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Possible MH370 Debris Examined; Ebola Vaccine in Trials; Terror Attack on Palestinian Home; Will US Extradite Lion's Killer?; Trump in Scotland

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[15:00:00] JONATHAN MANN, HOST: Tonight, anticipation builds for final confirmation that the debris being packed into that crate is a piece of

MH370. What's taking authorities so long as families endure an agonizing wait.

A potential breakthrough on Ebola. The world could have a new weapon against the horrific disease. Then fury and misery in the West Bank a

toddler's senseless killing strikes a chord even in a region all too familiar with violence.

And, could Cecil the lion's killer face justice in Zimbabwe?


MANN: Hello, I'm Jonathan Mann, live at CNN Center, and this is The World Right Now.

Thanks for joining us. Officials from Malaysia, France, Australia, and Boeing are all weighing in now and they all say the piece of aircraft that

washed up on Reunion Island belongs to a Boeing 777.


MANN: There's only one Boeing 777 currently missing and unaccounted for right now, Malaysia Airlines flight 370. The debris has been packed up and

will be transported to France for analysis on Saturday or in the days to come.

MH370 vanished a year ago last March during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. 239 people onboard.

Nima Elbagir joins us now live from Reunion Island with the latest.


MANN: Nima two important packages on their way to France right now. Can you tell us what's being happening there today?

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well the packages were - I mean we saw it happen when they were being crated out, this is a really

delicate operation and they're trying to conserve as much of that evidence as they can. They're really trying to make sure that the investigators

have everything that they need to work with.


ELBAGIR: That is now on its way to France. The section of the plane that will be landing tomorrow morning outside of Toulouse to the investigation

center there. The remnants of the suitcase, that'll be making its way to Paris, all taking us one step closer to finding out what happened to MH370.

But of course here on Reunion the search continues.

Take a look at this Jonathan.

WARREN TRUSS, AUSTRALIAN DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER: There's strong evidence to suggest that the wreckage found on Reunion Island does come from a Boeing

777. That has not yet been confirmed.

ELBAGIR: The wreckage discovered on this remote beach on Reunion Island may possibly belong to missing Malaysia Airliner MH370.

Boeing investigators say they're confident the mysterious airplane part comes from a 777.

Beach cleanup crews discovered the wreckage on Wednesday locating the flaperon along the shore.

A flaperon is part of an airplane wing and investigators say the photos match schematic drawings from a Boeing 777. They say photos also show a

stenciled number that corresponds to a 777 as well.

TRUSS: It's only a very small part of the aircraft but it could be a very important piece of evidence.

ELBAGIR: Also washing ashore remnants of what appear to be a suitcase, though there is skepticism that this piece of luggage may come from MH370.

Island police confirm it is being included in the investigation. This wreckage discovered almost a year and a half after MH370 disappeared.

Located more than 2,300 nautical miles away from the current search zone off Australia's West Coast.

TRUSS: The fact that this wreckage was - it was sighted on the northern part of the Reunion Island is consistent with the current movements.

ELBAGIR: As investigators in France await the arrival of the debris a U.S. Intelligence Assessment suggests someone in MH370's cockpit may have

deliberately set the plane off course.


ELBAGIR: Four French citizens are part of those missing on MH370, so this is subject to a French judiciary investigation and that's what's slowing

down that - the beginning of that analysis because the judge has to instruct them. We are told that that will be happening on Wednesday with

the president of Malaysian investigators there Jonathan.

MANN: So what's it like along the coast? Obviously it's night there now no-one is doing much searching but with the - with the help of daylight is

it small, is it informal, is it - is it very organized and very extensive?

ELBAGIR: Well today we were hearing the police helicopters continuing that search flying overhead for much of the day.


ELBAGIR: The beach is - it's quite a difficult beach to really get a proper sense of going through every single inch of it which I think is what

people are expecting to happen. This is very rocky, it's volcanic, at the same time there's a volcanic eruption happening here, and authorities are

having to deal with clearing some of the slopes along that crater. This is a very complicated process to be happening on a tiny, tiny island but

officials are doing everything they can.

[15:05:07] Locals are also getting involved. People want to try to help and they are aware that if this is MH370, then the sense is going to be

that if this debris turned up here brought by those currents then this becomes part of that broader search area and they're going to need to be

ready for that Jonathan.

MANN: Nima Elbagir, on Reunion, thanks very much.


MANN: Well a lab outside Toulouse France is preparing to analyze the debris which is expected to arrive there this weekend. The Paris

prosecutor's office says the analysis will begin there on Wednesday.

Our Frederick Pleitgen joins us now from near Toulouse. And Frederick what exactly is the plan for the debris because from what we're hearing it's

going to wait there for several days.

FREDERICK PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes it certainly is and one of the things we have to keep in mind at least as far as the French

Prosecutors are concerned they say you have to understand this is not only trying to analyze this piece but we're also dealing with a criminal

investigation here as well. We have to keep in mind that there were also four French citizens who were on that plane, and certainly the French

criminal investigation authorities are involved with this as well as are Malaysian authorities, as are Malaysian investigators.


