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Trump Maintains Lead in GOP Race; Trump Claims Iran Funds ISIS; Turkey Strikes at Kurd Separatists; State of Emergency in Ferguson; Life in Damascus

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HALA GORANI, ANCHOR, "THE WORLD RIGHT NOW," CNN, LONDON: Tonight, Trump on top, as a new poll keeps the Republican candidate firmly in the lead.

Donald Trump is challenged on foreign policy and he tells CNN why he believes Iran is funding ISIS. Plus Turkey hits back against Kurdish

separatists, warning that the battle will go on until it says all terrorists have been wiped out.

Also, with a state of emergency in effect in Ferguson today, I will speak to a prominent activist who found himself arrested. And bumper to

bumper on the streets of Damascus just to get gas. CNN gets a rare insight into life in the Syrian capital.

Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us. This is "The World Right Now."

He's blond, no doubt about that. He's outspoken, we know that as well. He's offensive to some, we've seen that over the last several weeks.

However, poll numbers just released suggest that Donald Trump's recent controversial remarks have not hurt his standing among Republican voters,

at least in one critical state. Trump is still leading the pack of GOP candidates for President in Iowa, and it's a significant state. It's a

small but significant state. It is the first to vote on party nominations in the United States. The poll was taken on August 7th through the 10th.

Most after that debate and after Trump's remarks about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly and other controversial remarks. Trump spoke to CNN today

about women. Listen.

DONALD TRUMP, AMERICAN BUSINESSMAN: I've always been good to women and there will nobody be better to women as the President because I will

take care. When I talk about health issues, I will take care of women like nobody else can. I will be so good to women. I cherish women. I will be

so good to women, I will work hard to protect women.

GORANI: Donald Trump there speaking to my colleague Chris Cuomo. Trump also talks foreign policy and was asked to explain and back up some

of his controversial proposals. Among other things he suggested Iran wants to destroy the world. And Trump also accused Iran of funding ISIS, even

though the Shia regime is waging a battle against the Sunni militants. Listen.

TRUMP: I would take the oil away, I'd take their money away, I'd take their source of money away.


TRUMP: I'd make sure that Saudi Arabia and, by the way, Iran, which gives plenty of money to ISIS, I would make sure, I -- believe it or not,

Iran is funneling money into ISIS too and Iraq is going to Iran just like I predicted in 2004.

CUOMO: So how do you do it? Do you put troops on the ground?

TRUMP: I would go in and take the oil and I'd put troops to protect the oil. I would absolutely go and I'd take their money source away and,

believe me, they would start to whither and they would collapse.

CUOMO: But you have to get the oil and, you know, Iran would say we're actually one of the ones who are fighting you -- fighting ISIS for

you in a lot of places and that's why they got some leverage at that deal (inaudible).

TRUMP: Well, look, all the problems (inaudible) disaster with Iran. Do you know, even if the deal isn't approved, if the deal isn't approved,

they still get the money? Which is something I heard the other day, which is im. They're going to be so rich, so powerful, so mean. They're going

to be so angry.

CUOMO: Well, that's not exactly how it works. If they don't do what they need to do there is snapback.

TRUMP: (inaudible) it's going to go down as one of the dumb deals of all time, in my -- and one of the most dangerous deals ever signed.

They're still getting much (inaudible).

CUOMO: The question becomes what was a better deal? What would you do? You know you can't sit down.

TRUMP: Oh, I would have -- what would I have done?


TRUMP: First of all, I would have doubled the sanctions. Then I would have said, before we start, I want our prisoners back. Then after

that, I would have made a good deal. And there wouldn't have been 24 days.

CUOMO: But your allies.

TRUMP: And by the way.

CUOMO: But your allies aren't with you on the sanctions, they want to do business.

TRUMP: (inaudible) that's part of leadership. You got to get the allies with you. Ukraine. Why isn't Germany and Europe fighting for

Ukraine? Why are we involved so much with Ukraine instead of Germany? Germany is a very powerful, very rich country. I mean, they don't owe

money like we do. They don't have a $19 trillion, you know, number on their, on their balance sheet that that's going to destroy them eventually.

CUOMO: People will say its leadership, that America goes first.

TRUMP: Germany should be involved. Why isn't Germany and all of the European countries? They're still buying oil, they're still taking gas.

They're taking everything from Russia and we're standing there fighting about Ukraine.

GORANI: OK, this was an opportunity to hear Donald Trump actually defend some of these positions and some also surprising statements like the

fact that Iran is actually funding ISIS. Lots to talk about here. Let's bring in our CNN political analyst, Josh Rogin. He's live in Martha's

Vineyard, where President Barack Obama is on holiday. Josh, let me first - - I mean he didn't -- he says things that factually are tenuous, you know, things like Iran funding ISIS. Does it matter to his supporters?

JOSH ROGIN, POLITICAL ANALYST, CNN, WASHINGTON, D.C.: Well, as you point out, Donald Trump's foreign policy seems to be created on the fly.

