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Arrests, Violence During Ferguson Protests; Megyn Kelly, Hillary Clinton Fire Back at Trump; FAA Finally Releases Chronic Fatigue Study. Aired 6-6:30a ET
Aired August 11, 2015 - 06:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: State of emergency in Ferguson, Missouri.
[05:58:39] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police moved in and made several arrests.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give us some room! Give us some room! Back off!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Weapons in an already wounded community is a recipe for disaster.
CHIEF JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: We can't afford to have this kind of violence.
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Mr. Trump did interviews over the weekend that attacked me personally.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: She should really be apologizing to me, you want to know the truth.
KELLY: I certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hillary Clinton also weighing in.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The guy went way overboard. Offensive, outrageous. Pick your adjective.
TRUMP: I cherish women. I want to help women.
ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, August 11, 6 a.m. in the East. Mick and I are joined by Ana Cabrera.
Good to have you here.
And again, we have to tell you about Ferguson. And again, the news is not good. That city boiling over again overnight. Officials saying officers came under attack from demonstrators. They were throwing frozen water bottles, bricks, rocks.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: A state of emergency remains in effect in St. Louis County after more than 50 people were arrested at a demonstration outside the local courthouse demonstration. So can police and protesters, can they find common ground and keep the peace today?
Ryan Young is live in Ferguson with the very latest for us this morning -- Ryan.
RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Michaela, we did see those crowds swelling in the streets overnight, and nine people were arrested.
YOUNG (voice-over): Overnight, several arrests made as rocks and frozen water bottles were thrown at police. Protesters taking to the streets, blocking traffic. Authorities earlier declared a state of emergency in Ferguson.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back up.
YOUNG: As protesters continued for a second night surrounding the anniversary of Michael Brown's death. Armored police vehicles back on the street, police lining up in riot gear.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're the people that run towards danger, instead of running from it.
YOUNG: Around 2 a.m., a puzzling scene. A small group of heavily armed men walk into the crowd of protesters, calling themselves the Oath Keepers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody has the right to be safe and secure in their person and things.
YOUNG: The men say they're protecting rioters with Info Wars, a site run by a conspiracy theorist. They say police are leaving them alone.
Earlier on Monday, protesters shut down an interstate in St. Louis.
WESLEY BELL, FERGUSON CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: Many of the people who have their own agendas, who do wish to escalate violence, they mix in with a lot of the peaceful protesters. It is difficult. And particularly for law enforcement, who has no idea, oftentimes, who is who.
YOUNG: Tensions growing after a reported four shootings Sunday night. Eighteen-year-old Tyrone Harris remains in critical condition after being shot by police late Sunday.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please get him some help. (END VIDEOTAPE)
YOUNG: Michaela, there's a lot of talk from people in the crowd, talking about trying to separate those protesters from people who come to do other situations, especially with the shooting happening in that crowd of protesters. A lot of people want to say, look, there needs to be a separation between, obviously, people who show up to protest and people who show up for other things -- Michaela.
PEREIRA: Yes, that's the challenge, right there, for leaders and for law enforcement. All right, Ryan, we'll be talking to you later in the morning.
The Donald Trump -- pardon me -- the Donald Trump "No Apologies Tour," it continues, rolling into Michigan for a Republican event tonight. Trump, for his part, is still refusing to apologize for his comments about FOX News anchor Megyn Kelly, saying that it is her that owes him an apology.
Well, Megyn Kelly is firing back at Trump, and so is Hillary Clinton. We've got this story covered from every angle. We start with Athena Jones in Washington.
Athena, good morning.
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michaela.
That's right. The back and forth between Trump and FOX News is not over yet. We know that Trump tweeted late yesterday morning that he had a conversation with FOX News chief Roger Ailes. Here's what Trump said in his tweet: "Roger Ailes just called. He is a great guy and assures me that Trump will be treated fairly on FOX News. His word is always good."
