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Aired August 19, 2015 - 15:00:00   ET


[15:00:11] HALA GORANI, HOST: Tonight, hunting down a bomber.


GORANI: Authorities reveal this sketch and other leads in the investigation into a deadly blast at a Bangkok shrine.

Then migrants adrift in the Aegean Sea, we are on the shores of both Greece and Turkey this evening.

Plus he devoted his life to protecting Syria's heritage and paid the ultimate price. I'll speak to a man who knew a renowned antiquities expert

murdered by ISIS.

And later, U.S. Authorities give the go head to a treatment for flagging female sex drive. Find out what the downsides could be of the so called

female Viagra.


GORANI: Hello, everyone, I'm Hala Gorani, we're live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us this hour, this is The World Right Now.

The Thai Prime Minister is urging the prime suspect in a deadly attack on a Bangkok Shrine to turn himself in to authorities. And a Thai court has

issued an arrest warrant for "an unnamed male foreigner."


GORANI: This video, take a look shows a police sketch of the suspect in the bombing which as we now know killed at least 20 people.

Police also believe the suspect had at least two accomplices. That detailed was gleaned from surveillance video that of course authorities are

pouring over right now. There were many cameras in the area and a lot of footage to go over.

CNN's Asia Pacific Editor, Andrew Stevens is tracking the investigation and joins me now from Bangkok.

GORANI: What more do we know about this suspect Andrew?

ANDREW STEVENS, CNN ASIA PACIFIC EDITOR: Well at this stage Hala, most of the information is coming from a motorcycle taxi driver who picked up the

suspect and delivered him to a well-known park in Central Bangkok on which he made his way to the Shrine.

Now the man did not speak to the taxi driver. He gave him a note which was written in English saying Lumpini Park which is the park. And then was on

the phone though, the taxi driver said that he was not aware whether the man was speaking English or not. So that's where most of the information

is coming from.

As you say the Prime Minister has urged the suspect to turn himself in. He says that he should turn himself in for his own safety. That he is in risk

of losing his life if he stays out of police protection. So that is the plea if you like the Prime Minister is making at this stage.

Two accomplices have now been - or at least two other accomplices have been identified in a fashion in that they were with the bomber at the Shrine.

All we know about them is that one was wearing a red shirt, one was wearing a white shirt. But at least two accomplices, there may be more at the


Police also not saying whether the man is still in the country though it would appear likely. There are several countries bordering Thailand but at

this stage it seems to be the assumption the key suspect, the man that the police say are very sure is the bomber is still in Thailand, Hala.


GORANI: All right, thanks very much, Andrew Stevens, in Bangkok.

Tensions are running high on the Greek Island of Kos where officials are dealing with an unprecedented influx of migrants.


GORANI: Today about 100 migrants demonstrated outside a police station. They are angry over what they say are poor and unsanitary living


Meanwhile in the early morning hours a cruise ship carrying hundreds of migrants set sail from Kos bound for Athens. Now that is the processing

ship because there are no processing centers in the South Aegean and not in Kos either. So this ship was brought in to help process some of these

migrants and these refugees and asylum seekers, and it is headed now for Athens.


GORANI: The vast majority of the migrants on Kos arrived from Turkey hoping for a better life in Western Europe.


GORANI: The distance between the Turkish port of Bodrum and Greece's Kos is actually so much shorter than Libya to Italy for instance. You see it

there on the map, it's only 23km and in many places on the coast it's actually much closer than that.

CNN's Arwa Damon has seen firsthand some of the desperate attempts to reach Greece. She's live in Bodrum.


GORANI: Arwa, what did you witness?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala this town is very much a key holiday making spot. It's streets are teeming with

people who are here to just enjoy themselves. But in either direction of this port you have these boats, these launching areas that the migrants are

continuously using. In one of these locations the distance to Kos is just 5km but they still continue to struggle, to navigate these very challenging

seas. But also to try to avoid the Turkish authorities.


DAMON: [15:05:16] A rubber dingy packed with migrants takes on the Turkish Coastguard. Ignoring the Coastguard's horn, glaring spotlights and

orders to return to shore. Then lost from view.

Just before dawn we're on the same waters. (Inaudible).

The Turkish Coastguard asks our captain for help towing the migrants to shore. They are Syrian, shouting that they don't have a motor anymore and

want to return to dry land.

Help us, help us, the men cry out as our captain tosses a rope. The Coastguard had chased them for two hours and finally the migrants say

threatened to sink their boat if they did not drop their motor.

Then the Coastguard towed the dingy as close to shore as their ship would allow.

60 migrants cramped together collecting their life vests and inner tubes. Their faces telling a tragedy and dejection. But also the relief of still

being alive when so many have perished.