So taking it to its logical conclusion, it would result in a U.S. foreign policy that would have tens of thousands of troops on the ground fighting

ISIS and the end of the nuclear deal with Iran, some sort of burden sharing with Germany over Ukraine. It doesn't really make any sense on its face.

To answer your question directly, not it's not likely to impact his support for the very simple reason that his supporters have already baked into

their analysis that Donald Trump is not a foreign policy expert. They don't expect him to be -- have details on foreign policy and he's not

exceeding those expectations. This is part of the Donald Trump phenomenon. He's able to put forth criticisms without putting forth specifics and that

is his brand, that is what he's going with, and that's not likely to change and therefore it's not likely to hurt him.

GORANI: Right. And, Josh, we discussed the poll. Let me just bring the detail of that poll to our viewers as well, conducted in Iowa by

Suffolk University between the 7th and the 10th of August. Interestingly, we have Trump in the lead at 17 percent, Scott Walker at 12 percent, Marco

Rubio at 10 percent, Jim B -- Jeb Bush at only five percent. But let's talk about this 17 percent here. How much is that worrying the GOP?

ROGIN: Well, it's an interesting question because there are two schools of thought inside GOP circles and, according to operatives I've

talked to today, not all believe the conventional wisdom that we should follow these polls and believe that this is a serious and long-term threat

to the other candidates. What many people are pointing to also today are the favorable/unfavorable ratings. And if you look at the

favorable/unfavorable ratings of top candidates like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker, they're actually going up. They're getting better for

them, even as their poll numbers go down. And inside GOP circles, the analysis of this phenomenon is simply that, while the polls will fluctuate

and may -- and there are reasons to be concerned that Trump will have some long-term damage on the party and its chances next November, overall if

Trump does flame out, as many expect, the core candidates, the big candidates are basically doing the same or at least a little better than

they were doing before. So, if and when that happens, they should be fine.

GORANI: All right. Josh Rogin, thanks very much at Martha's Vineyard there. Thanks very much for reacting there to this brand-new

poll. They're still putting Trump in the lead after some of those remarks. Thanks very much. Always good talking to you.

ROGIN: Thank you.

GORANI: Well, speaking of foreign policy, this is something the United States is having to think a lot about and that is what is going on

of course in the Middle East with regards to ISIS and specifically Turkey's involvement in the fight. The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is

vowing to keep fighting Kurdish militants until quote not one single terrorist remains. Turkey is intensifying air strikes against the PKK

after a series of attacks Monday killed six members of the security forces. The PKK has now claimed responsibility for one of those attacks, the

bombing of an Istanbul police station. So it's not just the PKK, this is what Turkey's fight is there in the region. It's also ISIS. This is what

the U.S. wants Turkey to participate in. For what's the latest, we're going to Southern Turkey. Our Senior International Correspondent, Nick

Paton Walsh, is live in Gaziantep, Turkey, near the Syrian border. So let's talk a little bit about the U.S. involvement and the fact that the

United States is going to be soon flying sorties from a Tur -- an important Turkish base.


everyone would hope, certainly in Washington, that Turkey would be focused upon, the fight against ISIS. But, as you said, they have decided to

launch this dual-pronged military offensive, hitting both ISIS, but also -- and actually often it seems the 17 airstrikes just today alone, at times

predominantly their longer-term adversary is the Kurds, specifically the PKK and their military wing often found in Turkey. So Turkey, an

extraordinarily complex operation, one that I think particularly frustrates its allies because, as you well know, the United States is using a

particular ally of those Kurdish militants, the YPG, inside Syria to help fight ISIS. That complexity is hard to even explain. Imagine what it must

be like on the battlefield. But today, Hala, we heard a number of statements about a key tenant of Turkish policy here. They have long been

(inaudible) -sizing about the idea of a safe zone. That would be a chunk of territory pretty much between the area of the Syrian border with Turkey

that the Kurds control and the area that an Al Qaeda (inaudible) know as the Nusra Front and other groups there with control up north of Aleppo.

They want to clear ISIS out of a space between them and then effectively make that a safe area, perhaps for refugees or certainly an area which the

Turkish military or groups close to them could control. We've heard today from the Al Qaeda affiliate that they say they'll pull out of that area

because they think staying there will be assisting a Turkish national security goal. They don't want any truck with that. And instead a more

moderate Syrian group, still at times accused of some degree of radicalism but more moderate and certainly closer to Turkey, (Ahrar al-Sham)(ph), have

said they're fully in support of the safe zone. So that's where the Syrian rebels stand. Washington, however, has said there isn't going to be a safe

zone at all and their focus remains fighting ISIS. So huge confusion over this one key tenant of how the ground in Syria alters under this new

Turkish military strategy. More importantly, the Turkish and the Americans have agreed they going to use bases together, but not on much else. They

still seem to be at odds. Hala.

GORANI: I mean, it just -- it seems like everyone is pursuing a different goal here and that even though publically their pronouncements of

course that everyone's on the same page. Nick Paton Walsh is in Gaziantep, and we'll get back to Nick of course for more as details emerge on this

important story.

