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More Aircraft Debris Located; Trump Goes to UK

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[15:00:10] ISHA SESAY, HOST: A significant lead in the hunt for MH370.


SESAY: As investigators move a step closer to discovering whether this piece of debris came from the missing aircraft.

It's a fast moving story with plenty of twists and turns tonight we'll put your questions to our panel of experts.

Plus Donald Trump touches down in the U.K., but he can't escape matters closer to home. And Jeremy Clarkson and company are back with a new show

to rival Top Gear, though some viewers could struggle to see it.


SESAY: Hello, I'm Isha Sesay live from CNN Center, this is The World Right Now.

Investigators are making progress identifying a piece of plane wreckage that could hold the key to solving one of aviation's biggest mysteries, the

disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight 370.

Here's what we know this hour.


SESAY: A source tells CNN Boeing investigators are now confident that the debris found on Reunion Island comes from the 777 aircraft. That is

crucial because MH370 is the only Boeing 777 that is unaccounted for in the world today.

Malaysia is sending teams to Reunion and France to help with investigation. French authorities say no hypothesis can be excluded.


SESAY: Well virtually no-one expected the hunt for MH370 to take such a sharp turn West near Africa. Take a look at this map with me, it things in



SESAY: You can see how Reunion Island near Madagascar is thousands of kilometers away from the official search shown off the Australian coast.

Australian's Deputy Prime Minister talked about the discovery earlier today.

WARREN TRUSS: AUSTRALIAN DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER: This is obviously a very significant development, it's the first real evidence that there is a

possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. It's too early to make that judgment but clearly we are treating this as a - as a -

as a major lead.


SESAY: Well we want to show you now exactly what investigators are studying.


SESAY: The aircraft part that washed up on Reunion Island appears to match schematic drawings for the right wing flaperon from a Boeing 777. This

photo that you see here on your screens of the part was published in the Reunion news site.

It's a little hard to see here but a stenciled component number 657BB is clearly visible. That conforms with the flaperon number from an internal

Boeing 777 maintenance manual posted online. Aviation sources tell CNN they believe these images are authentic.


SESAY: Well 239 were on board flight 370 when it crashed. Their families have been waiting for answers ever since. Their heartbreak magnified by

months of false leads. We could know within hours whether this latest clue may finally provide some closure and Nima Elbagir has more on the

investigation in Reunion.


NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Search helicopters pass overhead scouring the San Andreas shoreline.

This is where the plane debris washed ashore and this is where it was found by the beach cleanup crews who dragged it across the pebbles and leant it

over there against that stonewall cleaning much of the evidence off it in the process. It was only when the police and the special investigation

unit turned up that it began to dawn on them that perhaps they discovered something pretty crucial.

(Johnny) has been working on this stretch of beach for years. As soon as he saw the debris he said he shouted to the rest of the crew to stop what

they were doing somehow he says he knew what it was.

(JOHNNY): (As translated) I thought perhaps it's from a plane crash so I said don't touch it anymore because if it's a plane crash then people have

died and you have to have respect for them.

ELBAGIR: (Johnny) was right, local officials told us the barnacles you see in this picture will be vital in establishing where the debris sank and how

long it's been under water.

This morning, more debris washed ashore.

It appears to resemble the remnants of a passenger carrycase. But of course until further investigations are carried out no-one knows for


Since then police helicopters have been patrolling this stretch of sea trying to get a better line of sight on anything and everything that's

heading towards the shore.

For many of the families of those that disappeared on that plane, this is the first time in a very long time that they're beginning to feel some

faint glimmer of hope.

Hope they might finally know what happened. Nima Elbagir, CNN Reunion Island.


[15:05:12] SESAY: And Nima Elbagir is on Reunion Island as you just saw and she joins us now live with more on what has happened there on the


And Nima looking at your report there it becomes you know hugely apparent that this is an immensely difficult proposition for investigators and

search teams given the terrain that this piece of debris was found on.

ELBAGIR: Absolutely Isha, and you know if it wasn't complicated enough they're also concerns that the volcano here on Reunion is making a lot of

very threatening noises.


ELBAGIR: They've evacuated some of the areas close to that crater so this of course adds another complicating element here and there is just the

infrastructure. Getting out here is very difficult and for a lot of the investigators it is weighing up whether it is about getting this debris to

them as soon as possible and having a closer look at it and getting it to France. We're hearing they're going to try to get it to Toulouse or trying

to learn as much as possible from where this debris was found. Trying to ascertain the kind of - the kind of current patterns that would have

brought this all the way over from Australia by having a look at the tide, having a look at the broader weather formations here on the beach.

