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Trump Gains In Polls At War With FOX News; Trump Gains In Polls, Attacks Megyn Kelly Again; Ashley Madison Hacking Scandal, Millions Of Names Revealed; Frats Offensive Banners; Kid Wrecks $1.5 Million Painting; Boy Wants Doll And Dad Approves; Jared`s Charity Is A Sham. Aired 9-10p ET

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[21:00:11] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Donald Trump is at it again on the attack against news anchors, politicians and women. Plus, deadly

fallout from the Ashley Madison hacking scandal. Several men have reportedly now committed suicide.

It all starts right now with the "Top of the Feed." Another Donald Trump explosion. This time, it is his retweeting -- retweet containing the word

bimbo and referring to Megyn Kelly from Fox News. Remember all this? Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind, and you do not use a politician`s filter. You

have called women you do not like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your Twitter account --

DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Only Rosie O`Donnell.

KELLY: Your Twitter account --

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING AND APPLAUDING)

TRUMP: Thank you.

KELLY: For the record, it was well beyond Rosie O`Donnell.

TRUMP: Yes, I am sure it was.

KELLY: Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about Womens` looks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DON LEMON, CNN HOST OF "TONIGHT" SHOW: What is it with you and Megyn Kelly?

TRUMP: She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. And, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her

eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Joining me to discuss, Omarosa Manigault, political commentator, former contestant on Donald Trump`s "The Apprentice"; Areva Martin,

attorney and legal consultant and Mike Cathewood, my "Love Line" KABC radio at 790 at noon to 2:00, Mondays to Fridays, co-host with me. Also host of

"Chain Reaction" on GSN.

And, in the audience I have Tomi Lahren, Conservative Political Commentator. Mike, do you think he understands the way people are reacting

to some of his comments?

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MICHAEL CATHEWOOD, "LOVE LINE" KABC RADIO CO-HOST AND HOST OF "CHAIN REACTION" ON GSN: Yes, I do. I think that now it has become -- we having

that reaction are almost fueling his desire to say these things.

OMAROSA MANIGAULT, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR AND FORMER CONTESTANT ON DONALD TRUMP`S "THE APPRENTICE": Absolutely. Yes.

CATHERWOOD: I think that he is a lot more shrewd about his -- what we look at is these bombastic kind of inflammatory comments. I think Mr. Trump is

a lot more shrewd, a lot more calculated when it comes to saying these things and we give him credits.

PINSKY: Well, Omarosa was telling me in the makeup room, she was saying, "Well, you know, he is the lead story on every news outlet today."

MANIGAULT: Every single one of them.

PINSKY: Every single store opens with Trump. And, then you also mentioned something about what happened on Megyn`s show, right?

MANIGAULT: Absolutely. So, she was on vacation for ten days. She came back, there are 17 candidates in this race. And, she opens up with a story

about Donald Trump`s immigration plan.

She calls it unrealistic and not conservative. And, no one is reporting that. He was responding to that, to her attack on his immigration plan.

He did not just start randomly tweeting about Megyn Kelly.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: But the problem Dr. Drew is, somehow Omarosa, you are suggesting that because his poll numbers are high,

it just --

MANIGAULT: It is "O." Omarosa.

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: Omarosa. OK. And because his poll numbers are high, it somehow justifies these demeaning and degrading and humiliating comments about

women. And, I want someone like you, a woman, and women across America to stand up and say --

MANIGAULT: Areva.

MARTIN: It is not OK to attack women.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MANIGAULT: I think it is -- ladies, ladies.

MARTIN: It is not OK to attack women.

MANIGAULT: I think what we are doing every time Donald Trump says something about Megyn Kelly and her boss has to come to her rescue, I think

that is demeaning to women. We do not need some big man to come and rescue us because somebody is critical of us.

Why did her boss have to write a comment to Donald Trump? Why did her boss have to defend her? She said if you cannot get through me, "How are you

going to handle Putin?" If she is comparing herself to Putin, she should be able to deal with 140 characters from Donald Trump --

MARTIN: She is not running for president.

PINSKY: Hold on. Tomi ring in on this.

TOMI LAHREN, CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: OK. We are talking about a war on women. Donald Trump is addressing something that is important

right now. What about Kate Steinle? The one who was murdered in San Francisco by an illegal immigrant. How of that war on women? About the

women that are dying at the hands of the democratic policy? How about Obamacare? Let us talk about that. This war in women, tweeting comments,

nothing to do with it.

PINSKY: Areva. Areva.

MARTIN: Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Wait. Hold on. Hold on. Apparently, Tomi is not your lady either Omarosa. Let us see if this audience member is. Go ahead.

(LAUGHING)

UNDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Donald Trump is not who needs to be representing our country.

PINSKY: Hold on. Areva, here you go. This is something -- somebody who Areva has been looking for. Yes, go ahead.

(LAUGHING)

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

UNDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: He is not who I want my children to look up to and say I want to be president some day. He -- I -- like let us

stick to the, to problems that we need to deal with in America. He is acting like a 15-year-old girl, tweeting his distaste for people. Whether

you like them or not, Donald, that is fine, but do not go to Twitter like a high school girl who has been scorned by a friend.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: All right. Fair enough. Mike.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: You know, I agree completely. I would never tell my children to look to Donald Trump as, like, an example of decorum, but --

[21:05:01] MANIGAULT: First of all, your children are not voting in the republican election.

CATHERWOOD: No, no. That is her point.

MANIGAULT: So, calm down.

