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[19:00:08] KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT tonight, Donald Trump demanding an apology, even though his opponents say, he is the one who should say he is sorry. Well, now Hillary Clinton is piling on against Trump. So, has he finally gone too far?

Plus, the Trump campaign as a crossroads tonight. Another top adviser out. Is the campaign unraveling?

And breaking news, protesters on the street in Ferguson, Missouri. A state of emergency there following a night of violent clashes on the streets. Can the police keep the peace tonight, one year after Michael Brown was shot and killed? Let's go OUTFRONT.

Good evening, everyone. I'm Kate Bolduan in for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, we are following breaking news. Moments ago, protesters are blocking a major highway, interstate 70, just outside Ferguson, Missouri. We're monitoring that and protests in the city where authorities have now declared a state of emergency one day after a young man was critically wounded in a shootout with police. We will going to have much more on that in just a few moments.

But first, Donald Trump demanding an apology. The republican candidate insisting he did nothing wrong and saying FOX News host Megyn Kelly is the one who needs to say she's sorry. Trump's claims his blood remark which is drawing fire from people on both sides of the aisle, he says it was completely misunderstood. Tonight, Hillary Clinton became the latest presidential candidate to weigh in. Listen.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think the guy went way overboard, offensive, outrageous -- pick your adjective.


BOLDUAN: Offensive and outrageous she says. So, here is the interview with CNN that sparked this latest controversy for Trump.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. And, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.


BOLDUAN: Sara Murray is OUTFRONT tonight. So, Sara, this started last Thursday and it's only gaining steam. What is going on?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, as you might imagine from Donald Trump by now, he is in no mood to apologize. In fact, doubling down on his attacks. Now some are wondering whether his comments about women could be harmful to the GOP. Let's take a look.


TRUMP: I don't frankly have time for total political correctness.

MURRAY (voice-over): Donald Trump remaining defiant, now demanding an apology from FOX News anchor Megyn Kelly.

TRUMP: The fact is she asked me very inappropriate questions. She should really be apologizing to me, you want to know the truth.

MURRAY: An apology for a question during the first republican debate that he thought was unfair. So unfair that he described Kelly this way.

TRUMP: You see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.

MURRAY: Clearly the blunt GOP frontrunner is showing no sign of moderating his tone despite the Republican Party's push to court women and Hispanic voters, votes crucial to winning the White House in 2016. According to the Pew Research Center, women have favored democratic candidates since the 1980s. Democrats also fared better with Hispanic voters. In the 2012 presidential election, republican nominee Mitt Romney won just 27 percent of the Hispanic vote. Some of the Trump's rivals worry the frontrunner is already undermining that effort.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If I was a young woman or Hispanic watching this debate, I think I would have been pretty turned off by Mr. Trump and the question is, does it bleed over to all of us?

MURRAY: More of Trump's opponents piling on.

GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: For a lot of us, it's like watching a car accident instead of focusing on the direction we should be headed. It's a side show out there.

MURRAY: Carly Fiorina the lone female GOP candidate in the race told CNN there was no misinterpreting Trump's comment.

CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The point is, women understood that comment. And yes, it is offensive.

MURRAY: In true Trump fashion, the mogul took to Twitter to respond. "I just realized that if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than ten minutes straight, you develop a massive headache. She has zero chance. Trump now trying to change the conversation. On the attack again, this time against his top rival in the GOP field. Jeb Bush.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: My brother did this wrong. My dad did this wrong.


MURRAY: Now, the latest chapter in the Donald Trump saga today was a report that said he would pledge not to run as a third party independent candidate, something the GOP has been worried about. When I talked to his spokeswoman Hope Hicks earlier, she said there is no truth to this report. Back to you, Kate.

BOLDUAN: Folks will continue asking him about that at every turn. Sara, thank you so much.

I want to show you right now -- we're going to show you some live pictures of Hillary Clinton speaking right now in Manchester, New Hampshire.

CNN's senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny is OUTFRONT covering this angle of tonight's big story. So, Jeff, Jeb Bush said earlier that Clinton is in his words giddy with excitement when Donald Trump makes all of these comments over and over again. But she's not just hitting Trump tonight, is she?

[19:05:27] JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: You are right, Kate. I mean, she could have stopped at Donald Trump. But she definitely did not. She painted all republican candidates as being out of touch, out of date. She zeroed in on a lot of comments that were made at last week's republican debate. Of course at the time she said she wasn't watching it. But Kate her campaign certainly was because she referred back to those comments specifically the abortion comments that Marco Rubio and others made, trying to paint all these republican rivals with the same broad brush as Trump. Let's take a listen.