Back to Europe and Greece and its creditors have reached a deal on the terms of a third bailout package, finally. But that doesn't mean the

cash-strapped country is out of the woods. Greek officials were seen leaving after another all night negotiating session. This particular deal

is worth up to $95 billion. It still needs approval from the Euro Zone and creditors. (inaudible) also have to pass more reforms in order to get the

cash. Sound familiar? Yes, indeed, this is something that happened just a few weeks ago in a similar way.

Speaking of markets and the economy, it's been a rough ride on global mar -- markets today after a surprise decision from China to devalue its

currency. China's Central Bank allowed its currency, the Yuan, to depreciate by nearly two percent against the dollar. It's the largest

devaluation in two decades. The move comes after data showing a weakening in Chinese exports. So what are the implications for all of us, for the

whole world? Richard Quest joins me now to explain. Well, obviously, Richard, China is devaluing so that its products are cheaper aboard and so

that it's able to sell more outside of China here.

RICHARD QUEST, ANCHOR AND BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT, CNN, NEW YORK: Yes, I mean that is the -- the core economics, if you like. The Economics

101, the technical fundamental is you devalue your currency and therefore you make your exports more attractive, imports become more expensive, you

reverse the balance of trade. And that's the sort of the, the, the traditional, conventional way. But I think there's a lot more at play here

than just that. Because you're talking about a mere two percent devaluation. You can see -- it looks disproportionately large on the chart

that you're seeing there because of the scale and the fact also that China has kept the (inaudible) of the Yuan in a very tight range for so long.

Two percent is quite large. Putting it to the reasons why, Hala, and what's likely to happen.

First of all, you do have the question of trade. Who suffers, who gains? Chinese exporters are most certainly going to benefit. Those co --

those country -- those companies sending out. But then you've got the commodity companies in Australia, you've got the United States. They will

suffer their products become more expensive. Apple, incidentally, is one - - is both ways. It manufactures there and it also sells there. You've then got the threat of a currency war. Does everybody else follow suit? I

think that's unlikely on a mere two percent devaluation. But if you start to see a dramatic reversal in trade, Hala, then of course that would make a

difference. So finally, does this have an impact for the Fed? The Fed is deciding to raise interest rates, possibly as early as September. Now, if

this move by the Chinese also plays into it, does the Fed stand off? I don't think they do.

GORANI: All right. And quickly, I've got to ask you -- I mean the market reaction was pretty terrible. What's the concern for investors on a

market like the New York Stock Exchange here?

QUEST: Just looking over my shoulder, down 207 points on a day -- on a day after another 200 point fall. Very simply, is this going to clobber

big U.S. exporters? General Electric, Boeing, the big aluminum companies? Is this going to clobber them because their goods are more expensive? It

may only be two percent at the moment, Hala, but does it presage something larger and greater still to come?

GORANI: Presage. I like the way you said that. Richard Quest, thanks very much. We'll see you on "Quest Means Business".

QUEST: You will.

GORANI: .at the top of the hour. All right. Still to come tonight, a state of emergency remains in effect in Ferguson, Missouri. We'll look

at the latest process and arrests as well. Some well-known faces. And later, an effort to cool days of heated process in Iraq. We'll see how

lawmakers weighed in on some anti-corruption reforms, but are they convincing anyone in the country? We'll be right back.


GORANI: Welcome back. Dutch officials say that debris found at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight 17 may be Russian surface-to-air

missile parts. Investigators are still examining the debris and have yet to confirm if it had anything to do with the crash. The Malaysian airliner

was shot down over eastern Ukraine last year, killing all 298 people on board. Pro-Russian rebels and Ukrainian forces have blamed each other for

downing the plane.

In the United States a state of emergency remains in effect in and around Ferguson, Missouri. Tense today, but so far calm. Police and

protestors clashed during overnight protests marking one year since the death of Michael Brown. And they were joined by an armed group vowing to

keep the peace, as Ryan Young shows us.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN, CHICAGO: Overnight several arrests made as rocks and frozen water bottles were thrown at

police. Protestors taking to the streets, blocking traffic. Authorities earlier declared a state of emergency in Ferguson as protestors continue

for a second night surrounding the anniversary of Michael Brown's death. Armored police vehicles back on the street, police lining up in riot gear.

Around 2:00 am a puzzling scene. A small group of heavily-armed men walk into the crowd of protestors, calling themselves the Oath Keepers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody has a right to be safe and secure in their person and things.

YOUNG: The men say they're protecting rioters with (Infowars)(ph), a site run by conspiracy theorists. They say police are leaving them alone.

Earlier on Monday, protestors shut down the interstate in St. Louis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many of the -- the people who have their own agendas, who do wish to escalate violence, they mix in with a lot of the

peaceful protestors, so it is difficult and particularly for law enforcement who has no idea oftentimes who is who.

YOUNG: Tensions growing after a reported four shootings Sunday night. Eighteen-year-old Tyrone Harris remains in critical condition after

being shot by police late Sunday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please get him some help.