It is - it's going to be a very delicate balancing act especially as because for the families now that their hopes have been reawakened, now

that they feel that perhaps there is a glimmer that they could finally get some answers for everyone involved they know that they have to move as

quickly as possible Isha.

SESAY: Nima Elbagir joining us there live from Reunion. Nima, appreciate it, thank you so much.


SESAY: All right we want to bring in our own Tom Sater now to talk a little bit more about current patterns. And Tom, one of the big questions

that we keep hearing from people is you know how could this piece of debris have traveled all the way to Reunion Island? So far away from the search

area that the Australians have been scouring. And people are actually really questioning whether storms could have impacted things here, whether

that could have affected ocean patterns.


TOM SATER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm so glad you brought that up because I've heard with guests we've had interviewed on the air many are

talking about cyclones that were in the region, and that was true, and we've had many in the last year. But understand this, even the strongest

cyclones are not going to disrupt the flow and the strong currents of the ocean. It may take a debris field and spread it out somewhat but that

debris field is going to follow the ocean currents. The storms are not that large that are going to disrupt everything.

Let's compare this first and foremost to what we've learned from the debris from the Japanese Tsunami. Yes they're going to be looking at barnacles.

Now you would think that how many species could there be in one ocean? Sure we know they're different in different oceans but they're going to be

looking at what are warm water, what are cold water species because the currents have changed.

Now, when we look at the pattern, this is from Japan, nothing travels in a straight-line . These are the actual currents that we were able to go back

and find. Notice these little (eddies), debris could get caught up in here and stay for days or weeks. Generally the overall pattern continues to


Now this is the Northern Hemisphere so it goes from obviously the West to the East. This is a longer distance from Japan to the coast of the U.S.

Again, it only took eight to nine months. Why is it 16 and a half months has it taken us to find some debris? One reason, look at the coastline.

Look at this large target for debris to wash upon. We don't have that when we get in closer to where we have this Indian Ocean Gyre.

Now there are millions of tons of debris in the center of all these Gyres; fishing vessel debris, floatation buoys, plastic bottles. But we're

looking at this area, greatest minds but us in this region - recent - region for a reason and as you travel and notice this large circulation, it

is possible the debris from this missing MH370 took just as a long path or a longer path than it did for the debris in Japan.

Up to the North in blue, these are colder currents; this will play a role when you're looking at of course the barnacles.

Warm current to the North. We do not know from this location how far north those - that item may have travelled before it came back around.

We don't have much of a coastline here, it is a miracle by itself that something as small as what could be microscopic travelled thousands of km

and lands on an island the size of a pea. It didn't travel in a straight line, and yes it's closer than Japan to the coast of North America, but it

didn't travel this way as you saw with those (eddies).

We do know in brighter colors the strongest currents are arching in this direction. So we're watching that closely of course Isha, and again when

it comes to the island we're going to get in closer here just so you can get an idea. This was found on the Northern coast of La Reunion. I would

be looking on the Northern coast of all of these areas. It's too bad Madagascar is parallel to the flow, it could be they've missed a lot

already, maybe that's why it's taken 16 and a half months.

SESAY: Oh, so, so challenging. Tom Sater, there joining us. Tom I appreciate the perspective, thank you so much.


[15:10:11] SESAY: Well we're joined now by a pioneer in ocean exploration. David Gallo co-lead the successful effort to locate the

wreckage of Air France flight 447. He also helped create the first detailed map of the Titanic. David is now director of special projects at

the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

Thank you so much for joining us David. Given where this piece was found there on Reunion Island and what people are saying well the hope on the

part of many that it is indeed part of MH370, some are calling into question the calculation of the search area that for many, many months the

Australians have been working in. Does that sound fair to you?



have for this piece in particular is could it have come from the primary search area, and the simple calculations, just making some simple

assumptions is that the currents are going in the right direction as we just heard, counter-clockwise, ending up in that spot toward Reunion, in

the Western part of the Indian Ocean.

Did it have time to do that in the 16 months absolutely it could have done that. So I don't think that there's anything about this piece being

located in Reunion Island that says that they should change the search area, which is based on satellite information not on drift.

SESAY: So talk to me about the hard work which kicks in if indeed this part is confirmed as being from MH370. The work that it will take to

basically calculate where it came from.

GALLO: Well I think you're going to see everyone that's got a model - that can make a model of current flows is going to be trying to backtrack this

over the 16 months.

They need to know about the winds, they need to know about the currents, they also need to know about the storms. And they would need to know about

whether this object was sticking out of the water quite a bit or was it in the water quite a bit. Because that will depend on whether it's being

blown about by wind and waves.