Now Ailes, for his part, said that conversation was blunt but cordial and that the two cleared the air. Of course, this all comes after Trump was very, very unhappy with the way he felt he was treated in the -- in Thursday night's debate on FOX News, with the questioning he got from Megyn Kelly. And as you mentioned, he has said that he said nothing wrong about his criticism of Megyn Kelly, and that it's she who owes an apology to him.
Listen to what Megyn Kelly had to say on her show last night in response.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KELLY: Apparently, Mr. Trump thought the question I asked was unfair and felt I was attacking him. I felt he was asked a tough, but fair question.
I certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism. So I'll continue doing my job without fear or favor.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: And so no apology from Megyn Kelly.
And as if that weren't enough, Bristol Palin, who is of course, the daughter of the former vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, sent her -- put her two cents into this debate in a blog post.
She blasted both FOX News and Erick Erikson, a conservative radio host, who disinvited Trump from a gathering over the weekend, saying that FOX and Erickson need to get off their high horse on how outraged they are about sexism and decency. And she said they should be focused on winning, not on winning accolades from "The New York Times," saying that the questions asked in Thursday night's debate really sounded like questions that would come from "The New York Times."
So this is all continuing. And of course, we're going to be hearing from Donald Trump later on this show.
ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: That's right. Right around 7:30. Athena Jones live in Washington for us. Thanks so much.
Now Hillary Clinton calling Trump's comments about Megyn Kelly outrageous, but she's not limiting her attacks to the GOP frontrunner. Instead, she insists all the Republican candidates are a potential threat to women. And for more on that, we have CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny.
Good morning, Jeff.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Ana.
Hillary Clinton came here to New Hampshire to unveil her plan to make college more affordable. Student loans and college affordability. But like many things in this campaign, her message was overtaken by Donald Trump.
When asked about his comments, she did not miss a beat. In fact, she seized on this opportunity to not just criticize Donald Trump, but as you said, the entire Republican field, trying to skip ahead to her own primary fight to brand this Republican field as out of touch and out of date.
Let's take -- let's take a listen to what she said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[06:04:57] CLINTON: And while what Donald Trump said about Megyn Kelly said is outrageous, what the rest of the Republicans are saying about all women is also outrageous. They brag about slashing women's healthcare funding. They say they would force women who've been raped to carry their rapist's child.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZELENY: Now, what she was talking about there specifically were some of the comments in last week's debate, particularly from Florida Senator Marco Rubio, who said that he supports -- or he opposes abortion, excuse me, opposes in all cases, including rape and incest. So that's what Secretary Clinton was -- was seizing on.
By mentioning Marco Rubio's name specifically, it also highlighted a political point. Her campaign has their eye on Senator Rubio, the young Florida Republican who is viewed as a rising star. And if he would ever get the Republican nomination, several Clinton advisers believe he could be a tough -- a tough general election challenger.
But again, getting way ahead of ourselves here, because both sides have a competitive primary.
And interestingly, you know, she was giving her speech on college affordability and student loans. Jeb Bush did not hesitate. In a tweet, he sort of turned around the Clinton campaign logo with her famous arrow. He pointed the arrow upwards, and he said taxes. So saying she would pay for her $350 billion plan through a tax increase.
So a lot of the campaigns now are back and forth on Twitter messages. That was just one example yesterday in New Hampshire -- Michaela.
CUOMO: I'll take it. And take progress where you find it, Jeff. Do me a favor. Stay with us, and let's -- because at least they're talking about each other as saying about policy things. You know, at least it's not just all about Trump and what he said about some random person and some random point.
So stay with us, and let's bring in senior political reporter Nia-Malika Henderson. It's good to have you both here, side by side, as it were.
Now, let's take one look here at the diagnosis of what's going on with Trump. We don't usually comment on other media. We all do our job. We do it the best we can, and we move on.
However, this is unusual. Most of the people on that GOP debate stage had some type of affiliation with FOX News. Either they were contributors or they were outright working for them at some point, maybe will work for them in the future.