PLEITGEN: So this is quite a big and quite a complex operation is what the authorities here are telling us. So what they have to do for instance is

they have to put together a team, they have to get together, they have to unseal this evidence together because we have to keep in mind that that

piece of debris as well as the suitcase are now evidence in this criminal investigation.

Now what's going to happen is this piece of debris is going to get here probably at some point tomorrow after it comes in from Paris then it is

going to take until Wednesday and that's when the scientists here will start analyzing it.

And of course there's several things that they hope to discern. One of them is obviously going to be is this really a part of a 777. The second

is then of course is it part of that specific 777, part of MH370. And then of course there are other things for instance how long was it in the water,

how far did it drift? Because of course we know everybody is still trying to find out where exactly the rest of the plane is. And while this piece

might not lead them to it it might indeed offer some clues, Jonathan.

MANN: I'm still struck by the length of this process; are we seeing an abundance of caution? I understand why they want to examine it with the

help of forensic experts but the matter of identifying it should be pretty simple. The serial numbers on that piece of debris have already been

widely distributed, they've been seen on the web, the images of it have been very clear. Isn't it an easy matter of just figuring out yes or no

this is from the plane?

PLEITGEN: Well you make a good point because that's also one of the things the authorities have said. They say that this lab which is one of the most

premier labs in all of Europe, if not the premier lab in Europe to undertake investigations like this one for forensic evidence after airplane

accidents will probably be able to come out with a yes or no of whether or not this is MH370 very, very quickly, that's what they've said.


PLEITGEN: So a lot of it is indeed the process. The judicial process that is going to take place. I'm not sure I can say it's an abundance of

caution it's more trying to get this investigation right because of course there are things that are going to be coming afterward. There certainly

are a lot of people who want answers very quickly but at the same time there is also a judicial process in place and that is one that needs to be

- that needs to follow certain procedures.

And that's what the French are telling us is that because this is one that is very complicated and also one that is very much international, they want

to make sure they get this right and that's why they're going to take those extra days Jonathan.

MANN: OK, we will be waiting obviously. Fred Pleitgen following it for us, thanks very much.


MANN: You can get all the latest developments on this story from our website, and we also want to know what questions you may have.

Send them to us on twitter using the #MH370qs - MH370qs like questions, plural. CNN's aviation correspondent, Richard Quest, and the former

Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Transportation, Mary Schiavo will answer some of your questions in about 20 minutes time.


MANN: Now to some potentially big news in medicine, the gruesome Ebola virus. It's killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa but now The

World Health Organization says a vaccine is showing remarkable promise in preventing another large outbreak.


MANN: The vaccine has been undergoing testing in Guinea since March. CNN's medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen joins us now with more on this.

And Elizabeth what can you tell us? We are seeing numbers that suggest a hundred percent effectiveness. How helpful could this be? How many people

could it save?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: It seems like this could save really quite a number of people. So John there was 100%

effectiveness when two things happened.


COHEN: One when they seemed to vaccinate early, catch people early after they were exposed to someone else with Ebola. And also it took 10 days for

the vaccine to kick in it doesn't appear that it necessarily seemed to work immediately. But when those two things happened they did have 100%


So they started out with 4,000 patients who were at a high likelihood of getting Ebola because they had a friend with it or a friend of a friend, or

a family member, you would have expected 80 of those people to get Ebola. But in this category where it was done quickly and then the 10 days passed

by none of them got Ebola. So that's pretty striking.

[15:10:07] MANN: Now the other thing about this is that people are still getting Ebola, not as many and it's dropped from the world's attention but

people are still getting it in places like Sierra Leone, in Guinea, in Liberia, the places where they had before, countries that have really weak

healthcare systems.

So, even if this is some kind of medical miracle and we can hope for that, how long will it actually take for it to get distributed to the places and

people that need it?

COHEN: You know it's interesting; so of course distributing in the system is like - as you said just now that is weak is more difficult than

distributing it in a system with a strong public health system. However, it is important to note also that you know there have been real

achievements in this area, for example PEPFAR, the distribution of HIV medicines. That has you know it's not perfect but it's really gone by many

people you know who are authorities on this has gone quite well. So, there are ways to do something quickly.

And the great thing about a vaccine is you're not asking someone to change their behavior. You're not asking people to change you know their

traditions as they tried to do when they tried to ask people to bury their dead differently. It is a literally, and no pun intended, a one-shot deal.

So that certainly makes it easier.

They will have logistic challenges for example this vaccine has to be refrigerated and in this area of the world that is a challenge.

MANN: There's another challenge which is going to be fear. Fear has been such a hurdle in the fight against Ebola, and they're going to be asking

people to take an injection of something related to Ebola. How hard is that going to be?

