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More Trouble in Ferguson; Breastfeeding Another Woman`s Child; Sexual Reassignment Surgery for Convicted Murderer;
Aired August 12, 2015 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DREW PINSKY, DR. DREW HOST: All right. I`ve got a ton to get into tonight. I`ve got a woman that is breastfeeding not just her son but the
son`s friend who she`s babysitting. Put that back where it was, guys. Put that back where it was.
And also we have Ferguson and I have sexual reassignment surgery for a prisoner who is a murderer -- put it back where it was. Put it back in the
beginning here, geez. Police brutality accusations in Ferguson. Watch this tape.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- I want some specifics.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- a shot. The middle of the street, in front of his community. The officer got off. This community is still trying to
recover from this injustice. That`s what we`re not addressing. We`re talking about protesters and vigilantes but we`re not dealing with this
system that fails this community.
JEFFREY ROORDA, ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION: We ought to be talking about the root issues here, not distracting everybody on the
country with this big lie which started with this hands up, don`t shoot myth.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And they should not have declared a state of emergency. As you can see today, there`s no longer a state of emergency
because they were just too quick on the trigger.
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PINSKY: So what is police supposed to do? To step back and let people run through the city and loot if they want? That`s it? Just (how
about it).
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PATRICIA BYNES, FERGUSON TOWNSHIP DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEEWOMAN: They have to step up to restore law and order. Well, I`m not protesting to
defend lawlessness, I`m here to question police brutality, inappropriate police tactics.
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PINSKY: All right, I`d like to introduce my guests. I have Rolonda, thank you for joining us. I have Areva. I have Mike Catherwood. I`ve got
Segun. I have Jena who of course always -- a pleasure to have you guys.
Let`s get into this Ferguson situation. Are things as bad as they`ve always been in Ferguson? Is another night ahead? Are we looking for more
trouble here? Areva.
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: I think things are a lot better. But as I`ve been saying on the program, (they have to do) so much work to be done. We
have this community that is on edge because of the violence against African-American men.
We have to talk about Ferguson in the broader context of what`s happening around the country with unarmed men. Twenty-four African-
American men unarmed men killed by the police this year alone. So, that`s a startling statistics that we have to deal with when we talk about
Fergusson and what we expect as the country moves forward.
PINSKY: John Cardillo, I`ve got you. I didn`t have chance to introduce you. But are police using excessive force or is this
appropriately measured response to a serious situation?
JOHN CARDILLO, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: I think it`s an appropriately measured response. And I want to read some stats because the -- the -- the
narrative that police were indiscriminately killing black men is a false one. Peter Moskos, an associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal
Justice in New York compiled statistics from (net) 2013 to 2015 (just did a study).
White men, when you adjust police shootings for the violent crime rate, white men are 1.7 times more likely to be killed by the police than
black men. In fact, during the term of the study, 2,100 and some (odd) white men were killed. And I believe I have the numbers in front of me
actually. There were -- here we go. From 1999 to 2011, of the span of a decade, 2,151 white men killed by police and 1,130 black men. One thousand
more white men than black men.
(CROSSTALK)
ROLONDA WATTS, HOST "ROLONDA ON DEMAND": But what a minute, 25 --
CARDILLO: One thousand more --
WATTS: But my stats, the ones that I read today say that 25 percent of those shot dead by police are black men who only represent 13 percent of
the American population.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Right. (Wait a minute) like there`s way more white people.
CARDILLO: Hold on. Hold on.
MARTIN: And when we`re talking about statistics --
CARDILLO: Good point. Wait a minute.
PINSKY: John?
CARDILLO: Hold on. One point there. You have to adjust for the crime. So these statistics are looked at in the context of the police
engaging people, suspected of committing crimes. When you look at that, blacks are 13 percent of the population, but responsible for 51 percent of
the violent crime. So when you adjust --
MARTIN: That is an absolute false way to have this conversation, to talk about what`s happening in Ferguson. The unarmed men that have been
shot by police weren`t engaged in crimes.
PINSKY: John, hold on.
MARTIN: Sam DuBose didn`t committing a crime. Freddie Gray wasn`t committing a crime. Sandra Bland wasn`t committing a crime. Walter Scott
wasn`t committing a crime. So when you talk about committing a crime, you`ve got to separate. You can`t have this conversation.
CARDILLO: Hold on a second --
MARTIN: You`re conflating two different concepts.
CARDILLO: No, I`m not.
MARTIN: You are.
CARDILLO: No, I`m not so let me speak. Black men are not indiscriminately shot by the police. The media fabrication and (cons)
representationalism -- let me finish -- I`ve always said that Michael Slager and the Walter Scott case should have been indicted, should be
prosecuted for murder. So, that`s a red herring.
However, Sam DuBose had felony weight marijuana in his car. He was committing a crime in every sense of the word.
(CROSSTALK)
[21:05:00] MARTIN: Sam DuBose was not stopped by the police because he was committing a crime. He was stopped for a minor traffic violation.
He was stopped for a minor traffic violation and because of the excessive force by the police he was shot dead.
CARDILLO: Hold on. Officers showing (Bolton) stopped the car for a minor traffic violation and got blown away, shot and killed. So stop with
this minor --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Well, let me -- John, hold on. Let me brief another case in here. It`s one of Zachary Hammond. He was shot and killed by a police in
South Carolina during a marijuana bust (can was the) situation. Zachary was white. The officer was white and yet no outrage about this case.
And the parents are asking for a federal investigation that is as rigorous as the one for Mike Brown or any other interracial shooting. And
yet not clear at all what`s going to happen here --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well --
WATTS: I feel sorry for those --
PINSKY: Yes, none of this is good.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Let me bring you up --
WATTS: And once again -- but once again, here we are, asking the question, why is another unarmed young man, I don`t care what color he is
because we do ourselves a disservice if we don`t just look at this as a humane issue.
