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Thousands of Migrants Arrive in Germany; New Lead in Hunt for El Chapo; Police on Edge Accross US; More on Clinton E-Mail Scandal

Aired September 05, 2015 - 15:00   ET

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[15:00:11] DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Deborah Feyerick in for Poppy Harlow.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

FEYERICK: And we begin this hour with breaking news, and indications that Russia may be increasing its support to the Syrian government. Secretary of state John Kerry called his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov today to discuss reports of a possible military buildup. Kerry made clear that if the reports are accurate, it could further escalate the conflict.

Here's what CNN global affairs correspondent Elise Labott had to say to our Martin Savidge the last hour.

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ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Secretary Kerry has been working with Russian foreign minister Lavrov trying to get a political solution in Syria. It's been a long slog. You've seen some recent activity in the last few months indicating they may be trying to get something going. So if the Russians are increasing their military presence in Syria, it would certainly complicate that.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And that's the concern then, that you know, somehow we're going to step away from a negotiated settlement here and that it's more that the Syrian regime, with the help of the Russian is going to go forward with the military option.

LABOTT: Well, it could be a couple of things. It could be that the Russians are going to escalate airstrikes against ISIS. You know, because ISIS is also going against the regime. But the real concern is that the Russians are increasing their activity on behalf of President Assad, against the opposition, and you know, or they may be taking steps to secure, you know, their own position if the Assad government collapses. It's been very wobbly lately. The opposition has gotten some real gains on the battlefield in recent months, but you know, it is a concern.

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FEYERICK: So if this is true, what can the U.S. really do about this? Joining me now to discuss is CNN's global affairs analyst Kimberly

Dozier and former CIA operative Bob Baer. The Syrian conflict is already an incredibly complex situation. The U.S. has been concerned about Russian involvement for a long time. If president Putin does expand military support for Bashar al-Assad, what does this mean specifically for the U.S., for the United States?

KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, I think it means that the Syrian government is on much more precarious ground than we knew. Bashar al-Assad had given recent speeches to his people where he said we're not able to take back some of the territory we've lost because we simply can't muster the military support. Therefore, this might be a signal of why he is accepting military help from Russia.

Russia may have listened to this and said we can't see the Assad regime fall. The Obama administration doesn't want the Assad regime to fall quickly, because then there will be this chaotic fight between the free Syrian army that's not quite ready to take over, and very powerful groups like al-Nusra and ISIS battling it out.

FEYERICK: So, interesting. So you see this as sort of an admission that Bashar al-Assad is weaker than he has admitted. But what is the end game? If you've got the Russians going in to help the Syrians. You've also got the Iranians who are there as a partner as well. Does this mean ISIS is getting much stronger, Bob? Or does this mean simply that the Russians have a very different end game in sight?

BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST: Well, I think there's a bit of a panic in Moscow as well as Damascus. The Islamic state is moving -- what I call an offensive along the Turkish border. It's moving in the regime-held areas. The Syrian regime doesn't have the troops to hold them back. And Russia will not let Bashar al-Assad collapse and neither will Iran, and they will commit troops.

The Russians do not understand our position. They don't understand why we let the Islamic state take Syria, for instance. And they believe that the United States should join them to prop up this regime. Not that they particularly like Bashar al-Assad, but the situation, frankly, is very dire in Syria and getting worse.

FEYERICK: So, Kimberly, is there a possible then that - possibility that we're going to see an increased presence of Russian ground forces who are committing to fight these opposition forces?

DOZIER: Well, Russia, normally sends its special operations teams in to advise local forces and they're already pretty committed in Ukraine. So I don't think you're going to see large numbers, but there have already been reports from my colleague Michael Weis of "the Daily Beast" of eyewitnesses seeing Russian officers meeting with Syrian officers.

I think what you are seeing, though, is possibly Russia trying to strengthen Assad's hand for future negotiations. There have been behind the scenes, discussions between Russia, gthe U.S. Saudi Arabia, et cetera, about finding some face you're seeing is Russia trying to strengthen Assad's hand for future negotiations. There have been discussions about finding some face-saving way out for the Assad regime that keeps some part of the regime intact.

And the Russian president recently announced that Assad was open to negotiations with a quote-unquote "healthy opposition," whatever that means. So I think we're seeing a lot of maneuvering to strengthen his hand.

