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Donald Trump and Megyn Kelly; Bobbi Kristina Poisoned? Aired 9-10p ET

Aired August 10, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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[21:00:00] DR. DREW PINSKY, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, Donald Trump and the secret memo about Megyn Kelly. And Bobby Christina, poisoned by Nick

Gordon. That is what a lawsuit claims. Plus, too young to talk, but she`s driving a car. We have the incredible video, you`re looking at it there.

But all of this starts right now at the top of the feed. #bloodgate, the war of words between Megyn Kelly of Fox news and Donald Trump. She grilled

him, in effect, during the Republican presidential debate, which got incredible ratings. Take a look at this.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I get big crowds. I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX ANCHOR: You`ve called women you don`t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. Your Twitter account...

TRUMP: Only Rosie O`Donnell.

PINSKY: Do you think there was an agenda on the part of Fox News to target you? And if you do, why is that?

TRUMP: Well, probably, I don`t know, probably, who cares? I don`t really care. Certainly, I don`t have a lot of respect for Megyn Kelly. She`s a

lightweight. And you know, she came out there reading her little script and trying to be tough and be sharp and when you meet her, you realize

she`s not very tough and she`s not very sharp. She`s zippo.

PINSKY: What is it with you and Megyn Kelly?

TRUMP: Well, I just don`t respect her as a journalist. I have no respect for her. I don`t think she`s very good. I think she`s highly overrated.

She starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. And you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her, wherever.

But she was, in my opinion, she was off-base.

PINSKY: Joining me, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor at Pepperland University. Rolanda Watts, host of Sundays with Rolanda Podcast

and Jason Ellis, serious XM radio host, author of the Awesome Guides to Live. I also have Segun, entertainment journalist and Kaley Macanany,

political commentator.

So guys, Rolanda, is he still winning, Trump?

ROLANDA WATTS, HOST: Oh my gosh, listen, Trump is obviously out for blood himself, but a little splashed back on him this time. I think it`s one

thing when you have an ethnic group against you, because of some words you say, but when you have more than half of the voting population wondering,

what in the world are you saying? I don`t think he necessarily meant it in the way that it was perceived, but you don`t want to give your opponents

any ammunition.

PINSKY: Well, he`s saying that anyone thinking that he meant it the way he said it is somehow obscene and perverted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m obscene.

PINSKY: You seem to be?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought he said that - that`s what he meant and I think when you cop out and say that you didn`t mean that, because it`s

pretty obvious when you hear that audio, you didn`t mean a nosebleed, very obvious. Stand up for what you said. It shows me a weak spot.

PINSKY: Carly Fiorina really kind of nailed it. She said, we all as women knew what it meant. Saying if we`re on our periods, we can`t effectively

lead, come on.

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: And the context of the subtleties in which he spoke. The tone. Don`t say it`s from her ears or mouth. It`s not.

It`s really, really a slam on The female identity. So, and he`s actually criticized Female leaders all throughout time.

This is not the only time, right?

PINSKY: He doesn`t just criticize females. He criticizes everybody. You`re stupid, you`re incompetent. And you`ve known him forever.

HO: I`ve known him...

PINSKY: Has it ever been different?

WATTS: It`s never changed one bit. Even when he says, people constantly ask him, will you ask those type of questions if you`re the president, he

says, well, no. Well, that part I don`t believe. I think he`ll consistently be who he is, and that has worked for him tremendously up to

this point.

HO: And I think the difference is when he is on "The Apprentice," that`s funny, but now that he`s a presidential candidate, it`s a different bar.

PINSKY: Listen guys, do not underestimate the crowd that`s gathering behind him. It`s like the movie "The Network," remember that movie, I`m

mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. People are like, I feel the same as you. Segun?

SEGUN ODUNLOWA, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Yes, I just don`t understand why people are surprised that a man who does beauty pageants has a twisted view

of women. Everyone knew what he meant, but the people are still supporting him like you said, Dr. Drew. He made a comment that everyone knew what he

was going after and they`re still supporting him. If you look at the polls from that debate, a lot of people are saying he came in second.

He`s the only voice that we are hearing. He`s the only face we recognize. And until people realize that what`s coming out of his mouth is really

hurtful and scapegoating to a lot of people, Mexicans, Blacks, women...

PINSKY: But scapegoating is what he is using in an effective way. Kaley, my question is, did Fox make a mistake by scapegoating him? They seemed so

concerned about supporting the republican agenda that if that is diluted by an independent candidate, they`re completely freaked out about it.

