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Movie Theater Shooting Makes Public Scared of Going; Judge Orders Bill Cosby to Give Sworn Deposition; Why Celebrity Jurors Are Rare; Kelly Osbourne Blasted for Comment on "The View" about Hispanics; The Music Evolution of Carole King. Aired 2:30-3p ET
Aired August 06, 2015 - 14:30 ET
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[14:30:00] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: You really take the time to figure out and walk to see where the exit is and where it would lead to.
BILL STANTON, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: Brooke, I know where there are three exits right here. If something went down, I'll grab you by the wrist and we're out of dodge.
BALDWIN: I work here and I'm thinking, where would I get out.
STANTON: You set it and forget it, have it in your mind and go on about your day. It's not about being paranoid. It's about being prepared.
BALDWIN: Nor should you be. I don't want to be paranoid.
STANTON: For you to stop going to the movies, then they accomplish their job. Do not worry. Just be more aware.
OK. Bill Stanton, thank you.
STANTON: 10-4.
BALDWIN: Thank you, thank you.
Coming up, guest host of "The View," Kelly Osbourne, getting blasted online for an offensive comment she made about Hispanics. We'll talk to a former guest host about that. That's ahead.
But next, a judge has ordered Bill Cosby to answer questions under oath in a lawsuit that alleges that Bill Cosby sexually assaulted a Playboy bunny at the mansion years ago. What could we expect? What could he say or not say? Up next.
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[14:35:34] BALDWIN: We are just past the bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.
A court order has done what mounting pressure has failed to do, getting Bill Cosby to respond to a lawsuit of allegations of sexual assault from decades ago. A superior court judge in California judge has just ruled that the legendary comedian will be deposed in two months, all part of this lawsuit filed by this woman, Judy Huth, and her suit says, in 1974, Cosby knew she was just 15, 15, when he molested her at the Playboy mansion. What this means, is despite his attorneys' efforts, Cosby will be under oath, first.
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GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY FOR ACCUSER SUING BILL COSBY: We had a battle over who was going to go first and that's why I went to court last week. Mr. Cosby must submit to his deposition first on October 9th and after will be our client's deposition.
In general, we don't want a defendant to have an opportunity to try to tailor his testimony or be after the plaintiff's testimony, whatever she's testified to.
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BALDWIN: With me now, defense attorney and former prosecutor, Randy Zelin.
Randy, what are the possibilities? What could one hear from Bill Cosby because we're especially mindful because of all of these stories, but as well because that judge in Pennsylvania released the deposition just last month from 2005 when we heard all about the Quaaludes and wanting to seduce women.
RANDY ZELIN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY & FORMER PROSECUTOR: You have two sides of the coin here. What you could expect to hear from Mr. Cosby, I would imagine, is going to be a lot of "I don't know" and a lot more of "I don't remember." From Ms. Allred -- and remember, you have two fabulous lawyers, Marty Singer, representing Cosby, and Gloria Allred. You're talking about legends. They don't need to watch us to get a tip.
BALDWIN: They know what they're doing?
ZELIN: Right. But the point is, you'll be getting the "I don't remembers" because everybody thinks, what good is a "I don't remember" answer? Number one, if you're lying and you do remember, that's perjury.
BALDWIN: How can they tell? How can they prove it?
ZELIN: Because what you do in a deposition, you're not looking to impress anyone with your legal skills on cross-examination. You want the witness to talk. So "I don't remember," first, would there be any documents to help you refresh your recollection? You ask about surrounding circumstances, other things in that time that might have been memorable to establish, well, you remember this --
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BALDWIN: So you can call the bluff?
ZELIN: Exactly. You're blocking any escape exits for Mr. Cosby at trial where he suddenly will remember something favorable to him. You want that witness to talk because you're looking to generate what's called prior inconsistencies at the trial, and you don't want any surprises.
BALDWIN: Is it possible that he takes it beyond the "I don't remember" and says, pleading the Fifth, absolutely zip?
ZELIN: The problem about that is, you can only take Five when, first of all, you have a genuine apprehension that your answer could subject you to a criminal prosecution. In all likelihood here, the statutes of limitations have long since expired. If he were to take that position -- by the way, at a deposition, you must answer the question. Your attorney cannot direct you not direct you not to answer a question unless it goes to a privilege.
BALDWIN: Got it.
ZELIN: So if Mr. Singer were to direct Mr. Cosby on Fifth Amendment grounds not to answer the question, Mrs. Allred would get an order and say, try again.
BALDWIN: Got it. Got it. Can we totally switch gears and talk about what happened in Dallas, because it's kind of fun. Juror 43 -- in case you haven't heard this -- President George W. Bush was called in as a potential juror at the Dallas courthouse yesterday. There's all kinds of pictures. He seemed like an amazing sport taking pictures with people, such as this one.