So what do you think, Nia, that we're seeing in Megyn Kelly taking what would usually be an opportunity to talk about women's rights and how they're dealt with. And she goes quiet. And Donald Trump just happening to have a conversation with Roger Ailes and now being on FOX again this morning. What do you think?
NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. She's obviously taking the high road. This is sort of good for her in some ways. In some ways, it's probably easy to take the high road when you're tangling with Donald Trump. He, of course, is taking the low road.
Surprisingly, in some ways, because if you look at immediately after that debate, he didn't really complain necessarily about Megyn Kelly so vociferously. They immediately sent out a press release, saying that they thought he won the debate. But then, in the ensuing days, he very much started to go after her.
And now, you have this situation where he sort of, at least for a while, framing FOX as the establishment. Right? And of course, FOX News typically has been viewed by conservatives as sort of a brethren in the cause of conservativism and trumpeting some of those conservative causes.
So, it's very odd. And there's all of these sort of back-room kind of conversations that are going on now with Trump and Ailes. So it's this media story. It's a celebrity story. It's a political story. An d in some ways, it's one big mess.
CUOMO: What do you got, Jeff?
ZELENY: Look, I think Megyn Kelly is doing her job, like any journalist would do. This isn't about Megyn Kelly; it's become about her over the last couple days. But this is about the presidential campaign.
But when she said last night, "Let's get back to the news," I think she was doing what many of us would do. This is about how these candidates are answering questions, how they're conducting themselves on the public stage. Of course, FOX News is different. It's a bit of a unique...
CUOMO: Look at Jeff trying to be polite. Let's just put it this way. Megyn doesn't do the same job as you do there.
ZELENY: Sure. But the reality is -- I mean...
CUOMO: You know what I mean? They have a different format at night, but she's much more of a -- there's a commentary based in it.
CUOMO: But for her to go quiet about this is a little curious at this moment in time.
ZELENY: But the -- but the moderators on the stage last week, no one can question or criticize any of their questions. At least I can't. I won't. I've been covering five presidential campaigns. Those were some of the best questions I've seen. All of them were in line, in my view.
So I think going forward, this is about the candidates and the campaign. Every media has -- has some type of ownership here. So it's impossible to do a dissect the Roger Ailes/Donald Trump thing at this point. We'll just have to see how it plays out.
But for Megyn Kelly's point, she wants to get back to, you know, the news and back to what the candidates are saying.
CUOMO: I know. Just the business of new there often involves talking about the candidates. ZELENY: Sure.
CUOMO: And it's unusual for her to actually do that. And the conversation with Ailes also unusual. But like you said, Jeff, the whole thing is unusual. And certainly, nobody is talking about the quality of the moderators. You know, Bret -- Chris Wallace, Bret Haines [SIC] and Megyn all did a fine job. This is about the reaction to their job.
[06:10:13] And Nia, it didn't go unnoted that Rich Lowry, writing for "The New York Post," also a FOX contributor, took a shot at Trump this morning, and saying, you know, he says he's going to get all this stuff done. It seems like he seems to whine whenever anything goes against him. Do you see a little bit of the base turning?
HENDERSON: Who knows? It only matter what those folks in Iowa, the folks in New Hampshire, the folks in South Carolina, of those die- hard Trump fans. And if you listen to him and, in many ways, if you listen to him on Twitter, you call him up in any of these state, they have pretty much firmly taken Trump's side, and they're sort of spouting his talking points, saying that Megyn Kelly seemed to be out to get him, that FOX News was out to get him.
You know, again, I think Megyn Kelly answered -- or asked tough questions, as Jeff said. I think he got some pretty rock-solid support, and we'll have to see. The next polls will show whether or not it's taken a dip. Because he's taking on Megyn Kelly, who of course, is a beloved star in some of these same circles.
