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Two Close Calls Between Airliners and Drones; Plane Wreckage Arrives at French Lab; New Taliban Leader Sends Chilling Message; Clinton E-mails, Tax and Medical Records Released; Searchers Look for Other Floating Debris; Undocumented Immigrant Accused of Murder in Ohio; Team Trains for Malibu Triathlon; Man Shoots Drone Over Sunbathing Daughter; Aired 1-2p ET

Aired August 01, 2015 - 13:00   ET

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[13:00:12] RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Thanks for joining me. I'm Randi Kaye in for Fredricka Whitfield.

Breaking news now. News of two separate extremely frightening incidents over New York's FK airport on the very same day. Drones flying dangerously close to a JetBlue airliner and a Delta flight while both were on approach to JFK. The drones reportedly were sighted within 100 feet of each flight. First the JetBlue plane bound from Haiti telling controllers at JFK that a drone popped up just below its nose. Less than three hours later a Delta flight with 154 people on board reporting an unmanned craft 100 feet below its right wing.

CNN's Nick Valencia has been following the story for us.

And, Nick, what's the latest?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Scary moments indeed above the skies of New York City, Randi. The FAA tells us these situations between commercial airlines and drones have more than doubled since last year.

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VALENCIA (voice-over): Two incidents in one day at the same airport. CNN has now learned of a second close call between a drone and a commercial airline in the skies above New York City. Around 2:30 Friday afternoon, JetBlue Flight 1834 reports seeing an unmanned aircraft on approach to JFK. Less than three hours later a second encounter with a drone, this time by a separate airliner. Delta Flight 407 prepares to land at JFK airport with 154 people onboard when the pilot spots a drone on the southwest side of the plane just about 100 feet below. The pilot immediately contacts air traffic control.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And 407, did you by any chance get the color or type?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it's not close enough to be able to tell.

VALENCIA: Then JFK tower warned other pilots of the possible danger flying around them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: JetBlue 943, use caution on arrival. The one that's ahead of you reported a drone at the Floyd Bennett Field over there so you might see that over there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we're on (INAUDIBLE) so we're probably considerably higher than he was but we're watching out for it.

VALENCIA: Phil Derner of NYCAviation.com weighed in. Derner said without a doubt this was a close call. He explains a drone flying within 100 feet of a plane can easily get sucked into an engine or worse.

PHIL DERNER, NYCAVIATION.COM: These drones are made with aircraft aluminum, similar parts to, you know, the aircraft that it's about to strike. Going into an engine can destroy an engine. Going into the cockpit window can injure a pilot or even kill a pilot.

VALENCIA: Scares like the one at JFK this happen more often than you think. The FAA reports at least two drone incidents each day. That's an average of 60 close calls each month. In the cases of Delta Flight 407 and JetBlue Flight 1834, both the planes landed safely. The FAA tells CNN it's investigating both incidents.

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VALENCIA: It's unclear if one drone was involved in the same incident but FAA investigators and local officials looking for the person or persons behind this -- Randi.

KAYE: So what is the FAA telling you, Nick? I mean, this is clearly illegal and terrifying.

VALENCIA: FAA investigators say whoever was behind this could face federal charges. There are rules and regulations, limits, as drones are becoming increasingly popular for personal use. You're looking at some of those on your screen. They cannot fly above 400 feet, they have to stay clear of obstacles, keep within sight of all-times and not interfere with manned aircrafts but these incidents, it's very scary to report, that they've more than doubled last year. The average was 25 close calls between drones and commercials airlines. This year as I mentioned in that report it's more than doubled. Now an average of 60 each month -- Randi.

KAYE: All right. Nick Valencia, thank you.

VALENCIA: You bet.

KAYE: The plane wreckage that could very well belong to missing Malaysia Flight 370 is now at a state-of-the-art laboratory just outside Toulouse, France. It arrived there just over an hour ago, and now investigators will work to identify which aircraft that piece came from.

Let's bring in CNN's Erin McLaughlin, she joins us from Reunion Island where that piece of debris was originally found. Erin, what is next now that the piece has finally arrived at that

state-of-the-art lab?