KAYLEIGH MCENARRY, POLITICAN COMMENTATOR: No, that`s not true. If you go back and watch the debate, Fox asked really

hard-hitting questions. Right out of the gate, they went after Ben Carson, who is a really conservative candidate, they asked all of the candidates

very tough questions, and it was completely fair game, what they asked Mr. Trump. Because if Fox news isn`t asking Mr. Trump these questions, Hillary

Clinton will be asking him these questions in the three national debates across the stage from him in the general election. Fox did an astounding

job.

PINSKY: I agree with you, actually. Their questions were rather amazing and controlling 15 people up there is an unbelievable task. This

afternoon, one of the Fox news hosts tweeted that Trump will be on with him tomorrow morning. Quote - and by the way, as I`m thinking about Fox news,

CNN gets the next one, and I`m sure they`ll do equally as good a job doing, handling this. This Fox news anchor said, quote, watch as GOP front-runner

Donald Trump talks about his relationship with us, meaning Fox news. So, Kayleigh, is that the place for him to go.

MCENARRY: Yes. I mean, I think so. He can go there, he can go to CNN, wherever. I think he needs to address this, because if anything, Fox has

been more fair to him. He had 36 appearances on Fox News. Jeb Bush has had just three. He`s had a great platform on Fox and I think he needs to

measure back some of the criticism of the network.

PINSKY: And what better than Howard Stern, Jason, you`re my buddy. He tweeted a link to a 2010 Howard Stern interview with Megyn Kelly, Howard

was interviewing Megyn, during which they discussed some interesting topics. Take a look.

HOWARD: Would you ever get implants?

KELLY: I don`t think so.

HOWARD: Those are real breasts?

KELLY: Yes, these are real. I mean, they don`t look fake. Please.

HOWARD: Wow.

KELLY: You know what`s funny is...

HOWARD: You`re a C-cup, aren`t you?

KELLY: My husband calls them killer B`s.

HOWARD: They look like Cs to me, don`t they?

KELLY: We used to call them killer Bs and when I got pregnant, they became swimming Cs and Doug was frolicking in the ocean.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It happens, I`m told.

PINSKY: Next up, we`ll continue the conversation, and later, a child too young to talk drives a car on a dangerous roadway. You`ve got to see this

video to believe it. She cannot talk, but she can drive the car. Mom is videoing from the passenger seat. Be right back after this.

ALI NEJAD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I`m Ali Nejad with the Daily Share after this hour. Target will stop sorting toys into girls and boys. The move

will also affect items like bedding, but youth clothing will still be grouped by gender, because of differences in sizing and fit.

And a guy who says his order at McDonald`s is getting a lot of buzz on Facebook.

CHASE CARTER: Keep it fresh, that`s how I like it. And a McDouble. Can I get an Oreo McFlurry.

NEJAD: That was Chase Carter, whose video has been shared more than 24,000 times.

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TRUMP: I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. I`ve been - I`ve been challenged by so many people and I don`t,

frankly, have time for total political correctness. And frankly, what I say and oftentimes it`s fun, it`s kidding, we have a good time, what I say

is what I say. And honestly, Megyn, if you don`t like it, I`m sorry. I`ve been very nice to you, although I could probably not be, based on the way

that you have treated me, but I wouldn`t do that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Donald Trump is a straight shooter. And when people say, because of his beef with Kelly, that he has an issue with all women, I

think it`s absolutely ridiculous. I think that we`re cherry-picking right now. And there`s something that he`s connecting with. That`s why he`s

leading in the poll.

PINSKY: And of course, part of that tape was from the debate on Fox News. I`m back with Judy, Rolanda, Jason, Segun, and Kayleigh. Donald Trump is

doing awfully well in the polls. In the CNN ORC Poll, Trump is at 18 percent, Jeb Bush, 15 percent, Scott Walker 10 percent. In the NBC Wall

Street Journal Poll, Trump at 19 percent, Walker 15 percent, and Bush 14 percent. I want a comment or question from the audience. Yes, Ma`am go

ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I`ll play devil`s advocate and I`ll say that Trump is absolutely brilliant. And by that, I mean that he has an opinion,

he backs what he says, and I think that he is actually in the best position to lead our country.

PINSKY: Well, that is what people are responding to. They`re responding to the bombast and his narcissistic, inflammatory rhetoric. And I actually

think, Jason, I`m so curious what you feel. You have not lived your entire life in this country...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re calling me a foreigner on TV.

PINSKY: Basically.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I came here to make it. This is the only place worth living.

PINSKY: And I...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what I was told, anyway.

PINSKY: And are you persuaded by Mr. Trump`s rhetoric?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No, I can`t take him seriously. He has a comb- over that he denies is a comb-over.