CUOMO: What about Donald Trump's case that it did seem a little slanted against him, Jeff? They come right out of the box with a question that everybody had to know was going to be embarrassing for Donald, that he'd probably get booed. And that's what happened.
And then his assertion that he didn't get asked about policy the way everybody else did. They seemed to be baiting him into more of these situations and then criticizing him for taking the bait.
ZELENY: Well, Chris, I would say welcome to the major leagues. He's running for president of the United States. He's the frontrunner. What did he expect?
In fact, he expected exactly this. We now know that his planning memo by Roger Stone said that he would be asked exactly this question. Everyone knew that question was going to be asked. That is the thing that is hanging over him more than anything. Will you pledge to run as a Republican? Not exactly a surprise.
Or I thought it was actually an inventive way of how they asked him, not just singling him out, asking everyone on the stage there. So I think, you know, any suggestion that he wasn't given enough time, he had 11 minutes in the debate, more than twice as much as some other Republican candidates on that stage. He actually was asked about some economic policy. He could have pivoted to any of his policies. He didn't really choose to, because it didn't look like he appeared -- he had prepared for this. So I'm not too sympathetic to any of his complaining.
CUOMO: Except that he had a lot more time, because people were talking about him. And the way the debate was structured, is every time someone says your name, you get 30 seconds. So they were coming at him.
ZELENY: He could have pivoted every single time.
HENDERSON: That's right. That's right. He could have -- he could have answered whatever question he wanted. He didn't have to answer the question that was asked. He could have pivoted. I mean, that something that happens on television.
CUOMO: That never happens in debates. I never heard of that before.
Do you think that there's a chance that he's going to come out and get rid of this third-party stigma that's hanging over him? And I guess, you know, you could take issue with the word "stigma." But within the GOP, that is how it's viewed right now, because it would be almost, you know, there's no other way to look at it, except that it would be injurious to their efforts to get their person through. Do you think there's a chance he's going to change his position on that, Nia?
HENDERSON: Leverage. You know, that's the word that he used. And it keeps him in the conversation. This sort of threat that's inherent in his candidacy, that he could go off on his own and run an independent candidacy. I don't see what good it would do him if he wants to stay in the limelight and stay this powerful figure in the field, to all of a sudden put that aside and say that he wouldn't run as an independent.
CUOMO: The analysis spot on, as always, Nia-Malika. Thank you very much.
Jeff Zeleny, always a pleasure. Appreciate the perspective here.
So you have to hear from the man himself, right? Donald Trump has some big things hanging over his head. What is he going to do with this third-party kind of scenario that's going on? Is it real or is it just leverage? What does he want to say about that? What does he want to say about what's going on with FOX? And does he believe he's the victim in this situation? And why is he still the best guy for you?
Guess what? Those are all questions that we'll get an answer to this morning in all good hope. He's going to do his first interview. Donald Trump about 7:30 Eastern. Stick with us.
PEREIRA: All right. Looking forward to that.
We have breaking news into CNN, a U.S. warplane crashed overnight into a forest near Grafenwoehr Military Airfield in the Bavaria region of Germany. We're told the pilot was able to eject safely. It is unclear if he suffered injuries. The Air Force says it was an F-16 jet. We're working to get more details, and we'll bring them to you when we can.
CABRERA: The FAA just releasing a startling 4-year-old report revealing air-traffic controllers struggled with chronic fatigue, many of them calling it an extreme safety risk. One news agency alleging the FAA wanted this study to stay buried.
CNN's aviation and government regulation correspondent, Rene Marsh. is joining us in D.C. now with more -- Rene.
RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION AND GOVERNMENT REGULATION CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Ana.
This is an alarming study by the -- by NASA. Chronically fatigued air-traffic controllers potentially putting flyers at risk.
[06:15:00] Now, researchers surveyed more than 3,200 controllers and monitored sleep patterns of more than 200. They wore a device on their wrist which recorded when they were sleeping. They also kept a log of the time they slept, and they took tests to measure how alert they were during their shift.