COHEN: You know it is possible that that will be a challenge and I'm sure there will be challenges you know but there are vaccines all over Africa.

I mean there is a history of vaccination in Africa for all sorts of diseases and a lot of those campaigns have worked very well.

So you know there is some precedent for that. I think that some of the fear we saw with Ebola especially last year was fear of their loved -

people's loved ones being taken away.


COHEN: So people would have a loved one who was showing signs of Ebola, they were told to go to the hospital and they were fearful and in some ways

they really had reason to be fearful because some people caught Ebola in the hospital.

I mean I talked to a patient who had signs of - who had signs of Ebola and it turned it out he didn't have Ebola but then he did get Ebola in the

hospital. So you know I think fear comes in different - in different forms.

MANN: Elizabeth Cohen, we have our fingers crossed. It seems like extraordinary news, thanks very much.

Children across West Africa were particularly vulnerable to Ebola even some who weren't touched physically had their lives irreparably altered; the

disease orphaned so many of them and kept tens of thousands from even being identified at birth.


MANN: While the Liberian Government is now conducting a drive to register births that weren't recorded during the crisis and there are a lot of them,

more than 70,000. The drive is being supported by UNICEF who say not having a registered birth leaves children open to marginalization. Only

700 babies are reported to have been registered between January and May of this year.


MANN: Still to come tonight; raw emotion in the West Bank.


MANN: A Palestinian family is devastated, a region on edge after an arson attack claims the life of an innocent child.

And then more fencing and more sniffer dogs, Britain pledging those resources and more to help tackle the crisis that's causes chaos around the

Channel Tunnel. You're watching The World Right Now.




[15:15:31] MANN: Welcome back; it was a day of raw and bitter emotion in the West Bank after a suspected arson attack at a Palestinian family's home



MANN: The blaze killed a young child who was laid to rest Friday. At least three relatives were also badly hurt including the child's mother who

suffered burns over 90% of her body. Ian Lee joins us now live from Jerusalem.


MANN: He was on the scene in the West Bank just a short while ago and we want to hear about that. We want to hear I'm sad to say about all of this

because this was a horrific crime with a strange name that I gather is familiar to both Israeli's and Palestinians, a price tag. What can you

tell us?

IAN LEE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Jonathan. Price tag is from the Israeli settlers, it is what they say is a revenge attack.

There has been 2,100 of these attacks since 2006 according to the United Nations.


LEE: And they range anything from burning trees, burning a church, burning mosques but this time it turned deadly.

At 18 months old Ali Dawabsha didn't understand his reality but it took him anyways. Burnt to death in an alleged arson attack by Israeli Settlers in

what's known as a "price tag". His small humble home gutted in the blaze. Ali's mother, father, and four year old brother Ahmed, hold on for life.

This is the small room where the family of four were sleeping at the time of the attack. The Molotov cocktails, the fire bombs were thrown through a

window in this room and right here you can see what remains of the bed of baby Ali, also his milk bottle, there's still milk in it.

The first to respond watched helplessly.

(HALEM DAWABSHA): We went there but the fire was so strong we couldn't get in, we did our best to get in.

LEE: Hebrew graffiti on the walls of a neighboring house read revenge. No-one was home at the time. Condemnation came swiftly.

MAHMOUD ABBAS, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY PRESIDENT: (As translated) It's a war crime and a humanitarian crime at the same time so we will not stand

still at all. As long as the (Kapisha) settlement exist these attacks will continue.

LEE: Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, visited the family evacuated to an Israeli Hospital.

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: We condemn this there is zero tolerance for terrorism, wherever it comes from. Whatever side of the

fence it comes from, we have to fight it and fight it together.

LEE: The family remains in critical condition, over 50% of their bodies burnt. The UN says there have been 2,100 such attacks since 2006 and they

seem to be increasing in frequency. These range from killings to burning mosques, churches, and trees.

Attacks like the one that happened earlier today can often be the spark that ignites further violence throughout the Palestinian territories, a

spark that can set this whole area on file.


LEE: And Jonathan, an update about the family, we're hearing that the mother and father are still in very serious condition although their four

year old son, Ahmed, we're hearing now is in stable condition.

MANN: Ian Lee, the Israeli's - the Israeli's Prime Minister's remarks speak for themselves but I'm just curious about the concrete reaction from

Israeli authorities. Should we be expecting arrests will be made in this case and have they been in the past?

LEE: Well there's - the Palestinians have accused the Israelis, the Settlers of acting with impunity saying never enough is done when something

like this takes place though we did hear very strong words from the Israeli Government in the aftermath here.


LEE: But the Palestinians also point out too that this problem is just getting worse; that the Israeli Government is increasing the settlements,

the size of the settlements, the number of settlers and they say as long as that problem remains these sort of attacks will continue to persist and

will get worse, Jonathan.


MANN: Ian Lee, live in Jerusalem, thanks very much.

British Prime Minister, David Cameron is promising more resources to tackle a growing migrant crisis but warns there is no quick fix.