FEYERICK: All right. Well, we have so much more to talk about. But Bob Baer, Kimberly Dozier, we are going to thank you right now. We're going to come back a little bit later and we're going to switch to another related crisis.

More than 7,000 migrants expected to arrive today in Germany after days of being stuck in Budapest, Hungary, without enough food, water, sanitation, or shelter. Many hope that their arrival in Western Europe will end their long and desperate escape from war, terrorism, and crushing poverty back in their home countries. They have traveled so far, and yet they still have a long way to go. This humanitarian crisis far from over.

The United States estimates 2,000 new migrants arrive in Hungary each and every day. A tsunami of humanity not seen in Europe in decades. This is the largest wave of migrants in Budapest. They thought they were going to be getting on trains to carry them to the Austrian border, when they discovered the trains were going elsewhere, the migrants got off to make the journey on foot. A cold rain there hitting Hungary likely to greet them as they walk the final steps into Austria.

CNN's senior international correspondent Fredrick Pleitgen is there.

Fredrick, you have been sending unbelievable images from where you are, and the faces of these people. Are they getting the kind of help, the kind of assurances that they're going to go someplace safe?

FRED PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think at this point of time, they do feel they have those assurances. But you are absolutely right. There are still are refugees pouring into this place. This is a very small town called nickel store. It is on the border between Hungary and Austria.

And Deb, I just want to show you the scene here as of right here because night has fallen here in Austria right now. It is very, very cold here. It's been raining for the better part of a day. And as you can see, the people here are really trying to get comfortable, trying to stay warm in any way they can. Many of them have small children with them.

I have to say the local population here in Nickel store has done an amazing job. They heard that the Hungarians had put these people on buses at 5:00 a.m. this morning, and they really unleashed an unbelievable aid donation drive. You can see over there they've set up a makeshift city where people could get water, people can get food, people can get medical attention, people can get clothing, and that is something that is very, very important.

But I'll tell you one thing, Deborah, the most important thing, I think, to the refugees who come here to Austria who make it here, is that when they come here, they get greeted by the population here with a smile, and the people here mingle with them. They introduce them to their families, and it really shows them that they've arrived here in Western Europe, and can then put on their journey and try to move forward.

Again, this is the first railway station in Austria, and for many of them, the journey is going to continue, first of all, to the Austria capital of Vienna, and many of them will want to go to Germany after that, Deborah.

FEYERICK: We saw them leaving with just the clothes on their back. The fact that people are reaching out and donating belongings. So at least they're not cold. Because it's got to be so scary for them. Where do they go from where you are? What's the future for them?

PLEITGEN: Yes. You know, that's a very good question. For many of them, the immediate future will be trying to make their way further into Western Europe. Right now, people have been waiting on trains. And if we look over there, we can see back there, there's people all across that railway platform. They are waiting for some of the special trains that the Austrian railway has put in place. All these trains are free for the refugees. There's also some other trains.

Their first stop is going to be Vienna and Austria. There in Vienna, they can either apply for asylum here in Austria and be brought to temporary shelters, or they can continue to try to make their way to Munich, Germany, and apply for asylum there.

I was in Munich a couple of days ago. There's a similar center there, so people will have shelter, they will have a roof over their heads. What happens then is they start their asylum processes and the Germans or the Austrians then assign them to certain shelters for as long as that asylum process takes. And at some point, they'll be able to get apartments of their own.

It's a process that takes quite a while, Deborah, but at least they know that right now they're inside a system that is working, and that they do -- or that they can look forward to at some point really integrating into the societies that they've now come into and possibly starting a new life here in Europe.

But it is still very painful. You know, we were talking before to a man who was from Damascus and Syria, and then when we asked him whether or not he thought he would ever see his city again, he just sort of choked up and broke into tears. So I think for many of the people after this long and tough journey, for many of them, it's also sinking in that they might never see their homeland again. That's something that's very painful to them.

[15:10:02] FEYERICK: So much fear of the unknown and such a courageous journey that they're making for a better life.

Fred Pleitgen, thanks so much.

And a possible major lead in the search for escaped drug lord El Chapo. Could his son's tweet lead to his capture?

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[15:13:44] FEYERICK: Authorities are hoping that a tweet will lead them to Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman. It appears that his son may have revealed his dad's location on social media. El Chapo, as you remember, made a dramatic escape from a Mexican prison through an underground tunnel back in July. He has not been seen since.