And this is what the study found. Controllers got an average of 5.8 hours of sleep per night, an average of 3.2 hours of sleep before the midnight shift. Seventy percent of controllers on the midnight shift caught themselves about to, quote, "doze off," at work. And 78 percent surveyed participants identified shift work as a cause of their fatigue.
Now, the study came after several incidents involving FAA air- traffic controllers falling asleep on the job, like this one in 2011, where the pilot was forced to land a plane on his own without help from the tower. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: American 1900, just so you're aware, the tower is apparently not manned. We've made a few phone calls. Nobody is answering. So two airplanes went in about ten-10 minutes. So you can expect to go in as an uncontrolled airport.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MARSH: All right. Well, one in five controllers say they made some sort of operational error.
The FAA was forced to release this report after someone else, another publication, got a copy. The agency does say that it changed scheduling practices in 2012 to control fatigue. And they also say that now controllers can declare if they are too tired to work, Chris
Back to you.
CUOMO: All right. Big issue. Got to stay on it. Thank you very much for the reporting this morning.
So news out of the White House. One of the staffers is out on bail this morning after allegedly threatening her lover's life.
Authorities say Barvetta Singletary got into a fight with the man -- he's a Capitol Hill officer -- over another woman last Friday. They say she grabbed his gun, pointed it at him and fired a round. He was not hurt.
Singletary, who helps handle the president's relations with the House of Representatives, has been placed on administrative leave.
PEREIRA: What did they used to say about hell hath no fury?
CUOMO: Well, there's a lot of -- first of all, it's too serious to have, you know, fun with. But the -- you're going to hear in political circles the fact that she's one of the liaisons for dealing with the House for the president. You know, maybe there will be a commentary on why his relationships are the way they are with the House.
PEREIRA: Oh, my.
CUOMO: But this is very serious. Gun pointed, round fired.
CUOMO: Luckily, the man is OK.
CABRERA: It's like out of "House of Cards" or something.
CUOMO: Yes, yes.
PEREIRA: All right. We're going to take a look at Ferguson ahead here. More violence there. Police attacked, dozens arrested a year after the death of Michael Brown. More protests are on tap today. Will they be able to keep the peace is the question.
[06:21:46] PEREIRA: New arrests overnight in Ferguson after police and protesters faced off for another night.
One year after Michael Brown was killed, a state of emergency has been declared after several other arrests Monday. One of those arrested includes our next guest, Reverend Starsky Wilson, co-chair of the Ferguson Commission and he also CEO of the Deaconess Foundation. He's joined by Chris King, editorial director of "The St. Louis American."
Thank you so much for getting up early. I know both of you are operating on very little sleep.
Reverend, if you don't mind me starting with you, I understand you and several other prominent activists were arrested yesterday. Can you give us the circumstances surrounding your arrest?
REV. STARSKY WILSON, CO-CHAIR, FERGUSON COMMISSION: Sure, yesterday morning, a group of us, some 100 -- I'm sorry, a large group of people of faith, including clergy, including the deans of two of our major theological seminaries, Dr. Cornell West, activists from throughout the community joined together to call on the Department of Justice to do their job, bringing the full weight to bear of that department on police departments like the city of Ferguson and those across the country where there are documented clear systems of bias that have not been structurally transformed, even over the course of the last year.
While this has been documented, there's still much work to do to protect young, black and poor people throughout the country who still bear the indiscriminate weight of police forces across the nation.
So yesterday, in our action, we came to the -- to the federal building here to call upon the attorney, the U.S. attorney and the attorney general, to bring the weight of their offices to bear on behalf of the people they're called to serve.
PEREIRA: So you were arrested along with several others. Chris, I know the atmosphere has changed there in the last couple of days. But I also know it is a bit different from what it was about a year ago. How much of a contrast do you see?