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Randi, French and Malaysian officials are expected to have meetings on Monday, the real forensic work won't actually begin until Wednesday and technicians there in France are really going to be looking at every single aspect of this piece of debris. Not only to be able to say definitively if it's from MH-370, but they're also going to be looking at the sea life, the barnacles that have grown on this piece of debris to try and pinpoint its point of origin.

They're also going to be looking at any sort of damage the debris sustained to be able to glean any clues as to how the aircraft if this is in fact from MH-370 may have entered the water. So they really do have a lot of work ahead. But as you say this is a state-of-the-art facility, so we are expecting some answers soon.

[13:05:09] KAYE: And Erin, you're still on Reunion Island. What are investigators still doing there?

MCLAUGHLIN: Well for the past few days the police helicopter has been in the skies, the cleaning crews still combing the beaches, the very same crews that found that original piece of debris. They're also analyzing the current patterns around this island. They're trying to find other places where it might be good to search for debris because every single piece of debris that they found could again provide them some vital clues as to what happened to that plane. It also could help them adjust the search area, places where they're searching for the actual wreckage.

KAYE: All right. Erin McLaughlin, thank you very much.

Now let me bring in Jonathan Gilliam. He's a former air marshal and former FBI special agent.

Jonathan, what can these pieces do you think tell us about what happened to this missing airplane?

JONATHAN GILLIAM, FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Well, I think, you know, it's not going to solve the mystery first off. What they have right now is not going to solve the mystery anyway. But what it can do is show that at least for that side of the plane, was it a massive entry into the water, was it a slow and controlled landing into the water? Those things I think can be detailed by the way that this actual portion of the wing tore apart.

I also think that you're going to start to see more debris wash up. I don't think that just this and one piece of luggage is all you're going to get. You will eventually start to see more things come this way and that's why the important thing that they have, that helicopter and those airplanes up looking for this debris now, is going to be very big.

KAYE: Well, you mentioned some other pieces. I mean, there is that suitcase. It doesn't have any I.D. on it. It could come -- it could have come from one of these, you know, garbage gyre that's been around in the ocean there.

GILLIAM: Sure.

KAYE: But is there anything to learn from it?

GILLIAM: Well, again it's -- you know, all these different things that are manmade typically have some type of identification number on it. And believe it or not we've probably solved just as many terrorist type attacks, you know, at least here in the United States, by identifying serial numbers on a piece of -- a small piece of vehicle is used. And it's the same thing with this luggage. You might be able to look at the passenger manifest, see what luggage was put in there, ask family members if they can identify this.

I mean, as each piece comes up, there's going to be little clues because what they're looking for is little pieces to build this massive picture. And right now each piece that comes up is like a piece of a puzzle so they can develop this picture.

KAYE: So do you -- do you get the feeling that they were searching in the right area and where do you think they should move that search?

GILLIAM: Well, the initial search, I don't -- you know, when the plane first crashed I think that they were probably -- my opinion searching in the wrong area. Now what we see because this debris is going to follow a current, so I do believe that they're searching in the right areas now because the debris is going to follow wherever that wing was.

KAYE: Yes.

GILLIAM: And that's kind of dead giveaway for where the rest of the stuff may end up.

KAYE: Let me ask you a little bit about our other breaking news that we're following today, these close calls between the passenger jets and the drones at the JFK airport.

Do you see a problem here? I mean, do you see getting worse and do you think there's anything that can actually be done about it?

GILLIAM: I think it's a huge problem and I think something has to be done with these drones where they're not able to fly that high. I mean, 450 away from the controller these drones should shut off. That in itself would stop these drones from going any higher than 400 feet. The problem is when you get around an airport, you know, there may -- this may just be kids, it may be aircraft enthusiasts trying to get a video of an airplane, but in law enforcement we always have to assume the worst first.

So this could be a terrorist going out and trying to strike a plane. It very well could be that. And I think it's something that we need to start looking at. We have to remember terrorists are always a step ahead of us because they identify our vulnerabilities and then they work their work in and around those so that they can strike us, and this is definitely one of those vulnerabilities. KAYE: But I mean, what do we need? Do we need a drone patrol or

something? Because it says clearly they can't be within -- I think he said five miles of the airport.

GILLIAM: Right. I would like to see that. I mean, drone on drone, you know, maybe you could have some type of a camera that picks up the heat signature off of one of these electrical engines, the battery or the camera, and then you literally have other drones controlled by certain people that take those drones out of. I mean, that's just one idea. That's just me off the cup.