Nick Valencia is tracking this story for us - Nick.

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NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A $5 million reward and a small army of investigators so far has not been enough to catch the world's most notorious drug trafficker. But a post on the social media account of his son may be the first clue to the whereabouts of El Chapo.

Is this the newest photo of one of the world's most wanted fugitives? Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman's son would like the world to think so. This week, posted on a twitter page believed to belong to the son of the drug cartel kingpin, this caption (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE). Comfortable here, you already know with who. Flanked by two unidentified men whose faces are covered by oversized Emojis, the photo appears to show 29-year-old Alfredo Guzman sitting at a restaurant with a man whose restaurant resembles that of his father's. It's clear from some of the comments, many hope it is him.

These men give more to Mexico than our rotten government, one user writes. Another writes, be safe, my hero. The location tag on the photo says Costa Rica. CNN contacted Costa Rican authorities who said we're aware of the picture that has surfaced, but we believe the Costa Rica they're talking about is not in our country, but a town in Mexico. There are no current investigations or operations targeting Mr. Guzman in Costa Rica.

There is a small fishing town about 30 minutes south of (INAUDIBLE) in Aloha, Mexico. Coincidentally, the same state in Mexico where El Chapo was born. A spokesman for Mexico's attorney general's office who is in-charge of the manhunt to find "El Chapo" tells CNN, we are aware of the photo. And looking into it.

Here we go. It was nearly two months ago that Mexican authorities announced El Chapo, the world's most notorious drug trafficker, escaped from Mexico's maximum security (INAUDIBLE) prison using this tunnel.

The tunnel stretches for more than a mile, carved out earth here. This modified train tracks for that mini motorcycle. You see here electricity lines. It's very difficult to breathe down here. A lot of dirt. Dust. This here for the ventilation system. Tight, tight space down here. But for a man known as El Chapo, I'm sure he had more than enough room to work with. El Chapo has been on the run ever since. With no signs of his

whereabouts. If the twitter photo actually is of the Mexican drug lord, the post is nearly as bold and brazen as his escape. The drug kingpin's son seemingly mocking authorities, showing his father hiding in plain sight.

Whether it was to brag, by a mistake, or to throw investigators off track, there's no telling if the intention was to leave that location tag on the photo, but El Chapo's son has been in the past known to brag about his lavish and opulent lifestyle. Many believe that this very well could be a photo of the world's most wanted drug trafficker.

Nick Valencia, CNN, Atlanta.

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[15:17:10] FEYERICK: And coming up, police officers across America on edge after a disturbing rash of police murders.

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[15:20:59] FEYERICK: Now to Illinois, and the latest in a manhunt for suspects in a cop killing. Right now, investigators are poring over what they call a significant piece of evidence that was recently discovered back at the crime scene where Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz was shot and killed. They're not saying what the evidence is, but they are saying that they're close to identifying suspects.

We're also learning that there's video evidence from several sources. It's now being combed through by several law enforcement agencies, again, hoping to identify the suspects. Lieutenant Gliniewicz is one of seven officers killed in the line of duty in just the past month. He's one of 24 since the beginning of the year.

CNN's Brian Todd looks for some of the officers who died and the tensions those on the job are facing right now.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz, gunned down while on patrol in Illinois. Texas sheriff's deputy Darren Goforth dies in a hail of 15 bullets. Louisiana state trooper Steven Vincent shot in the head, then taunted after stopping to help a stranded motorist. Cold-blooded murders that add to a horrified recent pattern. Seven law enforcement officers shot to death in a month. Twenty-four officers shot and killed so far this year across America.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In every instance, it's been an act of cowardice.

TODD: Though the motivation behind the attacks may be varied, the high number has prompted the attorney general to issue a strong declaration.

LORETTA LYNCH, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: The targeting of police officers is totally unacceptable. And we will continue to stand up for the safety of our officers wherever they serve.

TODD: Police union officials and law enforcement experts say several factors have formed a so-called perfect storm of hostility toward police. The string of cases with excessive force by police, like Eric Garner's death, and the killing of Walter Scott, shot in the back, have fanned the anger against cops.

Is police behavior a factor here?

RON HOSKO, LAW ENFORCEMENT LEGAL DEFENSE FUND: Police behavior is unquestionably a factor. We are in an era of cell phone video that is ubiquitous, and so mistakes, heavy handedness by the police. We can expect to be collected and retransmitted many, many times.