Thousands of migrants have tried to cross the Channel Tunnel from France into Britain in just the last week alone. Rosie Tomkins has this look.


[15:20:00] ROSIE TOMKINS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Another night, another attempt by hundreds of migrants in the French port of Calais to

reach Britain using the Eurotunnel.

Their desperation evidence in these photos showing two men clinging to the top of a lorry as it passes through the tunnel.

French authorities say there were more than 1,000 intrusions by migrants at the tunnel site on Thursday night and 30 were arrested. This caps an

especially chaotic week with an estimated 1,500 intrusions on Tuesday and some 2,000 on Monday.

Authorities say some were likely repeat attempts to cross by the same people. Many are fleeing war torn countries like Syria and Afghanistan

seeking a better life in the west.

SHARIF UDIN, AFGHAN MIGRANT: We are liking them for being there it's good, and here is so difficult - so difficult for life because we sleep outside

in the road, jungle, like this is so difficult.

TOMKINS: The recent search in illegal crossings has severely disrupted passenger and freight traffic through the tunnel. French police say

they're outnumbered and overwhelmed.

Here police just watch as a young girl is passed over a barbed wire fence her family looking to sneak aboard a train headed to the U.K.

On Friday, British Prime Minister, David Cameron, promised more help.

DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We're going to take action right across the board starting with helping the French on their side of the

border, we're going to put in more fencing, more forces, more sniffer dog teams, more assistance in any way we can in terms of resources.

TOMKINS: 120 additional French officers have arrived in Calais in recent days to bolster the 300 strong force already there.

Friday morning appeared quiet as offices guarded the entrance to the tunnel while thousands of migrants bide their time in nearby makeshift camps.

Come nightfall many will try again to cross the channel.

Rosie Tomkins, CNN, London.


MANN: Beijing will become the first city to host both the summer and winter Olympics after it was awarded the 2022 Winter Games.


MANN: Look at the reaction outside the famous Birds Nest Stadium which played host to the Summer Games in 2008. The Chinese Capital beat

competition from Almaty, the largest city in Kazakhstan.


MANN: Coming up demanding a U.S. dentist face justice.


MANN: As Zimbabwe calls for the extradition of Cecil the lion's killer, pressure mounts for the U.S. to comply.





MANN: Welcome back, this is what's happening in the business world right now. The Dow Jones Industrial's down just a notch, kind of mixed results

and disappointing earnings particularly in the energy sector.

Elsewhere earnings season also comes to an end on this, the last trading day of the month of July. NASDAQ and the S&P down, European stocks were a

little bit better in most places they ended the month up for the most part, have a look. Some better earnings results to be seen in the city and on

the climb.


MANN: Zimbabwe says it wants to extradite the American hunter who killed the beloved lion Cecil and it's asking the U.S. to help.

David McKenzie reports from Johannesburg.


DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The killing of Cecil the lion has sparked global outrage and put sharp focus on the issue of trophy

hunting in Africa.

Now the American dentist who's accused of killing him illegally could face Zimbabwean justice.

The iconic African lion lured out of its sanctuary and struck down with a bow in the dead of night. It's lead to global outrage at this man, Dr.

Walter Palmer, the Minnesotan dentist who killed Cecil.

[15:25:12] Facing a social media storm on Twitter, Facebook, and even Yelp, Palmer temporarily closed his dental practice and has gone to ground.

Now he could face the law, Zimbabwean officials working to extradite him.

OPPAH MUCHINGURI, ZIMBABWEAN ENVIRONMENTAL MINISTER: That the horror reporting event was properly orchestrated and well financed to make sure

that it (inaudible).

MCKENZIE: Palmer's local guides go on trial next week; if guilty of poaching they could spend 10 years in one of Zimbabwe's most notorious


Their lawyers say they are innocent and Palmer claims he is too blaming it all on his local guides. But CNN has learned through court documents that

a hunter with the same name, age, and from the same town as Palmer admitted to lying to U.S. Authorities in 2006 in the illegal killing of a black bear

in Wisconsin.

Palmer's lawyers could not be reached and a spokesman said he had no information on that case.

Extradition proceedings can be notoriously slow but Zimbabwe has a treaty with the United States and public pressure is mounting the Obama

Administration to act. More than 100,000 people signed a petition calling for Palmer to be sent to Zimbabwe to face the law.


MCKENZIE: Cecil was the dominant male of a large pride and he had more than a dozen young cubs. Now conservationists worry that those cubs will

be killed by a rival lion. We know at this stage we are fine but their future could be very bleak indeed. John?

MANN: Our David McKenzie. We did in fact get one encouraging piece of news just a short time after David was in touch. A scientist who studied

Cecil before the killing says the lions cubs are likely to survive and they'll probably be defended by Cecil's brother who may have even fathered

some of them himself.

The latest world news headlines just ahead.