I think the main impact of this item being found is the emotional impact on the families it's horrific. And they've been waiting for so long and

hoping against hope that this day would never come. Most of them I think still hope that the plane - it was safe and sound some place. And then on

the teams that have been out there for months, and months, and months, surveying without finding anything, I think this finally is the first

tangible bit of evidence that they are looking for a plane that went down somewhere in the Indian Ocean.

So I think the - among other things the emotional impact that this will have on the families and on their search teams is pretty huge.

SESAY: David and some have raised the point that you know as part of the calculation or the back calculation if you will to tracing where this

debris came from, you have to factor in the fact that the main wreckage itself could have moved during the many months it has been missing if this

is indeed part of MH370.

GALLO: If it's on the bottom that usually is pretty stable. But with Air France 447, we had a debris field that was only a few days to a couple of

weeks old, so it was fairly recent, maybe 80 miles away from where we - the last known position was.


GALLO: And the retro drift, we call it retro drift modeling actually put us in the wrong place. So that was, compared to this, that was relatively

easy and yet we were - the retro drift modeling sent us into a haystack for which there was no needles.

So we spent two months surveying a place where the retro drift modelers were fairly certain the plane would be and the plane was not in that area.

So it's a very complicated and non-linear sort of thing to figure out where that piece began its journey.

SESAY: It's fascinating. David Gallo, we appreciate your time and your insight today. Thank you so much.


SESAY: Well you can get all the latest developments on this developing story from our website,


SESAY: Also we want to know what questions you have. Send them to us on twitter using the #MH370Qs, that's MH370Qs.

And then tune in later in the show when we'll put some of your questions to our very own Richard Quest, and a formal NTSB Managing Director. That

expert panel coming up in just about 20 minutes.


SESAY: Well still to come; a wash-up piece of debris has thrust the tiny French territory of Reunion Island into the world's spotlight.


SESAY: We'll be live there with the latest with our correspondent.

Backlash is mounting to an American dentist who killed a beloved lion in Zimbabwe. Has Dr. Walter Palmer gone underground?

All of that and much more when the World Right Now continues.




[15:17:02] SESAY: Welcome back everyone, let's bring you the latest on our top story; that debris found on Reunion Island.


SESAY: A source says Boeing investigators are highly confident it is from a Boeing 777 jet. Malaysia Airlines flight 370 is the only Boeing 777 that

disappeared over water and is still unaccounted for.


SESAY: While the families of the passengers and crew have endured many false leads during the nearly 17 months search for the vanished plane so

they're treating the news about the debris with cautious skepticism and a wait and see attitude.

Sarah Bajc's, Philip Wood, was on board MH370.


SARAH BAJC: It's just one more image of something we don't have confirmation of. You know if Grace and Chiquita and (inaudible) had said

yesterday as well, we've had so many instances of this, you know false alarms that until there's some verification we need to step back from it

otherwise it's just too exhausting.


SESAY: Well most of the 239 people on the Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing were Chinese.

CNN's Will Ripley joins me now from Beijing with more on what these relatives are saying.

Will, what are they telling you?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You know Isha as we start to hear from them more publically in the coming days, and I think yesterday

the family members told us they really did need time to process everything that's happening. I think starting in the morning here, later this morning

and throughout the next few days people will start to want to come forward and to talk and to tell others how they're feeling.


RIPLEY: And it's going to be a real mixture of emotions. For some people this discovery, if it is indeed from MH370, it may be enough for them to

finally accept OK, the plane went down, all my loved ones probably have been lost, and maybe they can have some closure and move on with the

grieving process.

However there will be others who say until they see, the actual plane, until they see remains, they're not going to believe it. And they still

have hope, they have some small shred of hope that somewhere out there the people who they love are still alive. They're really in limbo and they're

not getting any information.

They want their assistance center back open, they want to have the chance to gather back together. They want the assistance of counseling that they

had in the initial months because all of that has been taken away from them. They feel really alone and left out of the loop right now, Isha.

SESAY: And Will to that point, what they want, the assistance center re- opened, the counseling reinstated, have they put those demands to the authorities? Have they been formally made, and if so what response have

they received?

RIPLEY: The families made that demand in a statement that a number of the families drafted together and sent to us now a number of hours ago. So far

the only response from the Chinese Government has been that they're aware of the situation, they're monitoring developments.

Of course the Chinese Government discourages gatherings, they've even discouraged the families from gathering. They allowed the families to

protest outside the Malaysian Embassy once. But other attempted protests over the last year have been broken up by the Government which doesn't

allow that sort of thing. Even group interviews have been -have been broken up and raided by the police.

[15:20:13] They want these families to be at home - to be apart from each other and to move forward. They don't want the social disruption.

Malaysian Airlines hasn't said whether they're going to reestablish an assistance center but given their dire financial straits a lot of people

are telling us it seems quite unlikely.