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: And if the -- here we are again in a situation where there is no need for deadly force and there`s an unarmed person killed again. A
young -- unarmed young man.
PINSKY: (I want to hear what you`re going.)
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Well, yes, I mean, as the only black man on the panel let`s look at it this way, since I`m most
likely the one to walk out of this studio --
PINSKY: But wait, I`m the only white male. I`m like Zachary.
ODUOLOWU: (Hold out) --
PINSKY: At least I don`t point him.
ODUOLOWU: No. I wasn`t -- I wasn`t going to point (to mine) but all I was going to do is point at the numbers. So if you do 9 times 24, that`s
an average of a black man being killed in America by the cops every nine days.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.
ODUOLOWU: Right? Every nine days, a black man is being shot in America dead this year. Now, my heart goes out to the parents of that
child who was killed in South Carolina and white kid and sitting in his car and was for marijuana possession. But it is an -- it is a -- it is a
preponderance of black people being brutalized by the cops.
And my thing is, forget color. Deal with the boys in blue. Like, these are the people that are supposed to be trained in conflict
resolution. So, why are they resolving these conflicts with violence?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With death.
ODUOLOWU: With violence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With death.
MARTIN: Let me give two points about Zachary Hammond. First of all, the department of justice have stepped up and said they are going to
investigate Zachary Hammond`s murder by the police. And second, Dr. Drew, we should talk about black lives matter because they are the ones that took
to the internet, they took to twitter, they took to social media to raise awareness about the Zachary Hammond case. So they have aligned themselves
to say that it`s not just black people --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
MARTIN: -- who are shot by the police. The statistics show that if you are poor in America, --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
MARTIN: -- you are much more likely to be killed by the police.
PINSKY: Oh, this is --
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Ninety-five percent of people killed by police are from poor neighborhoods. If you make $200,000 or more, you have a much better chance
of never being attacked by --
PINSKY: Isn`t that the conversation that we never have, is about class and the socio economics --
MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S "LOVELINE" CO-HOST: There`s no -- there`s no argument to be had.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: I mean, if you make a certain amount of money you`re going to be treated disproportionately differently than people who don`t.
I mean, and also the same reason -- everyone -- now, Dr. Drew, we`ve dealt with it on radio for the past couple of weeks. You know, why is it when a
police officer shoots a white man it does not make the news?
And it`s -- I mean, it`s very simple. I mean, because of the history of not only the interaction of the black community with police but also
just the history of Black Americans. It`s different. There`s history. Yes.
PINSKY: Right. There`s history, there`s the socio economic issue and now we have lapel cameras. This is what everyone -- people think of
planning about, we now get to look at it. So people are saying, this is not something --
ODUOLOWU: But even in -- but in that case in Cincinnati with the lapel camera contradicted with the police officer --
PINSKY: Yes. But we had the lapel cameras, you know, we`ve got it at least. We can have this conversation. Listen, it didn`t go down as a
black man attacks a police officer --
ODUOLOWU: Right.
PINSKY: -- and was shot. It doesn`t go down as that at least.
ODUOLOWU: OK.
PINSKY: We`re going to clear this. Later on as I promised, a mother is breastfeeding not just her son but her friend -- the son -- her friend`s
son is a friend of the kid. It`s -- there is the picture. It`s -- we`ve got to decipher that more after this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my goodness.
ALI NEJAD, THE DAILY SHARE HOST: I`m Ali Nejad with the Daily Share at this hour. Nik Wallenda was at it again, this time completing his
longest tightrope walk ever, 1,560 feet over the Wisconsin State Fair. That`s actually 60 feet longer than his walk over the Grand Canyon which
you might remember. And let`s not forget, he doesn`t use a safety net.
And in Texas, two adorable little girls in wheelchairs are showing that they can do the latest dance crazes just as well as anyone. That`s
Mayli and Brooklyn doing the Whip and Nae Nae. Mayli`s mom even started a wheelchair dance class for the other kids. Good on all three of you.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s been a lot of progress in Ferguson. And the people on the ground would tell you that`s the case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s all cosmetic.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s not been the kind of change we`d hope to have seen by this point. There`s been some faces that have changed but the
system itself is still in place.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re ready for what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ready for what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re ready for what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re Ready for what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re ready for what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s still an under representation of African-American officers on the force. You still see African-Americans
being arrested at higher numbers than their counterparts.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything is law enforcement`s fault. No matter what bad behavior is exhibited by the rioters, looters, arsonists, shooter,
somehow that lands on law enforcement`s shoulders.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s all fight back. Let`s all fight back. Let`s all fight back.
MARIA CHAPPELLE-NADAL, MISSOURI STATE SENATOR: People are intimidated by that. They feel even more threatened than they have ever before. And
so that is really indicative that things have not changed whatsoever.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can still protest peacefully because we want to go further but it doesn`t mean we haven`t come a long way.
PINSKY: And Ferguson will remain under a state of emergency at least one more night. Tonight, we`re talking a closer look at police tactics in
there and across the country as well. Back with Rolonda, Areva, Mike, Segun, Jena and John.
Now, Jena you had something about the socializing effects of (Baltimore). Tell me about this.
JENA KRAVITZ, PSY.D. CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes. You know, I was looking at the videos from all of the stories we`re talking about tonight
and I couldn`t help but think to myself, do we live in a community and a society where there`s a level of social conditioning that`s (happened)
where police are conditioned to believe that people are going to be defiant right off the bat, and that`s how they respond?