PINSKY: Does it say anything about us, as Americans, that we are so excited about the rhetoric.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It says more about the people who are competing. I watched the whole thing, because I was in Mexico and every else is speaking

Spanish in every other channel and I love Spanish but I couldn`t understand it. So watching this thing...

PINSKY: You love those people like the way Donald Trump does?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t understand why they keep trying to pretend they`re the other guys who were president.

PINSKY: Is this?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re not the guy who started that. Why are you pretending to be the other guy who does that. He didn`t do that. He did

this.

WATTS: I`ll tell you what I heard on the news all day today, was people studying his body language, studying his facial expressions. He`s a

fascinating person. I mean...

PINSKY: He is a fascinating person. And we`re sort of mesmerized, as though he`s like a shiny object. And I think he`s amply - you`ve got to be

a narcissist to be a leader, and I think he`s exaggerating those qualities. You want to make a follow-up question or comment, go ahead?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I was just going to say, I think that he is a person that the other countries will finally respect. I think we`ve come

across as soft in the recent past and I think other countries will actually respect him. He`s a good businessman and, you know...

PINSKY: He`s been successful, he`s been a hard negotiator. Kayleigh, are we responding to something real here or is it just rhetoric again?

MCENARRY: No doubt about it that we`re responding to something real. You look at Donald Trump, and he`s brought attention to really important

issues. Illegal immigration, gun-free zones on military bases. We`ve seen these problems come to fruition in the murder of Kate Steinle or the

Chattanooga shooting.

So he`s acknowledging some of the mess that I think we will see leftover from the Obama Administration. But the problem is, I don`t know what his

solutions are. I hear him pointing out the mess, but then I see him engage in these ad hominem attacks. You can`t solve the problem by calling

someone stupid.

PINSKY: But here`s his solution. I`m smart and I`ll fix it. These fixes will be huge. Which is a hashtag now.

HO: What people are responding to is what we call a productive narcissism. It`s this idea that narcissists have these great qualities, like in a

turbulent times, people even say that Mohammad Gandhi was a productive narcissist. But the other side thing is, they grow increasingly believing

of their own infallibility. They`re never going to fail, they always have the solution and they become isolated and untrusting of others.

PINSKY: Judy, that`s why I think he`s amplifying a part of his personality that I don`t think we`ll see carry through the entire campaign. I think

he`s exaggerated that part of himself, because people are responding to that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I think people really want to talk about the real issues, and for me as a woman, to have some woman completely made up go

after this comment about he`s - you see him on "The Apprentice." men and women are competing equally. I want the issues to be about health care for

women. And if it means we have to talk about periods to do it, then bring on the red, because it`s not comparable.

PINSKY: #redflag.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And let`s talk about poverty and how the middle class has fallen out. And if Trump can bring some more to that, let`s go with

it.

PINSKY: You mentioned Megyn Kelly, and she addressed Trump`s comments just moments ago on her Fox News program. She just said this. Let`s take a

look at what she said.

KELLY: Apparently, Mr. Trump thought the question I asked was unfair and felt I was attacking him. I felt he was asked a tough, but fair question.

We agreed to disagree. Mr. Trump did interviews over the weekend that attacked me personally. I`ve decided not to respond. Mr. Trump is an

interesting man who has captured the attention of the electorate. That`s why he`s leading in the polls. Trump, who is the front-runner, will not

apologize, and I certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism. So I`ll continue doing my job without fear or favor.

PINSKY: All right. Well, there`s her response. Segun, what do you say?

SEGUN: Yes. I feel like I need to take a shower after hearing some of these comments that he`s the best equipped to run the country or that he`s

going to address poverty. He`s a billionaire. What does he know about the poor and the middle class? He hasn`t been poor or middle class ever. He

was born into a fortune.

So when people make these comments, because he strikes some nerve within them, what I fear is the nerve that`s being struck has nothing to do with

intelligence, it has nothing to do with what`s best for the country. It`s at a visceral level, he`s scapegoating an enemy that - I can blame a

Mexican person for the poverty instead of what`s really going on.

PINSKY: Jason, you`re biting your lip?

JASON: I`m just blown away by that lady saying she has no response, and responding. I`m not going to say anything, even though I`m just responding

right now on television.

PINSKY: I have no response. Here`s my response. I`m just so curious - how many presidential cycles have you been through?

JASON: Hang on.

PINSKY: Three or four?

JASON: That "Star Wars" actor guy was gone before I lived here. It was, I like McDonald guy and the cigar guy.

PINSKY: I was taking him very seriously.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caricatures.

JASON: I like he likes McDonald`s thanks to "Saturday Night Live".

PINSKY: That was Clinton.

