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Mullah Omar Reportedly Dead; Immigrant Crisis Grows in Europe; Malaysia Airlines Debris Found?; Uproar over Lion Killed in Zimbabwe; CNN Interviews Donald Trump

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[15:00:05] JONATHAN MANN, HOST: Tonight Afghanistan says notorious terror leader Mullah Omar is no more.


MANN: The founder of the Taliban apparently died two years ago and the White House says the report is credible.

Then the migrant crisis deepens in the flashpoint gateway of Calais. What the U.K. and France plan to do to crack down on migrants swarming the


Later, could we have a breakthrough in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

Plus Cecil the lion's death has sparked a backlash and the American hunter who killed him is at the center of it all.


MANN: Hello, I'm Jonathan Mann, live at the CNN Center, this is The World Right Now.

Thanks for joining us. After years of speculation about his fate the Afghan Government is now confirming that the leader of the Taliban is dead.

MANN: It says Mullah Omar died back in 2013 in fact in a hospital in Pakistan. We'll talk about what his death could mean for the future of

Afghanistan. But first Nick Paton Walsh looks back at the grim legacy he leaves behind.


NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A friend with Bin Laden in their struggle against the Soviet in Afghanistan. The leader of an

atavistic strand of Islam that took much of Afghanistan back decades. The Taliban a fore shadower to the ISIS curse in the Middle East right now.

He banned women's education, Freedom of Movement, music, homosexuality. They were punished by being crushed under a wall. So much of modern life


And then finally in giving a home sanctuary for America to his old friend Bin Laden he brought the wrath of NATO upon their impoverished world and

began America's longest military involvement. A war that killed over 2,000 American troops and tens of thousands of Afghans who are dying now perhaps

faster than ever as their country still spirals into the void.

Mullah Omar's date of birth is unknown like so much of a man who exists mostly in the world through this one photograph. He hailed from a small

village in Southern Kandahar, lost an eye fighting the soviets, became more religious and education and was set to speak Arabic.

An ethnic passion he would rely upon the harsh tribal and ethnic divide in Afghanistan to build the Taliban. In 1996 he declared himself leader of

the faithful after donning a cloak in Kandahar allegedly once worn by the prophet Muhammad. The strict vision of Islam was unleashed with

amputations stoning for adultery.

And even in 2001 the destruction of the Buddha's of Bamiyan, one of Afghanistan's treasures. Once America came he banished yet further from

sight, probably in crowded Pakistan where Bin Laden also hid in what was known as plain sight.

Occasional messages especially at the Islamic Festival of Eid to bolster the insurgency as it gained weight in 2006. But American's practice of

night raids and continued presence took its toll on his organization killing endless middle ranking leaders, sometimes nightly. A move that

perhaps gave rise to a more radical younger generation of insurgent leaders, and an increasingly scattered Taliban.

They began talking peace with Kabul about to enter another round of talks in Islamabad or even China when his death was announced. But they were

also challenged by a younger even more savage contender; ISIS. Whose leader, Abu Omar Bakr al-Baghdadi claims a similar title as Omar did.

Indeed Omar's deputy chastised ISIS recently for trying to split the insurgency in Afghanistan. Many fearing deeply that the vacuum left by the

hugely symbolic announcement of his death may give rise to something yet worse still.


MANN: And Nick joins us now live from Beirut. Nick a man at the center of the history of his region disappears with hardly a trace and no word for

two years. What do we know about the conditions of his death.

WALSH: A long vanished ahead of time when he was supposed to have died according to this statement from the Afghan Government which the White

House says they believe may be credible, that's April 2013.


WALSH: He'd be in hiding for a substantial period of time ahead of that, really a ghost frankly many thought in terms of his physical presence by a

Talismanic figure in terms of what he meant for Afghanistan and particularly the insurgency that America fought for the longest war it's

had in its history.

Now today has been extraordinarily confusing Jonathan, not a clean announcement from the Afghan government by far. Leaks initially to media

outlets suggesting that a press conference was imminent in which a death would be announced. That press conference didn't announce a death, it said

it couldn't confirm it. Then more leaks.

[15:05:11] The Afghan Intelligence Service saying yes they believed he died in a Hospital in Karachi in Southern Pakistan over two years ago from

an unknown illness. It seems then perhaps maybe the Presidency forced into confirming that statement, Ashraf Ghani, the President on his way to

Germany for medical treatment on his foot which seems when the announcement actually came out. But it is the first time the Government has officially

declared him dead.


WALSH: The Taliban have made no response at this stage, that's rare they normally are quite swift. Maybe they're struggling quite what to say.

They certainly have vital peace talks on Friday with the Afghan Government and I'm sure they want the one question not to be that begins those talks,

who's in charge of you, Jonathan.

MANN: And that is the question. Nick Paton Walsh in Beirut, thanks very much.

