a little bit more mellow.
Now not when he was talking about this woman. That was classic Trump. She went after him, and he went after her ten times harder in a very personal, very direct way.
But beyond that, he didn't have the kind of tenor and demeanor that has caused the Republican Party chair and so many others to say, "You've got to tone it down." It seems as though he's kind of doing it. And I mentioned that to him, and he seemed a little bit surprised that my perception of him was that he's toned down, but it is.
And I think it's because he has had more conversations with the Republican Party chair behind the scenes, because the party is saying, wow, this is actually -- this is happening. This is real. And this guy may not follow the rules, and the voters probably at this point don't hold him to the same standards as other more traditional politicians. And so look, if you had another politician answering questions about
blowing up at somebody who used a breast pump, I mean, can you imagine them surviving the next day in this race? It just wouldn't happen.
BLITZER: Yes. You also, I know, spoke with him about how he's preparing for next week's Republican presidential debate. What did he tell you?
BASH: He's kind of not, he said. You know, he's on his way tonight to go to Scotland. He's leaving the country, because there is a big golf tournament, a women's golf tournament at one of his golf courses in Scotland, so he's going to be there.
I asked if he's going to be sort of boning up on the plane, and he said, "Look, I am what I am. I'm going to be me."
I go, "What about substance?" He said he worries about substance all the time. So everybody else is in a tense debate prep, has been really for months. He claims he's not.
BLITZER: He told something similar, Sara, to Don Lemon here on CNN, as well. Is he lowering expectations about his debate readiness, shall we say?
MURRAY: I think he absolutely is lowering expectations, which is a very rare thing to see from Donald Trump, that he's been tamping down his skills, that this is what we see happening. And I do think it's because he knows his opponents are going to go after him, and they are going to go after him on substance and on issues.
And one thing that struck me in Dana's interview with Donald Trump is he did seem like he was almost coming up on the fly with how he felt about certain issues, whether it was how to provide health care to the poor, whether it was how to deal with the poor. It seems like he was still formulating his policies. And that's something these other guys are going to go in. They're going to know what their lines are on these issues, and they're going to be ready, because they've been prepping for months.
BLITZER: He also says, as you heard, Jeff, he said some of these other candidates, whether Mitt Romney or President Obama, they have a lot of debate preparation, a lot of debate experts who helped them, and they were terrible in the debates. And he doesn't need all that stuff.
ZELENY: He talks a lot about people who are failing, businesses are failing, people are losing, people are terrible. I would be surprised if he does not have a little bit of help behind the scenes here. He's very good in front of a camera, obviously, but this is a new arena for him. He does not want to fail sort of miserably.
But I think we're going to see a more serious Trump. I think in Dana's interview, we're seeing a segue to that right now. He was not as brash as he's been before, so I think we're going to see a little bit more substance.
But more interestingly, how other Republican candidates are prepping to deal with him. They're spending a lot of time on that.
BLITZER: All right. We're going to have more of Dana's interview coming up, as well. Stand by. Much more coming up. More of Dana Bash's exclusive interview with Donald Trump in the next hour, here in THE SITUATION ROOM.
And up next, we have breaking news from Cincinnati, where a white police officer just has been indicted for murdering a black motorist. Stand by.
[17:39:20] BLITZER: We're following breaking news out of Cincinnati, where a white university police officer has been charged with murder in the shooting death of an unarmed African-American man. The police officer pulled over the driver because of a missing front license plate. The body -- the body camera of the police officer captured the moment when the encounter turned deadly. We want to warn you, this is graphic video.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So do you not have the license plate? I'm not seeing it. OK. I'm going to ask you again, do you have a license plate? I'm seeing it, is that -- straight up -- are you -- you don't have your license on you? Where are you staying at? Down here? I still haven't figured out the license...
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BLITZER: All right. Let's bring in CNN's Miguel Marquez. He's watching what's going on.
You're covering the story for us. What's the latest you're hearing out of Cincinnati, Miguel?
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, well, we know there will be a rally in support of Samuel Dubose, who was shot and killed in that car. What is astonishing about that video is you watch it is that you can barely even hear the gunshot. The officer yells, "Stop, stop," twice as the car seems to go into motion, and at the same time he says that second "Stop," a single shot is fired.
Mr. Debose, the prosecutor says, is dead by the time that car begins to pull away. He slumps forward, pushing on the gas and then comes to a halt about a block away.
That officer, Raymond Tensing, has now been charged with murder and voluntary manslaughter. He's also been fired from the force. The University of Cincinnati force he has worked for, has been curtailed now; it's no longer patrolling off a campus. Here's what the prosecutor said about those charges.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOE DETERS, HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR: I've been doing this for over 30 years. This is the most asinine active I've ever seen a police officer make. Totally unwarranted.
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MARQUEZ: The prosecutor also apologizing to the family of Mr. Dubose and saying that this was what he called a chicken crap stop, that Mr. Dubose was pulled over because he had his front plate was not on the car. Mr. Dubose was driving on a suspended license, but the prosecutor is saying this is no reason for anyone to die -- Wolf.
BLITZER: So Miguel, what is expected to happen next?
MARQUEZ: Well, he will face those charges. There will be a trial. He could face life in prison if conduct convicted of the murder charge. Prosecutor also saying the other police officers. I mean, one thing that's interesting, the police report that was filled out by Mr. DuBose, and the other officers that responded there clearly states that Mr. DuBose, that he felt that he was being dragged by the vehicle and had to fire his weapon. He feared for his life, saying in a statement the other officers seemed to back him up, at least to a degree. So the prosecutors will be looking now to see whether or not there will be any other charges against other officers -- Wolf.
BLITZER: We'll have more on this story, of course, later. Miguel, thanks very much.
Coming up, we'll also have more of our CNN exclusive interview with Donald Trump. He's denying an attorney's allegation he had a meltdown when she asked to be excused so she could go use a breast pump.
Also ahead, another American is charged with trying to help ISIS. This is the second ISIS-related terror arrest here in the United States in two days.
[17:47:56] WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: There's breaking news here in Washington. We're getting word about a very scary moment when police stopped an armed man who was asking directions to the White House.
Our justice reporter Evan Perez is working the story for us.
So, Evan, what are you finding out?
EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, this man was driving on Independence Avenue just right next to the capitol building. And he stopped to ask for directions to the White House. And when police -- the Capitol Police looked into the car that he was driving -- he's from Tennessee -- they found that he had three boxes of ammunition as well as a firearm, which was not licensed -- he was not licenses to carry in the District of Columbia.
As you know, D.C. has some very stringent gun laws. And he told police that he simply did not know that he wasn't allowed to carry firearms in the city of Washington. And so he was let go. He was allowed to leave and was simply told that he can't bring back guns into the District of Columbia, but obviously a scary moment for police there because they thought perhaps something else was wrong here, and he was asking for directions for the White House. So obviously that posed some problems there for police.
BLITZER: Did they confiscate the ammunition and the gun?
PEREZ: The police report does not say what they did with this. It looks like, you know, he was allowed to go and they believed his story that he simply did not know what he was doing here with those guns in D.C.
BLITZER: We're also learning and I know you've got details about a man arrested today, charged outside of Buffalo, New York, in Lackawanna, with trying to support ISIS. Tell us about this.
PEREZ: That's right, Wolf. Arafat Nagi, he's 44 years old, and according to the FBI, two separate times he tried to travel to Turkey -- well, he traveled to Turkey with intent to try to join is. The first time he returned simply because he was sick. And the second time in July of 2014, according to the FBI, he turned back because he thought he was being followed by Turkish intelligence.
He never actually made it to Syria to join ISIS, but they believe that he was espousing violent jihad. He had on Twitter swore allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who's the leader of ISIS. And according to the FBI he also bought some army-style materials before he traveled.
[17:50:07] And on eBay he bought body armor, night vision goggles, camouflage clothing and a Shahada Flag, which is a black flag with Islamic writing on it. And it is very common with jihadis.
This is a man who had quite a criminal history, Wolf. According to police records, in 2011 he allegedly attacked his 16-year-old daughter. She left the grocery store and threatened to kill her. And again in 2013 he came up from behind her and threatened to behead her. So there is some criminal history here. The FBI decided to arrest him because they simply thought they had seen enough and wanted to lock him up.
BLITZER: And this was his daughter, allegedly, is that right?
PEREZ: That is right, Wolf.
BLITZER: All right.
PEREZ: That was his daughter.
BLITZER: Very disturbing stuff. Only yesterday in Key West, Florida, they arrested someone accused of supporting ISIS, now outside of buffalo, New York. It seems almost every day this is happening here in the United States.
BLITZER: All right, Evan. Thanks very much.
Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence investigating a report that the leader of the Taliban is dead. The top Afghan official now says there's credible information that Mullah Mohammed Omar died in a hospital in Pakistan more than two years ago.
Let's go to our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr, she's working the story for us.
What are you learning, Barbara?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, indeed, U.S. officials investigating these reports. Right now there seems to be no indication in their mind at least not yet that those reports are wrong. So they accept the notion that Mullah Omar, the spiritual leader of the Taliban, might have died in a hospital back in 2013.
Mullah Omar was the leader of the Taliban as the U.S. came to know and understand what the Taliban was. He is someone who gave sanctuary to al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden in the time leading up to the 9/11 attacks. But he had not been seen in years.
The Taliban now, years later, much younger, much more militant, and in fact, one of the big concerns that the U.S. really has about Afghanistan is not just the Taliban, but these days how much of an inroad is ISIS making in that very troubled country -- Wolf.
BLITZER: All right, Barbara, you're also reporting on the intense battle under way right now up on Capitol Hill over the Iran nuclear deal. Give us the very latest.
STARR: A hearing today. Another hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee. The sparring, the jabbing, did not stop. But there was also a very interesting revelation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they can walk, they legally walk from this agreement.
STARR (voice-over): The fireworks over the Iran nuclear deal getting hotter each day.
SEN. MIKE LEE (R), UTAH: Why on earth didn't we insist as a condition precedent to getting any deal at all that Iran, for the love of God, cease and desist from its terrorist ambitions?
JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: It would be great and ideal if one could negotiate that. We felt that we had to keep this targeted on the greatest threat of all, that you just defined, which is the potential of their having a nuclear weapon.