PINSKY: Well, is that that they`re socialized or is that they`re experience?
KRAVITZ: Well, but --
PINSKY: Or both?
KRAVITZ: Through their experiences they`ve been socialized or conditioned --
PINSKY: Got it.
KRAVITZ: -- to believe that people -- their base line is defiant. They can work their way up from there. The other -- vice versa. Are
people predisposed or conditioned to believe that police are there to cause more harm? I mean, I don`t know about you but I get pulled over for
having, like, my windows tinted too dark and my heart`s going a mile a minute. And I don`t know why, I`m not a convicted felon but --
PINSKY: I think, imagine if your mom had told you or you have the data that Segun just given us before the break or your mom have told you be
careful. Was it your mom that was saying she was afraid of the police?
WATTS: Well, I think -- Essence Magazine asked black women across America and it was overwhelming, more than 80 percent of the women polled
were saying that they were afraid of police.
[21:15:00] PINSKY: So the socializing on top of the whatever it is we see --
KRAVITZ: Yes.
PINSKY: -- with these authority figures with guns in blue outfits stuff.
KRAVITZ: Right. So in something like this where we see all these people getting crazy, they see a police officer and they don`t think police
are here to help. Police is here to make us feel safe. They think the police are here, there`s going to be more problems, more violence, more
weapons.
MARTIN: I think that`s a good question, Jena. But as a lawyer that has represented family members and individuals who have been shot or killed
by the police, we have to look at the history. You know, I`m a big, you know, fan of looking historically at what has happened in this country.
And historically, African-Americans have not been treated the same as non-African-Americans in the criminal justice system. That DOJ report in
Ferguson tells the entire story. It tells about the systemic racism in that police department.
So if you have a community that`s been under siege for decades, it`s very hard for that community to feel any trust when they do see an officer
--
WATTS: But there --
MARTIN: -- that might leave them some good but that distrust is so deep and so entrenched.
KRAVITZ: Yes.
WATTS: But there`s also some really good news to report. The Washington Post just did a big poll and they found that more than 50
percent of the whites polled agree that there need to be some major changes for black and white equal rights. Now, that`s up from 39 percent just last
year. So there is --
PINSKY: OK. So Ferguson had a positive effect. John, do you see this as a positive evolution that we`re looking at these things critically,
or is it -- are we getting the story wrong?
CARDILLO: Look up, a critical review is always a good thing. I mean, it`s a good thing in your profession in medicine, it`s a good thing in law
enforcement. But there`s a bigger, you know, there`s a bigger issue here that this panel never talks about.
The BBC, and it`s unfortunate that we have to go outside the country for accurate reporting. BBC did an awesome story this week. I suggest
everyone Google it and find it.
On all of the other young black men in the same cemetery as Michael Brown killed by other young black men in the Ferguson area in the last
year. Black on black violence is ignored. If you are to listen to this panel to many others, you would think the police are indiscriminately
running around killing young black men who would otherwise be leaving in a unicorn and rainbow utopia where no crime is committed.
The real epidemic, the real scourge, you can -- if people can laugh and giggle. It is young black men --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: John, every --
MARTIN: That makes our blood boil.
PINSKY: But every time I have (Crystal) right in here, she goes right to that point.
CARDILLO: Why?
MARTIN: It makes our blood boil because we`re talking about police who are acting under the color of authority. These people are hired and
trained and given a badge and gun to protect and to serve. Yes, black on black crime is an issue but you can`t talk about black on black crime is
excused. What the police are doing --
PINSKY: They are separate issue.
MARTIN: -- separate issue.
PINSKY: Separate issue.
CARDILLO: Hold on --
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Yes, we need to deal with black on black crime but we have to deal with the systemic racism and I`m just --
CARDILLO: What systemic racism?
MARTIN: Did you read the Department of Justice report? You want us to look at a BBC article?
CARDILLO: Hold on. OK --
MARTIN: Start with the Department of Justice report out of Ferguson. That`s what you need to start with. Why are we looking outside the
country? Look at that DOJ report.
CARDILLO: No, I don`t need to start with that. I don`t need to start with that because Ferguson is a predominantly black area. So of course
blacks are going to be stopped and (summons) more. But your argument isn`t even with the police, it`s with the legislature --
MARTIN: It`s a little hard to have an argument.
PINSKY: OK. Hold on, John. Hold on a second.
CATHERWOOD: But I think he does bring up a good point. I mean, if you`re just going to analyze statistics of the law enforcement in Ferguson
being that the majority of the population is black. I mean, how is it not going to be skewed towards almost anything, you know?
MARTIN: That doesn`t excuse racial profiling to say that --
(CROSSTALK)
CATHERWOOD: No, without question you`re right. Without question.
MARTIN: -- living in a black community doesn`t mean that white police officers should racially profile (men).
PINSKY: Listen let me -- let me show you another --
MARTIN: I don`t understand the logic of that argument that you want to make.
PINSKY: There`s another layer -- another layer I want to bring in here. Jena, you`ll appreciate this.
KRAVITZ: Yes.
PINSKY: This is -- you know, law enforcement and the incarceration system has become the mental health care delivery system. And that`s just
the (laugh resort), it`s become the system. We report on something a while ago, a guy named Jason Harris who was a schizophrenic who was shot and
killed by police when his mom called them for help with his psychotic state.
We have -- we have the pictures of this. It really was awful if you remembered. The guy was -- he was just sort of, you know, in need of help
but he comes out and gets shot and killed and that`s that. But, Jena, how are we going to help train officers better to be mental health sensitive to
these mental health issues.
KRAVITZ: Yes. He --
PINSKY: They don`t have to use violence against people. We deal with them actually all the time.