Let's get some perspective now on the Taliban leader's death. We're joined by Richard Barrett, a former counter-terrorism director of Britain's MI6

who also headed the Al Qaeda and Taliban monitoring team at the United Nations for nearly a decade.

Thanks so much for being with us. He dropped from sight so long ago and the world's attention outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan has been on ISIS

and maybe a lesser extent to Al Qaeda and other terrorist movements. How important is it for the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan that Mullah Omar

is dead?

RICHARD BARRETT, FORMER COUNTER-TERROISM DIRECTOR, BRITAIN'S MI6: Well I think if we look at the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan it is pretty

significant because Mullah Omar was certainly at least a symbolic leader of the Taliban. He held the movement together, he was the continuation with

the past when they were in power and in control of about 80% of the country. So his death really leaves the movement in disarray because

there's various different factions within it.


BARRETT: One of course wanting peace with the Afghan Government, one wanting to keep on fighting. And then a lot of others, members of the

Taliban who are going to be fighting anyway and they will now say well there's nobody in charge so we're on free reign, we can do what we like.

In Pakistan you have the Haqqani network which of course was part of the Afghan Taliban, it was loyal to Mullah Omar. What will they do now I think

is a question.

And then the Pakistani Taliban which had always disobeyed Mullah Omar which I suppose will be even more empowered by the fact that he's not around


MANN: Now this is doubly important because in the days to come there's going to be another round of peace talks. What's going to happen to them

without him?


BARRETT: Well I think that's a very good question because in fact if the delegation continue and go to the peace talks which are due to start on

Friday, then how will they be able to say that they're speaking with authority? How will they be able to say that they can actually implement

whatever is agreed. So I think that there, you know the credentials that they bring to the table are seriously undermined by this announcement by

the Afghan Government that Mullah Omar is dead.

And that's why I think that the Afghan Government probably you know was obliged to make this announcement because in a way they have to face up to

that because otherwise it will trickle out and then the police talks will look ridiculous.

MANN: Now I wonder if I could ask you to put on your hat as a man who did counter-terrorism for a career. Mullah Omar was a simple village preacher

who eluded being captured or killed for 15 years. How impressive is that?


MANN: That apparently, if reports were to be believed, he died in bed?

BARRETT: Well there you are, yes. I mean this just shows you how difficult it is to get hold of people who are determined to stay out of

sight and Mullah Omar was very much determined to do that. He didn't so far as I know have any use of cell phone or other internet connection, he

would send his messages by audio tape to the ruling body of the Taliban and he met very, very few people. In fact some commanders of the Taliban

resigned from the movement because they complained they could never get hold of him, they could never see him, they could never hear him at close

quarters, so they didn't really believe he was around.


BARRETT: So Mullah Omar, for so long as he was alive, was determined that he would protect his security above anything else.

MANN: And the astonishing thing is that if today's report are to be believed, he died two years ago, and to the extent that they can be trusted

with what they're willing to say in public, it doesn't sound like any Western nation knew it.

BARRETT: Well yes, I mean I'm sure people suspected it and there have been I think six reports of a death before now. We await for confirmation that

this one's true though I rather think it has more credibility than others.

But the fact of the matter is that I think that those people who knew about his death maybe have had an interest in not revealing it. Because for so

long as Mullah Omar is there and for so long as messages can be put out in his name, most recently in mid-July arguing that the Taliban could talk

about peace as well as fighting, then I think he was useful as a symbolic figure whether he existed or not.

MANN: Whether he existed or not. Richard Barrett, thanks so much for talking with us.

BARRETT: Thank you.

MANN: Still to come tonight. A desperate situation in Northern France.


MANN: Thousands of migrants attempting the dangerous journey through the Channel Tunnel surreptitiously. Our correspondent is live from Calais,


[15:10:07] Just ahead a piece of airplane debris turns up just East of Madagascar. Could it be from the ill-fated MH370? All that and much more

when The World Right Now continues.




MANN: Welcome back. The French port of Calais is a flashpoint in Europe's migrant crisis and the situation has gotten even worse in the last few



MANN: More than 3,500 migrants have tried to enter the Channel Tunnel from Calais since Monday. The tunnel runs 50km from a point near Calais to

South Eastern England, a routine journey unless you're trying to sneak across. Workers found the body of one migrant, Tuesday.

British Home Secretary, Theresa May says security has to be improved.

THERESA MAY, BRITISH HOME SECRETARY: The key thing for us to do is to make sure that we have got that security right at Coquelles to ensure that

people are not coming through. And ultimately, actually, the answer to this problem is to ensure that we are reducing the number of migrants who

are trying to come from Africa across into Europe.


MANN: Senior International Correspondent Frederik Pleitgen joins us now from Calais, in Northern France.

Fred, what are you seeing around you? Any hint of what we saw over the last two nights?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh absolutely Jonathan, that's exactly what's going on tonight as well.