On shore most disappear into waiting taxis. One young man bitterly says "if death wasn't chasing us we would not be trying this."

All night they had been aiming for the twinkling lights of the Greek Island of Kos in the distance, their gateway to Europe. Now a dream left for

another day.


DAMON: Hala, it's not uncommon for many of these migrants to make repeated attempts to try to reach Kos. One young Syrian man who we met said he

tried to do the trip 5 times. 3 times he was turned back by the Turkish coastguard. Twice he was telling us they were forced to turn back because

their ship began to sink.

GORANI: And I was going to ask you about the Turks. I mean the Turkish Coastguard is clearly turning some people back but we're talking about tens

of thousands of people. I mean how on the coast are the Turks dealing with this outflow of migrants?

DAMON: It's very challenging for them and they most certainly would want and need more resources.


DAMON: They do want to see a broader more coordinated effort to try to stem the tide. Because even though this became a key transit point because

of the crisis in Syria and the flow of Syrian migrants, right now you have migrants from Pakistan, from Bangladesh, from as far away as (inaudible)

that are also using the same transit routes.

Sure the coastguard is trying to patrol and they are turning back certain ships that are trying to make this very difficult journey but there are

ships that are managing to get through as we are seeing with these consistent arrivals in Kos. And this is going to be a growing problem sure

is putting a lot of stress also on these various different towns along the area, along this coastline.


DAMON: And we're also seeing the areas that the migrants are using shifting. Earlier in the year for example a key area was the port city of

(inaudible). There they were going across the Mediterranean. Now they are shifting up toward the Aegean using these much quicker routes but the ships

that they're using are also a lot less safe.

You have these rubber dinghy's with a motor attached to them often times the motor fails to work, the migrants don't make it across - all across the

border. No matter how you look at it it's a very difficult situation that is facing both the migrants trying to get to Greece to Europe, but the

Turkish authorities as well Hala.

GORANI: All right, Arwa Damon in Bodrum, Turkey, thanks very much there. The starting point for many of the thousands of migrants who end up in Kos,


Thank you. All right here we are.

Now to some new developments in the case of Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius.


GORANI: South Africa's Justice Minister has ordered a review of his parole. Now that means he may not be released on Friday on House Arrest as

had been widely expected.

Pistorius is serving a five year prison sentence for culpable homicide over the killing of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. Let's cross live to South

Africa. Our David McKenzie is in Johannesburg.


GORANI: So David, when it was expected that Oscar Pistorius would be freed on Friday there was a lot of consternation saying what, after 10 months, he

was supposed to serve a five year sentence.

Is that potentially why there was ministerial intervention in this case?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well Hala, I think ultimately yes, but maybe not for the reasons you think.


MCKENZIE: Certainly the reason the Justice and Correctional Service Minister took the step he said was because he was petitioned by a woman's

group who said that releasing Oscar Pistorius during woman's month here in South Africa sent a very bad message in terms of violence against women.

[15:10:15] But the Minister did admit that he in that case had no legal grounds. So he went into the law pushed by this group and he said well

according to the law he should still be in prison and that they can only get to announcing his parole or deciding on his parole now, not when they

did it in June.

A legal expert I've spoken to already said to me that well, what the Minister did is highly unusual, and in terms of the law, even if it might

be repugnant to some people that someone can get off so soon for killing his girlfriend, in terms of the law, they feel pretty comfortable that

Oscar Pistorius could have been released on Friday.

But the Minister said no, they said they need more time to assess this and he effectively threw a spanner in the works at a very late stage. Hala?


GORANI: And tell us more about what you've learned exclusively into Oscar Pistorius' experience inside of prison.

MCKENZIE: Well that's right, Oscar Pistorius is in a maximum security prison near Pretoria, one of the capitals of South Africa. Very little

information has come out but we're learning new details of what (just) he has done inside his prison cell.


MCKENZIE: An unlikely soccer matchup of Oscar Pistorius and a Czech mob boss. They shared a prison wing for a time. This cellphone footage, a

rare look inside Pistorius' 10 months locked away until now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said he feels unbelievable.

MCKENZIE: Their job is to listen to prisoner concerns. They talk to more than 40 a day. One of the assigned inmates, Oscar Pistorius.

(VIOLET NGOBENI, INDEPENDENT PRISON WARDON): The first time (inaudible) went to see him he's like I don't want to talk to anyone.

MCKENZIE: Just a few days ago they went behind these prison walls to meet with Pistorius for the final time. They say his demeanor has totally


(NGOBENI): Now he can sit down and discuss and laugh at (inaudible).

MCKENZIE: Their manager at the Independent Judicial Inspectorate sees hundreds of written prisoner complaints each day.