So at least for now, these families do feel like they're going to have to go at it alone when what they really feel they need is to be with each


SESAY: Yes, and it's a very, very sad situation.


SESAY: And the hope is that they will get answers soon to provide them with that much needed closure. Will Ripley joining us there from Beijing,

well appreciated, thank you.

Coming up the rest of the day's top stories. Plus Republican Presidential hopeful Donald Trump continues to lead the GOP pack.


SESAY: But can he beat any of his democratic rivals? We'll tell you the results of a new poll. Stay with us.




SESAY: Welcome back everyone. Jerusalem Police have arrested the man suspected of stabbing six people at a gay pride parade.

We want to warn viewers that the video you are about to see might be disturbing.


SESAY: Police say one person was critically injured at the parade Thursday. The man they've arrested has been identified as Yishai

Schlissel, an Orthodox Jew who was recently released from prison.

He'd been serving a 10 year sentence for a stabbing at another gay pride parade in Jerusalem in 2005. Israel's Prime Minister called the incident

very serious and said all Israelis have the freedom to live as they choose.


SESAY: Well thousands of migrants in Northern France remain undeterred in their attempts to enter the U.K. through the Channel Tunnel.


SESAY: British Prime Minister, David Cameron, told the BBC his country isn't the safe haven that migrants hope it will be. Mr. Cameron is being

scrutinized after calling them "swarms of migrants" on the ITV news. Critics are blasting that language as de-humanizing.


SESAY: U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders is lagging far behind his Democratic challenger for the Presidential nomination, Hilary Clinton.


SESAY: But Sanders would defeat Republican front runner, Donald Trump according to a new poll.

Quinnipiac University shows that Sanders would top Trump 44% to 39%. Max Foster joins us now from Turnbury, Scotland, where Trump recently acquired

a new course.


SESAY: Max, good to have you with us. Donald Trump landed in Scotland a short time ago and was met by an eager press pack. Tell us about the

welcome he got.


MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well he arrived on that helicopter behind me in front of his hotel. It's a Trump helicopter, the

trump hotel, huge amount of sort of fireworks around him and then he's swamped by Scottish reporters who all bombarded him with questions about

Mexican immigration, or illegal Mexican immigrants in the United States.

It's a subject he can't get away from so he ends up talking about it yet again. But to be fair to him he answers all the questions that were being

thrown at him and there were multiple questions throughout the day going from all sorts of different subjects.

But in terms about of reaction amongst Brits to him, well it's interesting. Because everyone does seem to know who he is. They know about his very

controversial remarks, and most people find them very distasteful. But in terms of his contribution to this area, to business, to jobs, and to the

sport, they were quite approving. Just listen to a few comments which were typical of the sort of people I've been speaking to today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From what I can understand he's doing a good job of the cause, but the man himself is to be a bit of a joke.

[15:25:07] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His recent comments about Mexicans I think seemed very silly comments to me. However he's got a history of doing

fantastic things for golf both women's and men's and you know putting on events like this is magnificent. So as a person, no thanks, but I can't

fault his business and what he's been doing for golf.


FOSTER: The British Women's Open is on at the moment. Everyone he says the tournament's going brilliantly it's just that he sort of outshines it

in a way so I have to say some of the golf reporters a bit disappointed about that.


FOSTER: But you know, it's the Trump show.

SESAY: (Laughing) It certainly is. You know as you mentioned he talked about a lot of the issues that are dominating the campaign cycle right now

so it certainly doesn't sound like he's off the campaign trail whilst he's there in the U.K. Do we know any more about the rest of his agenda while

he's over there?

FOSTER: Well yes tomorrow he heads up to Aberdeen, he's a controversial figure up there because he's objecting to an off-shore Wind Farm which

would spoil the views of a resort he's planning up there. So he's a bit more controversial up there, come to blows with the local authorities.

Here today, he went to a press conference and it was extraordinary the amount of coverage he gets through in terms of one press conference. He

went everything - he went from everything from big game hunting to Scottish separatism to relations with Russia and China. And this was a moment I

thought was interesting today, he even broached World Peace, and how he could sort that out because he would make friends with Russia and China who

are making friends amongst themselves at the moment which he thinks is a problem.

DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we're so politically correct in our country that people are sick and tired of it and

things aren't getting done. So I don't think - certainly you want to be diplomatic. I mean we're diplomatic in our country and everybody hates us

all over the world. We're politically correct and the world hates the United States, if you look at it.

The world takes advantage of the United States on trade, on just about everything, and we're so nice to every - I mean they're nice, they're as

you say politically correct, and yet we've never been more unpopular. And it's probably almost never been a more dangerous time.