TODD: Police advocates say a saturation of media coverage has contributed to the spite. And they believe civil rights groups bear some responsibility. That chant from Black Lives Matter protesters this week in Minnesota angered many in law enforcement.

HOSKO: We heard the chants from black lives matter organizers or protesters just this weekend after the death of Deputy Goforth in Texas, chanting in what sounds like a pro-police attack posture.

TODD: DeRay McKesson from Black Lives Matter says the recent killings from police are upsetting but shouldn't be politicized.

DERAY MCKESSON, ACTIVIST, BLACK LIVES MATTER: The only charge rhetoric I've heard is accountability for police, to be accountable to things that happen to them.

TODD: Now police advocates say officers may be hesitant to respond strongly to threats like in one recent case in Alabama where a detective says he didn't want to be the next cop scrutinized in the media.

HOSKO: He didn't act, by his own admission, when the perpetrator bulled his way on the car, took the officer's weapon and pistol whipped him almost to death with it.

TODD: Law enforcement experts say they expect police squads to change deployment tactics and move around in teams of two or even three officers at a time. Also, responses to crime scenes may be slower, while officers wait for a second car to get there. But that may only be possible in larger cities. In smaller towns, they simply don't have the manpower. And police officers will have to continue to patrol alone. And remain vulnerable.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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FEYERICK: So, let's discuss this with two of our CNN law enforcement analysts, former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes and retired New York police department Harry Houck. Thanks gentlemen for joining us.

Let's look at this. Seven police officers in the past month, 24 so far this year. Tom, in your opinion, is this part of a pattern, a trend? Because the numbers are not higher than in past years, but perhaps the motive as to why it's happening is significantly different. Why?

[15:25:17] TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I think so. And what I'm hearing, Deb, is that the level of resistance to any police action is what has significantly increased. So now, if an officer is asking someone for their driver's license, or identification, or tells them they're under arrest, they're more likely to be engaged in an actual wrestling match. You know, physical violence, the person resists, the person argues. And that lack of compliance is not good policy. It's not good for the police. It's not good for the person who thinks he's got, you know, every right to do it. And they're hearing in the media some of these people that they can argue their constitutional rights on the street. They can argue with the police about whether they're under arrest. They don't have to comply. It's their right to not comply. That only leads to physical altercation, to violence, and then in the violence, potential danger, both to the police officer and to the subject.

And what I'm hearing is the police aren't on edge about getting killed. They're on edge about being forced to defend themselves, take someone's life in the process and then lose their career and possibly be prosecuted and go to jail. That's what they're more afraid of than even being killed.

FEYERICK: So Harry, to follow up on that point, it sounds as if people who are being stopped are being empowered to defy police officers. Whereas in the past, if somebody said show me your driver's license, you would say OK, here's my driver's license. We saw that incident in which the man simply hemmed and hawed and refused and, you know, handed out a bottle of alcohol and then was trying to make excuses. It's making policing much more complicated when somebody basically says no. What are you going to do?

HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Exactly. And that's why Tom hit the nail right on the head on this one here. The fact is that people aren't cooperating with police when they're stopped. The fact here is that we're seeing more and more of this. There's this bad information out there. People think that they don't have to give their driver's license to a police officer. They think that they don't have to get out of the car when the police officer asks them to get out of the car. And that's causing a lot more problems. And that's why we're seeing a lot more incident where is now maybe a police officer has got to take somebody out of a car. Now it turns into an altercation where somebody's significantly hurt.

FEYERICK: So Tom, it's as if the level of aggression or hostility is really being ramped up because you've got this feeling, we can defy, because right now, public sentiment may be more on the side of people, you know, who are, for example, like the Ferguson situation, all that kind of stuff.

FUENTES: I think so. And I think some of the misreporting about -- you mentioned Ferguson. Officer Wilson was 100 percent justified in taking Michael Brown's life, and yet Michael Brown has been made a national hero, you know, a founder of the movement. He's been made into a saint. It's ridiculous. He committed three violent crimes in ten minutes, two against a police officer. And 50 FBI agents and a small army of civil rights attorneys from the department of justice have said it was a completely justified shooting. And yet to this day, we still hear Michael brown was murdered in Ferguson. It wasn't true then, it's not true today. But it's still put out there as if it was true.