KRAVITZ: Actually, it`s probably even worse to use violence, Dr. Drew, right?
PINSKY: Of course.
KRAVITZ: Because these people have compromised reality testing. And at the end of the day, what these very special people with mental illness
are is afraid. They`re afraid. Their own inner turmoil is confusing, let alone trying to integrate what`s going on in the outside world.
They are afraid, so they get agitated. And then an police officer comes at them. This was a really really unfortunate and horrifying --
PINSKY: And then -- and often these are people of color. We can add race into the whole thing --
WATTS: But we also --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me -- let me --
WATTS: But it`s also a real clear indication. Back in 1999, on the corner of La Brea, Margaret Mitchell was shot. Remember the homeless lady
with the shopping cart and had the screwdriver?
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: Here we are with the exact same situation.
KRAVITZ: Right.
WATTS: That case was landmarked in terms of it helped police officers or were supposedly helping police officers --
PINSKY: Train.
WATTS: -- understand, --
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: -- train them how to deal with the mentally ill.
[21:20:00] KRAVITZ: And I think there was a statistics that I read that said that only 25 percent of police officers are actually trained in
mentally health --
ODUOLOWU: But I`m not mentally ill. I`m not mentally ill and I`m --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I`m adding a layer. I`m adding a layer.
ODUOLOWU: Because I`m on borrowed time. If one -- if a black man is being killed in America by a cop every nine days, I`m on borrowed time.
PINSKY: Segun, you`re not on borrowed --
ODUOLOWU: Come on, but Dr. Drew you said --
PINSKY: Are you 1 of 20 black American does not mean you`re --
CATHERWOOD: Segun, you`re not a criminal either. It does make a difference.
ODUOLOWU: No, but what -- but I did --
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All I said --
ODUOLOWU: -- but what I did follow -- but I did follow --
CATHERWOOD: -- if we`re going to analyze -- if we`re going to analyze these black men, white men, anyone that has been shot men in the media has
been --
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- a football player who has been shot --
(CROSSTALK)
CATHERWOOD: You`re right. But overwhelming -- the overwhelming majority -- overwhelming majority is --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Mike. Let him make a point. Nice and quiet. Go ahead.
CATHERWOOD: So the overwhelming majority of these police actions, whether they end in violence or they end in a fatality, they did start from
somewhere from someone, whether it be a minor crime like a taillight or changing lanes inappropriately without a signal or a significant crime like
felony possession. Down the line, these are criminals that are breaking the law --
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Mike, that is ridiculous.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- a criminal?
PINSKY: It may be ridiculous but we have to leave it there.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- in not a crime.
CATHERWOOD: No, listen I am not --
PINSKY: Guy, I appreciate it. We got to leave it there. Next, a convicted killer is getting a sex change surgery. I`m going to switch the
topic to that because we can argue about is that or isn`t that appropriate? But the real question is should taxpayers flip the bill. As of now, they
are. We`ll talk about it after this.
[21:25:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shiloh Quine, a 56-year old transgender inmate will be getting a sex change operation courtesy of California taxpayers.
Quine was convicted of first-degree murder, kidnapping and robbery in 1981 and is serving a life sentence without possibility of parole.
Seven years ago, she started living openly as a woman and claims she`s been subjected to harassment by staff and in mates. Medical experts say
she suffers from severe gender dysphoria. She`s attempted suicide on multiple occasions and has even tried to castrate herself, according to
legal documents. A settlement dictates that Quine receives the surgery as soon as possible and then be transferred to a woman`s prison.
PINSKY: And Quine`s lawyers say the surgery will cost between $15,000 and $25,000. Back with Rolonda, Areva, Mike, Segun and Jena. And joining
us Isley Reust, transgender musician. Rolonda, should taxpayers have to pay this?
WATTS: I don`t think so, Dr. Drew. Listen, I am for transgender. I`ve done shows on it on rolondaondemand.com. I`ve (all for). But this
one got me, particularly because it`s a first-degree murder, you know. I think -- if you took somebody`s life, you don`t deserve to get the life
that you want in prison.
PINSKY: Now, Areva, what`s the constitution say about that?
MARTIN: Oh, the constitution says even prisoners are entitled adequate --
PINSKY: Even murderers?
MARTIN: Even felons, the most heinous felons are entitled to adequate medical care while they`re in prison. So, I`m sorry. This transgender
person is absolutely entitled to the best medical care, including --
PINSKY: Well, that`s the question. The best or adequate?
ODUOLOWU: No, you just -- yes, you just went a full lawyer and I don`t think everybody in America caught that. Adequate and the best. OK.
So --
MARTIN: Well -- so that`s for her medical condition.
ODUOLOWU: OK. Here`s the problem. There are transgender youths on the street that have committed no crime that are suffering every day --
WATTS: Every day.
ODUOLOWU: -- that do not get the same treatment that a convicted murderer is going to get? Not only is that appalling, it`s downright --
it`s disgusting, to be honest with you.
I`m not against transgender or anything like that and I am for mental health awareness, but a murderer has forfeited their rights, first of all,
to be in collective society. They should not be treated better than those who are suffering that -- who have committed no crime. I find that to be
appalling.
(CROSSTALK)
WATTS: I agree.
PINSKY: Yes. And so -- hey, and so Jena, so there are medical treatments other than surgery that have great benefit.
KRAVITZ: Absolutely.
PINSKY: Does she have to get the surgery?
KRAVITZ: Apparently, according to the documentation we`ve seen they have exhausted all of the other medical interventions.
PINSKY: So that means she failed other treatments?