PLEITGEN: In fact I'm going to step out of your way right now and I don't know how much we can see but there are a lot of migrants right now that you

can see going down that road here. There's also a police chopper that's in the air above them and you can see them go down the road, they're actually

heading towards the entrance of the Eurotunnel.

And what happened just a couple of minutes ago is that there was a large group of people, there was a police van there in front of them, and all of

a sudden many of them made a charge for the area, for the fence, that leads there towards the entrance of the Eurotunnel where of course a lot of the

trains go into the tunnel there. But what we've been seeing around this area for the entire day Jonathan for the entire time that we've been here,

is that there were a lot of trucks here that were going towards that area as well. We could see a lot of migrants trying to hop into those looking

for any sort of open hatches. Also a lot of truck drivers trying to see whether anybody was trying to hide in any of the openings of the trucks as


So this is obviously something that is ongoing. Something of course that we've heard has been going on over the past couple of days. We do also see

an increased presence of French Police here as well that are trying to come to the terms of the situation but there are really a lot of people that

we've seen of course camping out here in this squatter's camp called the jungle.

It has people from Sudan, from Eritrea, from Afghanistan, Pakistan, from many other people as well desperate to try and make it across the tunnel

into the United Kingdom here from France, Jonathan.

MANN: Now there's talk that the authorities might try to repatriate those squatters. What exactly is the plan?

[15:15:00] PLEITGEN: Well so far we haven't seen any of that as well. We have heard that those talks are underway but there's no sign of that. In

fact one of the things that's been going on is that there have actually been some water pipes that have been laid down to that squatter's camp. It

seems to us as though at this point there is no indication that that squatter's camp would be repatriated.

Of course there has also been talk by the British authorities of trying to get people deported very quickly from - that do make it to the United

Kingdom from places where they are deemed to not be political refugees. But some of the people that we've been speaking to in that squatters' camp

which is known as the Jungle have been there for about a year and they've tried many, many times to make the journey across there to the United


I spoke to one young man who had just come here from Syria. He came from Deir ez-Zor, he had to flee that place when ISIS took over and he says he's

absolutely desperate. He's tried several times to get across, he was here last night when that Sudanese man died who was allegedly run over by a

truck. And he said they were going towards that place, they saw the man get run over and then they all ran away.

But these people are very, very desperate, they all say they want to try it again. There's graffiti all over the place there saying we want to go to

England, Jonathan.

MANN: Why is that? Let's take the example of that man from Syria. He's in France, he's already in a country which is comparably more peaceful and

prosperous than the one he left behind. Why risk his life to go that extra distance to get into the U.K.?

PLEITGEN: It - you know that's a very good question and it is something that we've asked a lot of the folks that we spoke to today. And some of

them said listen we have relatives for instance who are already in the United Kingdom so it will be easier for us to settle there.

Some of the people for instance that we spoke to from Sudan said look we speak English, we want to go to an English speaking country that's why we

want to go there. Some of it is quite frankly only based on rumors saying there's more opportunities for them in the United Kingdom than there might

be on continental Europe.

So many of those are the factors and some of them quite frankly told us look, our journey coming out here has been so dangerous. People for

instance from Eritrea who made their way across Sudan who then stayed in civil war torn Libya for a long period of time. Who then made the journey

across the Mediterranean in a rickety boat across Europe and they say now we're not going to let this tunnel hold us up either, Jonathan.

MANN: Fred Pleitgen in Calais, thanks very much.


MANN: Now to a shocking if familiar story from the United States. Another case in which a white police officer shot and killed an African American.

The officer has now been charged with murder and it all took place during a traffic stop.


MANN: Cincinnati Police say Samuel DeBois was unarmed and was killed as he was driving away.

A warning, some of you may find what we're about to show you disturbing.

RAY TENSING, POLICE OFFICER: I still haven't figured out if you have a license or not. Go ahead and take your seat belt off.

SAMUEL DEBOIS, VICTIM: I didn't even do nothing.

TENSING: Go and take your seat belt off. Stop, stop.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A man was just driving down and (inaudible).


MANN: Police officer, Ray Tensing, could face life in prison if convicted. The Prosecutor in the case had this to say.

JOE DETERS, HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR: I've been doing this for over 30 years. This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make.

Totally unwarranted.


MANN: Turning now to a possible new clue in the hunt for the missing Malaysia airlines flight, MH370.


MANN: Just East of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean local officials have discovered what appears to be a piece of aircraft debris, maybe part of an

airplane wing. It's far too soon to say if it's from MH370 but officials are examining it.

That flight you may recall disappeared with 239 people aboard after taking off in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia in March of 2014. No trace of it has ever

been found.

I'm going to get right to our own David McKenzie. He joins us now from Lions Rock, South Africa. And David a big piece of something. How much do

we know about that hunk of debris?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, what we know at this point is quite little though we have spoken to an airport official in

Le Reunion which is a French territory in the Indian Ocean East of Madagascar.