FOSTER: So he's going to reach out to Russia, reach out to China, he's going to invest in the military, he's going to play tough. So that's how

he's - he says literally you can create world peace through that. So his promises are big and as you say, people are believing his word in the

Republican Presidential race at the moment.


SESAY: We'll see what happens next. Max Foster joining us there from Scotland. Let's see if he can give you a lift in that helicopter behind

you there Max. Appreciate the reporting, thank you.

FOSTER: We have asked.

SESAY: (Laughing), I know you have. Thanks, Max.

Now Trump's international holdings extend beyond Scotland.


SESAY: The billionaire businessman has real estate in at least seven different countries including India, Panama, the Philippines, South Korea,

and Turkey. He owns more than a dozen golf courses across the U.S. island and the United Arab Emirates.

Trump also runs a series of high end hotels that bear his name with three international locations in Toronto, Panama City, and Ireland. And plans to

expand in Vancouver and Rio de Janeiro.


SESAY: The latest world news headlines just ahead.


SESAY: Plus, your questions answered. Please ask CNN anything about the Malaysia Airlines mystery using the #MH370Qs. We'll put some of those to a

panel of aviation experts.

And Jeremy Clarkson is back to challenge his old show, Top Gear, but his new program may be a little bit more difficult to watch.

We'll be live with our correspondent Samuel Burke, a little later on in the show.




[15:31:02] SESAY: Welcome back everyone, this is what's happening in the World Right Now.

Authorities are making progress identifying a plane part that could help determine the fate of Malaysia Flight 370.


SESAY: Boeing investigators are now confident that the debris found on Reunion Island comes from a 777 aircraft. That is crucial because MH370 is

the only Boeing 777 that is unaccounted for.


SESAY: Jerusalem police have arrested a man suspected of stabbing six people at a gay pride parade. Police say he's an Orthodox Jew who was

recently released from prison.


SESAY: He was serving a sentence for stabbing at another gay pride parade a decade ago.

The Taliban have now confirmed that Mullah Muhammad Omar is indeed dead. The Afghan Government have said he died two years ago. CNN Affiliate GN

News says the Talban have appointed Omar's second in command to succeed him.


SESAY: And the U.S. state of Ohio, a white former (inaudible) police officer has pleaded not guilty in the shooting death of Samuel Debois.


DeBois, who is black, was killed during a traffic stop earlier this month. Ray Temping have been charged with murder and voluntary manslaughter. His

bond is set at $1 million.


SESAY: Well returning now to our top story of what's been called a major lead in the search for MH370.


SESAY: The aircraft part that washed up on Reunion Island appears to match schematic drawings for the right wing flaperon from a Boeing 777.

This photo of the part was published in a Reunion news site. A stencil component number 657BB is clearly visible. That conforms with a flaperon

number from an internal Boeing 777 maintenance manual posted on line.


SESAY: Extensive but clearly not exhaustive. Investigators have kept the hunt for MH370 going since it disappeared over a year ago. Randi Kaye

looks at the evolution of that search.


RANDI KAYE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: March 8, 2014, just after midnight in Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia Airlines flight 370 takes off bound for

Beijing, 239 people on board.

ATC: 370, 32 right, cleared for take-off. Good night.

MH370: 32 right cleared for take-off. MAS370. Thank you, bye.

KAY: 40 minutes into the flight the airplane's transponder suddenly goes dark.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: The plane's transponder is effectively the instrument which sends out a signal to air traffic control,

it tells you what height it's at, which direction and what speed it's travelling. Suddenly this giant 777 is blind to the world.

SESAY: It's the middle of the night and the plane simply vanishes, no distress call. An air traffic control waits two hours before notifying

emergency responders.

DAVID SOUCIE, FORMER FAA ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR & INSPECTOR: That two hours was incredibly critical towards finding the aircraft and finding it if

there were survivors.

SESAY: At first, the search focuses on the South China sea, where the plane fell off the radar. Then it shifts to the Southern Indian Ocean

where it's believed the plane turned off course. Early on numerous false leads, oil slicks in the ocean of Vietnam. A floating yellow object

thought to be a life raft, turns out to be sea trash.

And Chinese satellite images showing three white objects floating near the plane's last confirmed position. It turns out those images were released

by mistake.

KAYE: The search later turns to the southern part of the Indian Ocean after new radar and satellite communications are analyzed it's believed the

plane's communication system was still automatically sending out electronic handshakes to a satellite even though the transponder was dark.

This allows authorities to plot its mysterious course.

The search area moves again in late March.

HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN, MALAYSIAN ACTING TRANSPORT MINISTER: MH370 flew at a higher speed than previously thought which in turn means it used more fuel

and could not travel as far.

The Australian authorities have indicated that they have shifted the search area approximately 1,100 km to the northeast.