KRAVITZ: She`s failed everything and this has been the medically necessary by medical and mental health examiners that are highly trained
people and multiple people by the way. She`s been evaluated by numbers of people who have agreed unanimously that this is necessary.
PINSKY: So Isley, how do we reconcile all this?
ISLEY REUST, TRANSGENDER MUSICIAN: I think that either she`s tried killing herself multiple times. And, you know, it`s not fair definitely
for people on the outside of prison not to have the same coverage as her. But I --
PINSKY: But (legally), if I were a transgender individual needing surgery, I think --
(CROSSTALK)
ODUOLOWU: Like, why don`t I commit a crime and go to jail so that I can look on the outside like I feel on the inside? I mean, are we in crazy
town?
PINSKY: Let Isley finish. Go ahead.
REUST: There definitely needs to be something to where people on the outside and the inside have a standard health care bracket that`s set for
them. You know, I don`t agree with what she did definitely and I do feel she needs to be in prison for that, what she did. But I do think that she
needs a proper medical care.
PINSKY: And I`ll tell you what like if she -- of she auto castrates herself, it`s going to cost the taxpayer $15,000, $20,000 for just saving
her life.
CATHERWOOD: Right. I mean, that was another point I was going to make is that I think we under estimate how much we as taxpayers pay for
mental illness in, you know, for incarcerated inmates already.
PINSKY: Oh, yeah.
CATHERWOOD: But on top of that, I think -- you know, I`m curious, in your opinion, Dr. Drew, what if an individual has AIDS and there`s only an
exploratory, really expensive procedure would save his or her life?
PINSKY: That is the question. Areva, that`s what --
CATHERWOOD: What is essential?
PINSKY: Right. When is it adequate and when is it --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Also that she shouldn`t be in a male prison at all. She should be in a female prison. And to be in a female prison, she
has to have the gender reassignment surgery.
PINSKY: Is that to me --
(CROSSTALK)
ODUOLOWU: -- committed the crime as a man, though.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Yes. But she`s getting abused as of -- and has a --
ODUOLOWU: You forget your rights as a criminal to be treated better than those on the inside. I mean, --
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- proper medical care.
PINSKY: One at a time.
ODUOLOWU: -- and kidnapped someone else.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: One at a time.
CATHERWOOD: And let`s remember regardless of gender dysphoria, a lot of people are abused in jail. I mean, that is --
ODUOLOWU: Right.
CATHERWOOD: -- (good) to say that she now is very, very mistreated because of her gender dysphoria. I`m incredibly sensitive to that. But
there`s plenty of guys and gals who have no gender dysphoria that are being abused greatly.
[21:30:00] ODUOLOWU: Mike, I`d (give you) one better. I can`t (hack it) in a male prison. I`ve got 50 years left on my sentence and I`m
getting beaten up daily so why don`t I just say, "You know what I would like to do? I have an issue where I would like to undergo this surgery so
you can move me to a woman`s prison so I can (hack it) now because I`m getting beaten up. And I got 50 years left on my sentence, so what`s it to
me?" Where does it stop?
PINSKY: Well, Areva, (had it itself).
MARTIN: First of all, let me just correct myself. You`re right. The standard is --
ODUOLOWU: Boom. (God). Finally. Damn.
MARTIN: You`re not right about your argument. I`m correcting myself that the legal standard is not the best medical care --
PINSKY: Adequate.
MARTIN: -- it`s adequate medical care. And you all are forgetting the eighth amendment. The eighth amendment prohibits the government from
using cruel and unusual punishment. And if you have a person who needs gender assign and surgery -- reassignment surgery and they`re suffering
from, you know, all of the psychological and the physical issues that they suffer from. And doctors, independent doctors as well as government
doctors, have determined that that is the treatment that this individual needs, definitely, they need it and should get it.
(CROSSTALK)
ODUOLOWU: But what about --
PINSKY: Rolonda.
WATTS: -- family is suffering.
MARTIN: -- and there are nine states -- there are nine states that will also provide those types of surgeries through Medi-Cal and Medicaid.
So if you`re transgender students or teenagers --
PINSKY: Moving on states?
MARTIN: They can also go to Medi-Cal and get that surgery.
ODUOLOWU: About the first commandment, thou shall not kill because that`s what he -- that`s what she did.
WATTS: That`s what she did.
PINSKY: Rolonda.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Yes. I --
WATTS: The real problem that I have is that you`re dealing with a -- with a first-degree murder. Who kidnapped and -- you know, you talk about
the suffering, what about the suffering of the victims` families in all of this? You know, --
(CROSSTALK)
KRAVITZ: I have a question for you. What if this person needed a heart transplant or open heart surgery in order to survive?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It would be covered.
KRAVITZ: It would be covered.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And so this is --
KRAVITZ: Because essentially it`s medically necessary.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: But what if -- but what if there is this terribly expensive brand new procedure and there was a lesser procedure available that was OK.
But, by the way, the data on the gender reassignment surgery is not that good. I mean, when you look at the outcomes, you`ll back me up on this.
KRAVITZ: Absolutely.
PINSKY: The big study shows that the suicidality in some studies goes up after the surgery.
REUST: It saved my life.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (What does it have to do -- )
PINSKY: OK.
REUST: Yes. It saved my life. I paid for it out of my own pocket. And I wouldn`t be against people in prison having it covered, even though I
had to pay for it and I`m a free civilian.
PINSKY: It saved your life, tell me that because that`s what`s important.
REUST: Yes. I was depressed, suicidal and having the gender reassignment surgery and transitioning made me who I am today a stronger
person.
PINSKY: And suicidality went away?
REUST: Yes, exactly. Gone.
(Crosstalk)
PINSKY: OK.
REUST: Yes. I`m happier than ever. And I feel happy in my own body.