Now if you look at those images it does appear to be a part of a plane of some kind, that's how they are treating it. They say it's way too early to

tell if it's somehow link or if it's a piece in fact of MH370, that plane that disappeared in March last year, with all those souls on board.

Now they say they are in contact with the BEA, that's the French investigating authority, a very experienced and well respected authority.

And they are deciding whether to investigate it in Reunion or to send that piece of debris to France for further investigations.

[15:20:08] Boeing, we reached out them, they are not commenting at this stage, nor is Malaysian Airlines. It's obviously late into the night in

East Asia, South East Asia, but Boeing did say of course that they are wanting to resolve this issue and find out where the plane is and of course

how it all happened. But at this stage we don't know yet but they're obviously very closely looking at this piece of plane.

If it's not MH370 it still would be a significant piece of plane debris from some kind of issue, certainly. And they're going to find out in the

coming hours or days.

MANN: David McKenzie, live in Lions Rock, thanks very much.


MANN: We turn to breaking news now at the United Nations.


MANN: The UN Security Council just voting on a resolution to establish an international tribunal to prosecute whoever may be responsible for the

crash of another Malaysia Airlines flight, MH17.

You may recall it was shot down over Ukraine. Russia vetoed the resolution.

A plane went down a year ago, over Eastern Ukraine, all 298 people on board were killed. We will have more on the vote coming up later this hour, stay

with us for that.


MANN: Coming up next on The World Right Now. As two men appear in Zimbabwe, in court over the killing of a popular lion.


MANN: International outrage against an American hunter is growing. Details ahead.




MANN: Welcome back, this is what's happening in the business world right now.


MANN: Looking at the big board the Dow Jones Industrials are up. NASDAQ and the S&P up as well in all cases good news from the Fed. The economy is

improving, the jobs outlook is good and European markets, all the arrows headed north as well.


MANN: Two men accused in the death of a popular lion named Cecil have been released on bail by a court in Zimbabwe.


MANN: A Zimbabwean land owner and a professional hunter denied poaching charges which could put them behind bars for up to ten years. But one man

did admit to killing the lion.

An American dentist, Walter Palmer, says he relied on the expertise of local guides as he says ensure a legal hunt. Now Palmer is being hunted

himself online. The backlash reported shutting down Palmer's dental practice in the suburb of Minneapolis.


MANN: That's a major city in the Mid-Western U.S. State of Minnesota. CNN's Ryan Young joins us now live.

Ryan a small - a small time dentist has now become the most infamous big game hunter in Africa. What's the reaction there been?


RYAN YOUNG, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, when you use the words being hunted down, look at his office right now, it's shut down. And in

fact one of his old patients put this sign up on the front door just a few minutes ago. You can read it for yourself, I won't read it for you and you

can see all the lions that people have placed down here.

We've had a few hundred people show up outside the office to protest, no sign of the doctor so far. But people are very upset about this and people

have spoken very passionately here on the steps, yelling, asking for the doctor to give up his practice because of what happened in Africa.

So you can feel the emotion, and even the Governor here in the state weighed in.

MARK DAYTON: It's just horrible. I'm just so disgusted with that man and to shoot any lion but to lure a lion like that out of the you know reserve,

and shoot him. I mean how could anybody think that's a sport? It's just appalling.

[15:25:06] YOUNG: Now I wanted to walk you down this way because they're going to have a protest here in the next few hours. But we wanted to show

you a side that people are taking this so seriously. If you look down in this direction there's an artist who's arrived here and is using the side

of his truck to paint a lion.

People have come from all around to show their displeasure about this. One woman says she doesn't even want this dentist to ever practice in the

United States again and believes he should go to a third world country to start and open a practice to pay for forgiveness for the killing of this


So you can feel the emotions here. It's quite surprising to see all of the people who have been sort of taken up in arms over this and have unified

themselves through social media.


MANN: We seem to have lost Ryan Young. Yes, we'll try and get back in touch with him a little later.

In the meantime we'll bring you other news making headlines around the world next.


MANN: Plus Britain's Home Secretary says the U.K. and France plan to work together to return migrants to their homelands. How feasible is that

really? We'll speak to a human rights lawyer.

And the painfully high price of freedom. Syrian migrants pay thousands to smugglers to get to Northern Europe; more on what they endure coming up.




MANN: Welcome back, a look at what's happening in the World Right Now. Afghanistan's Government says the death of Taliban leader, Mullah Omar

could help talks to end the war.


MANN: Today it confirmed that Omar is dead after years of speculation about his fate. It says he died at a Pakistani hospital in 2013. The

Government is due to resume peace talks with the Taliban this week.


MANN: Thousands of migrants have tried to enter the Channel Tunnel from France to Britain.


MANN: Eurotunnel says 3,500 tried to enter since Monday. Workers found the body of one of those migrants Tuesday.