Can you imagine? And he wasn't selected. Shock face. I can't imagine the president of the United States ever serving on a jury but what about celebrities? How often does that really happen where they are selected?
ZELIN: Being a president is not a basis for disqualification.
BALDWIN: It's not?
ZELIN: Being a celebrity is not a basis for disqualification. Maybe a sitting president, but not one who is no longer sitting. But the point is, on so many levels, this is so cool.
BALDWIN: It is so cool.
[14:40:03] ZELIN: It should send a message to everyone, the jury service is important and if he can do it, you should be doing it. That, to me, is the biggest message of all. But just remember, it's all about, can you be fair?
BALDWIN: Yes.
ZELIN: Can you be impartial? So he goes and I'm sure lawyers are going to be intimidated but the truth of the matter is, if you get him in the panel, jury selection is all about, can I get this juror or all of these jurors to dig me? Because if they dig me, they'll dig my client. And if I feel that celebrity is going to like my case, I want him because he's going to run, she's going to run that jury room.
BALDWIN: Right. I wish I had been selected last year. I think it would be fascinating to sit on a jury.
Randy Zelin, thank you.
ZELIN: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Next, Kelly Osbourne is under fire after this offensive comment she made about Latinos. Her co-hosts are willing to forgive and forget, but many are saying, no, no, not so fast. We'll talk to Rachel __ next. We'll get her take as a former guest host of "The View." Stay right here.
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[14:45:39] BALDWIN: Kelly Osbourne, of course, from the Osbourne family and "Fashion Police," is getting blasted now online for comments she made about Latinos on "The View" on Tuesday. She was trying to call out Donald Trump during a discussion on Tuesday but said this.
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KELLY OSBOURNE, TELEVISION PERSONALITY: If you kick every Latino out of this country, who is going to be cleaning your toilet, Donald Trump, in a sense that --
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UNIDENTIFIED HOST: Oh, that's -- No.
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OSBOURNE: In the sense -- you know what I mean? What I'm saying --
UNIDENTIFIED HOST: There's more jobs to be.
OSBOURNE: In a way, they always --
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UNIDENTIFIED HOST: Latinos are not the only people --
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OSBOURNE: No, I didn't mean it like that. Come on. No. I would never mean it like that.
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BALDWIN: All right. So she apologized on Facebook. This is part of what she said. "I always take responsibility for my actions. In this particular case, I will take responsibility for my poor choice of words but will not apologize for being a racist, as I am not." She goes on, "I learned a very valuable lesson. It is my hope that this situation will open up a conversation about immigration and the Latin community as a whole." Let's parse this hour with Rachel Campus-Duffy. She has filled in 25
times or more on "The View" and she's the national spokesman for the Libre Initiative, a nonprofit that advocates for the economic empowerment of Hispanics. Also here in New York, HLN contributor, Sean-Pierre Regis.
Awesome having you both on.
Rachel, to you first. When you heard what Kelly Osbourne said, what was your first reaction?
RACHEL CAMPUS-DUFFY, TELEVISION PERSONALITY & NATIONAL SPOKESWOMAN, LIBRE INITIATIVE: Well, the first reaction was obviously she stepped in it and quickly realized it and to her advantage, she was quickly forgiven by rosier O'Donnell because they share very similar persuasion.
BALDWIN: Rosie Perez.
CAMPUS-DUFFY: I'm not sure if that kind of forgiveness would have been extended to a conservative who had said that.
What's interesting to me is it brings up -- she says she wants to bring up other topics from her faux pas, and it does. Because she referred to people who work for Donald Trump's organization, and all over the country, as toilet cleaners. I think it's very denigrating. They are working hard to give their children a better life. If you look what's happening tonight at the Republican debate, we have two Hispanics that are going to be taking the stage as well as an African- American on the GOP side. One of those, Marco Rubio, is the product of a housekeeper who worked for a hotel. So I think that this is a conversation about the American dream. We should not degrade hired work and definitely not refer to those people as toilet cleaners or also forget about the other jobs that Latinos have in our country.
BALDWIN: I want to jump back for a reaction from Rosie Perez, which is a separate conversation in itself.
Sean-Pierre, turning to you, to remind everyone, Kelly Osbourne's role in sort of leading the charge against "Fashion Police" co-host, Giuliana Ransic, a couple of months ago, what happened?
SEAN-PIERRE REGIS, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Exactly. This is a case of foot- in-mouth syndrome for Kelly Osbourne. Months ago, her ex co-host, Giuliana Ransic, made a comment about Zindia (ph), she had dreadlocks in her hair, and Giuliana said she looked like she had just smoked weed. People said, you're a racist, how dare you say that.