PINSKY: We will get -- we`ll keep it going. And later, somebody else is happy on her own body, a breastfeeding mom nursing not just her son but
her friend`s son at the same time. A firestorm of controversy around this woman. We`ll get into it after this.
[21:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This California inmate is serving 17 years to life for second-degree murder. Michelle Norsworthy entered prison as a
male in 1987 but began living as a female in the `90s. Now, a federal judge has ruled the state must pay for the inmate`s sex change surgery.
PINSKY: Michelle Norsworthy, another transgender inmate in California. A few months ago, judge ruled that she was entitled to a sex
change operation but the state has since granted her parole, she was release today. So as a result of being paroled, she can no longer access
her surgery, right?
MARTIN: She (made it though) Medi-Cal.
PINSKY: Nine (sub) states.
MARTIN: As I said California is one of those states, one of nine that does allow Medi-Cal to cover that kind of surgery.
PINSKY: Back with Areva, Rolonda, Mike, Segun, Jena, Isley. All right. So, Areva, would there be a circumstance where if somebody is
paroled, we would, the taxpayers, would still have to foot the bill as if for a prisoner?
MARTIN: No, once they walk out of that prison, the state, at least the prison system is no longer responsible for their medical care. Now as
I said, there are nine states that say that Medi-Cal has to cover and private health insurance has to cover reassignment surgery.
And we should note, that Massachusetts had a similar case. It went to the federal appeals court and the U.S. supreme court refused to review the
case. So as far as federal courts are concerned, the eight amendment is clear. State prisons have to pay for this reassignment surgery. It
doesn`t matter if they`re a murderer or some other kind of, you know, lifer in jail.
ODUOLOWU: This is nonsensical.
PINSKY: Is that true at death row too?
MARTIN: If they are in jail, doesn`t matter what crime they committed.
PINSKY: In spite of what --
(Crosstalk)
MARTIN: And there are medical doctors, there are medical doctors that determine that it`s necessary medical care for a legitimate medical
condition.
ODUOLOWU: How does this not offend your sensibilities? This is like when they swab your arm with alcohol because they give you the lethal
injection. It is nonsensical.
MARTIN: Because I believe in the eighth amendment.
ODUOLOWU: You know what prison has that can take care of all of this because she`s being bullied or she`s being bullied until she gets the
surgery? Put him in solitary.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: You`re -- and it`s much more complex.
ODUOLOWU: OK. Put them in solitary. Put them in solitary.
(CROSSTALK)
KRAVITZ: Prisons have humans. Human who -- human beings who have the right to necessary medical care.
PINSKY: Yes. And then what --
ODUOLOWU: I`m sorry, what she did is inhuman. I`m not giving her that.
PINSKY: Isley, go ahead.
REUST: She`s gone under multiple evaluations to where people note and say that she has gender dysphoria and she should have that treatment.
PINSKY: Well, Isley, help me with this. I`m going to show you a study how this should --
REUST: OK.
PINSKY: But there`s a lot -- there`s no controversy around the hormonal and therapeutic treatment of transgender individuals. They
clearly get better medical care, clearly.
REUST: Yes.
PINSKY: But people that sort of take issue with that, please. That`s well established. That the treatments are good. But the surgery gets a
little more complicated.
Now, I`m going to -- this is a surgery that was up there on the full screen. The study published in 2011 that found a transgender individual
who develop -- had the sex-change operation. This is out of a Scandinavian country.
At a 19-time -- 19 (ties) more likely to commit suicide. Now, so my question is, either, A, is the surgery not the right treatment for this
condition? Or, B, are we not selecting the right people for the surgery?
REUST: Well --
PINSKY: Because you say it helped you immensely.
REUST: Oh, yes, it helped --
(CROSSTALK)
KRAVITZ: -- what about the support after the surgery?
PINSKY: Well, this is the other part, the society at large.
[21:40:00] REUST: Well, there`s also this. Not all transgender people want to have the surgery.
PINSKY: It`s still like 20 percent of so, right?
REUST: Some people do and some people don`t. And for me, I was the ones that needed it. And I --
PINSKY: How did you determine -- I`m sorry, maybe it`s not appropriate, but how did you determine that? How did they select you for
that? Did you have a sense of it? Or --
REUST: No, I knew since I was four years old that, you know, I wasn`t born in the right body. And I`m always on that.
PINSKY: And so the surgery for you is part of --
REUST: Oh, yes. It was an absolute necessity.
PINSKY: You knew right away --
(CROSSTALK)
REUST: Yes, exactly. And, you know, just because she`s in prison for murder doesn`t mean that we shouldn`t, you know, discount what she`s saying
and what she`s, you know, undergone medically.
ODUOLOWU: I (discount) what you`re saying. I discount her right to have it at the expense of me and other people in society.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I get it. Well, according to Areva, Medi-Cal is going to pay for it anyways. You`re paying for some --
(CROSSTALK)
CATHERWOOD: I think --
MARTIN: That`s the other person.
CATHERWOOD: Segun and Rolonda do -- I mean, it`s understandable to have that feeling. This is someone that took another person`s life
senselessly. Why should we be --
PINSKY: Mike, if I can interrupt you, there`s another layer to her being that person that is capable of murder is, could she just be somebody
so manipulated and so criminal --
CATHERWOOD: Right.
PINSKY: -- that she`s working the system and working all of it?
ODUOLOWU: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Just saying. Just asking.
CATHERWOOD: But I think -- but I think that we as American citizens, American tax-paying citizens have to look to take the ethical and moral
high ground in that it`s -- we don`t live in a crusade. It`s not an eye for an eye.