He saw more than a few from Pistorius.


MCKENZIE: He wanted a bath?

MENTOOR: And the correctional services supplied him with a bath. After a month of they built him a bath in his cell because he couldn't shower. He

also had a complaint about his bed. And they replaced his bed for him.

MCKENZIE: A world class athlete, Pistorius complained about gym equipment too, it was installed. And while most prisoners complain about the food

it's rarely because of fear.

MENTOOR: Oscar was worried the food in the prison might be poisoned and it will affect his health.

MCKENZIE: So Pistorius would only buy food from the prison's store he says. In this overcrowded prison 50 inmates often squeeze into a single

cell sharing one toilet and a basin.

NGOBENI: They always fight, always fighting for food, for bath, and (inaudible).

MCKENZIE: But Pistorius had his own cell for his safety because high profile prisoners have been attacked here before.

MENTOOR: If you're a high profile inmate people will take advantage of the situation.

MCKENZIE: They will target you?

MENTOOR: They will target you, that's correct.

MCKENZIE: Taking every precaution to keep South Africa's disgraced icons safe.


MCKENZIE: Well because he had a disability and because he is a high profile prisoner they said both of that should be taken into account of

this treatment. But you know they did tell me Hala that his complaints were seen to a lot quicker than prisoners in the general population, Hala?

GORANI: All right, David McKenzie in Johannesburg with that exclusive report from South Africa, thanks very much.

A lot more to come tonight.


GORANI: It's a difficult and extremely dangerous job but the director of Syria's Antiquities says he is determined to protect his country's

historical treasures from the brutal civil war. We'll have that and also the murder of an antiquities expert in Palmyra coming up.




[15:16:30] GORANI: For weeks he defied his ISIS captures, refusing to hand over information about Syria's priceless artifact.


GORANI: The renowned antiquities expert, Khald al-Assad paid for that loyalty with his life. ISIS beheaded him Tuesday in a public square in the

ancient city of Palmyra.

Officials say al-Assad had refused to reveal the location of specific archaeological treasures. ISIS seized Palmyra back in May.


GORANI: Well Syria's Director General of Antiquities is well aware of the dangers of the job but he says he is determined to serve as much of Syria's

cultural heritage as he can. CNN's Fred Pleitgen has the story from Damascus.

FRED PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The ancient castle of Palmyra now under ISIS control with Syrian government forces firing

artillery at the extremist positions trying to win back this area.

Palmyra is only one of many historic and archaeological sites threatened by Syria's ongoing civil war and weighing heavily on Mahmoud Abdulkarim, the

head of Syria's Antiquities and Museums.

MAHMOOD ABDULKARIM, DIRECTOR GENERAL SYRIAN ANTIQUITIES & MUSEUMS: I am saddest director general in the (inaudible). Each day I receive new

(inaudible) message from instruction of the (inaudible) in Syria.

PLEITGEN: But Abdulkarim has vowed to put up a fight, wanting a massive operation to evacuate artifacts from sites under threat and bring them to

Damascus for cataloging and storage in secret locations.

ABDULKARIM: And we are say that also thousand objects like this from Byzantine, Syrian Byzantine museum sites, and it's from the era 2000 BC.

PLEITGEN: From Mesopotamia to the Roman and Byzantine eras to the earliest traces of Christianity and Islam Syria has among the greatest and most

diverse variety of cultural treasures in the world.

Volunteers here have already saved hundreds of thousands of pieces they say and remarkably they get support from both the Syrian government and

opposition forces.

ABDULKARIM: We have 2,500 person in our director general of the deputy. We are public but we are working still now an area under control of the

opposition army also. Because and finally our job is scientific, it's professional, it's for (inaudible).

PLEITGEN: The only ones who don't cooperate and publicly destroy some of the world's greatest historic sites both in Iraq and in Syria are ISIS


ISIS recently advanced to the ancient roman ruins in Palmyra pushing out government forces. But by then Mahmoud Abdulkarim's workers had already

taken hundreds of pieces to safety.

This photo was taken in Palmyra only days before ISIS arrived. All of these statues that you see here are Roman Syriac and they all come from

Palmyra which is now under ISIS control. They were apparently recovered in Lebanon by the police there after they were smuggled to that country. And

in total the folks here at the Antiquities Ministry have managed to recover and catalog some 400 statutes and busts from Palmyra.

Saving Syria's history comes at a heavy price. 13 employees of the Directorate of Antiquities have been killed. One recently by mortar fire

that hit the ground of the national museum in Damascus.

[15:20:00] It's halls are completely empty, all pieces evacuated to protect them from shelling. And the staff has taken other drastic measure

as well like building concrete shells for ancient sarcophagus' to protect them from bombs.