JASON: Yes. Clinton. I`m trying to get you to use your brain a little bit. Just guess some stuff.

PINSKY: But have you been...

JASON: I never took them seriously, I never watched it until this one.

PINSKY: Will you watch this one a little bit more carefully?

JASON: I didn`t think - I don`t think that Trump will be president. I see it as, he`s getting that whole party to look a little more interesting

until the smart one rises.

PINSKY: When do you think that`s going to be?

JASON: The one that kept doing that with the...

PINSKY: Let`s get an audience question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I seriously think that Donald Trump is really delusional thinking he can actually win with that old mind-set of like the

1960s. You know, just making fun of women and pretty much blaming Mexicans for the United states` problems. And also, I think it`s the media`s fault

for giving him too much attention, because the media loves the ratings. And seriously, it makes you forget there`s other people running for

president.

WATTS: Do you know, at the end of the day, it`s about the American people. It`s not about what Donald Trump does. He`s doing what he does. It`s,

America, what do we do? How do we cut the wheat from the chafe. How do we choose our next leader. It`s up to us.

JASON: That`s too easy a statement, because what that gentleman said is right. If we`re only putting the loudest voice on the air, all we`re ever

going to hear is the American people is Donald Trump.

WATTS: Well, there are those who wonder if we`ve been fair.

PINSKY: And his voice got on the air because of his poll ratings and his rhetoric.

JASON: That`s right. 34 times.

PINSKY: People are behind it, at last why the story keeps going. Kayleigh, I wanted to give you a last chance, go ahead.

MCENARRY: I just want to respond to what Segun said, one of the problems is Donald Trump can`t resonate with people because he`s a billionaire. By

that logic, Hillary Clinton is very well off, also can`t resonate with the American people and the only person who can, is Marco Rubio, who`s actually

lived paycheck to paycheck.

[21:20:00] SEGUN: Well, Hillary Clinton didn`t start off rich. Let`s back that down.

PINSKY: She didn`t start off poor, either.

SEGUN: Starting off poor and inheriting a real estate fortune from your father is really different. Being a reality TV star and going to an ivy

league school, being the first lady, being a Senator to New York, please don`t ask about her bona fides compared to Donald Trump.

HO: People vote by their feelings, people do not vote on logic. What gets them to the polls is that visual feeling.

SEGUN: Then they deserve what they get. If you want to have a beer with your president, I drink with people who are degenerates and should never

run a country. I want someone smarter than me and better than me and I want to elect a person that I can be proud of. Donald Trump has said

nothing that we can be proud of.

PINSKY: It`s so interesting to hear the same rhetoric that was tossed around about Ronald Reagan. I remember that so avidly, the exact same kind

of thinking was going on. It was like that, an actor, impossible, no way. I remember the day before the election, remember that Dan Rather exchange

with the pollster, he was arguing with the pollster, it`s impossible, what are you telling us? This couldn`t possibly be? That was Ronald Reagan,

impossible for someone like that.

Keep in mind, sometimes people with great judgment and good leadership skills and great intuition or success keeps good people around them. And

that sometimes is more important than anything else.

Next up, Nick Gordon accused of giving Bobbi Kristina, a, quote, toxic cocktail. That and more after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nick Gordon came home from this all-night cocaine and drinking binge and then watched this camera footage of Bobbi Kristina,

where apparently he heard a conversation that she had had with a friend, saying,

Nick Gordon wasn`t the man that she thought he was. And that`s when the lawsuit says that they got into this loud argument. The lawsuit claims

that Gordon Gave Bobbi Kristina this toxic cocktail, rendering her unconscious and then put her face down in a tub of cold water, causing her

to suffer brain damage, got in bed, and laid his head on some female guest`s ankle. Another woman who was in the house, and stated, now I want

a pretty little White girl like you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was Nick Gordon the one who caused this? We`ll try to find out. Did she - I mean, I heard one of our HLN correspondents say, a

beautiful soul. She abused drugs.

PINSKY: Shocking details in this lawsuit filed by the family of Bobbi Kristina Brown, it claims that Nick Gordon, the suit here in my hand, he

physically attacked her, stole her money, and recorded her every move, ultimately contributing or directly causing her death. Back with Judy,

Rolanda, Jason, Segun, joining us now, Areva Martin, attorney and legal analyst and Sunny Hostin, CNN legal analyst.

Nick Gordon`s lawyers call this suit slanderous and it`s a fictitious assault against the person who loved Krissy most. Areva, you buying that?

AREVA MARTIN, LEGAL ANALYST: I`m really shocked by some of the allegations in this lawsuit, things we have not heard before. Details about what

happened that morning. And if they are to be believed, Nick Gordon is in serious trouble and likely will face some kind of criminal prosecution.