GORANI: Ryan Young was reporting there from Ferguson, and we should tell you that Tyrone Harris has been charged with assault and other crimes.

Police also arrested several prominent civil rights activists Monday in St. Louis. I'll speak to one of them later in this newscast. So a lot more

there from the U.S. state of Missouri.

Moving on to Iraq, the government is moving ahead with sweeping anti- corruption reforms. Parliament has approved the Prime Minister's proposals to eliminate top leadership posts, as our (Dumana Karacha)(ph) reports, the

changes were introduced after weeks of growing public anger.

(DUMAN KARACHA): This is the sound of a people who've simply had enough. Iraqis took to the streets in demonstrations calling for change,

political reforms, holding corrupt officials accountable, and demanding the basic services that government after government for more than a decade has

failed to restore. The protests in Baghdad and other cities were prompted by continuing power cuts as the country faced one of the worst heat waves

in its recent history. On Sunday Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, in what appeared to be a response to the streets and a call for serious action by

Iraq's most influential Shia cleric, announced a series of bold measures, the most drastic reforms since 2003.

SAJAD JAYAD, IRAQ ANALYST: It might the first time that we a have a (inaudible) -cracy that actually changed things on the ground, rather than

just continue in the same mold as its predecessors. Time passes by, elections are (inaudible) and nothing really changes on the ground.

(DUMAN KARACHA): Al-Abadi's reform package was swiftly approved by his cabinet on Sunday and on Tuesday Parliament unanimously voted in favor

approving the reforms. The measures include eliminating the senior posts of three Vice-Presidents and three Deputy Prime Ministers, posts held by

top politicians like Nouri al-Maliki and Ayad Allawi. The positions are allocated based on the sectarian and ethnic quota system created by the

United States in 2003. But many Iraqis feel this system is ineffective and part of the problem. Other measures also include cutting back on the

(coffee)(ph) security allowances provided to officials, and more corruption investigations. Despite the public backing of his reforms by Iraq's

politicians, it remains unclear how and when these reforms will be implemented.

JAYAD: I think honestly the crises are not going to go away, even if they hear the words from the Prime Minister and other politicians. They

want to see action on the ground. And that'll take some time. Today (inaudible) it isn't something that will happen in the next week.

(inaudible) This will be a month process and I think (inaudible) are very likely to keep up pressure on the government while this process happens.

(DUMAN KARACHA): In a country where political instability and grievances have historically created fertile ground for terrorist groups to

thrive, Iraq's politicians cannot afford to ignore the rising discontent on their streets. (Humana Kanachi), CNN, Amman.

GORANI: Coming up, on "The World Right Now," C is for change. Google is now part of Alphabet. We'll speak to business correspondent

Samuel Burke about Google's major restructuring. We'll be right back.


GORANI: The search engine you use will probably look the same but, behind the scenes, Google is changing and it's changing a lot. The tech

giant is creating a publically-traded umbrella company called Alphabet to run its diverse array of businesses. Co-founders Larry Page and Sergey

Brin will run that while Sundar Pichai will become Google's new CEO. Lots of changes. Let's get more analysis. Samuel Burke comes to us now from

New York. All right. Why -- first of all, explain the new structure.

SAMUEL BURKE, BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT, CNN, NEW YORK: Yes, it's quite interesting. It's very rare that you see one of the most recognizable

names in the world opt -- opt for a completely new name, Alphabet. Alpha is because alpha's a term for something that can outperform the general

market, bet because Google thinks they're making a smart bet. So here what you're seeing, Alphabet is the new company. That's the mac daddy, the

overall arching umbrella part of the company. But Google will still exist to us as we know it. That's not going to change. That will

stay in place. You have the search engine, Android, Youtube, apps, and Google Maps, that all remains under the Google umbrella. What they're

doing here is they're breaking out other parts of the company that really don't have to do with the core, and that core is display adds. So you have

ventures like Fiber, that's the high-speed internet that Google provides here in the United States. That'll be a separately managed division. Then

you have other parts like Calico, that's the part of the company that's developing contact lenses that can help diabetics. And then you have other

places like Nest. Those are the devices for the smart home. And the reason why investors -- I think the reason the stock is up four percent

today is we've heard from investors they wanted clarity from Google. Most people are investing in Google because of the core strength, display ads on

places like the search engine and Youtube, and they wanted to know what was happening with the rest of the money on these projects that even Google

admits are pretty far flung. So they said that this will give them some more clarity but, at the end of the day, co-founders Larry Page and Sergey

Brin will run the larger company, and the former Android boss, Sindar Pichai, he becomes the new and third CEO of Google. But what I'm hearing

over and over again from investors, Hala, clarity. They're going to have a better sense of what's going on at Google and they're saying in their

reports -- each quarterly report they're going to have a clearer sense of what's being broken out and what's making money where, and what's not

making money at Google. Or is that Alphabet?

GORANI: Right. Well, let's --the new CEO now, he's been at Google for 10 years. I'm talking of course there about Sindar Pichai. What is --

why was he selected? What does he bring to the table here?