ABDULKARIM: Really our job is very difficult but finally it is not political but it's concerned about the (inaudible).

PLEITGEN: A battle they hope to win and one day bring back all of Syria's cultural treasures from their secret hiding places and display them

publicly once again.

Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Damascus


GORANI: New attacks are deepening security concerns in Turkey.


GORANI: Police arrested two armed men near a palace in Istanbul today. The Governor's office calls them terrorists and say they attacked the

palace with guns and hand grenades. No casualties were reported.

But there was a deadly attack elsewhere.

A roadside bomb exploded in the southeastern province of Siirt killing 8 soldiers. And of course as I was saying unease and concerns about renewed

violence in Turkey.


GORANI: To the race for the White House now, and Hilary Clinton retains her frontrunner status overall. But Donald Trump is gaining on her.


GORANI: If the election were held today our new CNN ORC poll shows Clinton with a 6 percentage point lead over Trump, if she was bided against Donald

Trump. In July she was ahead by 16 points so this is all narrowing.

And in June she led 59 to 39%, a 24 point margin, so they're getting closer and closer together.

Speaking of the Donald, tune in for a CNN special report, The Donald Trump Interview, you can watch that at 2am in London for all you night owls. And

if that's just too late for you then we will be re-showing it at midday tomorrow. If you have been following the U.S. Presidential race you will

not want to miss this.

Coming up; a little pink pill to match the well-known blue one. We'll tell you about the newly approved drug to boost women's libido.

And fresh security fears for the controversial adultery website, AshleyMadison as hackers strike again and dump some names out there.

We'll be right back.





GORANI: Just your average elsewhere. The wider market the NASDAQ, the Tech index and the S&P both down as well. And here's a look across the

region at European stock indices also a negative day there.


GORANI: U.S. oil prices have hit their lowest point in almost six and a half years.


GORANI: Data showed an unexpected rise in U.S. crude stockpiles. Oil has actually lost about a third of its value since June.


GORANI: There is now a pharmaceutical option for women who have lost their sex drive. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved a drug for

that. Elizabeth Cohen has details on what is being called the female Viagra.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hala, 15 years after men got their little blue pill women are getting their little pink pill.


[Video] This is the age of knowing how to make things happen.

COHEN: We've heard the pitches and the questions

[Video] So why let erectile dysfunction get in your way.

COHEN: Men have had an answer in pills like Viagra for more than 15 years.

[Video] Ask your doctor if Viagra is right for you.

[15:25:00] COHEN: But now the Food and Drug Administration is finally answering a long lingering important question from women.

[Video] What the -- are we really so far behind that we don't think women have the right to sexual desire?

COHEN: And now the FDA has approved a pill to address female libido for the first time in history.

[Video] There isn't one available medication on the market.

COHEN: Spoof ads like this have become part of a campaign called even the score, sponsored in part by Sprout Pharmaceuticals, the maker of


[Video] It works on key chemicals in the brain to increase desire and decrease distress.

COHEN: Some experts say the problem is more psychological than physical for many women who's lack of libido is not due to disease or relationship


According to a 2002 study up to one third of adult women experience Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder, the technical term for a lack or absence

of sexual desire or a fantasy which causes distress.

[Video] I am pleading for help for an option.

COHEN: FDA committee meetings have acted as a platform for women to address the agency about Flibanseran, most recently in June.

[Video] It's not just about me, it's about the millions of other women I have to represent today who are looking to the FDA for a solution.

COHEN: Many desperate for help.

[Video] I want to want my husband, it is that simple.

COHEN: But it's not that simple. The FDA had previously rejected Flibanseran twice noting that the modest benefit of the drug wasn't worth

potentially risky side effects including depression.

But for some women struggling with desire, the hope for help is greater than the fear of side effects.

AMANDA PATRICK, FLIBANSERAN PATIENT: It's not an easy conversation to have with the man that you love to say hey, I love you, I'm highly attracted to

you, but for some reason I just don't want to cozy up and have sex.

I think women finally are on a level playing ground or heading in the right direction to be on a level playing ground.


COHEN: Hala, as with all drugs this drug can have side effects and the two big ones here are low blood pressure and even fainting. And it seems to be

even worse when women drink alcohol so they're not supposed to drink alcohol when they're taking Flibanseran. Now mind you this drug is not

used like Viagra. You don't just take it before you want to have sex, you're taking it all the time, so it will be interesting to see whether

women are willing to give up alcohol in order to take Flipanseran. Hala?

GORANI: Elizabeth Cohen, thanks very much. And don't forget you can get all the latest news, interviews and analysis on my Facebook page, there we post all the interesting stories we cover. And also check it out later as well for

excerpts for interviews on the program. Some of the most interesting conversations on The World Right Now.