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: But what she said -- this young lady`s point is that this is not who we need representing our country. I think that a lot of American

voters could really care less how he behaves as long as there is results attached. I really do.

MARTIN: Well, how many shows have we done on bullying, Dr. Drew. We talked about the negative consequences of bullying --

(CROSSTALK)

MANIGAULT: Do not use the bullying, Areva.

MARTIN: So Donald Trump gets to bully people on television.

MANIGAULT: Bullying?

MARTIN: He gets to do it on social media.

MANIGAULT: Areva.

MARTIN: He gets to do it in media and on everyone --

(CROSSTALK)

CATHERWOOD: I wonder though --

MANIGAULT: He is not bullying.

MARTIN: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

MANIGAULT: He is responding to something she said on her show.

MARTIN: Wait a minute. Everyone says because his poll numbers are high and because he is bringing ratings to television shows, it is OK to bully.

MANIGAULT: It is not bullying.

MARTIN: It is not OK to bully anyone.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Tomi.

LAHREN: I think part of the problem right now that Donald Trump is addressing is the fact that as Americans our skin has gotten way to thin.

MANIGAULT: Absolutely.

LAHREN: We need to have a thick skin.

MANIGAULT: Thanks, Tomi.

LAHREN: Why do you think we are sitting back, letting Iran make the deals and make secret side deals because we gotten weak.

PINSKY: Let me ask you. How old are you?

LAHREN: 23.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: You are 23.

CATHERWOOD: Perfect.

PINSKY: Does your opinion represent people at your age generally?

LAHREN: It represents my opinion, but --

PINSKY: No, what I am saying, what are you hearing from your peers? Are you seeing the same kind of --

LAHREN: You know, millennials want someone that is going to tell it like it is.

MANIGAULT: Yes.

LAHREN: We do not need a talking point. We do not need it. We do not have time for it.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: I think --

MARTIN: Fat, bimbo, a dog. I do not know when you talk about being thin- skinned. We are just talking about using some terms that represent who people are, not using ratings, not degrading women. Obama went on

television and called someone a pig. You guys would have his head on a platter!

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: I am going to show you something else before we go. Mr. Trump was confronted by an anchor from Univision, who spoke without having been

called upon. He was kicked out of the room and then welcomed back. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: OK. Who is next? Yeah, please. Excuse me, sit down. You were not called. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down. Go ahead. No, you do not.

You have not been called. Go back to Univision.

Yes, good, absolutely. Good. Absolutely. Good to have you back.

A lot of people think that if you come and you are on the other side of the border -- I am not talking about Mexicans, somebody on the other side of

the border. A woman is getting ready to have a baby. She crosses the border one day, has the baby, all of a sudden for the next 80 years,

hopefully longer -- but for the next 80 years, we have to take care of the people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Mike, go ahead.

CATHERWOOD: Well, I am going to say, Areva, as an attorney, you know, it is weird for me, I am the only male panelist up here. It is hard for me to

understand it.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I beg your pardon. I am all right.

CATHERWOOD: I said I am the only male panelist.

PINSKY: I know how you think of me.

CATHERWOOD: You are the host of the show.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Go ahead instead.

CATHERWOOD: Your name is on the marquee.

PINSKY: I am more straight than man, I get it.

CATHERWOOD: Listen. You know, it is hard for me to understand and that we encourage him to be this brush-tough talking guy. But, when he talks down

on an attorney, on a very well-respected journalist and attorney, at somehow bullying. And, I feel like Megyn Kelly is perfectly capable of

sticking up for herself as with you.

MARTIN: And, she did that. And, first of all, where are you getting this that we encouraged him to be bombastic. We are not encouraging him to be

bombastic. What I said, if you are ready for the president of the United States, be presidential. That is all we are asking him.

CATHERWOOD: Sure.

MANIGAULT: Areva.

MARTIN: He can have his views on immigration. He can have his views on abortion and a whole host of issues, but do not demean women, Latinos,

veterans, --

PINSKY: All right.

MARTIN: -- and just about everybody on the planet!

PINSKY: From the audience. Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think more to that point, a lot of Trump`s popularity comes from this echo chamber. It seems like he does

something big and bombastic and then you guys talk about it for two or three days on shows like this.

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: It is brilliant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, then we do not get to hear policy points from 16 other qualified candidates.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: But, you know, to answer that point, you know, you make a valid point. But, if Jeb bush said yesterday in response to Trump`s

popularity. He said, "You know, there is a lot of candidates on the republican side that are very good talkers."

And, as he said that I thought to myself, "You know what, Jeb Bush, you are not one of them." And, Donald Trump`s popularity, and the way he is

galvanized kind of, certainly interests in the republican ticket has not really deteriorated from the other candidates` policy, because they have

not really been coming forward with much. And, I have been trying my best to be in election --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: But, has he galvanized them? He gets high 70s unfavorable ratings in polls in his own party.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: He is galvanizing a wing of that party that nobody wants.

CATHERWOOD: He is galvanizing something, though. I mean, you are right. Maybe, is it popularity when it comes to the ballot box, we will see. But,

he is doing something to the political landscape in this country that we cannot avoid.

MANIGAULT: He is winning. He is winning.

LAHREN: He is winning.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MANIGAULT: Let us just sum it up. Donald Trump is winning. I woke up this morning. He was the headline for every single news show and that is a

win.

PINSKY: And, and to be fair, us not talking about it will not make him less of a headline in other shows. And, I am fascinated -- I am so

moderate. I do not know what to do with myself sometimes.