MANN: Plus we hear from desperate families

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now of course the possibility of surviving is actually has become you know lower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there a part of you, both of you that says I don't want to know the truth?

MANN: People want to hope, families want to hope could a single piece overcome your hope that your loved one was still out there somewhere?

And we'll try to answer people's questions about the mystery of the flight. Viewers have been asking us everything and anything using the hashtag

#MH370QS, we'll put some of your questions to our aviation (inaudible).




JONATHAN MANN, THE WORLD RIGHT NOW WITH HALA GORANI HOST: Welcome back. This is what's happening in the world right now. Officials from Malaysia,

France, and Boeing say a piece of aircraft debris that washed up on a remote island does belong to Boeing 777.

The debris found of the coast of Reunion Island in Indian Ocean will arrive in France Saturday. Officers view this a strong lead in the search for

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

Some good news in the world of medicine, very good news indeed. The World Health Organization says a new vaccine against Ebola is quote, "highly

effective". Trials of the vaccine began in march in getting one of the West African countries ravished by the virus. The results, 100 percent.

In the West Bank, a toddler that was laid to rest Friday after he was killed in an overnight arson attack. A local official told CNN he was

around 18 months old. The boy's family was also badly hurt. The attack is suspected to been carried out by extremist Israeli settlers.

Dylann Roof has pleaded not guilty to more than 30 federal charges related to a deadly attack on a church in South Carolina. Nine people, you may

recall, were killed in the June Charleston shooting. Roof could face life imprison on the death penalty -- or the death penalty, rather, if found


Some of the passengers of the MH370's passengers are holding to hope that their loved ones are still alive. It will only get closure when the plane

has been found if even then. Andrew Stevens talked to the spouses of two missing flight attendants.


CALVIN SHIN, PARTNER OF CABIN CREW ON MH370: She's a leading flight attendant.


Elaine Chew and Calvin Shin have been waiting in hope for 17 months on the faith of MH 370. Their partners were both cabin crew on that flight.

In Kuala Lumpur, we spoke about the very real possibility that the debris is part of the missing jet liner and whether it is now changing their view.

ELAINE CHEW, PARTNER OF CABIN CREW ON MH370: Sometimes you think that it's a hope. And then if it's true, then, that's it. The end.

SHIN: Yeah. At least there is something. But for me, I think that couldn't give me 100 percent assurance that that's -- they're gone. You

know, there are just many possibilities, you know. Maybe, you just can't count it 100 percent they're gone because you don't see anything else. So

unless, there are more things to be seen, their possibility of surviving is essentially has become, you know, lower.

STEVENS: Is there a part of you -- both of you -- that says, "I don't want to know the truth."

SHIN: For me, it's, yeah. Sometimes, you know, I feel that maybe you know it's bettere to not have this debris. Then, you still have hope.

STEVENS: Some hope?

SHIN: Yeah. But another part is, maybe, I think -- yeah.

CHEW: I want the proof. I want to know how my spouse gone through. Maybe I would like to know more.

STEVENS: How are your children? How are they coping?

CHEW: She's coping all right this 17 months until this debris is found. I told her what I know from the news, and I just told her yesterday night --

last night that the authorities already found some debris and then she answered me that, "Is it my daddy plane is crashed or is he not coming back

anymore?" Then, I looked to her face and I'll be half-sick now (ph). So I just say, "It's still not confirmed yet.

STEVENS: If this debris is part of 370, will that be enough for you? Would you be able to move on?

CHEW: Nope. I want to see more things besides the debris to get more confirmation that my husband is -- won't come back anymore.

SHIN: At least will done more things. At least it will be the fuselage, you know, can be recovered, you know. So, yeah, I want to see more. I

want to have more evidence.

STEVENS: Yeah. Andrew Stevens, CNN Kuala Lumpur.


MANN: I want to have more evidence. I guess we all do. The debris is prompting a whole lot of questions. And you have been weighing in with

your own questions online. You can still do that. Tweet CNN using the hashtag MH370QS, like questions plural, at MH370QS.

[15:35:04] But let's take some of the ones that we've received throughout the day put them to our experts Richard Quest and former inspector general

of U.S. Department of Transportation Mary Schiavo joining us now. Thank you both for being with us.

Mary Schiavo, why don't we start with you and a question we got from another tweeting a question, a lot of people are asking a question we're

asking today, when will the world know whether the debris belongs to MH370 or not?

MARY SCHIAVO, FMR. INSPECTOR GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF TRASPORTATION: Well I think the world knows that pretty much now base on Boeing has said

unofficially, but Boeing has to cooperate with the investigation. The piece was found on French territory and so the French have the ability make

the final call.

I think soon as Boeing seize that they will obviously have final confirmation but, the statement has been pretty strong already but it is up

to the French to make the final -- a final announcement on it.