Still ahead on the program, a gruesome execution in Syria.


ISIS has murdered a renowned antiquities expert in the ancient city of Palmyra. We'll speak with the former Syrian government official and

archaeologist who knew him for his thoughts on this horrific crime.

Also heading west Europe's migrant crisis moves beyond the Greek border as thousands look to make their way across the continent and strain resources

along the way. Stay with us.




[15:30:38] GORANI: A look at your top stories. The Thai Prime Minister is urging the prime suspect in a deadly attack on a Bangkok Shrine to turn

himself in.


GORANI: This video shows a police sketch of the suspect in the bombing which killed at least 20 people. And a Thai court has issued an arrest

warrant for "an unnamed male foreigner."


GORANI: Oscar Pistorius may not be released on Friday on House Arrest as had been widely expected.


GORANI: South Africa's Justice Minister has ordered a review of the Olympic athlete's parole on the grounds that the decision may have been

made prematurely.


GORANI: Israel's Supreme Court has suspended the administrative detention of Palestinian prisoner Mohammed Allan after his lawyer proved he'd

suffered some brain damage as a result of his partial hunger strike.


GORANI: Allan has been held since November 2014 without charge on suspicion of involvement with terrorism, a claim his lawyers and his family



GORANI: ISIS has beheaded an antiquities expert in the Syrian City of Palmyra.


GORANI: Khalid al-Assad spent decades overseeing Palmyra's historical treasures. An official tells CNN he was killed because he refused to

reveal the location of some specific artifacts.


GORANI: My next guest is an antiquities expert who once worked with Khalid al-Assad. Abdulrazzaq Moaz is a former Syrian Deputy Minister of Culture

who also oversaw the country's antiquities and museums.

He fled Syria after his own life came under threat and now is with the American School of Oriental Research, and he joins me live from Indiana.

Thank you sir from being with us. Tell us more about Khalid al-Assad, what kind of a man he was.

ABDULRAZZAQ MOAZ When we say Khalid al-Assad, that means (Palmyra) for us.


MOAZ: Palmyra which is one of the world heritages site and listed by the UNESCO and the World Heritage as a world heritage site. And Khalid al-

Assad was really a brave man.

I know him since more -- from maybe more than two decades, and I worked with him since the year 2000 when he was - I was Director of Antiquities

and he was Director also for Antiquities of Palmyra. He was, as you know, maybe Director of the Antiquities of Palmyra for 40 years.

He always tried to defend his site and he refused to leave Palmyra after the invasion of ISIS. And probably is the cause of his death because he

tried to defend his site, and he wouldn't want to leave Palmyra.


GORANI: He would have known that it was - he would have known that it was dangerous to stay in Palmyra. Knowing him, and we're sorry because I know

you were friends with him for your loss also as his friend..

MOAZ: Yes, this is emotional for me.

GORANI: . Knowing him, why do you think he's - yes, and thank you for joining us, I know it's difficult

MOAZ: Thank you.

GORANI: . for you but, why do you think he chose to stay knowing how dangerous it would be to remain in Palmyra?


MOAZ: Yes, I - the last conversation was with his son, (Waleed) who was the director of Antiquities of Palmyra after him now, and they said that

they want to stay, they will stay. However other people preferred to leave. So they want to stay there and they - to stay with their own

Palmyra historical Palmyra.

GORANI: But why do you think knowing how dangerous it was with ISIS taking over?

MOAZ: He assumed .

GORANI: .. . the town.

MOAZ: . the danger to stay and not leave his site and his (inaudible). Assuming the risk which he is taking.

GORANI: And knowing him, and you knew him from the 1990s I believe.

MOAZ: Yes.

GORANI: How did you react to the news that he was so brutally murdered? What went through your mind when you first heard this horrific news.

[15:35:05] MOAZ: ISIS used to always surprise us and surprise the international media as well with action like that.


MOAZ: But this one for me personally, for a person who I know who is 82 years old and he spent his life, 40 years working there, it was really



MOAZ: This is the first (inaudible) I was able to write to my colleagues it is Khalid al-Assad has been executed, it is a catastrophe, it is

unbelievable. I send that to the national organization as well to my friends and colleagues.


GORANI: What is your biggest worry for Palmyra now?

MOAZ: I - the site itself - ISIS in general they target mainly the sculpture.


MOAZ: Or they call it idols. And - so this is the main risk. Then secondly the site itself was its monument because yes they could also

destroy that but they target first the sculptures all that represent human and animal representations.


GORANI: Abdulrazzaq Moaz, an archeologist and professor joining us live from Indiana. We really appreciate your time and we know it's a difficult

time hearing the news today of the death of your friend and colleague. Thank you very much for joining us.