Just because this person committed a crime and is a murder and by all accounts a bad person does not mean that we should collectively as a whole
treat them any way that is beneath the human treatment, you know. That is kind of what we do. We`ve agreed upon to be, you know, --
PINSKY: A just society.
CATHERWOOD: -- the greatest in the world and a moral and ethical society. Yes.
ODUOLOWU: Wait. But you said yourself that prisons are a place where people are abused on a regular basis.
CATHERWOOD: Without question.
ODUOLOWU: So we`ve already thrown these people that have offended our sensibilities into a prison. So now we should then double down and pay for
a surgery that could be -- again, put them in solitary and leave them there. Honestly, in my opinion, to rot because what they did is so
offensive to us and they --
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: -- prison, you still have constitutional rights in prison.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly.
MARTIN: And to your point, Dr. Drew, it`s not as if one doctor has determined this person needs the surgery.
PINSKY: That`s what is to say. Yes.
MARTIN: It`s a series of independent evaluators that make the decision. And we should say, not all transgender people are going to be
eligible for surgery.
PINSKY: And now that we don`t really know what kind of struggle there has been clinically with this individual.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
PINSKY: According to Jena, what you`ve seen is that pretty competent people have taken a good look at this --
KRAVITZ: Numerous.
PINSKY: -- perhaps tried many other things over the years, have concluded this is the way --
ODUOLOWU: But who cares?
KRAVITZ: This is the last treatment option for treating gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder.
(CROSSTALK)
ODUOLOWU: -- but for a murderer.
KRAVITZ: I think that if this -- I think if this surgery was available to everybody through every health insurance company, we wouldn`t
even have a problem with it. If you needed a heart transplant, he would -- she would get a heart transplant. I`m sorry.
ODUOLOWU: The fact transgender kids on the street suffer more than a murderer bothers me. The fact that this person could get a surgery before
youths in our culture who have committed no crime can get one is unfair and it`s offensive. And that we are trying to support a murderer getting a
surgery that a good kid going through high school or a good woman at her job or a man going through hell at their office cannot get?
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Segun, we`re stand up for the eight amendment in the same way --
ODUOLOWU: -- for a murderer?
MARTIN: -- that we just stood up for the 14th amendment when we talk about African-Americans being shot by police. You can`t stand up for one
constitutional amendment but not for all of them.
PINSKY: You know, part of this --
ODUOLOWU: -- you said adequate --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Hang on, I am convinced that part of this is our -- and Isley maybe you`ll agree upon this. We really -- all of us haven`t really fully
grasped if this is a medical condition like any other.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PINSKY: And so -- and so as such, we have a certain discomfort when the eighth amendment is brought up. Like, where do we have to -- (it`s
here). We have -- even here, even here. Yes, even here.
But we got to leave it here (at rest). We`ve got the breastfeeding controversy. How I transition to that, I`ll never know. Many people
bothered by a mother who is nursing her son and her son`s friend, after this.
[21:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Time for quick fix with my guest. Tell me what is trending on their twitter, Facebook and Instagram feeds. Areva first.
MARTIN: I have a good one. I have a breastfeeding photo that`s gone viral, --
PINSKY: Well, this is it. This is the one. We`re starting right off with this.
MARTIN: -- and it`s igniting big time controversy. Take a look, the woman in the photo is not only breastfeeding her own baby but her friend`s
baby as well.
PINSKY: OK, stop. I have a million of questions.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PINSKY: Does the friend know that this mom is doing that?
MARTIN: The friend knows because the friend asked her to do it. Here`s the backstory. The friend says she couldn`t pump breast milk at
work and that her baby began to have a reaction to formula. That`s when the friend stepped in, offered to breastfeed her baby as well.
The two moms are calling their sons "milk brothers". They`ve moved in with each other and they`ve agreed to raise the boys together. Now, some
supporters applaud their gesture of friendship, but critics like you all who are frowning --
PINSKY: I`m not critical.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Some say the idea of milk brothers is disturbing. I say, look up supermom in the dictionary and that woman is there.
CATHERWOOD: First off, I met the milk brothers in a bath house in West Hollywood. I had nothing to do with that.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: That`s a wonderful gesture by a woman to help another woman out.
CATHERWOOD: I agree, if that`s the case, good for her, good for the families. But I just don`t like that fact that she had to take that weird
creepy picture.
PINSKY: Weird picture.
CATHERWOOD: Like she`s like, "Look at me. Look at my bosoms being sucked."
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: -- takes pictures about everything, --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- everything.
MARTIN: -- so why can`t a mom take a beautiful picture of her breastfeeding? I think it`s beautiful.
PINSKY: Just quick poll here. Everyone, very in favor of breastfeeding? Yes.
MARTIN: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PINSKY: And the fact that she`s going to great lengths to maintain breastfeeding for this kid. We`re all very in favor of. There is
something about the circumstance that`s troubling. The boundaries there --
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: Supermom.
[21:50:00] CATHERWOOD: My wife has some pregnant friends of hers. I want to be milk brothers with their husbands.
PINSKY: All right. (We`re lying at what he got).
CATHERWOOD: I`m just saying.
WATTS: Oh, god. We get a whole new meaning to milk duds. Anyway, -- but they`ll boom. Beauty queen is not wearing her tiara tonight. She gave
it up for a pair of handcuffs. Why? Because this beauty queen did something so ugly. Twenty-three-year-old, faces felony charges for
allegedly faking cancer --
PINSKY: Oh, my.
WATTS: And scamming thousands of dollars from her community. In fact, Dr. Drew, just recently, she threw a bingo benefit for (Brandy) and
what she raised $14,000 for her so-called medical bills that the law enforcement folks are saying was quite an elaborate plan.