But I am fascinated when things stir people up. But, I am trying to understand what this is and why he is winning. It is interesting to me.

We will keep talking about it.

Later, several men with possible links to the Ashley Madison hack have reportedly killed themselves. We will talk about the implication to that

and more after this.

(MUSIC PLAYING)

[21:10:04] (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP (via phone): Certainly, I do not have a lot of respect for Megyn Kelly. She is a lightweight. And, you know, she came out there reading

her little script and trying to, you know, be tough and be sharp. And, when you meet her, you will realize, she is not very tough and she is not

very sharp.

I was very angry with the way I was treated, and you know perhaps justifiably. I think justifiably. But, Roger Ailes, who is an amazing guy

and an amazing executive, frankly, he called me yesterday and as far as I am concerned, I am fine with it.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST OF "NEW DAY" PROGRAM: So, you are over it. It was part of the deal that Megyn Kelly would not go on her show and attack you

and keep it going?

TRUMP: No. I do not care that. I mean, we did not even discuss that. It is not about Megyn Kelly.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And Trump has reignited a fight with Megyn Kelly, slamming the anchor on Twitter just last night. I am back with Omarosa, Areva, Mike,

Tomi. Trump just held a press conference, and when asked about Kelly, here is what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[21:15:06] UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Roger Ailes says you to apologize to Megyn Kelly. Would you do that?

TRUMP: No, I would not do that. She, actually, should be apologizing to me, but I would not do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Why should she be apologizing to you?

TRUMP: Because I thought her questioning and her attitude was totally inappropriate. So, it is just -- well, if you look -- all you have to do

is look on the internet today and you will see who people favor in that one.

But, I would not -- it is a very small element in my life, Megyn Kelly. I do not care about Megyn Kelly, but no, I would not apologize. She should

probably apologize to me, but I just do not care.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Omarosa, you were saying throughout this tape, you are going, "Exactly. Exactly." What are you mean, exactly?

MANIGAULT: I said when Roger Ailes comes out and says that Donald Trump should apologize, this is almost like a principal saying to two students,

"You all make nice." He undermines her. Roger Ailes undermines Megyn Kelly much more than Donald Trump could ever do.

PINSKY: Tomi, agree with that?

LAHREN: I think Megyn Kelly does not need anyone to stand up for her. She can do had herself neither does Donald Trump. Why do we have to pick a

side. They are both fiery. Let them go at each other. They do a great job already, let them go.

PINSKY: Audience. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, as far as I have been following this campaign, all he gets is attention. And, I have not heard anything

positive about him, anything that is positive about the country and the people.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

LAHREN: Positive? Look at his numbers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: It is not about only, you know, business and stuff. It is about people and leading this country to

nowhere, I guess.

PINSKY: Tomi, you seemed are not agreed by that.

LAHREN: Yes. When you say nobody likes him, I mean, who -- excuse me, he is filling stadiums right now. People love him. People love him because

most politicians will do slick things behind closed doors. He does it on stage in front of everybody. I respect that. You can agree with him or

disagree with him. At least someone is being genuine, finally. That is why it is resonating.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Areva, one of the things that I am surprised that has become more of a topic in conversation is something that was said during the republican

debates, which was that he did not have to accept money from anyone and that he had donated to all the other participants up there.

And, they had done what he asked them just because they took money from him. That should be a massive indictment of our system. They should be

talking about a constitutional amendment to end that.

MARTIN: It is ironic that a billionaire is talking about he does not have to give money to politicians, yet he gives money to politicians. And, he

is using his billions and his wealth to basically commandeer the entire republican field. So -- and, again, if this were anyone other than this

bombastic reality star, we would be indicting him for using his --

MANIGAULT: Wait a minute. You say reality star like it is an insult.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MARTIN: I am not -- I am calling it out like it is.

MANIGAULT: I am reality star and it does not mean we are not able to lead --

MARTIN: Let us deal with the facts. Did anyone hear me say he was not smart?

MANIGAULT: No, but you said, a reality star.

MARTIN: I said during a reality --

MANIGAULT: Ronald Reagan was a movie star and he became president and was a really good president, Areva. Do not undermine him because he is on T.V.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am. Audience. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, so, first of all, I just want to go to the other side of the political spectrum and just point outin

terms of genuineness, Bernie Sanders, you really cannot beat that level of sincerity and integrity, and someone who is in the system and voted against

the Iraq war.

So, I know that is on the other side of the spectrum, but I was just a little bit bummed when I heard Trump being hailed out as the only person

who is actually genuine. And, I have no problem being called a bimbo by him.

I wish the congress say -- I really wish people would talk about the lawsuits against Trump University and the sham that, that was and how he

ripped people off. And, I think that he will actually probably do that to the nation. And, I think as a billionaire, he is for himself. Maybe not

for others, but for himself.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Hold on. Omarosa, you said he likes helping people, no?

MANIGAULT: I find it so ironic that a woman who is a democrat would stand up and endorse Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton. I just found an

irony on that. And, then she starts talking about investigations. I mean seriously? Are you talking about investigations?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not vote by my ovaries. I vote with my mind. I hope you do the same.

(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: If the investigation you are referring to is what is happening with Hillary, maybe that is why Bernie Sanders is the preferred candidate.

MANIGAULT: But, I can also tell by her shirt and her earrings that she likes a good bargain.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

PINSKY: Come on now.

MANIGAULT: That was a joke. That was a joke.

PINSKY: That was below the belt. Below the belt. Tomi, your respond.