KAYE: Yes.

GILLIAM: But, you know, the reality is in this, Randi, it's the same with everything else. People that are aware that are on the ground are going to be able to see these things that are just unusual.

[13:10:04] Somebody launching a drone into the air is -- it's very noticeable. They fly them at the park where I live. And you just -- when somebody puts one of these up in the air --

KAYE: Oh yes.

GILLIAM: People notice it.

KAYE: Yes, they're buzzing around over you everywhere now.

All right. Jonathan Gilliam, thank you. Appreciate it.

GILLIAM: You got it.

KAYE: Ahead, a judge goes off in a courtroom over an undocumented immigrant accused of a deadly crime spree. You'll see what happened.

Plus, just in. A chilling message from the new leader of the Taliban. Hear what he wants to do in Afghanistan.

And a man in Kentucky shoots down a drone that was flying over his sunbathing daughter. Now he is the one in trouble.

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KAYE: A new audio message has surfaced purportedly from the Taliban's newly announced leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansur. In the message he vows to continue the Taliban's efforts to bring Islamic rule of Afghanistan. This comes as the Afghan government held face-to-face talks with Taliban representatives for the first time in July trying to work toward a peace process.

CNN intelligence and security analyst Bob Baer joining me now via Skype to talk more about this.

So, Bob, a second round of talks was supposed to take place yesterday but was postponed after the Taliban confirmed the death of its previous leader Mullah Omar. Was this new audio message do you think strategically released? ROBERT BAER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, what we're seeing

is -- Randy, is the breakup of the Taliban. It broke up effectively a couple of years ago but now with the announcement of Mullah Omar's death, there's a real power struggle at the top. You know, Mullah Mansur is accused of being a Pakistani agent. I don't know that he is. We don't -- our intelligence isn't good enough, but what we're seeing is a real fight, and I would doubt that negotiations with Kabul are going to continue in the middle of a fight like this, but we'll have to wait and see.

KAYE: Let me ask you a question moving away from the Taliban for a moment. This al Qaeda affiliate just attacked American trained rebels in Syria. What do you make of that?

[13:15:09] BAER: Well, Randi, what's happening here is the Salafis, the tough radical Muslims need to get rid of any potential third force as it's called and that would be the American-backed rebels. That's what you do before moving on. You want any possibility of negotiation with Damascus eliminated, anybody dealing with the Americans eliminated. So it's a pretty predictable move on the part of Al- Nusra.

KAYE: And let me ask you about drones. We've been talking about them quite a bit today. You heard about these two close calls that -- at JFK airport with a Delta flight and a JetBlue flight. Is there anything in your opinion that can be done? I've been getting some people tweeting me, saying there might be a way to jam these drones and bring them down?

BAER: Well, exactly, Randi. I just -- I came back from Bogota yesterday and we were flying drones very near the airport, completely under control. We were looking for a missing aircraft. But the Special Forces guys with me told me that you can jam these very easily. We do it in Afghanistan and Iraq. They can simply knock them out of the air. And that's what our airport should be doing.

As soon as one pops up on radar or even comprehensively just jam them and just knock these out of the air. This is crazy. Because you can take these drones and with a 3-D printer make them out of explosives. They're very dangerous. You know, they're advancing very quickly.

KAYE: And really, what is a pilot to do? I mean, these two pilots, obviously, they handled it well. I mean, they were so close. One was off the wing, one was at the nose of the plane. But there has to be some type of system put in place, right?

BAER: Absolutely. I am not -- I'm not an aviation expert. One of these, you know, were sucked in by an engine, you know, a plane could catch fire. I just don't know. And it's -- we've just got to get them out of the air. They're too prevalent. They're everywhere, they're cheap. And you can't really monitor them and follow all the owners of it, so I think pretty well, I think the military experts will tell you we've got to go to jamming.

KAYE: All right. Good to know at least that's possible then.

Bob Baer, appreciate it. Thank you.

BAER: Thanks.

KAYE: Coming up a new round of Hillary Clinton's e-mails have just been released. Plus her campaign just released a statement on her health. We'll have that for you next.