Britain's Home Secretary says both the U.K. and France are investing heavily in security around the tunnel.


MANN: Two men accused in the death of the popular lion, Cecil have been released on bail by a court in Zimbabwe.


MANN: Authorities also want to question the American dentist, Walter Palmer, who admitted to killing the lion. Palmer said he believed the hunt

was legal.


MANN: Russia has vetoed a UN Security Council Resolution to create an international tribunal to prosecute those responsible for the crash of

Malaysia Airlines MH17 in the Eastern Ukraine.


MANN: Russia indicated earlier that the resolution was premature and too political.


MANN: A senior diplomat said a Russian veto would be an insult to the victims and their families. Our own CNN U.N. Correspondent, Richard Roth,

joins us now live.

And Richard, this sounds like something from the days of the Cold War, the West trying to make a point at the Security Council, and Moscow trying to

protect an allay. It didn't go very well?

RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR U.N. CORRESPONDENT: No, and the veto by Russia blocked the establishment of the International Tribunal to decide how and

if someone should be prosecuted for what happened in the skies over Eastern Ukraine.

[15:30:14] The Malaysian Transport Minister representing his country.


ROTH: There were 298 people who died on that plane, many from the Netherlands, more than two thirds. The Malaysian Transport Minister

expressed disappointment at Russia's veto and before the action by Moscow he spoke of the need for such a tribunal.

ABDUL AZIZ KAPAWRI, MALAYSIAN TRANSPORT MINISTER: It is important for the security council to take clear and decisive action under Chapter 7 of the

United Nations Charter, against those responsible for the downing of MH17, and to send a clear message. A very clear message to the growing number of

non-state actors which are believed here to target civilian aircraft that such attacks are unacceptable.


ROTH: In vetoing the resolution Russia thought it was making it all about politics, he wants more transparency from the investigations that are

underway, there's a Dutch criminal investigation, the findings may be known Jonathan in October.


ROTH: This is not the first video - veto in a long while by Moscow; second this month. That's the first time that's happened by any council or

permanent member since 1997. Russia vetoing a revolution that would have condemned the Srebrenica massacre as genocide.

So a very strong Russian presence once again being made clear at the security council. Three extensions, including China and the one veto

killed it by Russia, 11 in favor. Jonathan back you.

MANN: Richard Roth, live at the U.N., thanks very much.


MANN: We turn back now to a story we were telling you about earlier; the thousands of migrants trying to enter the Channel Tunnel from France to



MANN: CNN has been reporting extensively on the crisis in Northern France. Our own Hala Gorani, went inside the camp the migrants live in to see the

squalid conditions there.

GORANI: Hello, how are you? I meet Abraham from Eritrea. He says he made it to Italy on a boat from Libya, travelled through Europe, only to end up


ABRAHAM: The biggest problem, the first one is the police and this life is a dirty life. Desert.

GORANI: They sleep up to 25 to a tent, there is a cooking area, a tarp serves as a shower curtain. The city says it's doing what it can. After

several months two water pumps were installed. And close to the fence authorities are building to keep jungle residents off the highway.

Electricity poles are going in.

This makeshift camp is divided in sectors by nationality. Here is where the Afghan migrants live, behind there is where Ethiopians and Eritreans

have set up a church. And way behind the bush is where most of the Sudanese migrants have settled.


MANN: Our Hala Gorani. Britain's Home Secretary says both the U.K. and France will work together to return migrants to their own countries, but

how likely, how possible is it?

I'm joined from London by human rights lawyer, Mark Stephens. Thanks so much for being with us.

Let me ask you, do you know any more details about this agreement than we do because the sounds of it it just sounds like a hope. But it's not very

clear how it would work.

MARK STEPHENS, HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER: Well, what's happened is that in this country, The U.K. we have set up a robust system of checks and balances to

ensure that the people who are coming here are proper refugees and if they are they stay here, and if they're not and they're economic migrants for

example then they are returned to their own country after a period of due process.


STEPHENS: The French unfortunately haven't engaged in quite such a robust judicial process in processing the individuals who live in that place which

is called The Jungle. And as a result they've just continued to build, and build, and build there and haven't been dealt with. And it's important

that they are for two reasons really.

One is that if they are in danger and they can't be repatriated then we should give them asylum. And if they are not people who are asylum seekers

and genuine entitled asylum and they are economic migrants then they should be repatriated and not live in those rather squalid conditions.

MANN: How does that speak though to the announced plan? Because if indeed they're going to offer what you call a robust process to distinguish

between economic migrants and persecuted refugees, that's not going to be a quick wholesale repatriation at all.

STEPHENS: Well I think what they have to do is quite often incentivize them and in this country we did do a series of voluntary repatriations. We

sent planes that were chartered back with people who were actually realized that the life that they thought they were going to lead in the United

Kingdom wasn't at all what they expected.