MOAZ: Thank you and my heart is with Syria and with Palmyra as well.

GORANI: Thank you very much.

Many headlines from Syria focus on the atrocities of ISIS but that is only part of the brutal civil war.


GORANI: The regime is also on the attack against its own enemies and civilians are often among the casualties.

Just days ago government airstrikes reportedly killed nearly 100 people in a rebel held town. Now a Syrian defector has released a cash of

photographs as evidence of the regime's systematic torture of civilians. And we warn you, this story contains very disturbing material, not suitable

for all viewers.

CNN's Brian Todd reports from Washington.

BRIAN TODD, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A top UN envoy in Syria's capital opening expressing his anger over the killing of more than 100

civilians in government airstrikes.

STEPHEN O'BRIEN, UN UNDER SECRETARY GENRAL FOR HUMANITARIAN AFFAIRS: I'm absolutely horrified by the total disregard for civilian life by all

parties in this conflict.

TODD: But despite allegations that Syria's President is bombing his own people and even used chemical weapons on them which he denies, Bashar al-

Assad, likes to present himself in interviews as a soft spoken benevolent leader.

BASHAR al-ASSAD, SYRIAN PRESIDENT: First of all it's not my nature to threaten anybody. It's a - I'm a very quiet person, I'm very frank but I

wouldn't threaten.

TODD: But his opponents say these photos show what happens to people who cross him. Pictures so horribly graphic we have to blur most of them.

Bodies mutilated, emaciated, many victims had their eyes gauged out.

O'BRIEN: This is almost routine. So many of them a sharp metal instrument is used to gauge out their eyes causing a spray of blood that you can see

sometimes around the eye socket, and just as a routine welcoming into the torture that they're going to have to endure.

TODD: These pictures recently exhibited in the halls of the U.S. Congress, taken by a former Syrian Military Police Photographer who goes by the

pseudonym Caesar. He testified before congress and is now in hiding.

Another defector, (Quataiba Idlibi) said he was tortured in a way that was almost clinical. When arrested he was made to strip then a doctor walked


(QUATAIBA IDLIBI, SYRIAN DEFACTOR): The doctor came and he started like touching my body and seeing like the muscles like I have. And then he told

them start with level three. So they would not waste time doing like doing stuff that my body can handle.

TODD: Human Rights activists say many of these victims were ordinary citizens some who'd spoken out against Assad or were believed to have

information on those who did.

Idlibi displayed a picture of a young man named (Mahmood) who he said was rounded up with his father and tortured just for being Idlibi's neighbor.

(Mahmoud's) father told Idlibi of his son's last words.

IDLIBI: He carried him and like put his head on his lap and (Mahmood), couldn't say anything he was just - he told me like he looked him in the

eye and he told him I just don't - I don't want to die dad.


[15:40:10] TODD: We reached out to Syrian officials in Damascus and at the U.N. about the photographs, they didn't respond. One top Syrian

official asked previously about the pictures said the accusation of government tortures and killings is "a huge lie."

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

GORANI: This is the World Right Now. Up next, under pressure.


GORANI: Tensions run high on the Greek island of Kos where officials have limited resources to deal with a massive influx of migrants. I'll speak to

the governor of Greece's South Aegean about his region is trying to cope. We'll be right back.




GORANI: Earlier this we told you about the dramatic attempts migrants are making to cross into Greece from Turkey.

Well today a cruise ship picked - packed I should say with migrants left the Greek Island of Kos, an island that's been struggling to cope with the

sheer numbers of arrivals.

One man at the center of the crisis there is George Hatzimarkos, he's the governor of the South Aegean region, and he joins me now on the line from


Sir, we saw the scenes, chaotic scenes in Kos, there's no real processing center there. South Aegean islands are having a very tough time dealing

with the influx of migrants. This ship that came into Kos is it - where is it heading right now?


GEORGE HATZIMARKOS: Good evening, Mrs. Gorani, and hello from Kos. The ship is sailing to Brugge the capital of Greece, and it's going to be back

again to collect people from not only Kos, but also (Kalymnos and Leros) which islands also face migrant crisis.

But the situation right now with all the islands is stable and very much under control.

GORANI: So you don't have any, we're not seeing any more of those scenes that we saw when those thousands of migrants were packed into the stadium.

But we did see some anger at the police station today. Are you feeling better equipped now to deal with the thousands of migrants who are - who

are arriving in Kos and the other islands in the South Aegean?

HATZIMARKOS: Well we're indeed increasing the resources day by day. Well the scenes that you also watched are actually very isolated incidents

happening only in a very limited space, right outside the police station, where they take their license to travel, that's all.