And if this piece of debris is indeed part of the missing Flight MH- 370, how did it get thousands of miles away from where it's believed to have crashed?

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[13:21:08] KAYE: New information revealed today about Hillary Clinton's health. Both physical and financial. New documents revealed that she and her husband Bill have paid $43 million in federal taxes since 2011. As far as Clinton's physical health goes, her doctor says she's, quote, "She's fit to serve as president."

This news comes as a new batch of Clinton's e-mails during her time as secretary f of state is released. We'll talk more about all of this with our Sunlen Serfaty, she's in Washington.

And, Sunlen, I guess Hillary Clinton wants everybody to know that she's in good health and can clearly keep up with the younger guys in the race.

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SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Randi. You know, these are two huge documents dumped by the Clinton campaign. Now first on those financials. The campaign, they released seven years of Clinton's tax records and they revealed that Bill and Hillary Clinton, well, they earned over $140 million during that seven-year period. And during that time they paid $57 million in federal, state and local taxes at a combined overall tax rate in the last year of 48.8 percent. During that same time they donated a total of $14 million to charity.

Also in a separate release by the campaign we also learned that Hillary -- a little bit more about her health, her doctor releasing a summary showing that the issues that she had from that health scare in 2012, that concussion and blood clot, that issue they say has been completely resolved. But this document also revealing that she does take blood thinners still as a daily precaution.

You know, all this came as the same day as latest batch of e-mails from her private e-mail server were also released by the State Department so the Clinton campaign clearly very eager to try to show that they're trying to be transparent in releasing this other information. The polling shows that Clinton's trustworthiness is a big area of vulnerability for her as a candidate so clearly, Randi, this is something the campaign is very acutely aware of -- Randi.

KAYE: Yes, and you mentioned those 2,000 pages of the e-mails from when she was secretary of state. Anything stand out in those? SERFATY: Well, one of the biggest areas I think that stood out was

how highly redacted many of the e-mail were. Dozens of e-mail had information that was blacked out. And that was because, not that it was classified information but deemed sensitive information. And this was inspected, we know that the intelligence committee has a team at the State Department and making sure now that there's not any classified information released in this latest and that was because in the last round we heard from the inspectors general in the intelligence community that there were some classified information released as part of this overall release of the e-mails.

But I have so to say that aside there were some moments of color in the release of these e-mails. One e-mail that Clinton sent to her chief of staff, Randi, requested her to borrow the book "Send" which is a classic guide on how to e-mail -- Randi.

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KAYE: Yes, that is a little ironic. I also know, you're hearing some developments regarding one of Clinton's closest aides and a paid dispute. What do you know about that?

SERFATY: Yes, this is real interesting. This is all about Huma Abedin, she is one of Clinton's longest serving aides. She served with her as chief of -- deputy chief of staff at the State Department, also currently serves on her presidential campaign. The State Department inspector general has been looking into a dispute over whether she was overpaid $10,000 when she departed the State Department, and this is also around two -- one vacation in August of 2011 and also how she was paid during her maternity leave.

Now Huma's lawyers dispute this and they say that she did do work during both of those leaves so she deserves to be paid. And they are asking for an administrative review of the findings.

KAYE: All right. One more thing on the plate there.

All right. Sunlen, thank you. Nice to see you.

Moments ago the plane debris that could belong to Flight 370 just arrived at a France laboratory. Investigators say they will quickly be able to identify it, but then what? We will take you there live.

[13:25:06] Plus a judge goes from angry to emotional inside a courtroom over an undocumented immigrant accused of a deadly crime spree. You'll see what happens.

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KAYE: Most mortgage rates down a little this week. Have a look.

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KAYE: Hello, everyone. Thanks for joining me. I'm Randi Kaye in for Fredricka Whitfield. As this piece of debris arrives at a special lab in Toulouse, France,

our Tom Foreman explains just how the possible debris from Flight MH- 370 could have made it thousands of miles from the spots investigators believe that plane crashed.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Think about the nature of an airplane. It has to go through very tough environments, it has to be very durable and very lightweight. So there are many parts on airplanes that also are not coincidentally buoyant. They will float. The wings and the tail, for example, are made of composite materials. They can be torn into numerous pieces and yet a lot of the parts will stay on top of the water.

You also might have things down in the cargo hold. The people checked that if they burst free might float. And when you move into the cabin of the plane you get even more. Think about all the times you've heard about seat cushions that will float. Well, there are dozens or hundreds of those on any given plane. Plus there's everything the passengers have brought on board. Toiletry kits and water bottles and little packets of cookies and chips. All of which if they have enough air in them will go to the surface and can stay there a long time.

[13:30:08] So what won't float? Well, the engines, for sure. These are incredibly important to an investigation. They could tell you whether it ran out of fuel or whether it was still driving forward as it hit the water. And they're definitely not on the surface. And the same can be said for the voice and data recorders. The real treasure trove of the information.

There's no way that they're floating either, and so far if these items are at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, then they remain in a very treacherous environment of hills and valleys and great pressure and darkness waiting to maybe one day be found.

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KAYE: Let's bring in Mary Schiavo, she is CNN's aviation analyst and former inspector general for the Department of Transformation.

Mary, you saw Tom Foreman's report there. I mean, how many key pieces of evidence do you think belonging to MH-370 might still be out there and maybe still be floating out there?

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, there could be hundreds of pieces still out there floating and obviously there's tens of thousands of pieces somewhere in that ocean. But the currents also -- I mean, when you look at the current map that the Australian government put together way back when they started the search, they released it a few months after the plane went missing, and they had actually chartered out the drift patterns and some went right towards Madagascar. A few probe back around to the northwestern coast of Australia.

So it really is going take a lot of eyes on the coast, all around the Indian Ocean to keep looking because any piece is going to offer, you know, what may be the only clues that they have to the puzzle because, as Tom said, the black boxes do not float there at the bottom of the ocean.

KAYE: Right. And if they do determine that this piece is from MH- 370, can this piece alone, if they didn't find anything else, can it tell you what happened to this airplane?

SCHIAVO: No, it can't tell you why this happened to the airplane. It can certainly tell you things, for example, from the very stresses on the piece of the flaperon, it can tell you perhaps how it detached from the plane if the plane was in a spiral when it detached. There's a characteristic twisting motion that goes on metal if it crashes, when it's spinning. It can tell you an approximate rate of the impact if it was a high impact or a low speed impact.

But also on this particular part, there was something called an air winds directive put out by the United States government. Now of course only U.S. carriers have to comply but it said that this -- the pins that hold the flaperon on were weak so it's possible that in the crash sequence this piece came off before it ever went under water. So there's so many mysteries and they might be able to tell that and then of course X-ray it -- I mean, do every kind of test on it if they can.

KAYE: Yes.

SCHIAVO: And then eventually they'll have to cut it open to look inside as well. And that's why it's taking so long for them to really send the information.

KAYE: So are you convinced at this point that this was a deliberate act by somebody in the cockpit like U.S. intel is showing?

SCHIAVO: No, because the Malaysian government, and remember our government was also part of it. There are seven nations that are -- took part in this investigation and on March 8th, 2015, they released a 600-page report and it said they had no evidence of anything nefarious or anything that the pilots did.

We participated in that investigation, the United States. And if we had evidence we should have produced it. So I think what happened is no one knows so they're just assuming that it must be that because we can't find anything wrong with the plane. Well, we can't find anything wrong with the plane because we haven't found it yet.

KAYE: Yes.

SCHIAVO: So I think all things should be on the table.

KAYE: I can't have you on the show today without talking about drones because we've certainly been talking a lot about it. The two drones that certainly got in the way of aircraft at JFK airport, the Delta flight and the JetBlue flight, both seeing one very, very close to the airplane.

How concerning do you think this is at this point? We seem to be hearing more about it.

SCHIAVO: Well, it's very, very concerning. Besides, having drones at JFK or any major airport was illegal even before the latest drone laws came into effect because when you're at those airports you need to be under the positive control of air traffic control. But the new drone laws if followed would keep the drones other than with special permission and the FAA has granted special permission to CNN, among others, for the use of their drones, and other than that, you have to keep them below 400 feet and you can't be anywhere near an airport, five miles from an airport. So if people would follow, this wouldn't happen. And what is happening now is there are some stiff prosecutions being handed out including jail time for lawbreakers. As people get the word, they won't do such idiotic things anymore.

KAYE: All right. Let's hope so.

Mary Schiavo, nice to see you. Thank you.

SCHIAVO: Thank you.

KAYE: Next a judge goes from angry to holding back tears when he confronts an undocumented immigrant accused of killing someone. You will see what happened.

And later a Kentucky man says a drone was flying too close to his sun bathing daughter so he shot it out of the sky and now guess what, he's the one facing federal charges. Stay with us.

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KAYE: For the second time in under a man, an undocumented immigrant has been accused of murdering someone. This after authorities in Ohio became aware over that person's status but did not detain or deport him. And the judge was not so happy about it.

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JUDGE MIKE CICCONETTI, LAKE COUNTY, OHIO: I can't set a bond high enough. I cannot set one high enough, so I'm just going to set it at $10 million. Somebody that we don't know who he is, why he is in this country, why he's here illegally, and why he allegedly committed a murder.

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KAYE: The suspect in this latest, Juan Razo, returns to court on Monday facing a murder charge alone long with an attempted rape charge.

Sara Ganim joins me now more with some details -- Sara.

SARA GANIM, CNN INVESTIGATIONS CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon, Randi. Yes, there's a little bit of finger pointing going on here about what authorities in Ohio knew about Juan Razo in the weeks leading up to his alleged crime spree. But let's start with what happened.

So July 27th he is alleged to have tried to rape his 14-year-old niece in a park in Lake County, Ohio. And in the moments after that there are reports of shootings. One woman who said she was walking along a path in that park, was shot in the shoulder and then a couple of hours later another woman, a beloved secretary to a mayor in Ohio, was found shot to death in her home and Juan Razo was suspected of that shooting. He later gets into a shootout with police, and he's finally arrested.

[13:40:03] And then we learned that he has illegal status, he's an illegal alien, he has no identification, no passport, no license. He admits to this. And we learned that three weeks prior, about 20 days prior on July 7th, there was an encounter between him and the Lake County sheriff where he was approached because of a report of a suspicious vehicle. He admits that he does not have legal status here in this country.

He's sweating, he's nervous, he's not making eye contact. The sheriff, though, called ICE and puts them on the phone with Juan Razo. And there's an exchange there and he doesn't necessarily go as far as to admit that he doesn't have any legal status here and now there's a back or forth about whether or not something could have been done to detain him at that point.

Now ICE of course saying that he didn't commit a crime, so they didn't feel that they could do anything to detain him at that point and the sheriff's department putting it back on ICE -- Randy.

KAYE: Well, there's this Latino outreach organization in Ohio called OLA and they say that he's been waiting a long time for his green card. Any idea why he hasn't been able to get it?

GANIM: Right. So this is pretty typical for people. I mean, this maybe shocking to you. I just learned a lot about this, this morning, Randi. You know, his father has legal status, he's a U.S. citizen. He works here in this country and he had petitioned for his kids including Juan Razo to also gain residency many, many years ago. Now the typical wait for someone like him from the country of Mexico is about 20 years.

Now here's where the gray area kind of comes into play. There's kind of a limbo where the U.S. government recognizes that they want the unification of families. They don't want to separate families, and so they kind of recognize that people who are the children of U.S. citizen may stay here while they're waiting this 20 years for their residency under the condition that when they finally come up, when they're number is called that they will pay a small fine of about a thousand dollars. And it seems that that was the case here.

KAYE: All right. Thank you for making sense of all that. It's certainly a complicated case.

Sara Ganim, appreciate it.

Now let's bring in our experts to discuss this case. Cheryl Dorsey is a former Los Angeles police sergeant and Danny Cevallos, our legal analyst and a criminal defense attorney.

Cheryl, to you first on this one. Could law enforcement do you think have done anything to prevent it from getting to this point?

CHERYL DORSEY, FORMER LAPD SERGEANT: Well, you know, we can never make sure that every avenue is covered, and so we do as police agencies the best that we can, and so for me personally this gentlemen's situation is not anymore egregious or outrageous than the people that are here legally. The male whites that walk into churches and movie theater and schools and shoot numerous people. So you do the best you can and then you deal with what's left.

KAYE: Danny, let me ask you because this case I think reminds a lot of people of this illegal immigrant in San Francisco who allegedly killed a woman back on July 1st. However, San Francisco we know is what's called a sanctuary city where officials are refusing to honor federal request to detain people who are in the country illegally. But then you look at Lake County, Ohio, where Razo is facing charges, it's not a sanctuary city. And he was still allowed to go free as we just heard. Why do you think that is?

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, when we talk about sanctuary cities, I mean, there are very few actually sanctuary cities, even if your town or state or area isn't considered a sanctuary, there still is a fundamental problem with the federal government demanding that local law enforcement like our other guest here today enforce federal immigration law, and that has always created a conflict whether you're in a sanctuary city or in this jurisdiction in Ohio which is not a sanctuary city, because the federal government cannot force law authorities to arrest and detain someone unless that person has committed some crime that's arrestable under local law.

To do so really violates the Constitution and it puts local police departments at risk if they're holding somebody without probable cause for no reason. If this was any other situation and police were holding people knowing that they didn't have any reason to other than a request from Customs and Border Protection, then we would be howling that rights are being violated.

Now I agree that we need to come up with a way to police illegal immigration a little better, but fundamentally and constitutionally the federal government cannot command, it cannot dragoon local law enforcement into enforcing its own policy.

KAYE: So, Cheryl, getting back to this hearing that we saw, that very intense hearing, I mean, there you saw Razo admit at the bail hearing that he had no license, no identification, no passport, and that his birth certificate was somewhere in Mexico. So how can this guy be properly identified?

[13:45:06] DORSEY: Well, there are ways that officers have to identify someone. One of the easiest ways would be to run his fingerprint and run it through live scan to see if he is who he purports or if he has another name that's connected with him. And so, you know, there are things that we can do, you can check through DMV if he were to have a license. You can certainly just ask him for names of family members and pick up the phone and try to verify who he is through that.

KAYE: All right. Cheryl Dorsey, Danny Cevallos, very interesting case that we will continue to follow. No doubt. Thank you both.

DORSEY: Thank you.

KAYE: Next, Zimbabwe wants the American dentist extradited for killing one of Africa's most treasured lion. Will it happen?

And a man in Kentucky shoots down a drone that was flying over his sunbathing daughter. Now he is the one in trouble.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Just two months left until the Fit Nation Sick Pack takes on the Nautica Malibu Triathlon. They've been training hard, swimming, biking and running. But Six Pack member, Robert Lara, says time has been his biggest hurdle.

[13:50:05] ROBERT LARA, FIT NATION PARTICIPANT: Consistency in training. It's rough, you know, I mean, you work a full-time gig and then plus all the other stuff that comes along and then somewhere in there you've got to cram in an hour of work-out every other day. That's rough.

GUPTA: Despite that, he's managed to get the workouts in, learned to cook healthier foods.

LARA: So the weeks I do put the work into cook, my life is a lot better, it's a lot more structured.

GUPTA: And inspire people along the way.

LARA: I've never been someone I thought that would inspire people to go work out. I think that's a byproduct of what we try to do.

GUPTA: The change he's most proud of, his type-2 diabetes seems to be improving.

LARA: The numbers are totally different now than they were when I started. Like the blood sugar's low, the blood pressure's low, everything is different. And so that's a good thing.

GUPTA: And Lara says, for him it's been more about the journey than the end result.

LARA: And most people who are athletes and try to be competitive, they know that they can't climb Mr. Mountain without climbing a bunch of hills first. I think that's where we're at.

GUPTA: And at least until September --

LARA: Do what April tells you to do and really do it and that's it. GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.

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KAYE: We have been telling you about a drone that flew just 100 feet from a Delta passenger jet at New York's JFK airport. Well, today another drone encounter is under investigation in Kentucky. But in this case, a man was arrested for shooting one down over his house.

The story is the latest example of the right to fly a drone versus the right to privacy.

Natalia Martinez with CNN affiliate WAVE has the story.

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NATALIA MARTINEZ, WAVE REPORTER: New video of the moment when 47- year-old William Meredith gets arrested for shooting down a drone. Meredith used a 12-gauge shotgun to bring it down after he says the drone was hovering over his yard where his two girls were sitting.

DAVID BOGGS, DRONE OWNER: He didn't tell the truth. And so set the record straight.

MARTINEZ: For the first time, the owner of the drone fires back against Meredith's claims.