PINSKY: Now, this is a civil suit, so it doesn`t have the same standard as a criminal suit. What do you think they`re going to offer as evidence?

They`re just going to - do they have witnesses or some forensic evidence?

MARTIN: From the level of detail, it sounds as if they have witnesses who were in the house at the time all of these incidents occurred. There may

be surveillance tape. There may have been a private investigator hired by the family. And although the legal standard is different, lawyers still

have an obligation to make sure that when they file a lawsuit, like the one in your hands, that there`s some substantial evidence to support their

allegations, which means they can`t just make baseless allegations in a lawsuit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Georgia`s very tough with that.

PINSKY: So they must have some...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are they going to get out of this kid?

MARTIN: They`re going to get a lot, Dr. Drew. As a lawyer, we often file lawsuits for multiple purposes. And even individuals who are judgment

proof. Individuals who don`t have a lot of money, like presumably Nick Gordon doesn`t, the lawsuit serves many purposes. It can complicate his

life, have him tied up in court for many years, make any money he earns in the future very difficult for him to access, and provide information to the

district attorney that may be looking at filing some kind of criminal action against Nick Gordon.

PINSKY: Sunny, I want to get you into this conversation. Do you agree with what Areva is saying there?

SUNNY HOSTIN, LEGAL ANALYST: I really do. What was shocking to me when I first saw this was the level of detail that was, you know, outlined in this

lawsuit. And attorneys definitely have - have to have some sort of evidence in order to meet this kind of burden.

PINSKY: I mean, presumably, Sunny, presumably they`ll have the woman whose foot he laid on and made that comment, presumably they`ll have people who

saw the tooth knocked out or saw the violence before. They`ll have to have that kind of evidence in order to make this thing stick at all.

HOSTIN: Well, that`s true, but they have to have more. The allegations that he went into the bathroom and put her face down into the tub. Someone

that witnessed that, would have witnessed a murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly.

HOSTIN: So I`m very, very shocked at the level of detail, Dr. Drew. You know from the very beginning, this family has indicated that they thought

that Nick Gordon was responsible for her injuries. That when she arrived at the hospital, she had missing teeth. When she arrived at the hospital,

she had bruises consistent with a struggle. They told me that in the beginning of January, but this detail is very new. I`ve reached out to the

family and they haven`t responded and haven`t indicated how they got this level of detail, but my goodness, they must have something in order to have

brought this kind of suit with this kind of detail.

PINSKY: Jason, you look concerned.

JASON: Witnessing you put a girl face down in water and then you don`t lift her face out of the water? Don`t you go to jail for murder as well.

PINSKY: Accessory, yes.

JASON: I don`t understand how that works.

[21:30:00] PINSKY: And she had a history of falling - allegedly, a history of falling asleep in the bathtub after taking pills. So this is not the

first time this has happened. So you would think that someone may have committed something by not helping her if they knew she took a toxic

cocktail.

WATTS: There were details down to, what surprised me, a dustpan found in the bathtub. So who`s looking at all of this, who didn`t stop what was

life threatening for someone?

MARTIN: Something to note, Dr. Drew, is that this lawsuit has been amended. So these weren`t the original allegations. And the first lawsuit

that was filed, that primarily talked about domestic violence, it talked about Nick Gordon...

PINSKY: I thought we had covered this before. I remember this all sounded very familiar. And I read this, and I thought, Why isn`t this murder?

MARTIN: This is an amended lawsuit with new allegations. And the murder allegations weren`t in that first lawsuit. So we`re hearing these

allegations about her head being held in the tub, for the first time in this new suit.

PINSKY: Yes, Ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I completely agree with Areva here. The previous allegations that were mentioned are, they`re physical. And also, not to

mention, he - it`s apparent that he clearly did not love her. He, like, he aligned cameras in her house, you know, he pushed her against the sofa, all

of this is in the suit that you are holding.

PINSKY: You`re right. And Judy, what was detailed in this suit is what we`re called interpersonal terrorism. It`s what Jodi Arias did to her

boyfriend - I`m blanking on his name. But it`s controlling to the point of being a terrorist.

MARTIN: That`s right. And these types of things don`t happen overnight, either.

HO: We`ve got to be very clear that these are allegations.

HOSTIN: Yes.

PINSKY: These are allegations.

HO: Right.

HOSTIN: I don`t know that this happened, but these are allegations.

WATTS: And even if you have a history of beating somebody and knocking a tooth out, does that mean that you also killed them? They`re going to have

to prove that that was what happened.