FEYERICK: And so, Harry, based on your experience, what happens? Is there a chilling of police officers and how they respond? Do they simply hope that by doing their job they're going to get compliance? Or it's changing the game, the dynamics.

HOUCK: I think it's changing the game that we started two police officers in the last year. One officer kept on backing up with his weapon out for a man who just killed somebody. And another officer who didn't engage and was almost killed. \

You know, police officers have to engage. That's what we have to do. It doesn't matter how bad it gets out there. You can't put yourself in danger or the lives of someone else in danger because of what's going on. What we have to do is the police departments have to find a way to combat this, to make sure that the right information gets out there to people and exactly how they can and how they can't act when they're pulled over by police. And I've never seen more anti-cop rhetoric in my entire career than I have seen now.

FEYERICK: Best hash tag I saw recently, #alllivesmatter.

Harry Houck, Tom Fuentes, we thank you both.

HOUCK: Thank you.

FUENTES: Thank you, Deb.

FEYERICK: And coming up, Europe's refugee crisis, what one senator says should the U.S. be doing. But first, this week's CNN hero.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I knew something had to change on my end to stay healthy. I would go anywhere between nine to 12 hours, all sitting at a desk. You may be working a lot, but you're at the desk sitting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How far do you think you could walk before you had to stop?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number one problem I see in my patients faces as cardiologist is a sedentary lifestyle. I was frustrated at my ineffectiveness to create change in my patients.

[15:30:08] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm fine. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, I said how about if my family goes to the

park, would you be interested in joining us.

So see you tomorrow at the walk?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The response was phenomenal.

I wanted to talk about how easy taking care of ourselves can be.

There's no better way that you can show a patient that you care about them than by going the extra mile with them. There's no wait in the office. There's no fear of bad news. It's just the patient and the physician talking about whatever the patient wants to talk about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The beginning is to walk a mile or two. By the end of the year I've completed a full marathon. I'm thinking of signing up for my second marathon. The doctor taught me you can achieve things that are really big, but it all starts with small steps.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many miles do you have in already?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 2.7.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eighty percent of cardiac disease is preventable if we just go for a walk. If people just take that first step, they will never look back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: High-five.

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[15:34:38] FEYERICK: And back to our top stories. Thousands of migrants and refugees from the Middle East and other troubled parts of the world are slowly making their way to Western Europe one step at a time. Many are making the journey by foot after failing to get aboard trains out of Budapest, Hungary. But others are arriving in Austria and then Germany, where they hope to start new lives. At least one U.S. senator says the United States should help ease the crisis.

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[15:35:04] SEN. AMY JEAN KLOBUCHAR (D), MINNESOTA: I think everyone has to share in the solution. Certainly Europe must take the lead because of their proximity. But also, the U.S. has really only taken less than 1,000 refugees and that's why before this current crisis erupted, Senator Durbin and myself, we led a letter of 14 senators asking the state department to take in more refugees to our country, obviously, spread out across the country, vetted legal refugees.

(END VIDEO CLIP) FEYERICK: And human rights groups are criticizing the handling of the influx of exhausted, hungry refugees attempting to get into Europe. My country that will take them. For example, France now making it easier to deport those who are seeking asylum. The Netherlands is about to tighten its rules on who it will accept. And in the U.S., Republicans in Congress say no more refugees should be taken in because of what they call an increased risk of terror.

Joining me once again is CNN's global affairs analyst Kimberly Dozier and CNN intelligence and security analyst Bob Baer. Thank you both so much.

Kimberly, quickly, you know, when we think about the European countries, everyone watched what was going on in Syria, but it seemed that nobody could really come to terms with the fact that they needed to figure out some sort of better asylum policy. So now they're kind of stuck.

DOZIER: You're absolutely right. No one seemed to anticipate this wave, even as human rights organizations like the red cross have been reporting that systems, medical systems, water systems have been breaking down inside Syria, such that people are desperately fleeing just to be able to eat, to be able to live. And you've got four million refugees already registered with the U.N. who are outside Syria. This flood's going to continue.

FEYERICK: Yes. We're talking about almost a million refugees that are coming in to Europe.

And Bob, there's not a lot of welcome to go around in Europe, or the U.S. the argument is that people from Syria, ISIS members, or those terrorists possibly from Libya could potentially slip in under the guise or under the cover of this mass migration. Is that a real threat?