LAHREN: I love how we talk about -- I mean you are speaking of he is not for the American people. Does anyone pay attention to what Hillary has

been doing lately? Why would we pay attention to that? Where are those e- mails at? Talking about a liar. Donald Trump, he might say some things that might offend some people. He might piss some people off, he is not

hiding anything, though.

PINSKY: He actually called Howard Stern`s radio show this morning. He did not want to talk about Megyn Kelly, but he did say some interesting things.

Take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST: The only reason I was bothering you was this whole Megyn Kelly question about what she is on a one to ten scale, but I

see you do not want to answer that.

TRUMP: Well, you know, in the old the days, I would not have minded answering that question, but today I will take a pass.

[21:20:00] STERN: Now that you are going to be president, right?

TRUMP: Nowadays, I will take a pass.

(LAUGHING)

ROBIN OPHELIA QUIVERS, RADIO CO-HOST: That could follow you.

TRUMP: You see Robin, you learn with age, right? You learn with age.

STERN: Here is the other question.

TRUMP: You know, it is fine. I mean it is fine. And, FOX has been fine. Roger Ailes is an amazing guy and they have been very fair.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Mike, do you think he has been good with FOX? Roger Ailes is fine.

CATHERWOOD: I do not know if he has an option in what he can say in front of the cameras, but I suspect that before this whole Megyn Kelly brouhaha

tha t Roger Ailes was probably not very excited about Donald Trump in his campaign.

Because, you know, for the last two decades or so, every republican, not only republican candidate, anyone who is in the limelight on the Republican

Party are on the right side of the political landscape, very conveniently aligned themselves with FOX news and their rhetoric.

And, Donald Trump is a man who cannot be contained by that network, cannot be contained by any kind of media outlet at all. And, I am not sure that

FOX is happy about that.

PINSKY: It is interesting to me how this conversation unraveled so quick.

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: You want to know something that is very interesting and we kind of glossed over it. But you brought up Bernie Sanders, who is clearly

a very admirable guy, a very smart man and certainly competent enough to be president of the United States.

But Bernie Sanders would never have the wherewithal to call Howard Stern out of blue this morning. Bernie Sanders would never have the wherewithal

to take to Twitter. And, we look at it as tawdry. We look at it as beneath someone who should be president of the Unite States.

But I think that there is a lot of voters, a lot of voters that are not necessarily in our generation, maybe in her generation, that really do not

care. And at least that exposure, that exposure to a whole different aspect.

PINSKY: Is this a more modern kind of politics?

LAHREN: It is. We want someone who engages with us, not someone who just goes on T.V. and seeks talking points. He talks to the people. He

addresses the people. And, speaking of someone who is a celebrity, have not we seen President Obama with a selfie stick talking to BuzzFeed? I

mean let us -- Why are we picking on Donald Trump here?

MARTIN: Let us deal with the facts here. First of all, you are wrong, Mike, and you are wrong about taking to social media. Bernie Sanders has

built his whole campaign over the last three or four months using social media. He has been packing stadiums with 20,000 and 30,000 people. Donald

Trump is not the first person running for president who has done that.

CATHERWOOD: Yes, I am not sure --

MARTIN: So, you got to be honest about this. Social media has been used by all the candidates, and Bernie Sanders very effectively.

(CROSSTALKS)

CATHERWOOD: You are right. You are right. I am not sure it has been used as effectively or at least not necessarily -- let us not make --

MARTIN: Because he is not calling women bimbos and pigs and dogs on social media.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

LAHREN: He is a self-proclaimed socialist.

MANIGAULT: He never called someone an A-hole.

LAHREN: Enough said. We are done. He is a socialist. We are done. He has already said, "I am a socialist." Bernie sanders, self-proclaimed,

socialist. We are done.

MARTIN: We have the absolute right to vote for Bernie Sanders despite of what he calls himself. We do not know what Donald Trump is. He says he is

part of the Republican Party, but a lot of people say he is a democrat. So, we do not know what he is.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Let me just say, he is polarizing. He gets the conversation going. He is getting people engaged in politics. I like all that. It is

sort of quasi weird to me in how things unravel in every conversation that starts with Mr. Trump, that we have about him.

And, part of it is that we get side lined by our emotions. We also get sideline by the rhetoric that he is using that marginalizes and scapegoats

certain populations, but that is what keeping him in the headline. So, that is what he is going to keep going.

CATHERWOOD: I am going to take a bold stance here, but I am not going to vote with my ovaries either.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Good. Mike, we have a conclusion. Something is concluded tonight at least.

Next up, the Ashley Madison hack may have led to suicides of several alleged customers, back after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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[21:23:29] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CATHERWOOD: Ashley Madison is devoted to cheating. Sure, a lot of us morally do not agree with that. Does not change the fact, it is a legal

business.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: It is sort of weirdly moralistically satisfying these people who are outed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: It is not automatically that they cheated. I mean, they logged onto the website or somebody might have used their e-

mails.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, I did not meet anyone at first." That is such BS. It is totally your dog ate your

homework.

(LAUGHING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CATHERWOOD: If you get an account on Ashley Madison, you have already cheated in my opinion.

SCHACHER: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: You make a sanctified vow in front of God and everybody and then you just crap on everybody, really? Is that the world we live in now?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: If you have an Ashley Madison account, but do not hook with anyone, are you still a cheater? Areva was scoffing at that. I am back

with Mike, Areva, Tomi, and Omarosa. Also, joining me now is my own daughter, Paulina Pinsky. She is a blogger. Did you have any trouble

getting here, Paulina?