CLINTON: What a lot of the men on that stage and that debate said was offensive. And I want people to understand, if you just focus on maybe the biggest showman on the stage, you lose the thread here. The thread is that the Republicans are putting forth some very radical and offensive positions when it comes to women's lives, women's reproductive health, women's employment.


ZELENY: Now, it's important to note Kate that Hillary Clinton did not make this as part of her speech today initially. She actually came to New Hampshire to talk about student loans and student college affordability. But she took questions from reporters. Of course she knew they would be about Donald Trump. And she talked about it in great details, the most comments we heard her talk about Donald Trump yet so far in this campaign. BOLDUAN: Yes. And she sure seems ready for it at this time. That's

for sure. So, Jeff, Clinton and Trump, they have known each other for years as folks love to point out. And hold against both of them, I guess. Today, Clinton was actually asked about the relationship. How did she address it? What did she say?

ZELENY: I mean, the fact of the matter is, Hillary Clinton and of course her husband Bill Clinton, they have a much stronger relationship or a longer relationship as well with Donald Trump as most of those republicans rivals. Some reporters asked her, you know, you actually attended his wedding. What do you make of all this going on? And she said, look, he is having the time of his life on this stage right now. He is finding this all very entertaining. As for why she attended his third wedding in Florida, she said, look, we were going to be in Florida and we thought it would be a fun time. We thought it would be entertaining. But she said Kate, this presidential campaign with him in it is much less entertaining.

BOLDUAN: Guess it depends on who you talk to. Right? Jeff, great to see you. Thank you so much.

ZELENY: That's right. She seems to be having a good time with it though.

BOLDUAN: That's exactly right. Very good point.

OUTFRONT with us now, CNN political commentator Ana Navarro, she is a Jeb Bush supporter. Co-chair, also joining us is the co-chair of Women's for Trump Coalition in New Hampshire, Paula Johnson and senior political columnist for the National Journal Ron Fournier. It's great to see all of you.

So, Ana, you heard Jeff talking about it right there, Hilary Clinton is slamming Trump. Kind of the first time she's really gotten out there to slam him in this way. But in the next breath, she's trying immediately to lump him in with the rest of the republican field saying that they're all anti-women. He is not alone in this. So, with that, do you think Trump is actually causing lasting damage to the Republican Party in this race?

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first of all, I don't think Hillary Clinton is slamming him that hard given the things she said about some of the others. And I think part of it is because I imagine Donald Trump may have her cell phone number or Bill Clinton's cell phone number. And God knows he will release it or, you know, or some --

BOLDUAN: Do you she's scared of him?

NAVARRO: -- exchange of letters or thank you notes. Oh, wouldn't you be? Have you've ever be on the phone with the guy? Your phone or your e-mail exchanges or any other thing. I would, yes. Look, I think she has -- I think she's vulnerable when it comes to Trump. He has given to her husband's foundation, to her family's foundation in six figures. He has donated, maxed out to her on several occasions. So, yes, I think she's got Trump vulnerabilities, which is why she pivots to the other candidates very quickly. Do I think this is lasting damage to the Republican Party? It's cringe worthy. It's happening that we are having these discussions on TV instead of focusing on Hillary Clinton, instead of focusing on the 28,000 people that went to see Bernie Sanders in, you know, Oregon yesterday. Yes, it is causing damage on that front. Is it causing damage with women? Some. It's undeniable.


NAVARRO: Because he has 22 percent, 23 percent of the support. But if he is not the nominee, can there be a nominee that turns it around? I believe so. And I hope that that's the case.

BOLDUAN: Well, on the issue of support, Ron, I mean, you have a great take on this right now. You have been very outspoken and critical of Trump. And you also have gotten a lot of feedback that you put out there from his supporters. Your latest piece you titled, "Trump is a Buffoon, His Backers are Not." They are really thinking their support through. What is the disconnect then in your mind here between Trump supporters and Republican Party leaders?

[19:10:18] RON FOURNIER, SENIOR POLITICAL COLUMNIST, NATIONAL JOURNAL: Well, yes. The disconnect here is between most Americans and the political system. We have a majority of Americans right now who feel like the system neglects them, doesn't care about them, politicians are cynical and only care about themselves. There's institutional corruption that's rampant in both parties. So, what's happening here is Trump is kind of right now at least for some members of the Republican Party a vessel for that anger. Just like Bernie Sanders on the other side is right now a vessel for that anger. I personally can give you a lot of reasons and in my columns in writing directly to the Trump supporters to try to explain why I don't think he is a good vessel, why I think he would be a bad president.