[15:35:09] KAYE: High tech listening devices called towed pinger locators are deployed along the bottom of the sea listening for sounds from the

pinger attached to the black box, and they pick up a signal.

It's the first sign of hope.

TONY ABBOTT, AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: We have very much narrowed down the search area and we are very confident that the signals that we are

detecting are from the black box.

KAYE: But the signal fades before the black box is located. Autonomous underwater vehicles which map the ocean floor are also used. 22 planes and

19 ships on the hunt, still no answers.

More than 16 months since the disappearance authorities are still looking for the missing plane but with much fewer resources.

ABBOTT: It can't go on forever but as long as there are reasonable leads, the search will go on.

KAYE: This latest discovery perhaps the lead they were waiting for.

Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.


SESAY: Perhaps. Well so far this piece of debris is prompting more questions than its answering.


SESAY: You've been weighing in with your own questions online. You can tweet CNN using the #MH370Qs. Let's take some of the ones we've received

throughout the day and put them to our experts right now.


SESAY: You saw our own aviation correspondent, Richard Quest, in Randi Kaye's report a moment ago, he's one of the two experts I want to bring in


Also with us Peter Goelz, a former managing director for the U.S. National Transportation Board, it is great to have you both with us. Gentleman


Let me start with this first question for you. (Mark) on Twitter wants to know what other wreckage might we see wash up on the beach if anything?


SESAY: Peter, what do you think?

PETER GOELZ, FORMER MANAGING DIRECTOR, U.S. NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION BOARD: Well you would have to have fairly light buoyant pieces. You could see

more of the wing, you might eventually see some luggage wash up, other internal floatable parts of the aircraft. But hopefully we will pick up

another piece or two or many more.

SESAY: Richard, what do you think?

QUEST: I think that as Peter points out, those that would float you would hope you can find but it's a vast ocean. And remember those currents have

dispersed what was already a very, very difficult task.

You may - you may get another piece of debris but may be 700 miles North or South. It may be on a different part of the East African coast.

So the time for seeing debris or finding debris is immediately after the incident. We hope we'll find more but it will be a very, very long shot.

SESAY: All right, well with that being said, what if this is the only piece they find, how much can we glean from it? One user wants to know how

unique this flaperon is on the Boeing 777 versus other types of aircraft. Either of you, Richard, help us understand.

QUEST: It is a unique piece to the 777 but obviously there's many hundreds of them made for each - for the whole fleet. So yes it's a unique piece,

it's designed, milled, manufactured specifically for the 777 and it will be recognized as such.

If this is the only piece of debris, it will tell them a bit about how the plane came out of the sky and entered the water. But you know - is it

going to give up the secret of what happened to MH370? I fear not.

SESAY: And Peter, your thoughts on what this would mean if it's the only piece that is found.

GOELZ: Well, as Richard said it's going to be a very small piece of a very big puzzle.

You know you may be able to tell from the fracture points and you know from how it separated from the rest of the wing whether the plane hit in a nose

down attitude, or whether it hit - pancaked into the ocean. But it's not going to give you much information at all about how it got there and why it

got there.

SESAY: Right now the active search area is being led by Australia, thousands of miles from Reunion in the Southern Indian Ocean. So one

Twitter user wants to know if the search area will change if more debris does indeed wash up on the beach.

How do you respond to that Richard?

QUEST: No is the short answer and before I go any further I want to know if Peter agrees with that, that it doesn't - because it's based on the

Inmarsat data, it's not based on where a piece of - it's not based on where this has been found, it's faced on other data. Peter?

[15:40:03] GOELZ: I think that's right. I mean the art of you know tracing back a piece of floating material to where it began based on ocean

currents is a very inexact science.

At the very best they might be able to eliminate some portion of the northern part of the arc, but that would be a long shot. I don't think

it's going to help at all, I agree with Richard.

QUEST: And that - that's the disappointing part of the secret it's not going to give up. People are looking at this - it will give the scintilla

of closure that the families can know that the plane did succumb to the water but it will not tell them where.

SESAY: OK, and let me interject with my own question at this point. It won't tell them where, you're both saying it won't lead to a change in

where investigators, search teams are looking. Will it change how they're conducting the search?

QUEST: No, absolutely not. They are searching based on Inmarsat satellite handshakes. They've said if they don't find anything over 120,000 square

kilometers they've exhausted the evidence that's taken them to that part of the world. They would only carry on searching with further evidence. It's

a sad reality, but this debris doesn't link to where the plane went down.

SESAY: All right, back to viewer questions now. (Laura) asks this; why isn't anyone discussing the possibility that the plane may have flown

toward Reunion Island instead of the presumed zone? I mean that seems like a fair question.