HO: These type of things don`t happen overnight. This type of interpersonal terrorism develops over time. And that`s what happens, it`s

a foot in the door issue, it`s little bit by little bit, she`s letting him take over, and before you know it, the cameras are set up to surveil her.

But most of these cases, Dr. Drew, can actually go, if there`s a strong he said/she said, too, a lot of that is just based on testimony. If they have

credible witnesses that say, we saw person pieces of information, they could have put together the rest.

WATTS: But when you talk about a he said/she said, keep in mind that Bobbi Kristina is dead, so we`re never going to hear from her what happened. The

lawyer could only have these allegations, can only make them because someone has communicated them to the attorney. The attorney wasn`t there.

The attorney`s not an eyewitness. So someone in that house or some piece of very, very substantial evidence had to be made available to that lawyer

to make those specific allegations. She couldn`t just make this up out of whole cloth.

PINSKY: And I want to focus in. I received a tweet. If you would put that tweet back up, that focuses in on something Segun has been saying

about the people around Bobbi Kristina. Bonny tweeted, if the lifestyle this poor girl was raised in, abuse and drugs is all she knew, Nick was a

junkie, but you can`t tell me she wasn`t using too. That`s laying the blame on the victim, but your point as always been, there`s a lot going on

around her.

SEGUN: The whole situation from jump is very, very ugly. Like Jason said, how can you get that kind of detailed information saying, you saw a murder

happen, and all you`re doing now is reporting months after the fact when she was lying in the vegetative state.

JASON: And saying how he`s going to go out with a white girl moments after - who`s in that room? They all need to be charged the exact same amount as

him. Who`s that disgusting and lets him say that, if it allegedly did happen. How you still in the room? How are you not 911 now and saying, he

just said that. There`s none of that. He allegedly bragged about dating a white girl after he murdered his wife. This is insanity.

PINSKY: Insanity. We`ll continue this conversation. Later, a little girl behind the wheel not only drives a car but then parks it. A tiny little

girl, allegedly can`t even talk. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nick Gordon, who had been living with Bobbi Kristina, took part in this violent attack on her, claiming that he made her this

toxic cocktail that caused her to sustain profound brain injury.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nick Gordon, he has a lot of explaining to do.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This family has been clear from the very beginning that they suspected foul play.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The defendant lunged on to Bobbi Kristina, while she sat on the living room couch, sitting her so hard in the face, that the

couch actually broke, knocking her to the floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who`s to blame for what happened, for losing such a beautiful soul? And I think all eyes are on Nick Gordon.

PINSKY: On Facebook, a friend posted a tribute to Bobbi Kristina after her death. Nick Gordon then commented on the post saying, we will have our own

service remembering and honoring Krissi. Only the real family that actually was there for her will attend. Back to Judy, Rolanda, Jason,

Areva and Segun. I don`t know what he`s talking about. We saw him in that "Dr. Phil" episode. He`s a not well kid.

SEGUN: He`s a nutbag, but that statement he made was interesting. The real family that was there for her. I`ve been saying on the show for the

longest time, that her blood family that allowed her to fall victim to this maniacal craziness, where were they? Where was his dad? Everyone want to

say, oh, he suffered. You lost your daughter and wife in almost the same way and you`re out performing. There`s a sickness in this family.

MARTIN: Wait a minute, he`s out working. It`s not like he was out at a club having a party or something. The guy`s an entertainer, so he has to

work. But I agree there`s a lack of accountability.

SEGUN: What does bobby brown need to work for hmm he doesn`t entertain anymore.

MARTIN: He has to do what he can do to make whatever money he can make. He has to support his family and he has a new baby. I want to call out the

lawyers in this case. . .

PINSKY: I love that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you for that one.

[21:40:00] MARTIN: You know, just as upset as you are about the family, I want to know where were the attorneys? This is a family that has access to

the highest paid legal counsel, bar none, in the country. And we`re hearing about all of these horrific allegations after this young lady is

dead. And what is the district attorney in this county doing? If the civil lawyer has information about head down in the tub, what is the dachlt

doing with this information, if it`s real information? I want to see something happen, I think we all do, with respect to anything that was

involved in that.

HO: And you know, this is an issue, because they took so long to get to this phase, they`re just starting that beginning part of the grieving

process where they`re getting angry and they`re starting to trying to explain why this happened to her. For the last several months, they were

preoccupied with hoping to bring her back, right? This was part of issue. They were not at this phase. Now they`re trying to figure it out. And

this is why everything`s coming in so late. But my concern, of course, is later on...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No...

HO: But that`s the grieving process. That`s - they haven`t started.