But I know this, whether I'm right or wrong, whether Trump gets out tomorrow or gets out, you know, after a second term, this anger is going to far outlast Donald Trump until we really change the system and the way that people have been promised it would be changed. This anger and demand for something better is going to be constantly looking for a vessel, even somebody as imperfect as Donald Trump. And boy, is he an imperfect vessel.

BOLDUAN: And Paula, you are one of those supporters that we're talking about here. I have to tell you, I spoke with a woman -- you probably very well know her name living in New Hampshire, Renee Plummer. She's an influential republican activist in New Hampshire. I spoke with her today. She was deeply --


BOLDUAN: Okay. You may not know her. She is well-known in New Hampshire. People say, to win New Hampshire, you need to win over Renee Plummer is kind of one of adages here quite often. So, she was deeply offended by Trump's comments about Megyn Kelly. And she says that now he needs to get out of the race because of it. Why? Talk to us as a supporter. Why are you still supporting -- when you hear something like that from her?

JOHNSON: Well, first of all, I don't know her. And I will tell you my circle of friends, people will say, if you don't win over Paula Johnson, you're not going to make it in the southern end of the state. You know, I wasn't offended at all. I saw when he came on to that stage, they all had already railroaded him. They came up with the questions I truly believe is the establishment they don't want him in there. Because he is resonating out against America. Because yes, we are all fed up with the two party system. We're fed up with the same old candidates. Look, I feel -- I don't need another Bush and I don't need another Clinton in the White House. I'm offended by Hillary Clinton.

I don't see what she's ever done for me or for anybody else. She does not know what it's like to be in the trenches of the middle class person. But yet, I see Mr. Trump who has created jobs. He is a businessman. He knows how to run a business. And if he wasn't successful, he won't be where he is right now in business. And I look at somebody like this who brought up to the American people about the illegal situation in this country. And I have been squawking about that for years. Look at what happened in Santa Monica, California. And the woman was beaten and raped by two illegals, sanctuary cities. And nobody ever, not anybody, the entrenched Washington elite would talk about this until Mr. Trump. And now all of a sudden, everybody is saying, we have to get rid of these sanctuary cities. We have to get rid of the illegals. We have to deport them. But where were you? Where have you all been in Washington?

BOLDUAN: Let me ask you a question on the past forward for Mr. Trump. A lot of folks are very concerned of the Republican Party about the fact that he hasn't said that he will not run as a third party candidate. Do you think he should make a pledge that he will not run as a third party candidate as a republican? Do you care?

JOHNSON: Well, let me ask you a question. Look at the democratic side. You have Bernie Sanders going against Hillary Clinton. Does anybody asking Bernie Sanders, are you going to pledge not to run against Hillary Clinton as a third party?

BOLDUAN: He hasn't floated it. Donald Trump is the one that's floated it. That's why I'm asking you.

JOHNSON: But you know, you know, I guess there's this double standard in this country, too. I mean, if he ran as a third party candidate, I would support Mr. Trump. Because I think he's the only one who is going to give back America the way America needs to be. We need to make America great again. And I believe he's the only one.

BOLDUAN: Quick final though, Ron.

FOURNIER: Well, Paula is making the point of the question you asked me.

BOLDUAN: Exactly.

FOURNIER: The Republican Party has created her anger. The Republican Party has created Donald Trump. And you know, the sad thing now for the Republican Party is people like Paula aren't going to listen to the establishment. The mere fact, they're not going to listen to people like me either. Because my institution, the political institution have let people like her down and have created a monster like Donald Trump.

BOLDUAN: Fascinating conversation. It's great to have you all here.

JOHNSON: Well, I don't think he's a monster.

FOURNIER: I think politically he's a monster, not personally.

BOLDUAN: You definitely are not going to agree on that point.

JOHNSON: Well, you know, not even politically. I'll tell you. Not even politically, he is saying stuff that everybody needs to hear already.

BOLDUAN: Paula, great to meet you. Thank you so much. Ana, Ron, thank you as always. Thanks so much.

And to remind all of you, Donald Trump, you can hear from him yet again. He will be our guest on "NEW DAY" tomorrow, that's 7:00 a.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

[19:15:16] OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump trying to move from the sound bite of the day to serious presidential campaign. Will his policies back up his promises? We take a look.

Plus, officials are declaring State of Emergency in Ferguson one day after a young black man and police traded gunfire. We're live on the street.