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PAULINA PINSKY, BLOGGER: I have not really gotten used to L.A. since moving back from New York.

PINSKY: OK.

PAULINA PINSKY: Can you drive me places from now on?

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Me personally? Yes, your highness, I am done and done.

PAULINA PINSKY: Thank you.

CATHERWOOD: Have you seen your father drive? Are you sure?

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Several websites have been created to make it easier to find out if people you know have Ashley Madison accounts. Should Ashley Madison

cheaters confess? This is my question to all of you, guys.

In other words, if somebody -- Areva, you are holding your tongue on this. If somebody has been on that site and know they have used it, should they

just go ahead and confess to their partners and important people in their lives?

MARTIN: I do not think so, Dr. Drew. And, I do think just because you have signed up on a site, you have already cheated. Obviously, you have

expressed an intent to either cheat or learn more about how you cheated, let it aside. But, lots of people signed up for sites.

PINSKY: You are talking like such an attorney.

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: No. They do not go any further with it. Come on. How many times have you explored something? And then your moral compass said, "You know

what? This is not for me." So, I do not think we can indict everyone that signed up on the site.

PINSKY: All right, Paulina.

MARTIN: There are a lot of cheaters that is out.

PAULINA PINSKY: Why do we need to know? That is none of our business.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: So, you are of the opinion that we should not even be talking about it? We should not -- Because there are a bunch of celebrities that

have been on this. Do we just not report on that?

PAULINA PINSKY: I think that we live in a culture where sexuality is really forbidden.

PINSKY: Yes.

PAULINA PINSKY: And, if we had more healthy approach towards sexuality, people would not be going to these sites and like feeling so repressed and

having to get out in these weird ways. I think it would not be taboo if we actually talked about sex.

PINSKY: But they are married, though. Those people are married, committed, for the most part. Tomi, do you agree with this. Wait, Tomi

first.

LAHREN: People cheat, my goodness. The headlines now, people cheat. We know. --

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: You are like Paulina. She says whatever. Everybody cheats. Omarosa.

MANIGAULT: I think it becomes out business when they are using government e-mail addresses, and they are on government time and taxpayer dollars,

that is when it becomes our business.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:30:04] CATHERWOOD: See. I think that it does become our business if it is tied in to the well-being of taxpayers. But, when it comes down to

just a married man and a married woman, I mean let us step back and analyze what is going on. Some hackers broke the law egregiously. And, now

because of that, we are going to force people to come forward and confess to their partners?

PAULINA PINSKY: Yes. That is right.

CATHERWOOD: That is asinine.

MARTIN: A lot of marriages are open and people agree.

PINSKY: Yes, but this is not an open marriages.

MARTIN: Well, we do not --

PINSKY: This is people really harming the people they say they love with behaviors. And frankly, I have always been outraged that this thing

existed.

MARTIN: 30 million people were on that site.

PINSKY: I know. Listen --

MARTIN: So, lots of people think that, that is OK. They are consenting adults.

PINSKY: And then they have sick marriages, and they should get help. That is all I am saying. You see, that is the point.

PAULINA PINSKY: I mean -- exactly. But, I do agree that if you are using government jobs, we are not paying taxes, so you can go on Ashley Madison.

I do agree with that.

PINSKY: Let me go write that down for one a second.

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: Bold stance.

PAULINA PINSKY: Thank you. No, but, again, what people do in their marriages is not our business.

PINSKY: And, we should not allow illegal hackers to take that.

CATHERWOOD: Right. Right. Imagine if this was anything else besides something that we can all agree is probably immoral, we would not even be

having this conversation. If this was --

PINSKY: What I said, though --

CATHERWOOD: If this was music streaming and hackers were to unleash the identities of people who were maybe, you know, illegally streaming some

music, would we force them to come forward to their moms and dads and say, "You know, you downloaded that Limp Biscuit song, son."

PINSKY: That is pretty outrageous.

CATHERWOOD: Yes, that is insane.

PINSKY: On the audience.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think there is two simple solutions to this. Keep it in the pants, and stay off the internet. If you do not

want people talking about your marriage and your business, you probably want to say off on cheating websites.

And, stay off the internet. If you are on the internet, you are making yourself open to anybody, finding out anything about you. If your problems

is that important, stay off the internet.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: It is a valid point. It is a valid point.

MARTIN: It is an absolute valid point. But guess this, Dr. Drew, if it will make you feel any better, there are class action lawsuits being filed

as we speak against Ashley Madison for failing to keep that information private, for breach of contract and breach of fiduciary duty.

So, they were promised that their information would not be disclosed, not made public. So, I do not know if this site is going to be able to

survive. There is going to be massive lawsuits against it.

PINSKY: Tomi.

LAHREN: I am actually going to agree with you. Imagine that? Is not that are job --

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: All smart women eventually agree.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I am going to leave the four of you after the show. We will see how much agreement there really is.

LAHREN: We cannot cheer for the hackers now because some immoral men and women came out and have been exposed. Now, we are like, "Yey for hackers."

And, then when we are at target --

PINSKY: Right.

LAHREN: And now our information gets exposed --

PINSKY: That is right.

LAHREN: And we are like, "Oh, hackers are bad." You cannot pick and choose that way. It is not the way it works.

PINSKY: That is the point, even though it is weirdly moralistically satisfying that this happened.

LAHREN: Right.