MANN: And Richard Quest do where we have as the French aren't really going to begin that in the serious until Wednesday. Does that make sense to you?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: I think what you're looking at is sort of full of protocol in form. Everybody's got to be there. They

think they -- the piece doesn't arrive until Sunday, Saturday night Sunday they start looking on Monday. My -- the way I read up press release the

analysis begins on Wednesday and so I'm guessing that's Monday or Tuesday that they're looking at it.

MANN: OK our next question is from Valentine Galva (ph), does the wreckage signal any possible change of where we think the plane is Mary Schiavo

that's a crucial question after all.

SCHIAVO: No and the Australians have already said that they think base upon their study of the drift patterns and may had put out or for almost a

year ago and they in their report, the publish report they had drift patterns going pretty much in this direction.

However, it would depend I think if they find additional pieces of wreckage not exactly in the same location but other locations might cause him to

reevaluated and look at changing their search area but for now no change in search area because it fits there modelling of the drift patterns.

MANN: Now wielding on a map of where it may have gone but if we had an image of the piece itself, the debris itself people have seen it up close

say there's a awful of shell fish on it barnacles I guess. Lance Fernandez (ph) asks, "Can we get those barnacles checked for origin they might lead

to the location where the part rested for most of it's time?" Richard, does it make sense to you?

QUEST: It certainly makes sense that they'll be looking at the barnacles and they'll be looking at the shelf life and they -- shell life and they be

doing whatever they can to extract whatever information, but this part didn't rest and this part didn't sort of lie on the bottom of the ocean and

then suddenly rise up, this part is being floating.

Once it have become water logged, it went down it wouldn't be coming back again. So you're looking at the shell life and the marine life that's on

it to verify the sort of area but again it's not going to tell you a particular spot it will merely take you to a region.

MANN: And it's a very big region and there are lot of different kinds of barnacles there that's, that's an entirely exact thing kind of sea biology

I don't know if they're up to this point, but the next Twitter has a very different kind of question, if the plane is ever found and the black box is

located can you still use the data from it.

QUEST: Oh yeah, yeah.

MANN: ... if the batteries have died, Mary?

SCHIAVO: Yes, actually the batteries that were already expired before the plane was lost, the batteries expired in 2012 and the plane was lost in

2014, those were for the pingers that were to help people located. The data inside the black box is basically recorded before the recording stop,

so the data will be still be there.

The key will be is that the casing that very hard of protective housing hasn't been breach and that sea water hasn't been able to degrade the

record that store there on but the record that stored when they stop recording remains on there doesn't have anything to do with the batteries.

MANN: Richard, are there like to the find black boxes around Reunion I mean that that piece of flaperon floated an awfully long way, did the black

boxes float?

QUEST: No there's zero chance of a of the black box is being around Reunion. The black boxes will be with the fuselage and the black boxes

will be will be where plane went down and the black boxes don't float and they are solid state big heavy very heavy metal boxes.

Whatever it had there is inside them certainly would be enough to do that double go, those black boxes will have got to down with the main body of

the fuselage which is still believed to be 1,500 kilometers or so of the west coast of Australia.

All your looking at here and I say all this disrespectful, all what your looking at here is a piece of the wreckage and how it floated over the

period of 15 months.

MANN: So far the first piece of physical evidence, the first clue anyone can hold then their hands, so let me ask you the last question sent from

Charles (ph), if the plane is ever found or rather what are the chances for you, what are the chances that we'll lost simply never know what happened

to MH370 and what will change to improve safety. I like to hear from both you.

[15:40:00] Do you think we're going to get to the end of this, Ms. Mary Schiavo?

SCHIAVO: Well, you know, I would like to think we're going to get to the end of, because the caller has raised the most important question of all, I

mean there's a lot of theories and everything from pilot suicide to terrorist and activity to mechanical to problems with the batteries in the

cargo hold.

Each one of those are problems present important safety and security issues for airlines that could bring down another airline or but we don't know.

And sadly no one has taken actions to solve these problems -- with the exemption of the batteries, some countries have banned batteries from the

cargo hold. And until we find out the answer there doesn't seem to be a rushed to fix this problems we're already aware of.

MANN: So Richard Quest last word to you, you think we'll find it the answer to this mystery?

QUEST: I'm going to give you the answer that I've said from the beginning and I think Mary will agree then we must. And the -- that to because

obviously aviation demands that there being no unanswered questions concerning the safety of an aircraft to which there are 1,200 in service


The difficulty happens, Jonathan, is if after they've search this current area not Reunion down in the -- if after they've search the area whether

looking they don't find it they don't have any better evidence on where to go next and that's going to be the conundrum.

MANN: Richard Quest, Mary Schiavo. Thanks very much.

SCHIAVO: Thank you.

MANN: A very different story we're following now, a start accusation on the final day of a London inquiry into the poising death of Kremlin critic

Alexander Litvinenko, a lawyer for his widow says Russian president Vladimir Putin himself ordered his murder. The Kremlin had denied any

responsibility, Phil Black is following the case.


PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nine years after Alexander Litvinenko slow terrible death, his widow Marina left London's Royal Court of Justice

satisfied the public inquiry she'd long forth for is now complete.

MARINA LITVINENKO, ALEXANDER LITVINENKO'S WIDOW: I believed that the truth has finally been uncovered. The murderers and their paymasters have been


BLACK: Since opening in January the judicial inquiry has heard many hours of detail, technical evidence. Much of it supporting the original findings

of the police investigation that Alexander Litvinenko was killed after consuming the red radioactive substance polonium 210, which is carried into

Britain and slip into Litvinenko's tea by two former Russian agents, Dmitry Kovtun and Andrei Lugovoy.

During the inquiries closing statements, the lawyer representing London's metropolitan police with further saying, in one form or another, the

Russian state was involved in Litvinenko's murder.

RICHARD HORWELL, LAWYER: The Kremlin cannot exactly complain if the eyes of the world look to it for responsibility for Litvinenko's murder. And of

all of Litvinenko's targets Putin was the one most frequently in his sides.

BLACK: Litvinenko was a former agent with Russia security and intelligence service who became an outspoken critic of Vladmir Putin. The police did

not specifically accused Russian's president of being involved in Litvinenko's death, but his widow Marina and her legal team did so


BEN EMMERSON, LAWYER: Putin and his personal (inaudible) are directly implicated in organized crime, that they are willing to murder those who

stand in there way and that Mr. Litvinenko was murdered for that reason.

LITVINENKO: My husband was killed by agents of the Russian state in the first ever act of nuclear terrorism in the streets of London and this would

not have happened without knowledge of consent of Mr Putin.

BLACK: The Russian government has always denied involvement as of the two suspects Andrei Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun. Kovtun was due to give evidence

at the inquiry this week, but pulled out at the last moment saying he couldn't do so without permission from Russian authorities.

The inquiries findings will be published in a final report later this year. If it so is the Russian state was involved in the death of a man who become

a British citizen, the government here must decide on how that will impact it's already poor relationship with the Kremlin.

Phil Black, CNN London.


MANN: This is the World Right Now still to come, a new Ebola vaccines seem to have an astonishing success rate could it be the end of the line of the

dreaded disease. I'm joined by an expert on tropical diseases to find out, next.



MANN: Welcome back. Let's take you back to one of our top stories, a newly developed vaccine against Ebola that experts say is highly effective

-- that maybe putting it lightly. The World Health Organization calls Ebola one of the most virulent diseases known to man with an average

fatality rate of 50 percent, though fatality rates have been up to 90 percent in pass outbreaks.

Its transmitted to humans from the bodily fluids of infected wild animals including chimps, gorillas, and fruit bats. It then spreads among humans

through contact with blood or other body fluids. Symptoms include fever, weakness, muscle pain headache, also (ph) by vomiting, diarrhea, rash and

paired kidney and liver function and death.

Ebola was first discovered in 1976 near the Ebola River and what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Let's speak to someone who is part of the team that work on the trials, Professor John Edmunds is from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical

Medicine and he joins us now from a London studios. Doctor thanks so much for being with us and congratulations, the initial reports are astonishing,

100 percent effective in a limited trial that you had for vaccine that was really rush very quickly is in development, are surprise with how all this

is turned out?

JOHN EDMUNDS, PROFESSOR, LONDON SCHOOL OF HYGIENE AND TROPICAL MEDICINE: Yes I think it's fair to say that all of us who were surprised and we were

hoping that it would be very effective but you can't really hope for 100 percent efficacy. But so yeah we're extremely pleased.

MANN: Now it seems that there is -- in those vials in someone's hands -- a miracle it could have save what, thousands of lives if it have been

available earlier, how big an impact do you think this is going to have Ebola effective countries?

EDMUNDS: I think that this epidemic it would probably have quite a limited impact because the vaccine trial continues, the vaccines trial continues,

the vaccine is not license yet even in the most optimistic scenarios that would take a few months.

So I think that it's unlikely that it will have a major impact in this epidemic, it may help eradicate the last few cases that's but I think what

it's probably most useful for is for the next outbreak of Ebola where which we will have at some point somewhere we don't where but because it has a

wild animal reservoir sooner or later another outbreak will occur. And to have of an -- a vaccine available will make a huge difference.

So we could vaccinate health care workers for instance so that they don't become infected. We might able to vaccinate around the cases like we've

done in this trial, that's to prevent its spreading any further.

MANN: Well let me ask you about that because you say you don't know where the next outbreak would come, will associate vaccines with the kinds of

injections we got this children, wide spread vaccines that's just about everyone get there's entering school or there -- just learning to read or

eat with a fork and knife, is that the way you see this vaccine going or as you say this is quite have to be a much more a limited distribution.

EDMUNDS: I doubt it would be used widely for every child, I mean those questions we're going to have answer, you know, in the coming months. But

I doubt that. Ebola risk very rare thankfully and so I don't think it would be worth vaccinating every child in Africa so and continuing to that.