And surveillance video of the moments before a white officer shot and killed this unarmed black teenager in a Texas car dealership. Did police have to use deadly force here?


[19:18:40] BOLDUAN: Tonight, the Trump campaign is at a crossroads. Another top adviser out. Roger Stone says he quit. But Trump says his longtime aide advisor says, he was fired. This controversy just the latest step shakeup to plague Trump's presidential campaign. Does he have the kind of politically experienced staff that he's going to need now to win the race for the White House?

David Chalian, the CNN's political director, he's joining me now. So, David, with this news, where does the campaign go from here?

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Well, I think you labeled it perfectly, Kate. It is a bit of a crossroads. Because now the Donald Trump campaign needs to figure out if it's going to move forward as a professional presidential campaign or if they're going to continue what many people in politics called living off the lamb and just sort of the free media buzz and doing well in the polls and interview after interview. Or, are we going to see a real investment of money and time into sort of the practical things any presidential campaign needs to do? Donald Trump as you know has not been polling. Is he going to put his money into that?

He says, he is willing to spend what it takes. These are the kinds of things that serious presidential campaigns do. So, put some money into polling, testing some messages, are we going to see a big media buying? Now, he obviously doesn't need to be on TV right now. He's well known. He has got name I.D. He is doing well in the polls. But is he willing to back-up and amplify that message with television advertising in these key early states? Also, speaking of folks in the campaign, they are out there now Kate recruiting in the early state some staffers, trying to get a more professional operation in there.

The campaign is headed up by somebody who has worked in New Hampshire and knows that state really well. He has a very experienced hand running the operation in Iowa. Now the idea is to grow beyond the sort of folks at the top and build it with volunteers and staffers, paid political professionals who can actually find the votes and start building an operation as you know, this is a game about collecting delegates.


CHALIAN: Winning elections and collecting delegates on the way to the convention. Right now, they haven't done that kind of work. And that's a big open question going forward.

BOLDUAN: Yes. That infrastructure. That operation, you don't necessarily see it outwardly with the candidates all the time. It's so key obviously to anyone success in the race for the White House. Thank you so much, David. Great to see you.


BOLDUAN: Let's continue this conversation though. OUTFRONT next, Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News and Dan Pfeiffer, a CNN political commentator and senior former advisor to President Obama.

So, Dan, Trump's top advisor we're talking about. Roger Stone, he is out. He was either fired or quit, depending on who you talk to. So, with the campaign as a crossroads, what is the impact of losing a key guy like this?

DAN PFEIFFER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I don't think we know. I think the question will be right now Trump as you say is at a crossroads. Is he going to start putting together the machinery you need to turn his momentum and his support in actual votes? I think if you are -- it says something positive that he got rid of some advisers who had made controversial inflammatory statements. That would be the distract from the campaign. And if it is true and I have no idea who to believe between Donald Trump and Roger Stone. But if it's true that Donald Trump believe that Roger Stone was more focus on himself from the campaign that he made the right decision. Well, we will see whether Trump is going to do what it takes to actually win or just continue on his narcissistic fantasy ride he has been on. BOLDUAN: That's the way you would describe it. And that's for sure.

So, Alex, let me ask you this. Another thing a lot of folks are saying is where the policy talk? Where's the policy talk? He criticized FOX for not asking him a policy question during the debate. But then here is what Trump said when asked about equal pay, just today.


[19:22:12] TRUMP: I don't want to discuss it. I want to discuss those questions at a debate and I'll save them for the debate. But all I can say is on women's issues and women's health issues, there will be nobody better than Donald Trump. But I will be coming out with some policy on that and I will be making in the future. I just don't want to discuss it now.

BOLDUAN: He wants to be asked policy questions but he doesn't want to talk about it when he is asked at least in interviews right now. Is he trying to have it both ways on this big important issue?

ALEX MARLOW, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, BREITBART NEWS: Yes. For the time being, it looks like he is. It's a great poll. I would listen to that live and I was very curious why he didn't give any answer there.


MARLOW: But that's going to be the next stage for Donald Trump. First of all, it sounds like he is going to be doing his victory lap tomorrow. He will be on CNN in the morning and then back on FOX. Because it looks like the polls are in his favor. And then after that, he's going to have to build that ground game, build that consulting team and get in the bunker and learn out his policy positions. So, the next time the debate happens next month, he is ready to go with the series of answers and so he doesn't back down.