BAER: I think it's a real threat. Any time you have this number of people coming across the biggest migration since World War II, people are coming from conflict areas across Africa, across the Middle East. Bring their politics with them. And what we've seen from this, these last couple days is how easy it is to get into Europe. And if it's easy to get people across the border, it's easy to get explosives and weapons and the rest of it, and what has a lot of Europeans concerned is they will bring their conflict.

And secondly, I have to say, where does this all end? There are 60 million refugees from the Middle East and Africa that have been displaced. I mean, Europe cannot take 60 million, and if the conflict gets worse in the Middle East, there has to be some engagement in these conflicts to slow this down. And we have to do this sooner rather than later.

FEYERICK: And the interesting thing is even though the EU, the European Union is united, there's really no comprehensive migration or refugee policy.

Kimberly, the Hungarian prime minister, he's basically saying even though he let some people transit into Austria, that he's going to set up the military at the border. How will that also affect how these people come in?

DOZIER: Well, the problem with the EU policy is that it dictates that European Union countries are supposed to be registering and then giving asylum to the refugees at their first port of entry. So that would be really unfair to countries on the front line, like Italy and Greece. So they're letting these refugees pass through. They're now screening them. They're not determining whether they're an economic migrant, or a person fleeing from war, which then means they have to legally give them refuge. So the European Union has had several crisis meetings on this, but just like the Greek financial crisis, they don't seem to be really good at coming to a swift resolution on a top problem.

FEYERICK: Bob, very, very quickly, how quickly does this situation normalize, if ever?

BAER: It's not going to normalize. You look at the conflict in Yemen, we are talking about millions more immigrants are going to potentially head towards Europe. I just don't see an end to this. And the closer we get to a coherent, logical policy, the better.

FEYERICK: All right. Thank you so much Kimberly Dozier, Bob Baer. We appreciate your insights, as always.

DOZIER: Thank you.

FEYERICK: And powerful images of people at their most desperate. Each photograph tells more of the migrant crisis in Europe. We'll talk to the man behind these powerful photos, next.

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[15:43:38] FEYERICK: We want to turn our attention back to the refugee crisis in Europe, something not seen since World War II. Travel writer and photographer Eric Berry was vacationing in Budapest, Hungary, when thousands of migrants were suddenly stopped from boarding trains to Western Europe. Not sure what to do, he went to the train station to document what he saw, and he ended up capturing haunting images of the human calamity as it unfolded.

Eric joins us now from Denmark. Thank you so much, Eric. Looking at these photographs, what did you feel? What did you hear? What did you experience as you started snapping your camera?

ERIC BERRY, PHOTOGRAPHER (on the phone): Well, you know, Deborah, it was heartbreaking to see, you know, thousands of people outside of the Calais railway station, you know, children, you know, mothers, and fathers, just kind of stuck with nowhere to go. No sense of hope. It was really a heartbreaking and devastating thing to sort of witness.

FEYERICK: You know, I want to ask you about two images in particular. One is of a little girl holding a sign reading "help us." What can you tell us about this photo? BERRY: Yes. So that was taken yesterday morning before the march

started towards Austria. And you know, there was a circle of children outside holding signs, asking for help. And, you know, those pictures were followed by chants of Mama Merkel. The children were all chanting "Mama Merkel, Mama Merkel," of course, you know, referencing the German chancellor and her efforts to sort of give them asylum.

It's hard to see children being stripped of their innocence. And, you know, being -- sleeping outside of a railway station underground, and without food. It was really hard to see. But, you know, I'm just not sure -- I wasn't sure what I could do.

[15:45:31] FEYERICK: Right.

BERRY: Besides take photographs and share them with other people, so that's what I did. Put them on social media and send them out so people could get an idea of what was happening in Budapest and throughout Europe.

FEYERICK: But by sharing those photographs, you humanize the situation, and I think in a way, I think most people simply didn't understand how bad it is. UNICEF is saying that one in four of those seeking refuge in Europe are, in fact, children. And there was a very dramatic photo of a little boy, Aylan Kurdi, whose body washed up on shore as he and his family tried to seek safety.

Your pictures no less powerful because of the fact you're looking at those who are so desperate that they would rather leave everything behind to start fresh, to start anew. Tell us about that.