PINSKY: She said she had CLL. I read a little bit about this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PINSKY: Chronic lymphocytic leukemia. I wonder if it`s the craziness of being in the beauty contest thing, the desperation of trying to get some
attention or she really have a (mental challenger of Burketson).
WATTS: Well, let me tell you how bad this was. She would go to the hospital and stay for like eight hours making her sister wait downstairs
for about --
PINSKY: Wow.
(CROSSTALK)
WATTS: She didn`t know her doctors, she didn`t even lose her hair. So they were just like, "Something`s up".
PINSKY: Mike, quick.
CATHERWOOD: Another Walmart fight. Woo-ho.
PINSKY: Shocking.
CATHERWOOD: This time in a really beautiful part of the county in Savannah, Georgia. It starts with hair pulling. It was in the underwear
aisle. Then they both --
PINSKY: Do we have pictures? Do we have it?
CATHERWOOD: No, I think we -- I think we have video.
PINSKY: Let`s show it. There is it.
CATHERWOOD: At one point a voice can be heard saying give me my f`ing money.
PINSKY: My money? Yes, oh, yes.
CATHERWOOD: -- my pennies.
PINSKY: Yes, the underwear. Oh, my.
CATHERWOOD: That`s right. Bitch better have my money. No reports of arrests or injuries just yet. Just a lot of great video.
PINSKY: Wow, Walmart. Another Walmart. It`s unbelievable. Oh. Ooh. What is that? What is wrong with us?
CATHERWOOD: (Dana White) just signed this young lady (to the --)
PINSKY: OK. Next up, I`m very excited. I have a surprise for all our viewers. And if you`ve been watching YouTube and videos in the
aftermath of debates, there are two sisters that have caught attention. They have nearly 1.5 million views.
They are really fun. I`m dying to talk to them. And they are sisters who stump for Trump in a very colorful way. You`ll get their whole vibe
after we get back. You`ll (stock, let me kind of this.)
[21:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Two of Donald Trump`s biggest supporters have turned into YouTube sensations. They are sisters from North Carolina and call
themselves the Stump for Trump Girls. I`ll talk to them just a second. But look at this when they recently took on Megyn Kelly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here`s the damn deal Megyn Kelly, or Kelly`s Megyn, whatever your name is. You know, perhaps you don`t need to be
hosting debates.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Perhaps.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Perhaps what she needs to do, maybe it`s time for us to file Kelly and make our go back to report news at the local news.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Start that we straight).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t need to host another debate.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t talk to Donald like that. You hit below the belt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But blow on this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Blow.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Leave my man, Donald Trump the hell alone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Leave him alone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you got something to say --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- you got something you want to tell him, --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- run it by us first.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Run it by me first --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- and I`ll let you know whether you have permission --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- to come to him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PINSKY: You guys are the best. I think I`m in love. Joining me on Skype, the sisters who call themselves Diamond and Silk. You guys, I mean,
-- you know, hats off to you, guys. Well done.
Beautifully done. Well executed. Let`s get right to it. Has Megyn asked for your permission yet?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, she hasn`t asked for our permission. But we`re sitting right here because we are sisters.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So we`ll be sitting right here waiting for her to ask. And be able, when she asks, we`ll grant her permission.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
PINSKY: There`s a -- I got to say there`s a very musical quality on what you guys do. Do you -- could you put it to music or do sing together
or in a group or something? No?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, this is all we do. We just voice our opinion about the media. That`s all we do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
WATTS: I`m so proud -- I`m so proud you`re from North Carolina, ladies. My home girls.
MARTIN: I have to ask you a question. All that love for Trump. Has he reached out to you ladies yet?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, our supporters reached out to us. Our viewers, the people that`s on our YouTube channel reached out to
us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we love them so much. And I -- we really appreciate them. Listen, we speak for these people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We speak for the average American, the majority, the silent majority, that`s what I call them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (I`m not silent).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We stand with those people, you know. And listen, Donald Trump, that`s what we stump for. We Stump for the Trump.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stump for the Trump.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know that he can make America great again.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s going to secure that border and he`s going to bring jobs back here to America.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s going to bring our jobs back home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So that means that we will be able to get jobs. People won`t only just survive in this country.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`ll be able to thrive in this country.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
IUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m just --
PINSKY: I`m going to tell you what --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An article about the black lives movement. They went in and ambushed Bernie Sanders a rally.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But imagine if one of those black lives had a job?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then I was reading another article or just, you know, just dusting off some stuff. You know, you have all these
candidates running for president. But who is going to lead?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was looking at the Carly Fiorina girl. She (also too) --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Here`s the deal --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- 30,000 job --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I`m going to interrupt. I`m going to interrupt. I think --
CATHERWOOD: They speak in a silent what?
PINSKY: I think though we don`t have to worry about Trump say --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- about this.
PINSKY: I don`t think we have to worry about him saying anything problematic anymore. He just put these ladies out and let them do the
talking for him. And just say, "This is how people feel. This is it. Let`s let the ladies speak."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (#it`srealforthese --)
PINSKY: I`ve got ten seconds, my dear. Finish it up. I`m sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- this is the website, webesisters.com.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stump for Trump. Listen, he`s going to bring jobs back to our people, black people, white people, everybody.
PINSKY: All right, my dear.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stump for the Trump.
PINSKY: We`ll check back in with you, no doubt.
CATHERWOOD: Are you guys singles?
[22:00:00] PINSKY: Stay right there. Reminders -- thank you, ladies. Reminding you to follow us on Snapchat. You can also join us there at (Dr.
Drew chillin` DVRs). Watch us any time. See us to the Facebook after show and I`ll see you next time.
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