BOLDUAN: Well, Dan, you know campaigns very well from the inside out. I mean, you were a big part of President Obama's two successful presidential campaign runs. I mean, Trump isn't talking policy now. But folks point out that they are also not necessarily hearing a ton of policy specifics from other candidates either. How long can this fly?

PFEIFFER: For a while at least. Because none of the republican candidates have really have a lot of the ground to criticize Trump. Because as you point out, you are not hearing a lot of specific policy from Bush or Walker or Rubio. You are hearing a lot on the democratic side from Hillary Clinton today on student loan but very little on the republican side.

BOLDUAN: You are hearing, I mean, look, Bush says he is about to come out with big foreign policies. You are hearing some. But by and large, that's what primaries are. There's not a ton of difference between the candidates. That's the big challenge of a --

PFEIFFER: Right. But they have to make a case for why they should be elected and why Trump over Bush or Bush over Trump or whatever. BOLDUAN: Uh-mm.

PFEIFFER: And you do that for your policy positions. There won't be a huge difference but that difference will matter a lot. So, eventually we've have to lay it out. I think Trump needs to be ready with some specific policy answers by the next debate. But in the interim, I think he is doing fine because his opponents aren't being much more specific than he is.

BOLDUAN: It is still early. We have to keep saying it even though we cover it so much. Isn't that right? Alex, I have to ask you one thing on a bit of a related topic. BuzzFeed has published a report. And it says that Trump has given money, they have sources that says, Trump has given money to your news organization Breitbart News in exchange the reporting says for favorable coverage. It says that they cited top Breitbart management that they were allowing Trump to turn it into as they put it in this piece his own fan website. Is there any truth to that? I want to give you the chance to discuss.

MARLOW: You know, as it turns out, BuzzFeed serious political reporting isn't any more credible than their listicles about fast food items that are no longer on menus. It's totally bogus. We said so in the statement that we gave to BuzzFeed before they ran it, they put out the story anyway. This reporter has had it out for Breitbart, and oh by the way, the website Mediate said that this was like the Rolling Stone bogus rape story. This reporter tried to take us down with a piece in 2012. He said we're not going to be around much longer. We are ten times bigger than when he wrote that piece. He tried to take out Trump in 2014. Trump is a GOP frontrunner now. In the meantime, Gawker has accused BuzzFeed and pay for play themselves. They have their plagiarism scandal. It's a look -- it's not a serious article.

BOLDUAN: No, we should just say for our viewers, we did get another statement from BuzzFeed tonight from the political editor who says, we stand by the reporting. But that's why we have you on Alex, we can talk about everything together. Thanks so much. Great to see you, Alex. Great to see you, Dan. Thanks, guys.

OUTFRONT next, a State of Emergency in Ferguson. Police there on guard tonight against possible violence in the wake of last night's shootout between a young black man and police there. We're live in Ferguson.

And in Texas, an unarmed black teenager shot and killed by a white police officer in training, was deadly force necessary?


[19:30:06] KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news: Officials declare a state of emergency tonight in Ferguson, Missouri. This follows new violence and new protests one year after the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager shot by a white police officer.

Just moments ago, demonstrators shut down traffic on a busy interstate outside of Ferguson. Standing shoulder to shoulder, they were holding signs that read, "Ferguson is everywhere." Police eventually moved in and arrested a number of people. This is on top of the 56 who were already taken into custody earlier today at other demonstrations.

There is also a heavy police presence in the area after multiple shootings last night, including a gunman who police say opened fire sending peaceful protesters running for cover.

Ryan Young is in Ferguson.


RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Gunfire and blood on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, exactly one year after the death of Michael Brown. Just after 11:00 Sunday night, the interim Police Chief Andre Anderson was in the middle of an interview.


REPORTER: Message to those who are looting?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down. Gunfire.


YOUNG: Plainclothes detectives tracked the alleged shooter. The hood and windshield of their van peppered with bullets. Eventually, they cornered Tyrone Harris, describe as a close friend of Brown, behind a building.

CHIEF JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: There were four officers who were in that van, all four fired to the suspect, and suspect fell there.

YOUNG: A bystander captured this dramatic video.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, get him help, man. Please get him some help.

YOUNG: Harris told CNN he wasn't carrying a gun and was running from the gunfire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is still alive. Get him some help now. Get him some help now.

YOUNG: As word of the shooting spread, the crowd grew increasingly angry.

PROTESTERS: We ready for what? We ready for what?

YOUNG: Police and protesters faced off. Bricks and battles flew. Police fired tear gas and smoke bombs in return.


YOUNG: Some businesses were damaged. A journalist attacked and robbed.