PINSKY: I am actually only weirdly satisfied -- listen, I am weirdly satisfied that the company is being held accountable in a weird -- not for

what I would like them to be held accountable, they have destroyed lives in a different way, but it is still destroying lives.

CATHERWOOD: I remember a couple years ago right when the pot clinics got legalized at least in California in the local --

PINSKY: What are you talking about now? What is it?

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: Well, because -- No. In Venice --

PINSKY: How does thing come forward to any of this all of a sudden.

CATHERWOOD: Listen to me.

PINSKY: I am listening.

CATHERWOOD: In Venice, there was this like weed clinic, and they still have to do cash only. Someone knocked at it and they robbed it. OK?

PINSKY: OK.

CATHERWOOD: And, I remember like some older folks in the neighborhood, they are like, serves them right that, you know, they are serving pot -- it

is like, yes, you may not agree with it. It is still a legal business, and it just got robbed by guys at gunpoint. It does not make it in any way all

right or should we --

PINSKY: Yes. Yes, ma`am.

CATHERWOOD: We should not be accomplices to it.

PINSKY: Yes, you are right. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think what we are missing here is like, it is easy for us to say, "Ooh, you know, it is immoral, but just let

them keep doing it." But it is not your family that is being affected. It is not your children that are being affected by this.

(AUDIENCE APLAUDING)

PINSKY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: You make your bed, and you lie in it. That is the way that works.

PINSKY: So, I am not sure I got your point. So, the point is you are happy they were outed, even though --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes!

PINSKY: But they were outed by nefarious means. I mean it was illegal hacking -- you do not care.

CATHERWOOD: A legitimate --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: No.

CATHERWOOD: A legitimate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: It is a legitimate -- and you know what?

CATHERWOOD: Unethical, but legitimate business.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: If you think that you have privacy on the internet, you are wrong.

PINSKY: Correct. Paulina, last thoughts. Hold it right there.

PAULINA PINSKY: That is an important point that you have no privacy on the internet.

PINSKY: No matter what.

PAULINA PINSKY: But, again, people are killing themselves over this, is that worth it?

PINSKY: It is not just worth it. Should the hackers be held accountable?

PAULINA PINSKY: Right. And, yes, I think so.

PINSKY: Hold it right there. We will keep the conversation going. Our attorney, who all women agree with, apparently, will be ringing in on that

issue in just a second. And, later, Jared, the former subway spokesperson is facing child pornography charges. He has another problem. Be back

right after this.

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[21:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAKING)

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CATHERWOOD: If this was like your Amazon account, no -- there would no controversy here. We would be like, "We must catch these hackers. They

are going to bring us down."

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LAMAR TURNER, AUDIENCE MEMBER: I would do it. Why get married and then cheat?

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARIE, HAD EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIR ON ASHLEY MADISON SITE: And, at the time, I was honestly looking just for a friend with benefits and it was the perfect

site to go on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CATHERWOOD: Why not just separate and then bang whoever you want and not have to go on Ashley Madison?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARIE: I was not out to destroy anyone`s family.

PINSKY: Yes, but --

MARIE: It was strictly for sex.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARIE: I have since gone on Match.com and some of the other sites, and there are just as many men married or with partners on those sites.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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PINSKY: It is an attack on the person you say you love most in the world and an attack on your kids. You are attacking, directly harming -- putting

them in harm`s way. What the hell is the matter with people?

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PINSKY: Well, 37 million Ashley Madison profiles have been leaked. But the website Gawker.com found three zip codes in which there are no Ashley

Madison accounts. Two towns in Alaska and one in New Mexico, everybody.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:40:00] Congratulations. Back with Paulina, Areva, Mike, Tomi and Omarosa. So, Omarosa -- I mean, Areva, before the break, we are talking

about holding the site accountable for the suicides, and you were saying no.

MARTIN: You were saying the hackers should be held accountable.

PINSKY: Or the hackers. Yes.

MARTIN: And, there is something in the law called foresee ability. So, I do not think any court would hold those hackers accountable for someone

that commits suicide or feels like their marriage is now destroyed, their life is destroyed. So much that they want to kill themselves.

But, people can sue the site for failing to protect their privacy, for allowing that, you know, the security system not to be tighten up, so that

those hackers could get into it. So, we are going to see some lawsuits, but they will be against Ashley Madison for the leak.

PINSKY: And, Paulina, you heard that woman on that I was talking to yesterday talking about the fact that all the other sites have married and

freaks out there too.

PAULINA PINSKY: Oh, yes. I have had people asked me to trample them for money.

PINSKY: Mike, trample for money.

CATHERWOOD: Yes, sometimes.

PAULINA PINSKY: I have had married men asked me, like their whole profiles about how they are married and their wife does not know. But, if I am

down, they are down. I have had the weirdest things come out at me --

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I do not know if I want to hear this on live television. That is all I am saying.

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: But, Dr. Drew. Married people had been hooking up with married people way before there were internet sites. So, I am not sure where this

surprise is coming from.

PINSKY: It is not surprise. It is righteous indignation.

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: OK.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDNENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, I think people are very quick to judge a site because it directly says that it is for cheaters.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDNENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I cannot tell you how many times, I have been approached by married men on even Facebook.

MARTIN: Oh gosh!

UNIDNENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: If Facebook get hacked, it would probably break more relationships, because the people on the cheating

website probably are a little bit more open that they do cheat. The people on Facebook, you would never guess that they are cheating.

CATHERWOOD: We were not supposed to talk about that.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Tomi.