BERRY: Well, you know, the thing is, we're all people at the end of the day. It doesn't matter if you're Christian or Muslim or Buddhist, or black or white. At the end of the day, we're all people, we're all human beings. And I think when we talk about news, we talk about conflicts, it's sort of a big picture thing and we really don't focus on the individuals and the people that these crises are affecting. So what I wanted to do was to go to the train station and find people, find children, find mothers and fathers and photograph them and speak with them to sort of put a face on the crisis. And let people see who these refugees are.

FEYERICK: Well, you know what, you certainly did that. This is not a crisis that is going to end quickly, and clearly a lot of countries figuring out what their responsibility is to at least give these people hope so they can escape the terrible conditions from which they have come.

Eric Berry, thank you so much for your powerful, powerful work. We really appreciate it.

BERRY: Thank you, Deborah.

FEYERICK: Of course.

And more moving photographs that you'll never forget. How some images have changed the world, coming up just a little later. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[15:51:41] FEYERICK: Hillary Clinton trying to campaign for president in New Hampshire today, but she's getting hit again with new revelations about the email scandal. Making headlines today, allegations that she and Bill Clinton personally paid a state department staffer to maintain the private email server Clinton used while secretary of state.

Let's bring in CNN national correspondent Sunlen Serfaty in New Hampshire. She cannot get away from this issue as she tries to campaign. How is she responding?

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Deb. She can't get away from it and really every time these new details, these new developments and story come out, the attention shifts from what the Clinton campaign wants to be talking about and really puts the focus and the attention right back to this controversy. So these new revelations today that Hillary and Bill Clinton paid from out of their own pocket and their own money, a state department employee for maintaining their private email server. And today, again, here in Portsmouth, this event was supposed to be talking about women's issues but Clinton again was on the defense about this story.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have encouraged everyone to cooperate. I feel strongly that, you know, the facts are the facts and we have been repeating them over and over again. We will continue to do so and I would very much urge anybody who is asked to cooperate to do so. With respect to personal services that he provided to me and my family, we obviously paid for those services and did so because during a period of time we continue to need his technical assistance and I think that's in the public record.

SERFATY: And note there that Clinton made note that this week it was revealed that Ryan Pagliano will plead the fifth next week when he is on Capitol Hill to discuss his involvement in this case. Now, the Clinton campaign Deb, they do confirm that they say it was set up because no taxpayer money they said wanted to be involved and spent on maintaining the server and they do confirm this afternoon, Deb, that he is no longer being paid -- Deb.

FEYERICK: All right. He just doesn't want to testify, he set up the private email and maintained it. Interesting choice of someone to do that for them.

Sunlen, thanks so much. We'll be right back in a moment.

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[15:57:46] FEYERICK: Well, every now and then you see an image that really sticks with you. You just feel it. Like the young man stopping the tanks at Tiananmen Square.

CNN's Tom Foreman looks back at the images that have helped change the world.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Look at photographs that have changed our perception of the world. The unleashed power of nuclear weapons. A migrant family caught in the dust bowl. A single Afghan refugee who seemed to be the face of millions. She was found again by the photographer 17 years after his shutter clicked.

STEVE MCCURRY, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC PHOTOGRAPHER: She had never been photographed before then and has never been photographed since. She looked at the picture and being illiterate, not familiar with magazines and newspapers in general was a little bit indifferent. She didn't know quite what to make of it.

FOREMAN: In 1930, long after the worst days of lynchings, this photo from Indiana spurred an uproar as proof that brutal racism was not a thing of the past, and it pairs with this one from 1957 of angry whites shouting at one of the first black students at a formerly white high school in Arkansas.

Protests have produced some of the most enduring images. In 1989, after a massacre by Chinese troops in Tiananmen Square, one man squared off against a line of tanks. His identity has never been known. His brave stand, never forgotten.

Pictures of war have had immense impact from the birth of photography. The civil war, World War I, World War II. In Vietnam, modern media gave them even more power, a monk setting himself ablaze. A Vietcong assassin being executed by a South Vietnamese officer. A 9-year-old girl running from Nepal. She spoke many years later about that haunting scene.

KIM PITUC, ANGUISHED GIRL IN PHOTOGRAPHED: It's my message to people when they see that picture, try not see her as crying out in pain, in fear, and try not to see her as a symbol of war, but try to see her as a symbol for peace.