[15:35:04] STEPHENS: And they preferred to go back to the country of origin. That was a minority but it did get rid of a lot of people to begin

with. Then you have to start to process people and weed out who is it that is entitled to stay and who is not.

And I'm afraid the French really have fallen down on the job here.

MANN: The presumptions also, forgive me for interrupting, the presumption is also that you're going to get cooperation from these people. If they're

really eager to get across the channel into the U.K., I'm told some of them destroy their passports and refuse to tell authorities where they're really


STEPHENS: Well if that's right then in those circumstances one who presumes that they are economic migrants and you return them or you send

them to a country. I mean that's the - that's the basis on which you work.

And I think people can't hide their identity. We know what language they speak, we know roughly what ethnicity they are, we know which areas they're

living in, are they in the Afghan area, are they in the Somalia area. Those sorts of things give indicia which I think at the end of the day will

be able to lead people to - to be clear about where they're from so that a proper repatriation process can be put in place.

Really it's about cooperation by the French and the British Governments to ensure that there is in France, a robust repatriation process which

reflects that which is in the United Kingdom. And that everybody is complying with The European Convention on Human Rights, so that the human

rights of the individuals are protected as well.

MANN: Well that's to be hoped for. Mark Stephens, thanks so much for this.

STEPHENS: Thank you.

MANN: Some of those migrants desperate to start a new life are from Syria. Like thousands of others fleeing the civil war many pay an extremely high

price to try to reach European shores.

CNN's Arwa Damon shows us how smugglers prey on vulnerable refugees in this exclusive report.


ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's the illusion that lies beyond these waters, the illusion of a better life in Europe that

drives many to make the treacherous journey.

The vast of majority of them Syrians, their country decimated, they easy prey for the smuggling vultures.

Earlier this year we met this Syrian family that doesn't want to be identified. A barrel bomb hit the home next to theirs covering them in


We used to hid underground sometimes for three to four days, Mohammad says. His children still have nightmares of the dead and shredded bodies.

12 year old (Abadeen) says he wanted to bring his English and Math books. His younger sister, her toys.

Mohammad sold everything to come up with the $5,500 each the smuggler was charging. It's an industry that has always thrived along these Turkish

shores, with their hidden hard to reach coves, now made all the more lucrative.

Facebook pages regularly changing opening advertise smuggling services. The names of known cafes where smugglers can be found spread by word of


We call a number for one of them.


The smuggler asks if I would like to travel by plane or boat. The boat would cost me $5,700 dollars.

Hello. He calls back later and says I can even fly to Europe from Turkey with a European passport that he can obtain and would cost me around


This man (Khalid) is another smuggler who agrees to speak to us as long as we conceal his identity.

The cost varies between Italy or Greece, between $4,000 to $7,000 (Khalid) tells us.

I put you in a home, I get you your food and drink he continues, I call you to tell you that the trip is happening in an hour and to get ready.

From there small fishing boats take the migrants out to larger cargo ships waiting in international waters. But in the last six months, the Turkish

coastguard has cracked down along this particular shoreline on the Mediterranean.

Lt. Col. (Inaudible) shows us the ships in the area. The yellow markers, none of them on this day flagged as suspicious.

The success here forcing the smuggling operations further north into the Aegean where opportunists continue to thrive on the misery and desperation

of others.

Arwa Damon, CNN, (Mardin), Turkey.


MANN: You can see more of Arwa Damon's reporting on the desperate measures so many Syrians are taken to flee their country all in hopes of making it

to Europe. Watch her special series, Migrant Journeys all well, right here on CNN.


MANN: This is The World Right Now. Up next after a beloved lion is killed by a hunter, we look at what more can be done to protect endangered





[15:42.26] MANN: Welcome back. Let's turn back to one of our top stories, the killing of the now very famous lion, Cecil.


MANN: Two men have been released on bail by a court in Zimbabwe, they deny poaching charges. But the man you'll see next, here he is, is an American

Dentist, Walter Palmer, who admitted to killing the lion but insists he thought the hunt was legal.


MANN: 13 year old Cecil was a beloved local attraction but lions are also an endangered species and the killing has renewed calls for a ban on trophy

hunting in Africa.

We're joined now by renowned animal conservationist and wildlife biologist, Jeff Corwin, he joins us now from Boston, Massachusetts. Thanks so much

for being with us. What's your sense of the episode? Do you believe that this hunter went out there and thought all of this was above board and


JEFF CORWIN, ANIMAL CONSERVATIONIST AND WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST: Personally I find it hard to believe. There are a couple of factors here. Number one

he was hunting with two local guides and clearly if they were from this region, and they were familiar with this national park, they would have

known about Cecil. He's a 13 year old well established lion pride master, and he was the ambassador of this national park in Zimbabwe.