LAHRED: This is nothing -- this is nothing new. People cheat on Facebook. People cheat on Tinder. People text message each other. This is a hack.

It should be taken as a hack. It is illegal action. Enough said. Why are we thinking, "Oh this is good for them?" Then, I hope you say the same

thing I do say. When your Amazon gets hacked, I hope you say the same thing.

PINSKY: Omarosa.

MANIGAULT: Dr. Drew, why cannot people just be faithful? Why do people --

PINSKY: You know what?

MANIGAULT: You are the doctor. Why do they cheat?

PINSKY: Because we are the old fogeys. Come up and join me on stage here.

(LAUGHING)

MANIGAULT: Yes, I will.

PINSKY: The old fogeys -- Let us just address our audience for a second.

MANIGAULT: Yes.

PINSKY: Come here. So, this is what married couples do. They commit to each other. They do not cheat. They take a vow in front of God. They

stand up in front of an audience and say I will not do these things, and then they do not do them. Are we old-fashioned?

MANIGAULT: We are very old-fashioned. Just do not cheat.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: OK, fair enough.

CATHERWOOD: Wait. Wait. Wait. Listen, I completely agree. I completely agree. But, as someone who the generation below you guys, I am by no means

a millennial, I am not a spring chicken.

MANIGAULT: Excuse me. Wait a minute.

PINSKY: How dare you! How dare you to offend Omarosa like that.

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: But, I think that infidelity has been going on since your grandparents were in diapers. Yes, I was going to say, all I know about

history, I know from T.V. and Don Draper banged everyone that he laid his eyes on.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I am not pollyannaish about this. But, go ahead. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I am going to have to agree with your daughter. It should not be for the public. When you get married, you get

married to one other person. You do not get married to the world. If it was for the world to know you are cheating or what not, it would be on

Google. You will be listing yourself on Google.

PINSKY: Do you think if people have public profiles and public lives that it would be the public is business?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: They are not public figures.

PINSKY: Well, no, but I am going to tell you name some of the celebrities that have been allegedly posted on these accounts. Allegedly, Snooki`s

husband, Jionnis? Johnnies?

PAULINA PINSKY: Jionnis.

PINSKY: Jionnis. Email address was used but not clear if the credit card that accounted belongs to him. So, we are going to -- the people are

talking about that. The thing that people are really getting into is the husband of one of Real Housewives of New York City.

He had an account. This is Kristen Taekman`s husband Josh. He initially denied it but then confessed when he was presented with the evidence that

his credit card was used a couple times -- oh, no, wait, 60 times on the website. You know, I do not know. I guess if you are in the public, you

should be expecting a little more scrutiny?

PAULINA PINSKY: Here is a problem. Everyone has a Facebook -- almost everyone. Everybody has Facebook profiles. A lot of people are public

about their lives. And, now we expect every single details at everyone`s life. And, that is weird.

PINSKY: You are right.

PAULINA PINSKY: That is so weird.

MARTIN: It is weird, but it is the reality.

PINSKY: No, but she is right.

MARTIN: It is the world we live in, with 24/7 news cycles. Everyone`s life is an open book. As much as we want to keep things private, of course

it is going to report.

PINSKY: But it is weird.

PAULINA PINSKY: I mean not that cheating is sacred, but --

MARTIN: Not very much as sacred.

PAULINA PINSKY: Right.

MARTIN: And, when you sign up on a website that says, you know, have an affair, have fun, and whatever it says, it is not going to be private.

CATHERWOOD: I am surprised in the world where it seems that you can fall into some sexual affair whenever you want to with swiping right, that 30

million people still need to go to Ashley Madison.

MARTIN: 37.

CATHERWOOD: 37.

PINSKY: I am surprised I am not seeing a pandemic of some sort of weird pelvic inflammatory disease, because -- you know what I mean?

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: There is going to be a new infectious disease that comes around. Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: It is not about the cheating. It is about an online business that got hacked.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: It is the business owner who runs the business online. I do not want this to happen to me.

[21:45:00] PINSKY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not want someone to hack into my business, and take all my clients` personal information and use it.

PINSKY: It is nor OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: It is not right. It is not OK. It is not about the cheating. It is about hacking a legitimate business.

Period.

PINSKY: Yes. And, see, Areva, all women agreed with you.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

MARTIN: I agree. And, when that lawsuit gets filed, they get hit with that big judgment, more and more of these online companies are going to

beef up their security, so that this cannot happen.

PINSKY: Well, listen, we all -- the caveat emptor, they say. All of us, beware. If you get online, I do not care what the sites says, you can be

hacked. The Pentagon can be hacked for God`s sakes.

Next, news about Jared Fogle. This former Subway spokesman making headlines again for all the wrong reasons. Back after this.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:50:00] PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram feeds, and Paulina, first.

PAULINA PINSKY: So, Mike has always told me that men are useless until the age of 30.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PAULINA PINSKY: His words not mine. And, this story proved that. There were banners hanging from an off campus house at Old Dominion University

for drop off. And, parents read the signs that said, "Rowdy and Fun! Hope your baby girl is ready for a good time." "Freshman Daughter Drop Off"

with an arrow pointing to a designated area, and "Go ahead and drop off mom too."

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Oh!

PAULINA PINSKY: My mom would be, like, "Yeah, let us go."

PINSKY: But is this indicative of what is happening in the Greek scene in college campuses?

PAULINA PINSKY: Exactly.

PINSKY: Is it time for those to go.

PAULINA PINSKY: That is a bold statement. I do not know if I can --

PINSKY: You are not ready to make that. OK.