GOELZ: Well it is a fair question but you know the key evidence that we have as Richard has referenced are the so called handshakes from the

Inmarsat satellites. These were connections from the aircraft to the satellite that gave us a range of possibilities of where it was and there

is no evidence that indicates that this aircraft turned towards Reunion Island. We know that it's in a certain segment of the ocean, unfortunately

it's a very vast area.

SESAY: (Mandy) Tweeted us the million dollar question in the minds of many; if this piece came from MH370 are we any closer to the plane's black

box? That's the real key element in all of this isn't it gentleman in terms of deciding or determining I should say what actually happened here

to this aircraft.

QUEST: It's a different way of asking the same question, where's the wreckage? And the answer is it doesn't tell us.

They are still searching - the biggest - one of the biggest myths out there at the moment is that sort of everybody's packed up and gone home. Not a

bit of it. Throughout the last year they have had three or four sometimes more, ships searching. They're down to one or two for the winter months,

but that search operation lead by the Australian, the ATSB, paid for by the Australians and the Malaysians, that is still ongoing.

SESAY: Gentlemen my thanks to you both for your expertise. Richard Quest, Peter Goelz from the NTSB - Former Managing Director of NTSB, great to have

your perspectives today, thank you so much.


GOELZ: Thank you.

SESAY: And you're watching The World Right Now. Coming up, angry critics lash out online at a man who killed a prized African lion.


SESAY: We'll tell you what they're saying.




[15:45:36] SESAY: Welcome back everyone, I'm Isha Sesay, you're watching The World Right Now.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is asking the American dentist who killed Zimbabwe's famous Cecil the lion to contact them after they say

multiple efforts to reach him were unsuccessful.


SESAY: Dr. Walter Palmer appears to be in hiding as protests mushroomed outside his now closed dental practice. He did send a letter to his

patients though. It reads in part "I had no idea the lion I took was a known local favorite, was collared, and part of a study, until the end of

the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt. I have not been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe

or in the U.S. about the situation but will assist them in any inquiries they may have."


SESAY: Well we have the latest now from CNN's Ryan Young, in Bloomington, Minnesota.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Isha, what a difference a day makes. If you look behind me you don't see the hundreds of people that

were gathered here to protest this (inaudible). But in the last 24 hours someone has shown up and taken all the protests sign down but there is

still a lot of emotion inside this community.


Where is Dr. Walter J. Palmer.

MARK DAYTON, MINNESOTA GOVERNOR: I am just so disgusted with that man and shoot any lion but lure a lion like that out of the, you know reserve, and

shoot him, I mean how could anybody think that's sport? Just appalling.

YOUNG: CNN tried to find him at his Minneapolis home but no-one answered the door in fact he has gone underground after releasing this statement

which read in part "I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally, resulted in the taking of this lion."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Reserves are meant to preserve wildlife and not to just lure them off and poach them.

YOUNG: Now Dr. Palmer, a wealthy dentist from Minneapolis finds himself under a torn of criticism after a conservation group alleged that Dr.

Palmer and his guides lured Cecil out of the park sanctuary and shot it with a bow and arrow. Then pursuing the animal another 40 hours before

killing, skinning and beheading him, all for a trophy kill.

Zimbabwe authorities say Palmer paid at least $50,000 for the hunt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We (inaudible) one of the icons, a male lion, which was popular known in the end as Cecil.

YOUNG: And now the dentist with a practice and a home in this upscale neighborhood finds himself being hunted as questions remain whether he will

face charges in Zimbabwe.

Protestors took to the streets in front of his Minnesota office which has since been shuddered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He can apologize until the cows come home but for us it's more about we're here for Cecil, we're not here for Dr. Palmer.

YOUNG: But this isn't the first time Dr. Palmer's big game hunting hobby has gotten him in trouble. Court documents show that an individual the

same age as the dentist was put on probably years earlier for killing a black bear in Wisconsin, and then lying to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services

about it, he pleaded guilty, he got probation and paid a $3,000 fine.

And in Zimbabwe conservation officials say that the hunters tried to destroy the research tracking collar Cecil wore. These two men seen here

have since been arrested for the slaying, a professional hunter and land owner released on $1,000 bail, both facing upwards of 10 years in jail,

their attorney says they are innocent.

Dr. Palmer says he relied on their expertise as guides to "ensure a legal hunt."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's about image for Africa and it shouldn't be condoned and I think action should be taken for that.

YOUNG: But back Stateside, questions still remain of what is to become of Dr. Palmer? With many on social media mourning the lion's demise, steadily

coming to a boil of anger and outrage, even late night show host Jimmy Kimmel responded at one point choking up.

JIMMY KIMMEL: If you want to do something, if you want to make this into a positive, you can - sorry, OK. Make a donation to support them at the very

least, maybe we can show the world that not all American's are like this jackal here.