Now there was indeed a very large peak in the week between 7 and 14 of August we had something like 10 times up the number of migrants that we

usually receive. And we are facing the problem right now, and at the moment the situation is very stable and really under control in all the



[15:45:11] GORANI: Are you asking for help from the European Union? Are you getting the help that you're asking for? Because clearly you've said

in the past you cannot deal with this situation alone. That your islands are not equipped to process all these migrants.


HATZIMARKOS: Yes, to be very honest with you we should - I think that we should not be asking for help from the European Union. This is actually a

very European problem. Europe must react right now, and this is the high time for Europe to show solidarity and face a problem which is really a

European problem. These people are not crossing the Greek waters, these people are crossing the European borders. And this is going to be very

soon a European problem so it must be faced now, the time is now for Europe to react. And the time is now for Europe to show solidarity. The time is

now for Europe to show that it respects the principles it has been constructed on.

It is going to be a European problem very, very soon.


GORANI: Yes, and in many - in many ways it certainly already is. George Hatzimarkos, the governor of the south Aegean region in Greece. Thanks

very much for joining us there live on the phone from Kos.

Europe's migrant's crisis as we just heard there with the Governor is not just a problem for Greece and Italy, migrants are making their way west

across the continent and they are of course having to find ways to sustain themselves along the way.

Take a look at these pictures.


GORANI: Thousands of migrants are camped at a train station in a small town in Macedonia. Officials in that country have now added extra trains

to try to ease the crowding. Serbia is also seeing an influx.

ALEKSANDER VUCIC, SERBIAN PRIME MINISTER: [Translated] Daily we have 2,000 migrants entering from Macedonia into Serbia, it's a huge number of

us. Especially having in mind that for them it is now more difficult to leave Serbia.

That pressure is growing upon us but we'll never call it a problem like others are doing and we will solve it.


GORANI: For more I'm joined now by Claude Moraes, he's a member of the European Parliament and Chairs at Civil Liberties Justice and Home Affairs

Committee. Thanks for being with us.

You heard there from the Governor of the South Aegean region, we shouldn't even have to be asking for help from the European Union, they should be

offering the help, this is not a problem, it's a European problem. But Europe many are saying, critics, especially in Greece and Italy, is not

doing enough. Do you agree?

CLAUDE MORAES, MEMBER OF EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT: I agree. That was an accurate and a dignified interview and it was very restrained in fact given

he feels very over run on the island. And what he's witnessing in fact is the European Union. But the European Union is many things.

The European Union is Greece, his own country, it's us here in the United Kingdom, it's every single member state not doing enough. And if I said to

you that in 1992 when the former Yugoslavia, the Kurds, Iraqis, Sri Lanka were all at our door in bigger numbers than today, then I would be saying

there was a bigger crisis than today.


MORAES: Yet we are - we seem incapable of dealing with Greece, a country in deep austerity. So really we're not replying to the crisis. We could

have put in place a civil protection mechanism, but we're not. Why is this happening?

(Inaudible) and the commission to be fair wants to do something. In fact the commissioner involved is Greek in charge of this.

GORANI: Right, we've been trying to get an interview with him for several months, and he's not once granted us an interview.

MORAES: Well he has all the plans - he has all the plans.

GORANI: He's not sharing them with the media.

MORAES: Well let me tell you what the problem is. Well I can tell the media what the problem is.

GORANI: Yes, what is it?

MORAES: It's very simple. The member states will not do anything and the member states will not get together to do something. What they're actually

doing is talking about tens of thousands of people in resettlement plans. Relocation mechanisms dealing with say 20,000 people.

My school assembly had about 1,000 people in the morning. You know these are the numbers we're talking about yet there are about 2 million Syrians

in Turkey today.

The problem we have is that there isn't a political will at the moment in member states. I mean there are .

GORANI: Why is that because there's internal resistance from voters?

MORAES: Exactly. Because although there's lots of sympathy and you have pictures on CNN, and people have immediate sympathy and I'm sure there is

now on Twitter lots of sympathy when they see these pictures. The problem is it does not translate because your populous parties saying we don't want

these migrants.

GORANI: But that is - but that is a lack of leadership is it not? I mean really fundamentally if you believe this is a humanitarian crisis, one that

deserves an immediate and urgent response you really wouldn't have much problem relocating 40,000 migrants which by the way they have not even been

able to do.


GORANI: 40,000 is the number they agreed on in June, they have not been able to relocate 40,000.

MORAES: I would argue that all these countries are representative democracies and what these parliaments should do of course, Greece is in

deep austerity, but with that exception perhaps we should be relocating and you know resettling with those parliaments just saying look let's get on

with this because it's a disgrace not to do it. [15:50:15] When other countries by the way, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan are

doing it in the millions and not in the tens of thousands.