BURKE: Well, it's interesting. I just got back from Silicon Valley and people have been asking what's going to happen with this guy because

he's so well-know, he's so respected in the Valley. People were thinking that he's actually going to be plucked away from Google and probably to

another company. So this in a way is probably -- you know, it's good for their corporate structure they believe, but this creates another

opportunity for him to have this amazing CEO title of Google. So it helps retain him, and he had a real history, a very strong history, in Silicon

Valley at Google. He created Google toolbar. You don't -- I don't know if you remember that, but that was what you used on Internet Explorer so you

could use the Google search engine. Then he helped create the Chrome browser and people thought, why another browser after Internet Explorer,

Firefox -- Firefox, etcetera, and then he created this browser which is now the most used browser. So here's somebody who has real umph behind him.

And it's interesting. It's an interesting moment for Silicon Valley. Another Indian-born CEO taking over a major technology company. Of course

the other one that comes to mind is the CEO of Microsoft and he tweeted out a congratulatory message to Sindar Pichai a short time ago there. Satya

Nadella, who's of course the CEO of Microsoft, "Congrats. Well deserved." But get this, also the Prime Minister of India tweeting out

"Congratulations to the new CEO of Google." When you got promoted the last time, did the president or prime minister tweet about you, Hala?

GORANI: No, I can't say that anyone's ever tweeted. I think if I'm lucky if my mom tweets about it. But, you know what, if you become CEO.

BURKE: Your mom -- your mom tweets?

GORANI: No, actually she doesn't. But if you become CEO of Google one day, Samuel Burke, I think you'll get well-deserved praise from the

most powerful people in the world of course. It's like being president of a country, isn't it now?

BURKE: I just -- I just want a tweet from you, Hala, that's it. @Halagorani and I'll be happy.

GORANI: You will get one. But think about it. The CEO of Google, the CEO, I mean the heads of huge technology companies, they are making new

rules, they are changing -- they're sitting on piles of cash that more than medium-sized countries have.

BURKE: I know. It's incredible when I was just looking at how much the market cap -- the market capitalization for Google goes up, it goes up

four percent and you're talking about tens of billions of dollars of difference. It's incredible.

GORANI: It's money a country like Greece could use, for instance.

BURKE: Absolutely.

GORANI: Samuel Burke, thanks very much, in New York.

The latest news headlines just ahead. Plus we are live in Damascus. CNN gets a rare first-hand look at daily life for those struggling to get

by as Syria's civil war rages on all around. Also ahead, anger and outrage, clashes break out as Europe's migrant crisis intensifies in

Greece. We'll be right back.


GORANI: Welcome back. Take a look -- let's a look at your headlines. And we'll start with Turkey's President vowing to go after

Kurdish militants until quote not one single terrorist remains. Turkey is intensifying air strikes against the PKK after those deadly attacks against

its security forces. The PKK claimed responsibility for one of those attacks, a bombing in Istanbul.

Also among the top stories, a down day on global markets today after a surprise move from China. The country's Central Bank devalued the Yuan

by nearly two percent against the dollar. It's the largest devaluation in two decades.

New details emerging today about the investigation into the downing of flight MH-17. Possible parts from a surface-to-air missile have been

found in the area where the plane was shot. Investigators are still examining them and warn they haven't confirmed, if they are, that caused

the crash.

Japan has restarted its first nuclear reactor since the 2011 Fukushima disaster. Reactor number one at the Sendai plant passed strict

safety regulations, but anti-nuclear activists say the government is ignoring seismic and volcanic risks. And there are concerns the reactor is


Despite months of diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and Russia have failed to find common ground on a key issue in the Syrian civil war, the fate of

President Bashar al-Assad. Talks today ended without agreement. Russia argue that a coalition to fight ISIS militants must include Assad. The

Syrian President has been a long-term Russian ally. Saudi Arabia, however, says Mr. Assad is part of the problem, not the solution.

ADEL AL-JUBEIR, SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): We believe that the main source, the main reason behind the creation of

Islamic state was the behavior of Bashar al-Assad because he directed his weapons, not against Islamic state, but against his own people. That's why

we do not see a place for Bashar al-Assad in the Syria future.

GORANI: The Syrian civil war of course has dragged on with devastating consequences since 2011, with hundreds of thousands of deaths

and no end in sight. For people living in the country, it's meant dealing with major daily hardships. And I'm talking about those who are able to

stay within their own country. So many have fled. CNN is getting some rare insight into daily life in Syria. This week our own Fred Pleitgen is

live in Damascus. Hi, Fred.