WATTS: She has a separate lawyer that`s been appointed to her to represent her interests in the court. That lawyer is an objective person, a

professional. You can`t look the lawyer in the same category with the family that`s grieving. That lawyer has an obligation to support and

represent Bobbi Kristina.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the attorney...

MARTIN: What has the legal system been doing to protect this young lady and now to fight for her, given these horrific allegations.

HO: But if the family is not providing the information because they have other priorities, maybe that`s the...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But who`s going...

MARTIN: Well, you`ve got to give a pass to - if someone killed your daughter, I don`t care what kind to have grief you`re in, you`ll want that

person brought to justice and brought to justice immediately.

HO: But if the family is not cooperating and giving information, where will they get those interviews from? Where will they get the testimonies?

Where will they get those depositions?

WATTS: And you also had the medical examiner who didn`t find anything shaky or suspicious with this.

PINSKY: But that was so far later, after the fact.

SEGUN: The grieving process, could all of this be retaliatory. Could they be filing a lawsuit because they feel guilty because they let their

daughter die. Because they let their family member fall broke. Because $10 million to a guy who is broke. It seems they`re trying to squeeze

blood out of a stone because they feel culpable and guilty for letting this girl die on their watch.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t think Nick Gordon had anything to do with this, because today is actually the fourth anniversary of the day my mom

passed away, and I know the emotions and everything that I went through. I would have drowned myself in a tub or I wanted to jump out of a window. I

went there so much that I know that she probably felt the same way after losing her mom. I was an only child too, and that bond that they had, that

I don`t think Nick Gordon had anything to do with how she felt.

PINSKY: So your point is that she was already unraveling and that was more to do with her drug and alcohol history and her recent grieving of her

mom`s loss.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. Coupled with her already having a drug and alcohol problem and that strong bond she had with her mom, those two things

coming together, I don`t think there was any other way that this could have ended.

PINSKY: Oh, my goodness, that`s a powerful statement.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

PINSKY: And we`re all sorry for that, my dear. I`m glad you`re here and seem well. I wonder if there`s anyone else, though, that should have been

held, at least with their hand to the fire a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her father.

PINSKY: For not having stepped in on her addictive disease. That`s what killed her...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can you be an addict and save somebody from addiction.

PINSKY: I`ve seen it, by the way. But sometimes addicts defer their own issues and focus on somebody else. That happens. You`re not going to do

an effective job, but at least you can address it.

HO: Yes, absolutely. Sometimes addicts...

PINSKY: And he might...

HO: That`s true, too. And I don`t think it`s solely his job. There`s obviously other people in his life as well, who - and again, sometimes this

happens with celebrities. People are maybe afraid to step in, they don`t want to get pushed away if they say something that Bobbi Kristina doesn`t

like. So I don`t know wind of people were around her on a daily basis aside from Nick.

PINSKY: Give you another tweet. We`ll point the finger at nick a little bit. Quote, it looks really suspicious that he was present for both

Whitney`s death and Bobbi Kristina`s.

HO: Why was that suspicious?

PINSKY: Rolanda, the whole situation was a mess.

WATTS: A hot mess. It`s been a mess for a while. And I think what all families go through, there`s that arc of mourning. And there`s a lot of

anger. And I think what we`re seeing more is the disarray within this family. And whether it`s holding a responsibility or blaming somebody for

not having a responsibility, there is some serious dysfunction, just within the family itself. And then you add this, it`s already just a horrible

situation.

PINSKY: And what is the famous quote, something that healthy families are healthy in one way - I`m paraphrasing, but unhealthy families have a myriad

ways of presenting. And when I see this whole story, I just see the story of addiction grit large and a reminder that it`s a potentially deadly

process. This doesn`t have to happen. So much of what we reported here is disorder - is behavior and horrible outcomes that needn`t have happened.

And this is just another one of those.

Coming up, this girl needs a pacifier, but she still is driving a car. Not because she`s an adult using a pacifier. Apparently, she can barely use

language, but she can drive a car. You will see that after this.

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PINSKY: Time for quick fix, when my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram feeds. Judy, you are number one.

HO: This is another naked story. Because you like those, apparently.

PINSKY: I do or you do? You`re the one who reports them.

[21:50:00] HO: This is a video of a naked man running down a busy Ohio interstate. And it`s gone viral already with 48,000 views. This man is 44

years old, he`s suspected of causing a seven-car accident that sent six people to the hospital.

PINSKY: Oh, my God.

HO: I know. Eyewitness say he fled from the crash site, naked, as police chased him...

PINSKY: Was in one of the vehicles and jumped out naked?