CORWIN: They also would have known through their observations that it had a radio collar on. So clearly there was something else going on with this

animal, that he was part of a larger long-term scientific research study with the University of Oxford.

So there are many bits and clues that should have steered them away from targeting this lion.

MANN: Well the argument that some hunters make is that the lions are really, they're helping - they're helping other lions, it's a conservation

minded endeavor because though they hunt for one lion, they pay enormous licensing fees and if it weren't Cecil it would be another lion whose death

in fact would make his community stronger and safer, and I don't even know how to even replicate the argument that they make. But is there anything

to it?

CORWIN: Well today there are only 11 countries left in Africa that allow game hunting, recreational hunting. And for instance Botswana just ended

their open season for hunting.

The truth is is that lions are in a lot of trouble today. The population of lions have been dramatically reduced in just a few decades by 50%

because of climate change, and habitat loss, and human animal conflict from ranching and livestock, and agriculture. All of this has weighed heavy on

the lion population.

There's only about 25,000 lions left in the wild in Africa. So I don't know how one could use hunting as a way to justify managing the population.

[15:45:13] Also keep in mind that this is a national park. This is a protected refuge for animals and landscape and habitat. So it goes against

the protocol and ethics of anyone. Most hunters that I know with regard to going into a national park and luring, bating an animal out to place of

vulnerability and then killing it.

MANN: Apparently that is legal in Zimbabwe, and we can't control that. But a lot of the good doctors .


MANN: I'm sorry, go ahead.

CORWIN: Yes, in Zimbabwe it is not legal to hunt in a national park.

MANN: It is illegal I gather though to lure an animal out of the park which is if they are to believe what they have done. People are appalled,

whether it's legal or not. People are appalled and here in the United States some of the good doctor's neighbors and presumably some of his

patients have tried to shame him by inundating his place of business with a little shrine to the dead lion.

What can ordinary people do beyond express their utter disgust at this?


CORWIN: (Inaudible) one of the most important organizations out there are like for example The African Wildlife Fund, The World Wildlife, The Centers

of Wildlife, there are many organizations out there on the frontlines trying to protect wildlife both in the United States and around the world.

African wildlife is under tremendous pressure. We talked about the environmental and human conflict issues, never mind the issues of poaching.

Rhinos, elephants and even large carnivores fall prey to the poacher's snare quite regularly and it's a $20 billion industry.


CORWIN: It's a result of trinkets and ornamentation, or the traditional medicinal use. But for many reasons we're destroying our planets wildlife

and I think one way we can make a dramatic difference is to help support these organizations on the frontlines educating people, building awareness,

protecting wildlife and habitat.

MANN: Jeff Corwin of Ocean Mysteries, thanks so much for talking with us.

CORWIN: Thank you.


MANN: Coming up some more Americans in the news for very different reasons.


MANN: While negative headlines about a Republican front runner in the race for the U.S. President, why a lawyer says Donald Trump should not get the

top job.

And find out why Bill Cosby can apparently rest assured he will not lose his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.




MANN: Welcome back. U.S. Republican Presidential candidate, Donald Trump, is leading the field in the race for the nomination but as the competition

heats up, some intriguing episodes from his past are emerging.


MANN: Specifically about his behavior during a 2011 deposition, giving a testimony under oath in connection with a legal case.

The opposing attorney at the time was the nursing mother or a newborn baby and Elizabeth Beck says Trump screamed at her and called her disgusting

when she tried to take a break to pump breast milk for her child. The incident was first reported in The New York Times.

[15:50:04] ELIZABETH BECK, ATTORNEY: He had an absolute meltdown when I said that I needed the break and it was for breast pumping purposes, he got

up, his face got red, he shook his finger at me and he screamed you're disgusting, you're disgusting and he ran out of there.

And we were not able to conclude his deposition that day. What kind of a leader of the United States would that be? Is he going to behave that way

when he's negotiating treaties with China or Russia?

MANN: Trump attorney, Alan Garten, doesn't entirely dispute Beck's account but he says it had nothing to do with the request to breastfeed or pump.

Garten says Trump's remark was simply in response to Beck's request for a break during the deposition.

Our Dana Bash, asked the candidate himself.


DANA BASH: She said that you got up, shook your finger, screamed you're disgusting, you're disgusting and ran out.

DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: OK, I watched that, and I thought it was disgraceful. She's a terrible attorney, she lost her case

to me, in fact I won legal fees, the judge awarded legal fees which is pretty rare when you get that. But we beat her soundly, she's got a

terrible reputation in my opinion. She's got just a terrible reputation, other lawyers have called me up to say how bad she was, bottom line I beat

her. And what happened is in the middle of everything, it wasn't breastfeed, you used the word breastfeed, it was breast pump. She wanted

to pump in front of me during a deposition.

BASH: The way she described it is that she wanted to take a break so she could take the pump out.

TRUMP: Not true. In fact if you ask my lawyer who was there, he said I've never seen anything like it.

She wanted to breast pump in front of me. And I may have said that's disgusting, I may have said something else. I thought it was terrible.

She's a horrible person, knows nothing about me. I see her, she's now the great expert of Donald Trump.

BASH: I guess the question isn't so much you know that she's an expert, but she does - she does have an experience which she clearly doesn't think

was very good.

TRUMP: Excuse me, (inaudible) experience, she lost, and that's what the country needs. The country needs somebody that's going to win. We always

lose. We lose on trade, we lose to China, Japan, Mexico, we lose to everybody. Wouldn't it be nice if we could finally win something.

I beat her so badly, she's a vicious horrible person.

BASH: Because you're not a politician, you know we don't have your voting record to go on, we don't have, you know we have your experience as a

business man and part of your experience are legal issues. I guess the question is .

TRUMP: Well let me explain that, let me explain.

BASH: . simply can I - can I just .

TRUMP: So many people are on television that don't know me and they're like experts on me. You know when Michael Jackson died, I knew him very

well, and everybody was talking about Michael Jackson. They didn't know him. They knew nothing. Some of them never even met him. And I sort of

laughed at myself, here they are they're talking about Michael Jackson, they never met him, and that's happening with me.

BASH: But she did - but she - I don't think anybody's saying she's an expert on Donald Trump, she's somebody who .

TRUMP: .. Well she claims to be.

BASH: . she's somebody who is - who is recounting an experience she had. So I guess my question for you is .

TRUMP: Excuse me, it was a bad experience. She lost.

BASH: Right, that is my question for you is people are looking at that, they're thinking OK. If he blows up at a lawyer in a deposition

negotiating what would he do if Vladimir Putin challenged you?

TRUMP: Oh, believe me, he'd be - I'd do very well with him, I get along with people. I didn't blow up in a deposition. I don't blow up. I'm a

person that knows exactly .


BASH: . So that didn't happen? She was - she's wrong, it didn't happen?

TRUMP: She made it up.


MANN: Donald Trump. The controversy surrounding the actor Bill Cosby has led to calls to remove his star from the storied Hollywood Walk of Fame.

But as Sarah Sidner reports, it's never happened in its 50 year history despite some notorious celebrities facing similar calls in the past.


SARA SIDNER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: At one point his star was defaced, and now it leaves two groups are asking to Bill Cosby's star be

removed from the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

They've gotten their answer, and the answer is No. The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce says once a star has been added to the walk it is considered a

part of the historic fabric of the Hollywood Walk of Fame. They have never removed a star.

A walk down memory lane to some of the other stars embroiled in scandal proves they're not kidding. By 2003 Michael Jackson had faced multiple

accusations of child molestation, and paid out at least two multimillion dollar settlements. That year he was also arrested on child molestation

charges. He went to trial, he was acquitted.

MICHAEL JACKSON: I am not guilty of these allegations.

SIDNER: but ignited fury during an interview that aired on ABC when he admitted to sharing his bed with children. He denied ever doing anything

inappropriate. It was a huge scandal. His star stayed put.

[15:55:03] Then there's Pee Wee Herman, the 80s fictional character had a long lasting television show and two movies. But the nerdy child friendly

image was shattered with this. Paul Rubens 1991 arrest for indecent exposure in an X-rated movie theatre for which he pleaded no contest.

More than a decade later he had to register as a sex offender, and police say they found child pornography in his home. Police dropped the porn

charges in exchange for a guilty plea to a misdemeanor possession of an obscene image with the intent to exhibit his collection.

Herman said it was art, not porn. His star, still here.

Charlie Sheen's star still shines here too but over the years he's been accused several times of abusing women.

In 1995 a woman sued him claiming he hit her in the head after she refused to have sex with him. He settled out of court.

In 1997 a court convicted Sheen of battery with serious injury to his then girlfriend, Sheen pled guilty. He violated his parole though by using

cocaine. His star didn't go anywhere.

And then there's this guy if you don't recognize his name, you're not alone. But Spade Cooley was the king of Western swing. An actor and

singer in the 1940s. But in 1961 he was convicted of murdering his second wife. His career ended, but his star stayed right here where it was first



MANN: Sara Sidner. And finally, if you've ever found yourself struggling to lift that 25lb dumbbell at the gym, this is for you.


MANN: A cyclist in Brazil was recorded deadlifting, look at this, a car off a bike path in Brazil with his bare hands, look at that.

It seems like a superhero feat and subtly for cyclists to remind motorists, don't park where we pedal. At the end of the clip, the man calmly remounts

his bike and rides off.

This unbelievable video has some skeptics saying we don't believe it. Well we have to tell you CNN has yet to determine if it's just a stunt. If so

it's an impressive one, an inspirational one if you're a cyclist.


MANN: This is The World Right Now, thanks for joining us, I'm Jonathan Mann. Quest Means Business is next.