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN, LONDON: Hi, Hala. You're absolutely right. The hardships certainly are getting

more for people who are here in Damascus. One of the things that we've seen in the past couple of hours is that there has actually been increased

artillery shelling here in the Syrian capitol. One of the interesting things that's happened over the past couple of months is that the battle

lines here in Damascus seem to be more entrenched than they were before. You have the rebels in certain areas, who really haven't been able to make

any sort of gains but also haven't lost very much territory. And they are often getting pounded by the artillery of the Syrian government, which is

also something that we saw tonight happen quite frequently. For the people themselves, they have to deal with a lot of hardships. There's a lot of

goods that are very difficult to get. One of the other things that's a problem is that the goods that you can get are a lot more expensive than

they were before. And there's one area specifically where people have a lot of trouble, and that is getting fuel for their vehicles, but also of

course for other things as well. Today we tried it ourselves to get fuel here in Damascus. Here's what happens.

Driving here in Damascus has actually become really difficult since the onset of the civil war. There's a lot of traffic, obviously because of

the many checkpoints that are here in the city. But one thing that's also become really hard is actually getting fuel. Now what you have is there

are certain days where there won't be any fuel at all, where the gas stations will simply be closed. But very often the people, especially in

summer, have to wait very, very long. There're some who tell us that they spend hours in lines, trying to get gasoline. And that's actually exactly

what we're going to try to do right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The fuel prices has really increased and it makes life very difficult. You can sometimes pay as much

as a fifth of your salary just for gasoline. It's (hot)(ph). Because it's not just fuel that's gotten more expensive, but pretty much all other goods

as well.

PLEITGEN: It really is difficult to move your way forwards in these gasoline lines. I'm not actually very good at it. Trying to force your

way into these little spaces. And what happens is that people get really angry. There's a lot of honking going on sometimes fights break out here.

And so what's happened is that the Syrians have actually deployed military personnel or security personnel to these gas stations to make sure that

people don't break out into fistfights. And the way these gas stations work is that you have one or two lines for regular people, then you'll have

a line for the military, which obviously means they get fuel a lot quicker, and then you also have a line for government workers. So there is a sort

or hierarchy here as well. The other big problem that people here deal with is, aside from the fact that it takes very long to actually get fuel,

it's also become much more expensive. And people that we've been speaking to here at the gas station say that the fuel prices have increased four-

fold, so it's four times as expensive today as it was about a year ago. And of course the prices keep rising as the crisis keeps going on. Now it

has some dips as well. There'll be times when the government will be able to get more fuel, and then the prices will decrease for a little while.

But by and large, they do keep going up. So getting fuel is something that is really important to people here and certainly something that isn't easy.

Of course something that also feeds into that hardship, Hala, is that of course the salaries here in Syria have by no means increased. In fact,

they've decreased in many cases. Unemployment is something that's also a lot higher as well. So people aren't making more money to be able to pay

for all of these things. And then of course you also have the fact that that increased fuel also means it's more expensive to get things like fruit

and vegetables here into the city to sell them. So this is really a whole snowball effect of rising prices as the fuel crisis goes on. And one of

the other things people have to deal with as well that we time and again here is very long power outages, not just here in Damascus, but in other

places as well. So certainly it is very, very difficult for the folks who, as you said, were able to stay here. And then on top of that you still

have a lot of people who are coming in from the areas, for instance, that have just been taken over by ISIS and are internally displaced and coming

here to places like Damascus. And that makes the problem even bigger, Hala.

GORANI: All right. Fred Pleitgen in Damascus. Thanks very much. Syria's civil war has led many to flee the country, as we've been

discussing. And for some Europe is a dream destination for a new life. However, clashes erupted today between police and crowds of migrants newly

arrived in Greece. Take a look at these pictures from the Greek island of Kos. Some 2,000 migrants had their registration delayed. Tensions rose.

Kos is a common entry point for migrants. It's very close to Turkey. But reality of what they find does not always meet or match expectations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't see we are in Europe. I see we are in third world countries. No toilets, no water. People have been waiting for

more than 10 years -- 10 days. What can I say? Is this Europe? If this is Europe, we're going back to Syria.

GORANI: Some Syrian refugees do stay, of course, and some press on all the way to the edge of mainland Europe to Calais, where the migrant

crisis is also escalating. Thousands of migrants have tried to enter the channel tunnel through the French terminal to reach the U.K. By foot it's

dangerous. They often get caught. CNN spoke to one Syrian hoping to make that journey. Kellie Morgan has the story.

KELLIE MORGAN, PRODUCER, CNN, LONDON: A Syrian father of two shows us where he sleeps in Calais' so-called jungle. These are his only

belongings. So different to what he had.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I owned by house in (Brotba)(ph). Also one in Damascus. I had a happy life.

MORGAN: Now (Abe Mohammed) (ph), which is not his real name, says he lives in fear of both the Syrian government and ISIS.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Our home is destroyed. We spent a year with (Dash)(ph). It was difficult life. We escaped from

them. There were too many restrictions, even religion. They have harmed religion. For them it's just a cover.

MORGAN: Raqqa remains the de facto capitol for the Islamic state in Syria and is a regular target of coalition air strikes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Today our children have lost their smile. They only know fear. The sounds of bombs, explosions. Today

they live in terror.