BALDWIN: About Giuliana.
REGIS: About Giuliana. And Kelly took to Twitter immediately saying, listen, I don't condone racism and don't want to be part of this show anymore. She threw Giuliana under the bus. Giuliana is leave E! News now. No word on exactly why but a lot of people are speculating that could be part of it. And so to see Kelly Osbourne say something like this and be taken to task, you have to ask, did you have it coming? BALDWIN: OK. I guess I'm out of time. Come back. I'm sure we'll
have another discussion at some point.
(LAUGHTER)
Rachel Campos-Duffy, Sean-Pierre Regis, thank you both so much.
CAMPOS-DUFFY: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Quick break and we'll be right back.
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[14:53:58] BALDWIN: CNN, as you know, is taking a deep dive into the '70s. It was a decade of disco, rock and eventually punk. Earth, Wind and Fire, Cool and the Gang, the Doors, the Stones, the Boss, and who could forget Queen? But one artist stepped into the music scene long before she topped the charts in the early '70s. Carole King was a hit maker, writing for the Drifters, Aretha Franklin and the Beatles.
So in order to tell her story, I went backstage on Broadway to talk to the star of one of my favorite musicals here in New York. And it's clear that Carole King's music resonates decades later.
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BALDWIN (voice-over): For decades, Grammy Award-winning singer/songwriter, Carole King, has been hitting all the right notes.
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BALDWIN: Making her mark in the '70s with "Tapestry," the 1972 album of the year, and ultimately one of the best-selling albums of all time.
But becoming Carole King on Broadway is no easy task. I went backstage with Chilina Kennedy, who transforms into her almost nightly in the Tony Award-winning show "Beautiful."
[14:55:11] (on camera): Evolution of Carole King in that decade is what?
CHILINA KENNEDY, ACTRESS: Well, so much of it is about her journey from being the 16-year-old who is incredibly brave and fearless, like marching into the office and saying, I have a song if you want to listen to me.
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BALDWIN: Uh-huh.
KENNEDY: And being a girl at that time, and saying, I don't care, I'm just as good of a songwriter as anybody else so I'm going to show it to them.
BALDWIN (voice-over): But Carole King became an artist beckoned to the stage by long-time friend, James Taylor, she penned hit after hit in the 1960s with then husband, Gerry Goffin.
KENNEDY: What I learned in that era, how much she wrote, how much of the music that we know that in our DNA, not a lot of people realize when they walk in, they will be singing every word.
She is truly prolific. Just the sheer amount of number-one hits that she wrote is just spectacular.
(SINGING)
BALDWIN: Do you have a favorite?
KENNEDY: Oh, my gosh.
BALDWIN: I know. That's like asking to pick a favorite child.
(LAUGHTER)
KENNEDY: But I feel that "You've Got a Friend," to me, is one of my favorite songs of all time. And I think because of the generosity behind it and how she gave that to James Taylor and let him have that as his song.
(SINGING)
KENNEDY: There's a moment in the show which is my favorite, which is "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow."
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BALDWIN: Beautiful.
KENNEDY: So beautiful.
(SINGING)
KENNEDY: They wrote so many of these great love songs and so many great hits together and had so much love between them. Yeah, you know, things happened and they had their troubles but, at the end of it all, you know, the love stayed between them.
BALDWIN (voice-over): So what mark did Carole King leave on the decade remembered for it is music?
(on camera): A little bit of the '70s. You and I lived it.
KENNEDY: Yes.
BALDWIN: And how do you think -- not just Carole King's music but how do you think that music influences bands today?
KENNEDY: There's so much perfected in the studio. Back in the '70s, you would sit with guitars and a piano and there was no --
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: It was raw.
KENNEDY: Yeah, it was raw. You do your take and that's the end of it. Back in "Tapestry's" time, it was very much a collaborative music scene, and Carole talks about this in her book in terms of jamming with people, that there's always a time to stop and to listen and then there's a time to play.
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BALDWIN (voice-over): And no pressure, about Chilina and Jesse Mueller, who originated the role on Broadway and won the Tony, have met the woman whose life they portray on stage.
BALDWIN: Tell me about the moment when you first met Carole King.
KENNEDY: She met with me after the show, sat me down and showed me how she plays her stuff. And so to sit next to her and watch her play, just incredible. I mean, I have no words. It was amazing. It was amazing.
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(LAUGHTER)
BALDWIN: If I sing, I will shatter glass. Can you give me one line of something?
(SINGING)
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BALDWIN: Oh, so good. "Beautiful" on Broadway.
Make sure you watch back-to-back episodes of the CNN's series "The Seventies," tonight, at 9:00 p.m.
[15:00:08] Rolling on, hour two here. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Here we go.