Three police officers were injured, one hit in the face by a brick.

It was the third of four shootings in Ferguson. Earlier Sunday, police responded to a man who was shot in the arm. Later, a minor incident not involving police, a man shot in the foot. More serious, 2:15 Monday morning, two young men near the spot where Michael Brown died shot in the chest by someone in a red sweatshirt. Their injuries are reportedly not life-threatening.

All this around a day of mostly peaceful protests, now police are once again calling for calm and the p public's help.

BELMAR: We can't do it by ourselves. We have to have the community out here helping us, working with us to identify this and to make this stop.


YOUNG: And, Kate, so many people have their fingers crossed about this. When you think about people stepping onto the highway, we did some see people try to drive through the protesters. Some people have arrived outside the police department. Everyone is hoping that this is another quiet night.

BOLDUAN: Well, they can hope. They need more than fingers crossed, that's for sure.

Ryan, thank you so much.

OUTFRONT with us now, Anthony Gray. He's the attorney for the Michael Brown family.

Mr. Gray, it's great to see you. Thank you so much for your time.

ANTHONY GRAY, ATTORNEY FOR THE MICHAEL BROWN FAMILY: Thank you, Kate. Thank you for having me.

BOLDUAN: Of course.

You have spoken to the family today. What is their reaction to the violence on what is no doubt an impossibly difficult day for them?

GRAY: They are saddened by the news over what happened last night and over the few hours dealing with the shooting as far as the highway shut down and all of these things. Now, the mother and father in particular had three days' worth of activities, Kate, that I think is important for everyone to know went off without a hitch, very uneventful, very classy. It was what it was set out to do.

Everything that you are reporting on happened after those anniversary activities took place. So, it's totally unrelated to what was initially planned by the family to commemorate their son's death.

BOLDUAN: That's the tragedy upon tragedy is that it happens on this anniversary when otherwise it was so peaceful.

GRAY: Yes. BOLDUAN: Since Michael Brown's death, Ferguson -- they have made some changes. The most obvious ones are a new police chief and for the first time African-American city councilmembers, they have been elected to the board.

Does the family think these changes have made a difference in that city?

GRAY: I'm not going to say that they feel it makes a difference. It hasn't made a difference yet. But it's has been change. Everybody has received and accepted change as a positive step in the right direction. I think the jury is still out on what it will manifest itself into looking like later.

[19:35:01] We're hopeful that the change that we all know that has taken place will be positive, it will have long sustaining positive affects in community. So, we don't know as of right now if there has been actual change that you can f percent feel and see. But we're holding out hope that we will.

BOLDUAN: So, Mr. Gray, really when you kind of look at the fact that the sun is going down soon there, how nervous are you about what's going to happen tonight?

GRAY: Well, you know, the whole city is pretty much on edge, very nervous because this group, Kate, as you know, is a group from outside of the community. Some community people as I understand are involved in it, too.

Remember, most of the folks that you are seeing now, they just rejected the narrative that has been promulgated over the year that suggested that Mike Brown, Junior, was responsible for his own death. So, we're seeing the kind of reaction to that. And we're really nervous as to how far they will take it.

BOLDUAN: That's why everyone is nervous and hoping for the best tonight as the sun is about to go down.

Anthony Gray, it's great to have you. Thanks so much.

GRAY: All right. Thank you.

BOLDUAN: Of course. OUTFRONT for us next, surveillance video captures a young black man acting erratically in the moments before he was shot and killed by an officer in training. The big question, though, no matter what, was the shooting justified?

And a hailstorm shatters a plane's windshield midflight, knocks off the plane's nose, terrifying passengers.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I fly constantly. This was the scariest ten minutes of my life.


[19:40:32] BOLDUAN: Tonight, new audio of the moments after an unarmed black college student was shot dead by a rookie police officer who is white.

Listen here.


OFFICER: Shots -- whoa, we've got shots fired.

OFFICER: Notify internal affairs, please.


BOLDUAN: Police say 19-year-old Christian Taylor was behaving erratically, kicking out a windshield at this car dealership and then driving his car through the showroom window. But, tonight, Taylor's family is asking why shots were ever needed to be fired, ever were needed to be fired.

Martin Savidge is OUTFRONT.


MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Christian Taylor in the last minutes of his life.

It's around 1:00 a.m. Friday, cameras monitoring an Arlington car dealership spot the 19-year-old. At one point, you can be seen jumping on the hood of a car.

The security company uses a PA system to warn Taylor to leave. And then calls police.