PAULINA PINSKY: I will say as a freshman in college, I would have thought this was funny. Now, having just graduated from college, I do not think it

is funny. I think it perpetuates their culture where men fell entitled to women`s bodies. Like that is not funny. There are smarter ways to be

funny.

PINSKY: Fair enough. Yes, ma`am. Yes, ma`am.

PAULINA PINSKY: Yes, listen to me.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Areva, go ahead.

MARTIN: OK --

PINSKY: Mike, stop laughing. Mike thinks this is the best day of his life.

PAULINA PINSKY: He has been feeding me advice since day 1.

MARTIN: We have all seen the anxiety inducing sign that says, "You break it. You buy it." Well, there is a 12-year-old boy in Taiwan, who is

thankful that was not the policy at a recent museum tour he was on. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY (voice-over): Oh my God.

MARTIN: (voice-over): Surveillance video catches this boy tripping into this art display and punching a fist-size hole through a 350-year-old

baroque painting.

PINSKY (voice-over): Uh-oh.

MARTIN (voice-over): The artwork, called "Flowers", was painted around 1600 and is valued at, get this, $1.5 million. But, the good news is, the

painting`s owner says the artwork is insured and the boy`s family will not have to pay to restore it. So, happy ending.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Did they mention who the artist was? Did they say that in the story who the artist was? No?

MARTIN: It is a baroque -- 350-year-old painting. So, very expensive and very rare.

PINSKY: Got you. It is crazy. Mike.

CATHERWOOD: All right. A boy gets a duplicate gift for his birthday. So, his dad takes him to the toy store to exchange one of the gifts. Check it

out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FATHER: And, this is what he chose. Now, how do you think a dad feels when his son wants to get this?

UNIDENTIFIED KID: Yeah!

UNIDENTIFIED FATHER: Yeah! That is how I feel, right, Ziri? I let my boys choose their life, choose your expression, choose what you are into,

choose your sexuality, choose whatever. You have my promise right now, both of you, as we sit in this car, in this hot car in this parking lot,

you have my promise forever to love you and accept you no matter what life you choose.

(KIDS SCREAMING WITH JOY)

UNIDENTIFIED FATHER: Yeah!

(KIDS SCREAMING WITH JOY)

(LAUGHING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CATHERWOOD: So, that father sent this show a statement saying that this video is, quote, "A reminder of how much we all need to feel embraced and

accepted."

PINSKY: Very cool. Very cool.

MARTIN: Very cool.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, Jared Fogle back in the news. And, I will tell you why after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:57:33] PINSKY: More controversy swirling around Jared Fogle, the former Subway pitchman. He is under house arrest for having had sex with

minors, allegedly, allegedly. Tax records reportedly revealed that his so- called "Charity to Fight Childhood Obesity" was quote, "A sham."

Get this, 60 percent of the money spent went directly to the executive director`s pocket. And, let us remember, he is the guy who also was

arrested on child porn charges for getting some of these subjects for Mr. Jared.

Another 26 percent of that money just plain old unaccounted for. Oh, my God. Just a terrible story. Now, before we go, this is a more uplifting

topic, I want to get into. I got a clip from our special, which is tomorrow night and Thursday night. It is called "Transgender in America."

Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED TRANSGENDER FEMALE (1): Just because Caitlyn Jenner is not your hero, she is someone. Someone`s life will get saved because of it.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED TRANSGENDER FEMALE (2): The reason I did not come out or transition in India was because my family would be there, and that would

mean that they would have me killed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED TRANSGENDER FEMALE (3): I was in the military.

PINSKY: The Navy.

UNIDENTIFIED TRANSGENDER FEMALE (3): Yes, that is when I started -- slowly started my transition. I left under honorable discharged for being

discriminated again. I mean I was constantly harassed. I was not physically harassed but I was verbally insulted every single day that I was

trying to do my job.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: We have two special shows on the topic this week. It is again, "Transgender in America." It airs tomorrow at 6:00, our usual time.

"Transgender and race airs Thursday 9:00 P.M. eastern, 6:00 P.M. on pacific time here. It is on HLN. We are pretty proud of the show. Mike, you are

part of that. What did you kind of take away from it?

CATHERWOOD: I think that anyone who takes the time to watch it is going to come away with something. They are going to learn something. We really

took a lot out of it just from filming it.

PINSKY: Yes, I know. It was a life changing

CATHERWOOD: And, you know what? Honestly, regardless of how you feel about the idea of transgender and the transformation, I think we all

struggle with that kind of universal feeling of trying to find out who we really are. And, all their stories really resonated with them.

PINSKY: Very human. Very human. And, you Pauline, having coached me on preferred gender pronouns.

PAULINE PINSKY: Right.

PINSKY: I still made some messed up. And, that is part of dealing.

PAULINA PINSKY: That is part of it.

PINSKY: Yes. That is part of us all kind of managing the transgender phenomenon people.

PAULINA PINSKY: Absolutely. And, the point is that you are trying to educate yourself and that is all we can do is educate ourselves.

PINSKY: And, that is what you will find when you see this show. We can all be trans ally. It is not a big deal, but there is a lot they deal with

it. So, you will surprised to see it, particularly the women of colors. It is really kind of heartbreaking, but it is human and it is touching.

Thank you for watching.

[22:00:00] Thank you all in the audience. Thank you panelists. Great job. Now, DVR us so you can watch us. DVR that special, too, if you

cannot get that live. See you next time. .

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