YOUNG: And we still haven't heard from the dentist directly but we do know he released a letter to his patients telling them he's sorry for the

inconvenience, and that he believed that he was on a legal lion hunt. Isha?

[15:50:02] SESAY: Thanks, Ryan Young, there for the reporting.


SESAY: Coming up sacked Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson is back to make a rival show on Amazon. It's just another sign the retailer is transforming

entertainment by streaming T.V. shows, and movies online.




SESAY: Welcome back everyone you're watching the World Right Now. A billionaire South Korean businessman has thrown his hat into the ring for

one of sport's most powerful jobs.


SESAY: He already owns a large chunk of the Hyundai group and now in aid of Chung Mong-Joon says the mogul is expected to join the race to replace

Sepp Blatter as FIFA president.

Chung said to Reuters that FIFA can't be left in its current disgrace referring to the corruption scandal that followed Swiss and U.S.


His official announcement should come sometime next week.


SESAY: The former host of the smash TV hit Top Gear, is getting back behind the wheel online.


SESAY: Amazon has hired Jeremy Clarkson and his two Co-Presenters to host a new car show. The program is part of Amazon's move into streaming T.V.

shows and movies.

You may remember Clarkson was sacked by the BBC after a physical altercation with a producer.


SESAY: Well Samuel Burke is tracking Clarkson's new venture and joins me now live from New York. Samuel good to have you with us.

And Jeremy Clarkson's already in fine form, socking it to the BBC.



BURKE: let me just show you what he said in the statement that Amazon put out when they announced this show. Richard Clarkson saying "I feel like

I've climbed out of a biplane and into a spaceship." And he wasn't the only one sending out messages to the public. His co-star, Richard Hammond

also sending out a message but this one via Twitter he says "I've got a job - I've got a job - I've got a job, haircut, clean jeans and practice

driving again." Forward those three go.

But it's quite a day if you stop and think about it Isha, you can now buy your socks and watch a motoring show with Jeremy Clarkson all on the same


SESAY: It's pretty amazing. I mean Top Gear had massive reach so the question now is Samuel how will Amazon stack up?

BURKE: Well it's interesting because the BBC says that Top Gear had an audience of more than 300 million people...

SESAY: Incredible.

BURKE: This show literally had its place in the Guinness Book of World Records. Now some analysts that I've been talking to says that Amazon

Prime only has about 50 million people worldwide in their estimates. But of course the reason Amazon is investing in this show and you can imagine

it cost them a pretty penny, they'd like it to be in the hundreds of millions.

And remember Amazon Prime is very important for Amazon, you get free shipping with it, you get online music similar to Spotify, and you get the

streaming video service where the show will now appear.


SESAY: Big picture, is Amazon Prime the next Netflix?

BURKE: Well I think it's interesting because in a way I think Amazon has already signaled that they're ready to compete with Netflix, they had that

show Transparent which has had really true critical acclaim from so many people.


BURKE: That's the show about a senior citizen who's transitioning from being a man to a woman; that's been a real knockout success. And so in

some ways that might even have been riskier than this one because Top Gear is already a proven success. Of course this show won't be called Top Gear,

that show continues with - on the BBC. But this is going to have all the parts that made Top Gear.


BURKE: So it'll be interesting to see but this isn't as big a risk in many ways.

[15:55:02] SESAY: No it isn't but I am interested Samuel if you've been able to gage the reaction among certain fans of Jeremy Clarkson. What do

they say? Obviously they're thrilled he's on a spaceship now I think is what he said.

BURKE: Yes, that's right no I think people are very excited especially given the nature of Amazon, that it's available on so many platforms, you

can watch it on a tablet, on a phone, those people are very excited.

But you know some Americans around here in the offices have been saying Jeremy who because you know we're just kept out of the loop sometimes.


SESAY: Yes, sometimes you really are. But you know we still love you. Samuel Burke, joining us there from New York. Sam we always appreciate the

insight, thank you so much.


SESAY: Now, a quick update on our top story, what's been called a major lead in the search for MH370.


SESAY: A spokesperson with the French Ministry of Justice says that the piece of debris will leave the small island on which it was found Friday.

It is expected to arrive in Paris on Saturday. From there it will travel to a town near Toulouse.

Here's what we know right now. The aircraft part that washed up on Reunion Island appears to match schematic drawings from the right wing flaperon

from the Boeing 777. This photo of the part was published in a Reunion news site.

A stencil component number 657BB is clearly visible. That conforms with the flaperon number from an internal Boeing 777 maintenance manual posted

on line.


SESAY: Well, this has been The World Right Now, thank you for watching. Quest Means Business is up next.