BOGGS: Stop telling everybody we was hovering in his yard, and his neighbors', too, because it just didn't happen.

MARTINEZ: David Boggs says he was flying the drone at more than 200 feet over Meredith's home.

BOGGS: If he would have shot it with a shotgun from 10 feet, it would have destroyed it.

MARTINEZ: Boggs shows us a video he says shows the drone's path during its last flight. The video given to him by the drone company shows the altitude at 259 feet and quickly passing by Meredith's home before it was shot. Meredith told us there was more than one flight that day.

WILLIAM MEREDITH, ARRESTED FOR SHOOTING DRONE: We were in our own yard. Had he been flying around and never stopped over my house, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

MARTINEZ: Meredith does regret how he reacted with Hill View Police.

MEREDITH: That officer did an excellent job of keeping a bad situation from getting worse.

MARTINEZ: Both men say the facts will prove they're right.

BOGGS: If somebody was flying in my backyard 10 feet hovering, looking around, playing peek-a-boo under a canopy, I would shoot it down, too. The problem with Willy is he's not telling the truth. (END VIDEO CLIP)

KAYE: Meredith was arrested for wanton endangerment and criminal mischief. He's due in court next month and says that he will fight the charges.

So I want to talk more about this case with HLN legal analyst Joey Jackson.

Joey, it sounds like this guy was -- at least he's saying that he was just protecting his daughter. But I want to play one more sound bite that wasn't in that story where he's sort of explaining why he shot it down. Just listen to this first.

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MEREDITH: Had he not hovered over my property, we wouldn't be talking.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How long was he hovering for?

MEREDITH: Long enough for me to get three shots off.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How long was that?

MEREDITH: I wasn't timing it. So, I mean, long enough for me to get three shots off.

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KAYE: So hovering over his property. His daughters in a swimsuit. Should this be the guy who's in trouble?

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JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: I don't know that it should be, Randi. Good afternoon to you.

You know, technology is burgeoning, of course. And the use of drones, you could use them for things that are highly favorable and you could use them for things that are unfavorable, and let's break that down a little bit. Of course drones we know protect our borders. They're very good in terms of enforcement and surveillance and environmental uses, and the beat goes on. So there's some positive uses.

From a, you know, more skeptical point of view, Randi, they could be used certainly for purposes of spying and getting information and things that we don't want them for. And of course the average American thinks that big brother is out there already in terms of the government. Now you add private people going over people's property.

And so he's in some trouble. That is a shooter. Yes, he's in some trouble. There's not a specific rule or regulation relating to shooting down a drone. But it relates to endangering other people. Whenever you discharge a rifle, a firearm, you could cause substantial injury to somebody else. Somebody could get hurt. The drone could come crashing down. And so in light of that, he's in trouble. And of course, criminal mischief in light of the fact that you damage somebody's property.

[13:55:07] However, we should note that, you know, there needs to be regulations, Randi, and there needs to be certainly the government keeping up with technology so that people don't look up and see drones hovering over their yard to get panicked enough to go get their rifle from inside the house.

KAYE: Yes, this is a really interesting one. I mean, I'm going to have to follow this, because I have to see what happens here to William Meredith because, I mean, he's got a good defense, but we'll see.

JACKSON: And, you know, interestingly enough, briefly, there was a case in Jersey last year and then Colorado, they took up the issue of whether they should offer hunting licenses to go after these drones. So Kentucky is not alone in this area and we're going to see more and more of this. So let's both follow this one, Randi.

KAYE: All right, we will, together. Joey Jackson, thank you.

JACKSON: Take care. Have a great day.

KAYE: You, too.

Next, Osama bin Laden's family members killed in a plane crash, and the moment is caught on video. You'll see what happened.

And Donald Trump chats with CNN before the big debate. And he has a message for Vladimir Putin.

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MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: On Russia, you mentioned Russia yesterday. How are you going to make friends with Putin --

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No, I don't say make friends. Putin --

FOSTER: And (INAUDIBLE) Putin.

TRUMP: Putin has no respect for President Obama. He will respect me, that I tell you.

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[14:00:05] KAYE: Hello, everyone. Thanks for joining me. I'm Randi Kaye in for Fredricka Whitfield.