HO: Yes. He said that his brakes gave out, so he had to get out real quick, and since he wasn`t wearing clothes, he didn`t have time to put on

clothes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And his air-conditioning cut out as well.

HO: He`s pleading not guilty to all charges, because he was trying to save his own life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judge says he has a history of drug abuse and burglary. This is a guy who has a record.

PINSKY: I just see stimulants when I see that.

JASON: I just wish you were naked more often, Drew.

PINSKY: Thank you, Jason.

JASON: I know we have a thing, secretly, not on television.

PINSKY: I know.

JASON: I just wish we could - consummate here on television? Just pull off the freeway and just rise, you know, get naked.

PINSKY: Jason, do you have a quick fix.

JASON: I`ve got tons of them. I`ve got one. This is actually a friend of mine, Steve-O, yes, we`re friends. We`re like this.

PINSKY: Yes.

JASON: But I don`t really wish to see him naked, because I`ve seen it too many times, but Steve-O is not a fan of SeaWorld...

PINSKY: It freaked me out a little bit what he was doing. He`s up on this crane.

JASON: 100 feet on a crane with an inflatable...

PINSKY: Killer whale.

JASON: It`s called shamus. One of those inflatable...

PINSKY: SeaWorld killer whale on his back. Look how -- I can`t...

JASON: I think the thing anyone has a beef, the 85 firefighters and 30 police officers that responded because of him trying to get this message

across.

PINSKY: But how did anybody see him up there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because he lit fireworks off the top of it.

JASON: Well, there`s that. He thought about it. He`s really good - I mentioned it on my show today, and someone said, what about all the police

and fire - the fire brigade being there. I`m like, what about police escorting the Kardashians somewhere. I wish they were fighting crime

instead of following them around all day. At least this one was for a good cause.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s true.

PINSKY: Steve-O has been unyielding on his SeaWorld message.

JASON: I love it. SeaWorld is - not the devil, but it`s a very evil organization, if anybody`s seen the documentary "Blackfish." We all know,

it`s been proven that dolphins have the intelligence of a 5-year-old. You watch that documentary, you will not go to SeaWorld ever again. I

recommend to everyone, do not go. Go Steve-O.

WATTS: And it`s so popular right now.

PINSKY: Those are Jason`s feelings, not HLN at large, necessarily. But Rolanda?

WATTS: This was - I don`t know if you`ve been watching your television or social media, but this has been a big story today. Out of Taiwan, it`s

actually gone viral, too.

PINSKY: Just leaning over and - looking good.

WATTS: This is really pretty terrifying, if you look at - keep an eye on that minivan. All of a sudden it just disappears - it`s a tornado and it`s

spawned by some typhoon that was happening in that area of Taiwan. And just tossed that van like a toy and it disappears. We don`t know what

happened to the people in that van, but if you look on the right there, a woman, I don`t know how she survives this, is found crouched like in a

fetal position to your right there. How she survived that. This car was reportedly thrown some 200 yards and the lady there was believed to have

been a pedestrian.

PINSKY: There`s two of them going on.

WATTS: Yes. It`s like the old thing from the Wizard of Oz.

PINSKY: In cyclones and typhoons, a lot of the damage is caused by localized tornadoes that`s caused.

JASON: You got to stay relaxed, Drew. Either that or get drunk really quickly.

PINSKY: Next up, a girl with a pacifier cannot talk, but she can drive a vehicle. Back after this.

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PINSKY: Chinese authorities are investigating this shocking video I kept talking about here. It`s a young girl who appears to be driving on a busy

four-lane street. Look at this. She`s just driving the car. Her mother, apparently, recording from the passenger seat. Her father is coaching her

from the backseat. She can clearly barely see over the steering wheel and she can be heard babbling as though - you know, she can barely command

language. Hear her? Not old enough to speak, needing pedal extenders. Listen to this. It`s unbelievable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s an excellent driver, Drew. Look at her moving around that car.

PINSKY: I guess driving`s easier than we think, or maybe this is some kind of joke.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This could be one of - remember that girl that had three boobs?

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a fake.

PINSKY: She didn`t have three boobs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You think it`s fake.

PINSKY: It first surfaced on China`s version of Twitter. It could be.

JASON: I want to work for uber, I don`t want to drive to work anymore.

PINSKY: Have a 3-year-old pick you up.

JASON: Like, it`s a 3-year-old. Give her a break.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The cop comes out and starts hassling her.

JASON: Yes, she doesn`t have to pay a ticket. She can`t sign her own name.

PINSKY: Reminder, check us out on Snapchat and our after show on Facebook. Also DVR us so you can watch us anytime. Thank you, panel, thank you,

audience, and thank you for watching. We`ll see you next time.

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