CHRIS KING, EDITORIAL DIRECTOR, "ST. LOUIS AMERICAN": Well, whenever the protests, the street protests heat up again, we end up talking about the minutia of street protests, whether there's a brick thrown or, I think, a frozen water bottle last night.
What we're really looking at is systematic long-term structural change to the way our communities are policed.
So in terms of what the streets are like now versus last week or last year, I think most of us are more interested in what the policies are like and who are the people in place to enact and to execute those policies.
PEREIRA: Let's talk about some of the changes that we've seen. It's interesting, because you know, the minutia does matter, in the respect that it is what we're seeing. And we know that it also can set a tone, and it can invite other people into your community. We know that, as well.
One of the things that's different this time around is that St. Louis County has taken over the policing in that community now. And I'm wondering if, to both of you gentlemen, does that feel like a step backwards or is it an indictment on the Ferguson P.D., that they can't handle the affairs of that community?
KING: Well, I would say this. The shooting the night before the county executive declared the state of emergency, I don't know what police command decision would have changed that. If two armed groups are going to come up on the fringe of protest and squeeze off shots at each other, what in the world could the police commander have done differently to prevent that from happening? I don't know.
[06:25:03] I believe the county executive felt like he had to do something. He's a new county executive, and he hasn't done anything else. So Chief Belmar can run a protest command at this point in time. But the way the county executive inserted himself in a way that there was some presumptive mistake that Chief Anderson made on the streets of Ferguson that night, I mean, Chief Anderson didn't do anything wrong. Two armed groups came up and started shooting at each other. I don't know what police commander could stop that from happening.
PEREIRA: Reverend, to your point, you talked about the fact that there is much work to be done, and we recognize that, as well. We know the work needs to continue in Ferguson and other cities across America to equalize the treatment that people are receiving from police.
One of the things that I want to recognize, though, is yesterday, Pastor White joined us and talked about the fact that there had been some movement. There had been some change that was starting to build momentum in Ferguson.
Do you agree with that? And do you think that this kind of unrest is going to stump that somehow?
WILSON: Well, ultimately, I absolutely agree with Pastor White. He's doing wonderful work on the streets and in the sanctuaries. And so we are glad to stand with him and agree with his work.
Quite frankly, we've been pleased to be a part of some of the conversations that have pushed significant court reform in the state of Missouri. We've been pleased to be part of the conversation to lift up standards of police -- for police training and a call for more police accountability. Civilian oversight in the city of St. Louis has been going on in our region. And quite frankly, that's been a 30- year fight. That's happened over the course of the last year.
I also say that you are here talking to us and, quite frankly, we came to be a commission. We came to have some of this sustained conversation about the challenges in our criminal justice system and with policing over the course of the last country [SIC] because of moments like this, when young people who are grieving, who called -- who called for a state of emergency a long time ago, quite frankly, who called a state of emergency, the set of circumstances by which those who are protesting in our county seat of Clayton yesterday, in 63105, where there are life circumstances of the people who live there are 18 years longer than people who live in 63106, ten miles away.
That is a state of emergency. That requires more action that we've seen over the course of the last year. That's going to be a sustained, decades-long, maybe generations-long movement for structural change across America.
And until we get that kind of change done, then there should still be people of faith, like me, coming out of good conscience, calling upon our government to act. There should still be students like Malik Heron (ph), who was walking to the library yesterday and joined the protest and got arrested; and those 100 plus who were arrested on Interstate 70 last -- on yesterday, still coming out to stand and say business as usual must be disrupted until the systems are shifted.
We cannot continue to color within the lines as long as the game is rigged against those who stand at the bottom, which are young, which are black, which are poor people across this nation.
PEREIRA: Reverend Wilson, passionate statements from you. Chris King, we always appreciate when you join us here on NEW DAY. Thanks so much for joining us today -- Ana.
CABRERA: All right. Donald Trump keeping his name in the headlines. And that's actually a problem for the other Republican candidates who can't really get noticed. Up next, we'll talk about playing second fiddle to Trump with former presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty.