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Aired August 13, 2015 - 15:00   ET

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CHILINA KENNEDY, ACTRESS: And so to sit next to her and watch her play beautiful...

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Out-of-body experience?

KENNEDY: Just incredible. I mean -- I mean, I don't have words. It was amazing. It was amazing.

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BALDWIN: I will shatter glass. Will you give me one line of something?

(SINGING)

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BALDWIN: Thank you to "Beautiful" on Broadway. And make sure you watch tonight "The Music of the Seventies" 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

All right, hour two here. This is CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Nineteen presidential hopefuls about to descend upon one crucial place that could make or break his or her bid for the White House, the Iowa State Fair. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, hay bales, fried Oreos, and a giant butter cow. This is politics. The soapbox speeches at this fair really a rite of passage for anyone hoping to become the next president.

And some might need a boost in battleground states here more than others. CNN has the surprising new poll numbers. Let's just start with the Republicans here.

Until a couple of weeks ago, Scott Walker, he was on top, but now he's slipped into third place with just 9 percent, pushed out by, as you can see, Donald Trump, and Ben Carson. The poll numbers also have Jeb Bush falling out of the top five there and Carly Fiorina moving on up and in.

As for the Democrats in Iowa, Hillary Clinton at 50 percent, followed by Bernie Sanders and then, I know you're looking at the screen and thinking, hang on a second. Is he running? Vice President Joe Biden. And you're correct. He's not yet perhaps. There he is in third place, though. That's to be determined.

But do the presidential hopefuls have reason to be worried? CNN has now learned that the two-time presidential hopeful Vice President Biden has been speaking to his aides and he's weighing his options while on vacation in South Carolina.

Let me bring in Jackie Kucinich, senior politics editor at The Daily Beast, and also with me, Ben Ferguson, CNN political commentator.

So great to have both of you guys on. Welcome.

BEN FERGUSON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Good to be here.

JACKIE KUCINICH, THE DAILY BEAST: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Jackie Kucinich first up to bat.

If the vice president were to jump into the race, would it hurt Bernie Sanders the most, do you think?

KUCINICH: Actually, I think it would hurt Hillary Clinton more, because Joe Biden is sort of this establishment figure, like Hillary Clinton.

He's progressive, of course, but not like Bernie Sanders. He takes progressive to another level, which is why he's a socialist. I think it's more for dangerous for Hillary than for Bernie Sanders in this instance. But we don't know what he's going to do yet, so we will have to watch.

BALDWIN: OK.

As we watch for that, Ben Ferguson, are you a "Breaking Bad" fan?

FERGUSON: Yes, I am.

BALDWIN: OK. Stand by. This is where I'm going with this.

Bryan Cranston, the star of the show, actually just made some comments about Donald Trump. We have them.

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BRYAN CRANSTON, ACTOR: There's something so refreshing about shaking up that world that is all about being handled, and here comes this loose cannon who has -- who has terrible ideas, and would be a horrible president. But there's something great about his I don't give a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) attitude that really kind of keeps others honest.

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BALDWIN: Is that, Ben Ferguson, is that what it is? Is that the Donald Trump special sauce that has so many people in America...

(CROSSTALK) FERGUSON: Yes.

Look, he's a guy that just doesn't really care what other people think of him, and so that's one refreshing in politics, when everything is so scripted at this level.

And there's also this idea that there hasn't been a real big leader in the Republican Party taking on Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama for the last six, seven years. And so Donald Trump said, hey, I'm going to fill that void and you're going to hate me. But if you don't hate me, you're absolutely going to love me. That's the reason why you see his poll numbers stay consistent.

You also see his unfavorability numbers, which are just outstanding, how many people cannot stand him. I think this is on both sides of the aisle. Look at where Bernie Sanders has gone to now. He's leading in some of these early primary states, which no one would have guessed a month ago or two months ago. But you look at it and you say, maybe there's an appetite for that abnormal candidate on both sides.

BALDWIN: It's made it fascinating to cover, right, with the variables, the Bernie Sanders and the Donald Trumps.

FERGUSON: Sure.

BALDWIN: Let me stay with you because I think one person I'm really interested in learning more about, Ohio Governor John Kasich, he did really well in that debate in Cleveland. By the way, he's the only Republican candidate not attacking Hillary Clinton, not attacking a single Republican opponent.

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And I'm wondering if this whole staying above the fray will, in the end, help him or does he need to throw an elbow?

FERGUSON: I think it's going to help him early on right now.

I think if you watched his style over his entire career, he's not a guy to go out there and have these big political fights or wars with specific individuals. He's an idea guy. And, as a governor, that's one of the things that he's done so well is actually working together with others on ideas.

And that's why people love him in his state. And I think that's what he's trying to do is say, look, I'm not going to be Donald Trump, I'm not going to be Ted Cruz. I'm going to be true to who I am. It's been successful for my career. If you want great ideas, and you want actual plans, I'm the candidate for you.

And I think people that were watching that really connected with him and I think it will also connect well in these early primary states, where the voters really pay attention to what the candidates are actually saying.

BALDWIN: Yes.

Jackie, I want to bring you in, but I really wanted to ask you about Carly Fiorina because she did extraordinarily well in that J.V. debate, happy hour debate, whatever you want to call it. Her name, her numbers are rising and I'm wondering if Republicans are now looking at her as a possible political weapon, right, to sort of unseat Donald Trump as that front-runner position on the Republican side and potentially, as a woman, for one thing, hurt Hillary Clinton?

KUCINICH: She's pit herself against Hillary Clinton from the very beginning of this campaign.

I remember her CPAC speech. She was talking about Hillary Clinton, Benghazi and the e-mail issue. In terms of relying on to go after Trump, I at this point, don't know who can un-Trump Trump, because you would think that if he can go after Carly Fiorina and he could say all of these other outrageous things, are people really going to care?

It's an open question because nothing has really stuck to him yet. Maybe he's his own worst enemy at the end of the day.

BALDWIN: I am so wondering, if she were to be on that stage, at the Reagan Library, for our Republican presidential debate in California how she would potentially be back and forth and throw some elbows, potentially, at Donald Trump. We will have to watch and wait. That's September 16. I will be there. I can't wait. Jackie Kucinich and Ben Ferguson, for now, thank you both very much.

FERGUSON: Thanks.

KUCINICH: Thank you.

BALDWIN: She's a bombshell beauty and an international model who graced the cover of "GQ" magazine in 2000 topless, on a fur rug, but could she be the next first lady of the United States?

CNN's Randi Kaye takes a look at closer Donald Trump's third wife, Melania Trump, her modeling days, her QVC gig, and what she says about her husband.

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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To some, she's just known as Mrs. Trump, the quiet, impeccably dressed force behind her husband. But Melania Knauss, as she was formerly known, is much more than just a sideshow to her husband's business empire and presidential ambitions. There's glitzy and glamorous magazine covers and her own line of jewelry on QVC.

MELANIA TRUMP, WIFE OF DONALD TRUMP: I want all of women have my jewelry because it will make them feel special, elegant.

KAYE: She also took a silly turn in an Aflac insurance commercial.

(on camera): Before becoming Mrs. Trump, Melania had long been a fixture on the modeling scene, beginning her career at just 16 in her native country of Slovenia. By 18, she had a contract with an agency an Italy, jetting, as her biography puts it, between Milan and Paris, building a career before moving to New York in 1996.

That's where, just two years later, she met her future husband, Donald Trump.

M. TRUMP: We met in 1998. It was a Fashion Week, and it was a fashion party event and we were both invited. So that's where we met.

KAYE (voice-over): It was her first marriage to a man known for his famous marriages and even more for his infamous splits. Larry King interviewed the newlyweds back in 2005.

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Do you worry about women and him -- being attracted to him?

M. TRUMP: No, I don't worry about that at all. I know who I am. And if a man doesn't want to be with me or I don't want to be with a man...

KING: Goodbye and good luck.

M. TRUMP: That's right.

KING: Do you worry about her with men?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No, I know her. That's the rock.

KAYE: A successful relationship that produced a son, Barron, born in 2006.

M. TRUMP: The energy of the children and my son, love it.

KAYE: And what of her husband's bombastic style?

KING: Is he control freak? Does he make demands?

M. TRUMP: I don't think so. Maybe he makes demands in his business because he needs to. You know, he's kind of a general. He needs to have people in line, but not at home. We are very equal in the relationship, and that's very important.

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You know, to marry a man like Donald is -- you need to know who you are, and you need to be very strong and smart and, you know, he needs to know that he could rely on me sometimes, you know, and we share a lot of stuff together. I don't think he's a control freak at all.

KAYE: An equal relationship, she says, and a supportive spouse.

In his wife, Melania, Trump may have the secret weapon he needs to help keep that Trump surge going strong.

Randi Kaye, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)

BALDWIN: Coming up next, I want to show you a cartoon here. It's getting a lot of attention now that former president Jimmy Carter has announced he has cancer. The artist behind this joins me live next.

Plus, cell phone video here shows the moment this man pulled his little niece from a crashed car. You will hear what he was saying as he tried to get to her and rescue her.

Also, court sketches of New England Patriots superstar quarterback Tom Brady have apparently now become an Internet sensation. Why is that? And why was the sketch artist apologizing for this? That's next.

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BALDWIN: You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Well-wishes are pouring in from all around the country from former President Jimmy Carter. The nation's 39th president says he has cancer and that it has spread. The 90-year-old plans to undergo treatment at Atlanta's Emory University.

He is of course from the state of Georgia and is greatly admired for his charitable work with the Atlanta-based Carter Center. And someone who has spent time with President Carter and knows his legacy here in Atlanta and around the world is cartoonist Mike Luckovich with "The Atlanta-Journal Constitution."

Mike, thanks so much for coming on.

MIKE LUCKOVICH, CARTOONIST, "THE ATLANTA-JOURNAL CONSTITUTION": Thanks for having me, Brooke.

BALDWIN: I saw this first thing this morning and I shot an e-mail out to my team saying we have got to talk to you. This just really resonated.

As a native Georgian, Atlantan, this is pretty -- it's sad for the family, it's really, really significant. Can just tell me how you arrived at this cartoon?

LUCKOVICH: Yes.

You know, it was yesterday afternoon around 5:00 when I first heard the news about the president. And I was actually working on another cartoon. But I kept thinking about, geez, I really want to do something about him because he's such an amazing person and he just -- he means a lot to me and to people all over the world.

I just kept thinking, what can I do? What can I do? I just arrived at this cartoon and I ran out to my editor and I said, listen, I have got an idea to do on President Carter and they said OK and so I did it. It's been on Facebook and I'm getting a lot of comments and people really love Carter. I think it's great.

BALDWIN: I would love to throw. This is a tweet from the president's grandson, Jason, who obviously saw your cartoon and tweeted, "My sentiments exactly."

On the multiple occasions that you met the president, tell me a story from one of those meetings.

LUCKOVICH: Well, you know, he had just won the -- they had announced that he had won the Nobel Peace Prize. I think it was in 2002.

And so he invited myself and my entire family to go and visit him. We went to the Carter Center and met with him and Mrs. Carter. And it was just an amazing thing. You know, there aren't many people in this world that you could attach to the word saintly to. But I really think with President Carter, you really can, because he's just -- he's such a giving person and throughout his life he's never stopped helping other people.

BALDWIN: Growing up, you always know about President Carter from the peanut farm, right, in Georgia, in Plains.

LUCKOVICH: Right.

BALDWIN: Mike Luckovich, thank you so much with "The Atlanta-Journal Constitution." I appreciate it. Thanks for sharing your cartoon with us.

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LUCKOVICH: You bet.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, this incredible rescue. This man pulls his niece out of a car that just crashed 100 feet down a ravine. What happened next coming up.

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BALDWIN: Some heart-pounding moments as an uncle watches the car carrying his sister and 11-month-old niece plunge over a cliff in Alabama.

It's what happens next that has the Internet all abuzz and calling this uncle now a hero. I want to watch as this frantic man is scrambling, using the light from his cell phone to save this little girl.

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TYLER BLAKE KIMBRELL, UNCLE: I have got you, sweetie. I have got to (INAUDIBLE) my camera. Yes, she's alive.

I'm not lying to you, Destiny. Just do what I say. If you want this to work out, you do what I say. You call 911. You let me work. You let me work for my niece.

Why did you -- you hold on, sweetie. I got you. I got you, sweetie. Uncle Blake is here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she alive?

KIMBRELL: He loves you. Yes. Lord Jesus, please watch over us. Let my niece be OK. Please, God, please let my niece be OK.

I'm working as good as I can. Yes. Yes. Gosh. Yes. Sweetie. Yes. Yes. Quit asking me that, Destiny.

Come here, sweetie. Come on. Uncle Blake is going to get you out of this, I promise, I promise. If it's the last thing I do, uncle Blake is going to get you out of here.

I need that little arm. Keep crying, sweetie. You got to keep crying. Keep crying, yes. Give me that little one. Come on, baby. Come on. Uncle Blake has got you, sweetie. Come on. Give me that little arm. We're going to -- come here, sweetie.

Yes, I got -- I got this brother. There's a baby in here. Oh, gosh. I got you, sweetie. I got you. I got you, sweetie. Lord Jesus, watch over her, please.

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BALDWIN: Wow.

The uncle there in that video, that is Tyler Blake Kimbrell. We're now learning that his sister, Destiny, who you hear him talking to, and the niece there, little Breleigh, they are homeless, and they had actually been living out a car there that was destroyed in that crash, but both escaped this terrible accident uninjured.

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The media storm that followed Donald Trump's controversial comments about one of the debate moderators from FOX Megyn Kelly last week prompted him to of course double down against her, tweeting this. "Oh, really? Check out innocent discussion Megyn Kelly on Howard Stern five years ago. I am the innocent one."

And he then included a link to that interview. But Donald Trump himself has been on Howard Stern's show, multiple times, in fact.

So our CNN politics senior digital correspondent Chris Moody did a little digging into the radio archives. He's live in Des Moines, Iowa.

Chris, listen, Howard Stern, in my opinion, he is one of the best interviewers out there, but nothing really is off limits, no matter who comes on this show. So that said, when you looked into the Trump interviews, how graphic, how offensive were they?

CHRIS MOODY, CNN POLITICS SENIOR DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, for Howard Stern's show, it was pretty typical fare, but for a person running for president, which he was not at that time, it's types of conversations that we have really never heard of before from presidential candidates.

For a family audience here, let's just say it delved into issues of the bedroom and the bathroom. They also spent a lot of time talking about women's bodies, rating women, how good they were looking., just, again, stuff you don't hear from people who are running for president. Just take a listen.

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HOWARD STERN, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Who is more beautiful, Scarlett Johansson or Jennifer Lawrence?

D. TRUMP: You know, I think they are both fun. Jennifer has a little skin problem, I would say.

STERN: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

D. TRUMP: A little rough with the skin tone, little polka dots all over the place.

STERN: So Scarlett Johansson is more beautiful?

D. TRUMP: Yes, I guess.

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D. TRUMP: I guess. I don't know.

STERN: Tell me, between Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez, who is more beautiful?

D. TRUMP: Well, Kim Kardashian, you have to hand it to her, because let's face it. Give me a break, OK?

STERN: Is her ass too big, Donald? Is her ass too big?

D. TRUMP: Well, absolutely.

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STERN: Of course.

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D. TRUMP: It's record-setting.

STERN: But it's like -- are you attracted to that gigantic...

D. TRUMP: No. That's -- in the old days, they would say she has got a bad body.

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MOODY: Like I said, that's stuff you will never hear from another presidential candidate, but from Donald Trump, something different.

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BALDWIN: No. And there is other material, as you pointed out, not quite suitable for this audience.

I am curious, do other politicians, do they stay away from the Howard Stern show when they are doing their rounds?

MOODY: I think if you're a consultant guiding a presidential campaign, you would say that that's something you probably want to avoid because he will ask you very up-front questions, questions you can read about at CNNPolitics.com where we have the full story.

But it's just positions that they don't want to put the candidates in front of, having to confront very personal questions. But Donald Trump for many years was an entertainer, someone in the public life. These are questions that he just didn't mind answering. And he fielded actually fairly well, given the circumstances, I suppose.

BALDWIN: Maybe just quickly, just quickly, Chris, not doing him any favors with regard to women, but it is, I feel like, his bluntness that his supporters, that's what they like.

MOODY: Well, what is very interesting about Donald Trump's support is that people don't mind the things that he says because they are so fed up, honestly, with Washington, D.C., and they're far more fed up with Washington than they are with an outsider.

They see him as somebody that can come in and change the whole system in a way no one else can. There was a CNN poll released this week and the question was, who can change -- who is most probable to change Washington? And 44 percent said Donald Trump.

And I think that's the part that is resonating, not necessarily the stuff that he's talking about or has talked about in the past.

BALDWIN: Right, certainly not rating women on the Howard Stern show.

Chris Moody, thank you so much in Iowa for us.

And Chris mentioned his piece. Make sure you check it out, what he dug up in that radio archive. Go to CNN.com.

Coming up next, court sketches of New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, my goodness, causing quite the uproar online. We will talk to the artist who drew them next.

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