DISPATCH: Advice the suspect is trying to get into the vehicle. It will be a gray colored Ford Mustang that he broke into.

SAVIDGE: Then, the cameras show the teen driving his SUV through the dealership's gates and smashing through the showroom front doors. Within minutes, police respond and walk toward the building.

OFFICER: I just saw a guy in the building.

SAVIDGE: What happens next inside isn't captured on surveillance video or body cams, which are not required by police here.

According to authorities, trainee police officer Brad Miller and his supervising officer ordered Taylor to surrender. They say he tried to flee, through a lot door. Then, according to police, there's an altercation.

OFFICER: We've got shots fired.

SAVIDGE: The supervising officer uses his taser. Miller hits the teen in the abdomen, chest and neck. Taylor died on the scene.

Officer Miller is on paid administrative leave, standard department procedure in police shooting. But in a move that is not standard, the Arlington chief of police asked the FBI to review his department's investigation and findings.

Taylor is black. The officer who fired the fatal shots is white.

SGT. PAUL RODRIGUEZ, ARLINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT: Equally important to the investigative process is an acknowledgement. In this instance has not occurred in isolation. But, rather, it has occurred as our nation has been wrestling with the topics of social injustice, inequities, racism and police misconduct.

SAVIDGE: Taylor was about to begin his sophomore year at Angelo State University where he played as a defensive back on the football team. His father can't understand what his son was doing in the car lot that night.

ADRIAN TAYLOR, FATHER OF CHRISTIAN TAYLOR: Could have been too much drinking. Could have been wrong place at the wrong time. Could have got something you don't know you are getting.

SAVIDGE: And like many people, Taylor's father can't understand how his unarmed son would end up shot dead by police.


SAVIDGE: Late this afternoon, for the very first time since this shooting took place early Friday morning, the two officers that were involved with that altercation with the teenager were finally interviewed by authorities. That's standard practice to wait two sleep cycles. They say. So authorities know, at least according to those officers, what happened inside and what led to the gunfire.

But that information has not been given to the public. The department says it will give that information out soon. They won't define soon. Only to say it won't be tonight -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: A lot of people waiting for that, though. That's for sure. Martin, thank you so much.

OUTFRONT for us next, tense moments in the sky. Look what a hailstorm did to this Delta plane. We're going to have a live report on that coming up.

And Jeanne Moos on Donald Trump. He is riding high in the polls. Yes. So, why isn't Mr. Trump smiling?


BOLDUAN: Tonight, a federal investigation into how a Delta passenger jet nearly broke apart midair. Take a look at these pictures. Severe hailstorm tore off the plane's nose, even shattered the cockpit windshield, forcing the plane to make an emergency landing. The path flight, it was near the Nebraska-Colorado border when it flew into the path of the dangerous storm.

Listen to this.


PILOT: We are having a hard time here, Delta 1889. Do you have anything for us at all?


BOLDUAN: Seconds later, the pilots said they were essentially flying blind.


PILOT: Understand we have no weather radar, that is out too.

PILOT: Our windshield is pretty severely damaged.


BOLDUAN: No kidding.

The plane was able to land safely in Denver, thankfully.

OUTFRONT with us now is Beau Sorenson, one of the passengers on that Delta flight.

Beau, thank you so much for joining us. We are glad, after you see the photos, that everybody is OK. What was it like to be on board that plane?

BEAU SORENSON, PASSENGER ON JET DAMAGED BY HAIL STORM: You know, it was really interesting. It didn't seem like it was as bad on board as it looked like when we got off the plane. So, it felt like really, really terrible turbulence. We could see the hail hitting the wings. We could see lightning hitting as well.

But we had no idea it was as serious as it was until we got off the plane and saw the damage.

BOLDUAN: What were people saying? Did you hear from the pilot or crew while this was happening?

SORENSON: They were very, very cool under pressure. The pilot, once we got through the turbulence, he said, we have a little bit of a crack in the windshield. We're going to divert to Denver to be safe. We thought that it was really something -- it wasn't routine, but at least not to the extent of the damage that we saw.

BOLDUAN: Yes. And, Beau, I mean, we're looking at the photos that you sent to us. These are pictures you took of the damage when you got off the flight. When you got off and you saw this, what did you think?

SORENSON: I thought I was lucky to be alive. I couldn't believe we had flown through that and we made it, especially the damage to the wind screens. I -- it was amazing the pilot was able to fly and land the plane and keep us safe.

BOLDUAN: I know, seeing the windshield, how shattered it is, it's just amazing.