It's much more likely that it will be used, perhaps the target health care workers so that they can feel safe and respond to, you know, the next

outbreak wherever it might occur or to help limit the spread of any outbreak it does occur.

[15:50:13] And I mean that's one of the important things about this trial. We've not just trial the vaccine, we've also trial a way of using the


So we've been using what's called the ring vaccination approach where we've been vaccinizing people. We've been identifying cases and vaccinizing

their contacts and their contacts, contacts. So full might kind of barrier of immunity around this cases and that's being highly successful. So my

hand chase that in the future when this vaccine is use, they'll be use in that kind of way.

MANN: Jonathan Edmunds, thanks very much for talking with us and once again congratulations an extraordinary advance.

EDMUNDS: Thanks very much.

MANN: Coming up, Donald Trump is along way from the campaign trail but he's always close to controversy. We're live in Scotland with his latest

interview, next.


MANN: Welcome back. The Trump Show continues to play in Scotland. U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump flying in for the Women's

British Open and to check out his golf courses there. His been taking a plenty of shots against his rivals on the campaign trail as well.

Max Foster join us now live in Taransay (ph), Scotland where he met Mr. Trump just a little bit earlier and Max I'm really, really intrigue because

you have covered lot of news makers, you've covered politicians, you've covered loyalty and now the Donald. What's he like?

MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well I have to say it's the frankness this may, he's a man trending this national stages. Talked more on foreign

policy today in a foreign land and he just so frank and honest about what he thinks. Now, I think the problem with that is that you challenging on

the detail and always thought it through.

He knows what he wants to do but he can't waits on to the detail of the question. So here's a moment of our conversation today and his steps

behind me.


DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I use to be a 100 percent love now, I'm probably 55 percent love OK so I give up 45 percent but the fact

is, you know, I'm leading in all the polls, including your poll so that's an honor. I brought up.

FOSTER: Is that surprise you, your success in the polls?

TRUMP: Well a little bit because I know I have to be harsh to let people know what's going on. And when we talk about illegal immigration, we're

talking about taking care of the vets and so important taking care of the vets is such an important thing. The veterans in our country are treated

so poorly and I would make sure that that's stopped.

So I bring up things like that and other things the trade, trade is so big. I mean I would be so good on trade because we're falling behind China,

we're falling behind so many other countries even in education we're 25. If you think of it we are number 25 in education. We have third world

countries that are better than us. So we have a long way to go this country and we will do something, I think spectacular if I win.

FOSTER: You can put a lot of money to depend spending. Where is the money going to come from? You know, you say you're going to make friends with

the Russia so why you think about the Crimea?

TRUMP: Right, it's going to come from a great economy. It's going to come from just a great economy. Our economy is very weak. We probably have a

21 percent real unemployment rate and I heard somebody that they actually a great economist say it's actually 43 percent unemployment. Now, if you

think about it, sounds ridiculous but so many people aren't looking for jobs because.



TRUMP: We're going to create greatness for our country. We're going to make our country great again in the sense we're going to bring back one of

the things. We're going to bring back jobs from China. We're going to bring back jobs from Japan. We're going to bring back jobs from Mexico.

We're going bring back jobs from all this.

FOSTER: But that trust (inaudible) because the reason that job.

TRUMP: And prices won't go up but income will go up. People are going to make more money. It will all change. With me it will all change.

Interestingly in your poll CNN, did a poll and they said on leadership Trump is by far the best. On the economy Trump is by far the best.

I have a couple of weakness. A lot of people said, well but they see a nice person. I'm not sure that matters but I think I am a nice person.

People like me.


MANN: I think honestly what he's trying to do is say that either he's a businessman. He knows about business and he doesn't think America is

selling itself properly in the world. It should reassert its power in the world and negotiate better deals on the international stage. But beyond

that, how he's going to do it? It isn't always clear, Jon.

I'm just curious he is now the most famous politician in America. Was he mean with any other political leaders while he was over there that's he

would be a right of passage for men or women who want to be president.

FOSTER: Yeah, well, this was a business trip as far as he was concerned but then he gets asked political questions and today's credit he does

actually answer to these questions. His interesting today is meant to go Aberdeen where is where he's a much more of a controversial figure. He's

taking on this part as government about a wind farm that they plan put in the sea which is within view of the golf course he wants to build and he is

taking that as a various layers of the court system here. And he's come to close with Alex Simon the former first minister of Scotland.

So he does come to blows with politicians here that he absolutely insists he's doing the right thing here. I don't think he's necessarily time to

court politicians here. He did say who get on very well, let say to Cameron where he met him and he would opposed any sort of Scottish

independence but that as far as he went in terms of addressing political leaders in this country via T.V. which is where we see him so often that.

MANN: Indeed we do. Max Foster following Donald Trump, thanks very much.

And that is The World Right Now. Thanks for joining us. Quest Means Business is next.