MORGAN: (Abe Mohammed)(ph) fled Damascus on July 3rd, in the hope of finding sanctuary for his family who remain in Syria. He crossed into

Lebanon and a day later arrived in Turkey, where he stayed for two weeks before boarding a boat in Izmir, bound for Greece. After four days at

Athens, (Abe Mohammed) crossed into Macedonia, where he took a train to Serbia before walking to Hungary. From there the journey was by car,

through Austria and Germany. He then boarded a train to France, arriving in Calai 28 days after he left home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): When we left Turkey we got lost at sea for around seven hours. We nearly drowned several times. On

the road from Hungary we encountered gangs, bandits.

MORGAN: After traveling more than 5,600 kilometers, this is not the destination (Abe Mohammed) envisioned.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Here at the camp we sleep on the ground. There is nothing else. They offer us only one meal a day.

Some charities offer us some help. Nothing else. We have to queue up for the bathroom. You have to be there on time between 12 to 3 pm, or you miss


MORGAN: Like hundreds of other migrants, he still hopes to get to the U.K., just 33 kilometers across the English Channel, so close yet still

so very far.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I'm not worried about my own life, but I'm worried about the future of the young children who need

education. Education is important, especially for Muslims. It is the path to paradise.

MORGAN: A path that for now remains closed. Kellie Morgan, CNN, Calais, France.

GORANI: And if you want to see what this camp looks like, there are pictures on It gives you an idea really of the terrible

conditions some of these migrants live in.

This is "The World Right Now." After the break, arrests in Missouri are happening both in and outside of Ferguson. Police led away dozens of

people in St. Louis yesterday, including well-known activists like Deray McKesson. I'll talk to him live after this.


GORANI: The tense situation in Ferguson, Missouri. The city remains under a state of emergency. Expect police to be on patrol again tonight

after more demonstrations and more arrests last night. Protestors are marching to mark of course the first anniversary of the police shooting and

the death of Michael Brown. During daylight hours on Monday, police made dozens more arrests at a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest in St. Louis.

You can see here author and professor and civil rights activist Cornell West being led away. He was among several prominent activists who were

arrested yesterday. Another is Deray McKesson, and Deray McKesson joins me now live from Ferguson.

I understand there's a bit of commotion there around the police station area where you. Deray, we were planning on taking you live in

vision, but you're on the phone for that reason. Can you tell us what's going on?

DERAY MCKESSON, AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: No, it's actually calm right now. The media is actually being removed from across the street

by the (inaudible), but they are not currently (inaudible) right now.

GORANI: All right. So it's calm but it's just their satellite truck was moved, which is why we're talking to you on the phone.

McKESSON: Correct.

GORANI: Tell us what happened yesterday.

McKESSON: As the protest continued there were a couple actions. There were four actions yesterday where protestors continued the work of

confronting efforts (inaudible) at killing people. Remember the police have killed (inaudible) people since August. They paralyzed one and

another one is in critical condition. So the protests remain because injustice remains.

GORANI: But you were arrested. What was it exactly that you were charged with? You were in front of the Justice Department building in St.

Louis, correct?

McKESSON: Yes, because people were -- there was an action that the (inaudible) he had organized, (inaudible) the Justice Department about

their actions across the country and definitely he had in Ferguson with the consent decree. Remember the Ferguson City Council, pushing back on the

consent decree and not participating fully with the Department of Justice. And I was arrested because my partner, (inaudible), she was filming the

police and got arrested, and was questioning her arrest and they arrested me as well.

GORANI: I find it interesting. Who arrested you because something you tweeted out was that the Department of Homeland Security was monitoring

your e-mail, and that you received documents to confirm this, and that someone also tweeted out that officers from the Department of Homeland

Security were -- were stopping people. Is that what you witnessed and experienced?

McKESSON: No, what happened yesterday, as I said, is St. Louis Metro Police (changed the videos)(ph) they made the arrests and put us in the

custody of the U.S. Marshalls. And then at the very end of the processing, officers from the Department of Homeland Security are the people who

actually gave us the (ticket)(ph).

GORANI: I see, and what about this idea that somehow you feel like - - because you're one of the most prominent activists. You start these hashtag campaigns that really get people talking, especially since other

cases of, of, of -- prominent cases of, of black men who lost their lives at the hands of police. Do you feel you're being watched or monitored?

McKESSON: Yes, I know I'm being watched and monitored. It doesn't change the way that I do the work. I'll never be afraid to tell the truth.

I mean that's important to me. So the work continues. You know, I'm thoughtful about my safety and how I protect information. But again, ever

since there (inaudible), I'm pretty sure that the police still (inaudible) the people quietly tweeted. So, there's that.

GORANI: And do you think anything is changing, lastly I've got to ask you because it's been one year now since the death of Michael Brown.

And we've talked a lot, even internationally, about these cases and the campaigns that you've helped start. Are you sensing a shift on any level?

McKESSON: Yes, I think that, you know, a year later there's a national conversation about police and race that just did not exist a year

ago. People are more critical of police narratives and more open to questioning than they ever have been. And that matters. You know, we

spent a year trying to expose and convince -- expose police violence and convince people about it, and we've done it. People now accept the crisis

across the country. They accept it. And the need to change. The next year of the work will be about (inaudible). About how do we understand

what's possible, and then building that world again.