[19:50:01] Thankfully, they did land safely and everyone is OK. Beau, thank you so much.


SORENSON: You are welcome.

BOLDUAN: Of course.

OUTFRONT with us, CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien.

I want to look at the photos again, with you. The nose torn off the plane. The windshield looks shattered.

How does this happen? How does a plane break apart like this midair?

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, hail at high speed doesn't take too much. And that nose in particular, it is not made of aluminum because behind it is the weather radar. So, it's kind of a carbon fiber. So, it's a little more fragile.

Fortunately, the windshield is more hardy. Crew gets high fortunately the windshield is a little more hardy. The crew gets high marks for bringing the plane in.

But the question is, why were they in the middle of the thunderstorm?

BOLDUAN: Exactly. I mean, you heard the pilot say their weather radar was out. They were essentially flying blind. How serious was the situation?

O'BRIEN: Well, the radar was out after it got hit by hail. Whether it was out prior is a very important question. They are trying to thread to those storms in that weather radar. That would be a bad thing.

You are supposed to stay 20 nautical miles away from a thunderstorm. And they were -- if you look at the Nexrad radar replay, it appears they were trying to thread a needle. And the needle closed in on them. That's something they may have to answer questions about.

BOLDUAN: Talking about threading the needle, Miles, this had us thinking about. This isn't the only time we have seen major damage to planes from just hail recently. In June, there's another Delta plane, hopefully show you, you can see that on the left. That was badly damaged because of hail.

Then on the right of your screen, you can see an American airlines jet that had to turn back after being pounded by hail. That was just two weeks ago.

Remind us, shouldn't they, shouldn't they be able to avoid this kind of weather? Or is -- is there something else going on?

O'BRIEN: Well, in the case of that 747 on the left which incidentally went to the graveyard after that. It was in Chinese airspace. There were some issues with air traffic control.

What you have to remember is, the flight crew's responsibility to avoid flying into a thunderstorm. And it's difficult sometimes to identify particularly hail with the weather radar on board. It's not as reflective in some cases as, as typical rainfall.

So they really have to really be careful. And use a lot of discretion. And they're under a lot of pressure to be there on time.


O'BRIEN: And not burn so much fuel.

BOLDUAN: That's absolutely the case. Thankfully, they were cool under pressure. The passenger said, got there safely, when we're talking about this Delta flight.

It's great to see you, Miles. Thank you.

O'BRIEN: You're welcome.

BOLDUAN: OUTFRONT for us next, Jeanne Moos on Donald Trump and what all the scowls and smirks, what they're secretly telling us.


[19:57:35] BOLDUAN: The many faces of Donald Trump. Rarely a happy one.

Why is this billionaire so darn grumpy?

Here's Jeanne Moos.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He is Trumpzilla, crushing competition in his shadows, as the media shine their lights on him.

So, why is Donald looking like Trump the Grump in his first big debate?

Listen to Dan Hill a man who reads faces.

What struck you if anything about Mr. Trump?

DAN HILL, FACIAL CODING EXPERT: Well, first of all, the guy hardly smiles. He may be the unhappiest rich man in America.

MOOS: Even when he talked about fun.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's fun, it's kidding. We have a good time. MOOS: He didn't look like he was having a good time.

Did he smile at all, Dan? Does he ever smile?

HILL: He only smiles when he is making a sarcastic comment.

TRUMP: Only Rosie O'Donnell.

MOOS: Facial coding expert Dan Bill expected Trump to show anger, glinting eyes and pressed lips. And in that sense, the unsmiling Donald is totally on message.

HILL: You can argue that not being content is his whole message.

MOOS: Trump's defenders like these sisters whose videos have become a hit on the Internet say everyone is picking on him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Leave Donald Trump alone. Leave Donald Trump, leave him alone. Period.


MOOS: Tell that to cartoonist whose can't get enough of his hair and his pursed lips.

HILL: What I really was surprised by, the guy pouts. He is -- someone who has the upper chin rising and the corners of the mouth go down drooping in sadness. Like a cross between Peter Finch on network saying I'm mad as hell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm as mad as hell and not going to take it any more.

And Leslie Gore saying, it's my party and I'll cry if I want to!


MOOS: In this case, it's the Republican Party that's crying.


MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN --

TRUMP: Because our leaders are stupid.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I am not going to take this anymore.

MOOS: New York.


BOLDUAN: You can't top it. I don't even -- I'm just going to pout and sit here and say thank you.

Have a good night, everyone. Thanks so much for joining us.

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