GORANI: Well for instance, Calais when you read the headlines, the newspapers like the Daily Mail and others to be fair with even elected

officials calling the migrants, I mean using terms like swarms and somehow portraying them as an .


MORAES: But the Prime Minister using the word swarm.

GORANI: Yes, so you .

MORAES: Let's call it what it is.

GORANI: But it is 1.1% of the total number of the migrants who have arrived in the EU.

MORAES: Absolutely.

GORANI: So again I've got to ask you Germany and Sweden are doing their part if you look at the overall numbers but Britain is a country that you

know has been (inaudible).

MORAES: (Inaudible).

GORANI: Yes, why Britain?

MORAES: Again I like to tell the truth, Britain opts out, Britain is not in Schengen.


MORAES: It means that it's separating itself from the European Union law on this. And that's not a good position to be in. Ireland does the same

and Denmark does the same. Yet Ireland is taking part in rescue operations in the Mediterranean today. It means that you can reverse the opt out too.

And I think we should be doing more of that in Britain.

But Calais as you said has only about 5,000 people yet we're going on and on about Calais because the political impact of Calais. And that's the

problem with this issue. That if you depoliticize it and get more humanitarian elements into it, we have the resources to deal with it.

We did in 1992 when we had the former Yugoslavia.

GORANI: Yes, well you had more, yes.

MORAES: And CNN by the way was reporting on that big time, and you might remember that. So we have the resources to deal with it even despite


GORANI: We've got to leave it there. A member of the European Parliament, Claude Moraes, thanks very much for joining us live on CNN, we really

appreciate you dropping by this evening.


GORANI: We have some new pictures just in to CNN from Thai police. They show the prime suspect in Monday's deadly attack on a Hindu Shrine moving

around Bangkok away from that Shrine area.

He's easily recognizable because he's wearing that yellow t-shirt. The first two images show him with a backpack, we know from surveillance video

that the suspect left it under a bench at the Shrine and then walked away and then the bomb exploded just minutes later, killing at least 20 people.


GORANI: Coming up on The World Right Now, adulterers are exposed.


GORANI: Hackers have shared data on millions of users of an adult dating website aimed at married people who want to have affairs. The scandalous

details are ahead.




GORANI: Hackers have followed through with their threat against the cheating website, Ashley Madison a month after they won the site to shut

down or risk a huge data leak. The hackers known as Impact Team, published the sites customer information on what's known as the dark web.

Let's go to CNN's money tech correspondent, Laurie Segall for more.

So is it - are all the names out there? What's going on?

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECH CORRESPONDENT: There is quite a bit of information out there Hala. I'll tell you this, 35 gigabytes, that is an

enormous amount of data.


SEGALL: Let me go specifically through some of the things you'd see if you were on the dark web. 33 million accounts leaked, 36 million email

addresses, payment information and this is where things get really personal, street addresses, home addresses, internal corporate data.


[15:55:05] SEGALL: I spoke to a security researcher who just said this is an incredibly impactful hack and when we're looking at who's behind this or

who could be behind it, we don't know much about the hackers.


SEGALL: They're a group that call themselves the Impact Team, this is their first big hack and they say that they're doing this for moral

reasons. I want to read you a little bit from their manifesto. They said "if you find yourself in here? Learn your lesson and make amends.

Embarrassing now, but you'll get over it."

So Hala this is almost this breed of hacker - of hactivists that say they don't believe in what the site is doing and they have threatened to take it

down. And now you look at all this information out on the dark web.

And I'll tell you this, in the last couple of hours we're seeing sights on the open web where people can freely search and see if anyone they know is

on there, Hala.

GORANI: Would it - OK, just educate me, what is the dark web? I mean how do you access the dark web?

SEGALL: Sure, so think of the dark web as almost like a deeper layer of the web. You can't just go to the dark web right, you have to download a

browser called Tor. And what that browser does when you surf the web through Tor it will scramble your IP address so it looks like you could be

anywhere in the world. The dark web is essentially where a lot of hackers post very sensitive information that eventually makes its way to the open

web where anyone can find it. Hala.

GORANI: OK, I see. So you have to download that browser and then these websites will allow you access?

SEGALL: Absolutely although in this case it's just the beginning because now they're on the open web.


GORANI: That is right, so on the open web meaning anyone can go and search those, this database of names, of millions of names?

SEGALL: Absolutely there are probably three or four different sites right now.

GORANI: Well there's some divorce lawyers there preparing for some cases, and certainly some very nervous ex Ashley Madison customers. Thanks very

much. Laurie Segall.

We're going to leave it there for the program. This has been The World Right Now, I'm Hala Gorani, thanks for watching. Quest Means Business is