GORANI: Deray McKesson, thanks very much for joining us from Ferguson, Missouri, and telling us about your experience over the last

several days as well. Thanks for joining us on the line there.

A lot more coming up. He's known for playing the world's most famous detective. So how will Benedict Cumberbatch embrace Shakespeare's most

famous, tragic hero? We'll have that special story for you after the break.


GORANI: Decades after World War II ended, the conflict is still having an impact on life in London, believe it or not. Today hundreds of

people in the British capitol had to be evacuated after an unexploded bomb was discovered. Ian Lee has that.

IAN LEE, CORRESPONDENT, CNN, CAIRO: London's darkest hour during World War II, thousands upon thousands of German bombs raining down on the

city. Eight months in history simply known as the Blitz. Each dot here represents a strike in London. Pull back and you can see its enormity.

But some never exploded and generations later they are still being unearthed. The latest, a 500-pound bomb found by builders in East London.

Authorities quickly evacuated more than a hundred residents, some to a nearby school.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: One of our boys, he was upstairs. He said to me, Ma'am, and he said they're found a bomb. Round the corner in

(Weekly)(ph) Street.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Not really scary per se. Because I think this happens quite a lot.

LEE: Residents may be fairly nonchalant about having an unexploded bomb in their neighborhood, just a few blocks away, but you have to

remember in the 1940s this death from above instilled absolute terror inside the people of London.

Roughly 30,000 Londoners would lose their lives among the rubble. Bomb disposal experts, veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,

successfully diffused and removed the explosive. It's unknown how many bombs from World War II remain entombed under London. And with the 75th

anniversary of the battle of Britain this summer, these bombs serve as a reminder of the horrors of war. Ian Lee, CNN, London.

GORANI: Well, during Monday night's show we shared how actor Benedict Cumberbatch felt about the audience using cell phones during his

performance of Hamlet in London, filming him in particular. Doesn't like it all, says it's distracting. Shakespeare's tragic here is an iconic role

many famous actors have taken on through the years. Isa Soares has that.

ISA SOARES, INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT AND ANCHOR, CNN, LONDON: This award-winning performance from Laurence Olivier as Shakespeare's

Hamlet came with international accolades. Since then other leading actors have stepped forward to take on this dramatic role. Richard Burton,

Michael Redgrave, Jonathan Pryce, Kenneth Branagh, Daniel Day-Lewis, Ralph Fiennes, Jude Law, Michael Sheen, John Gielgud, all braved this stage. Now

that role is being taken up by "Sherlock" star, Benedict Cumberbatch.

BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH, ENGLISH ACTOR AND FILM PRODUCER (on videotape): I hardly knew myself, Mrs. Hudson. That's the trouble with dismembered

country squires.

ED KEMP, ARTISTIC DIRECTOR, ROYAL ACADEMY OF DRAMATIC ART, LONDON: What we are paying to see an actor is their imagination, their talent,

their egos. And in the end, any great performance is an extraordinary fusion of the writer, the director's imagination, and the actor's

imagination. And that's what we're paying for.

SOARES: Cumberbatch fans it seems are already excited about his performance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's going to do something different with it, like so many actors have done. Like Jude Law's done and (inaudible) Shaw,

you know. David Tennant, they've all done something different with it. And it's just -- I think it's, it's every actor's dream, isn't it?

SOARES: Despite the dream role, it seem Cumberbatch hasn't taken too well to fans using their phones during his performance.

CUMBERBATCH: I can cameras, I can see red lights in the auditorium.

SOARES: This is a demanding role for any top actor. It is a marathon of a play, absolutely relentless, three hours long. So you

imagine concentration is very much required, and that's not easy to do when you have these things blinking in the audience.

CUMBERBATCH: It's mortifying and there's nothing less supportive or (enjoyable)(ph) than that to be on stage experiencing that.

SOARES: Cumberbatch has a large and young TV following, thanks in part to his "Sherlock" role. But with all the excitement, can his fans

stay away from social media for the duration of the play?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe he should have one performance where everybody can tape it but, for the majority of the performances, I think

he's quite right. Turn your phones off. They deserve all the respect they can get. To be on a stage, you know, have rehearsed for months I'm sure.

And it's -- that's the least you can give them.

SOARES: Isa Soares, CNN, London.

GORANI: Finally, it may not be everyone's idea of a treat, but for astronauts on the International Space Station, red Romaine lettuce is on

the menu and it was grown in space. One of NASA's goals is to figure how to grow food in space for future long-term missions. The growth system was

tested on earth, and the plants were checked for safety. Half of this harvest will be sent back for more testing.

I'm Hala Gorani. Don't forget you can get the latest news and interviews and analysis from my Facebook page.

We always appreciate your input and thanks for dropping by, and thanks for being with us this hour as well as we come to you live from London. This

has been "The World Right Now." After a quick break, it is Quest Means Business.